Re: heroin

[bigG]

If the argument is someone needs to be fully taxed to get public money.  Well then you might as well disqualify everyone who gets public money.   I take no offence to your statement g I don't want "public" money.  I do want parents to have a choice.   They can pick what is important to them.   How many public schools pay property taxes or corporate taxes?   I could show you churches that pay more state propery taxes than public schools.   I get that education is a public service.  Even private institutions are providing a public service.   They are not running the public schools out of business.  They just don't subscribe to the big box view of education.  

Not someone, but an institution that profits. There are few churches I know of that are non-profit. They sell a good. Many use that profit to do good things, so do other businesses. This is why those businesses have been able to dip into Public, Voucher and Charter school waters. They profit, pay taxes and throw some money in the school's direction.

I don't think they are running public schools out of business. I think many of what we call "non-profits" are businesses and should be treated as such. If you want the product of the church sold along with the public money, pay the taxes like any other business.

Public schools don't profit from anything but public sector money. They do not sell anything. I would argue most churches sell unity, a connection with God, answers to questions many don't understand, among other things. I've seen some pretty decked out churches with some pretty nice schools attached, with no public money.

If the church affiliated school does take public money, then that should pay the taxes like any other business. I think all churches that take in money should pay taxes on it; including mine. Not trying to offend; but I guess that's my take.

If parents want the religion part added, they can go public and do the religion part separately (like mine did) or pay to have it all included in the education of their kids. Otherwise, it's like having the government pay a business that's non-profit. They probably already do. I'd hate to see that happen in education.

I think most of the public schools in my area are in the apparel business.  They sell those and they sell Friday night entertainment which is a bargain for the most part.

The Friday night entertainment is mostly WIAA money. Apparel is the fund raiser needed to supplement the money missing that the state used to provide. Most people I know these days don't want the job of head coach because of the inherent fundraisers that come with it. WIAA is private. I don't know their tax status, though. Maybe they should have their own school, too. Love to see them lose a little steam, too.

Personally, I'm sick of fundraisers. I have my kids in the school and my own kids. I buy more crap than I have money for.

[Handles II]

No handles maybe you just misunderstood.  Now you know.   I said that there are public records (or books).   that is what I said.  I was making a point that they don't put line items for where public schools give money to other private organizations.  Like let's say the WIAA.  

Two completely different things MarkK. Schools can choose to join the WIAA or not. They can choose to hire a private firm to plow the parking lot. They don't get to choose if they give money to to the private schools. Understand now? The taxpayers should be able to see on their tax form how much money goes to private schools since it is law and not an option. And you were talking about line items. It's highlighted. Read what you wrote, or go back an edit if you like. 

[ramjet]

The tax money should follow the child wherever they choose to go to school in a Wisconsin just like college choose where you want to go competition is good.

[Handles II]

The tax money should follow the child wherever they choose to go to school in a Wisconsin just like college choose where you want to go competition is good.

Property tax money doesn't follow a student to college. Private colleges do not recieve property tax money to fund food, transportation, books, technology.
Think before you write.

[maggie]

they do in petticoat junction and Hooterville  Handles 

[DrSnide]

The tax money should follow the child wherever they choose to go to school in a Wisconsin just like college choose where you want to go competition is good.

Property tax money doesn't follow a student to college. Private colleges do not receive property tax money to fund food, transportation, books, technology.
Think before you write.

they do receive government subsidized student loan and grants however....

[maggie]

THERE YA GO...

[MarkK]

No handles maybe you just misunderstood.  Now you know.   I said that there are public records (or books).   that is what I said.  I was making a point that they don't put line items for where public schools give money to other private organizations.  Like let's say the WIAA.  

Two completely different things MarkK. Schools can choose to join the WIAA or not. They can choose to hire a private firm to plow the parking lot. They don't get to choose if they give money to to the private schools. Understand now? The taxpayers should be able to see on their tax form how much money goes to private schools since it is law and not an option. And you were talking about line items. It's highlighted. Read what you wrote, or go back an edit if you like. 

I don't edit what makes perfect sense to sensible people.

[dman]

Did we every hear from MNbadger on who said private was better than public??

[Handles II]

No handles maybe you just misunderstood.  Now you know.   I said that there are public records (or books).   that is what I said.  I was making a point that they don't put line items for where public schools give money to other private organizations.  Like let's say the WIAA.  

