Badgers at NCAAs

[vsmf2010]

I have not seen anyone mention Braeden Scoles on this recent string in regard to top notch WI talent. He has been near the top of my wish list of WI kids for a while. Does anyone know what his plans are? I remember a picture of him taking a visit with 2 other recruits who ended up committing. I do not remember for sure who was in the picture but it was Scoles with some combination of Clark, Rowley and Bobzien.

Yah. He's right up there. I just didn't think he was quite at the level of Sinclair, Whiting or Hopke. He would be a great pick up either way.

If you believe Flo he is right there.

Flo Weight Class Rank

Scoles - #6
Sinclair - #14
Whiting - #1
Hopke - #4

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Stating Academics is a reason why UW isn't getting WI recruits is not only a weak, weak excuse but it is an insult to insinuate that those who elect not to go to UW that they are not smart enough. 

Stop drinking the badger kool-aid and accept the fact that not everyone wants to go the Madison.  That is fine and I hope they succeed wherever they go.

Recruitment overall has actually been great.

Now tell me why WI ranked #60 in the tourney in placement related to seeding while UNC, NW, Princeton, Penn, and Cornell were all in the top 15?  Seems like all those tough academic schools are getting the best out of their recruits. 

What NW did this year to get all 10 in the tourney and finish top 6 overall while doing it within one year of losing a top recruit and assistant coaches is simply amazing.  Oh, and NW did it without getting a single point in the tourney from a transfer.  NW has a 9% acceptance rate and 33-35 ACT range by the way.

[bigoil]

It's not an excuse and it is a fact. It is also a rigorous academic institution that isn't for all athletes or students. An athletic career is very stressful on academics, the hours they put into training and travel are immense.

Also, UW is a large university, that's not for every student athlete.

There are many student athletes that choose not to go to UW both from WI and not from WI but to essentially say Bono needs to do an Alvarez and put a fence around WI wrestlers, that just isn't possible. Some don't want to go to UW and others may not get in.

[madeyson]

I have not seen anyone mention Braeden Scoles on this recent string in regard to top notch WI talent. He has been near the top of my wish list of WI kids for a while. Does anyone know what his plans are? I remember a picture of him taking a visit with 2 other recruits who ended up committing. I do not remember for sure who was in the picture but it was Scoles with some combination of Clark, Rowley and Bobzien.

Yah. He's right up there. I just didn't think he was quite at the level of Sinclair, Whiting or Hopke. He would be a great pick up either way.

If you believe Flo he is right there.

Flo Weight Class Rank

Scoles - #6
Sinclair - #14
Whiting - #1
Hopke - #4

To further support, rankings from MatScouts
Scoles - #9
Whiting - #5
Sinclair - #23
Hopke - #7

Rowley - #4

[wrastle63]

Stating Academics is a reason why UW isn't getting WI recruits is not only a weak, weak excuse but it is an insult to insinuate that those who elect not to go to UW that they are not smart enough. 

Stop drinking the badger kool-aid and accept the fact that not everyone wants to go the Madison.  That is fine and I hope they succeed wherever they go.

Recruitment overall has actually been great.

Now tell me why WI ranked #60 in the tourney in placement related to seeding while UNC, NW, Princeton, Penn, and Cornell were all in the top 15?  Seems like all those tough academic schools are getting the best out of their recruits.

What NW did this year to get all 10 in the tourney and finish top 6 overall while doing it within one year of losing a top recruit and assistant coaches is simply amazing.  Oh, and NW did it without getting a single point in the tourney from a transfer.  NW has a 9% acceptance rate and 33-35 ACT range by the way.

That is a big negative from the tournament. While our 3 AAs did very well and wrestled basically to seed the rest of our team did not. They even wrestled lower than seed in most weights. UNC had 15 seed Clarke make finals, NW had DeAugstino place 4th after being seeded 10 with Yahyah, Cannon, and Davison all outplacing their seed, Princeton had 2 in the finals which was unexpected, and Penn had Composto AA out of 12 seed.

[vsmf2010]

Stating Academics is a reason why UW isn't getting WI recruits is not only a weak, weak excuse but it is an insult to insinuate that those who elect not to go to UW that they are not smart enough. 

Stop drinking the badger kool-aid and accept the fact that not everyone wants to go the Madison.  That is fine and I hope they succeed wherever they go.

Recruitment overall has actually been great.

Now tell me why WI ranked #60 in the tourney in placement related to seeding while UNC, NW, Princeton, Penn, and Cornell were all in the top 15?  Seems like all those tough academic schools are getting the best out of their recruits.

What NW did this year to get all 10 in the tourney and finish top 6 overall while doing it within one year of losing a top recruit and assistant coaches is simply amazing.  Oh, and NW did it without getting a single point in the tourney from a transfer.  NW has a 9% acceptance rate and 33-35 ACT range by the way.

That is a big negative from the tournament. While our 3 AAs did very well and wrestled basically to seed the rest of our team did not. They even wrestled lower than seed in most weights. UNC had 15 seed Clarke make finals, NW had DeAugstino place 4th after being seeded 10 with Yahyah, Cannon, and Davison all outplacing their seed, Princeton had 2 in the finals which was unexpected, and Penn had Composto AA out of 12 seed.

If you dig into this. Of the 6 that were not AA's, 4 wrestled to their seed, 1 wrestled above their seed and 1 wrestled below their seed.

125  - EB wrestled 1 spot below his seed but did get a bit of a bad break with how the back shook out with Arujau, McKee and EB all on the same side. They all one their placement matches and you cold make a case that they were the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best guys
133 – KB wrestled to his seed
141 – JZ wrestled above his seed
149 – AG wrestled 1 spot below his seed and you could make the case that his ceiling was #2 with Yianni sitting there so there was not a ton of room for him certainly could have finished 2nd or 3rd but he ended up 4th
157 – GM wrestled to his seed – did not get a kind draw with the 6th seed on the front and an NCAA champ in this first match on the back
165 – DJ wrestled 2 spots below his seed but he was definitely injured and if healthy I think he wins the consi semi and wrestles to or above his seed
184 – CW wrestled to his seed
197 – BA wrestled to his seed
HWT – TH wrestled below his seed

[Brncrzy189]

Peyton Mocco valedictorian at West Allis Nathan Hale.

University of Northern Iowa admissions is selective with an acceptance rate of 79%; ACT Composite: 20–26.


Wisconsin admissions is selective with an acceptance rate of 54%. Students that get into Wisconsin have an average ACT score of 27-32

NOT EVERY STUDENT ATHLETE IS GETTING INTO UW.

Does anyone know Parker Keckeisen's ACT or Grade Point Average? If they do, please don't share on this forum, it was a rhetorical question, but UNI was a SINGLE example because of ONE kid who we lost to them who's now excelling.

I also know for a fact there have been several highly recruited kids from Wisconsin who easily had the grades to get into the School who never received so much as a phone call from the Badgers(in fact...at least one got into a much more difficult school).

I also remember one of the Wisconsin Wrestlers was a class valedictorian. I don't recall if that was Keckisen or O'Toole or Buchanan.

Either way...not blaming the current Badgers coaches. Not blaming Bono for not getting Wrestlers who committed before he was even hired.


Simply said it'd be a good