Two completely different things MarkK. Schools can choose to join the WIAA or not. They can choose to hire a private firm to plow the parking lot. They don't get to choose if they give money to to the private schools. Understand now? The taxpayers should be able to see on their tax form how much money goes to private schools since it is law and not an option. And you were talking about line items. It's highlighted. Read what you wrote, or go back an edit if you like. 

I don't edit what makes perfect sense to sensible people.

And what would make perfect sense is to have the private school funding on a line item for all to see. Why do you have an issue with that?

[Todd]

The main factor holding down the costs to society of these drugs IS that they are illegal and not mainstream. Even pot.
A friend was making the drunk driving vs. stoned driving argument and how much worse alcohol is, therefore pot should be legal.
I said "If pot was as legal and socially acceptable as alcohol, people would be driving to and from places like bars, restaurants, football games, etc and that number would shoot right up to match alcohol".
He sat for a moment and said "yeah, I guess I never thought about how far people drive to use alcohol. If they use at home they generally stay at home just like with pot".

I'm not against thc as a drug as it can have some redeaming medical properties, however since it's already legal in perscription form and has been since 1985, those who just want it to stoned need to say so and quit hiding behind the medical part of it.

Thank god that those other drugs are illegal and they need to stay that way. Opiods are perscribed far far to often and given in way too large of quantities, as are many antidepressents.

The one that goes under the radar a lot (my guess is because so many middle aged white ladies use it) is Benzodiazapine antidepressants like Xanax and Valium. Talk about a highly addictive drug with a really bad withdraw - possibly the worst of all of these and can kill you.  Nasty, Nasty addictive potential. 

I know a few Xanax people. One gal says it "stops the shakes inside her."

I'll stick with water.

There are some strange antidepressants out there. Wish I knew more about them.

Benzo's that are used to treat anxiety, not depression here at the VA and yes, Benzo's are abused.  The drugs include diazepam (Valium), lorazepam (Ativan), clonazepam (Klonopin), and alprazolam (Xanax).

For anti-depresants, we've had pretty good results treating depression with Buproprion (Welburtrin).

[Todd]

I understand and agree with the specialist vs the general practitioner...but this is a problem with our health care that increases the cost so drastically....you don't get to see one or the other....you have to see both.  Why does the general practitioner have to be seen before my wife goes to the gynecologist?  You know how many times my our family doctor had to see my son before he could be seen by different specialist?  It's crazy....with technology doctors can look at medical records pretty easy....this should eliminate the extra visits but it doesn't.

In the area of mental health it is pretty standard protocol to try and rule out whether the issue is medically based.  i.e. Hypothyroidism vs. eating disorder.  So you have a general medical exam to rule things out.

[Todd]

I haven't disappeared.  You (and others?) missed the point.  You are on here going crazy about heroin. The likelihood of you, your son, daughter, brother, sister, friend, etc. getting hooked on and somehow injured, killed, etc. by the effects heroin as compared to the effects of alcohol is infinitesimal.  We don't want to look at alcohol because we like it and we are used to using it.  Heroin is a lot of work.  By sheer numbers/dollars there is no comparison.
I don't remember who asked would you rather your son or daughter used alcohol, heroin, or marijuana.  Yes, heroin is worse in this comparison.  I would prefer they chose the weed (I am drug free, only used alcohol but haven't for over 25 years).
I have innumerable stories of tragedy with immediate family, extended family, students and their families, athletes and their families in regard to alcohol.  None to date in regard to heroin.
I disappear on here because no matter the subject or debate, too many on here ignore facts and believe what they believe regardless of facts.

Thanks for calling on me though!

I still can't tell are you calling for the prohibition of alcohol or the legalization of THC?

[bigoil]

Essentially, yes hound, that is how it works and it is federal law put in place for various reasons, but generally to allow for private schools to compete with public schools which they couldn't do without public money. Paying for tuition is a much newer aspect and varies by state.

Maggie,

Is this putting words in handles mouth? I want to know which law takes my property taxes to the private school? I've asked about four times now.

[Todd]

Well Handles then with your line of thinking what should people who have no children and pay property taxes say about fairness? 

So it's the ME mentality and you don't think that as a community we have a stake in the education of children regardless of whether you have any?  What a nice attitude to have.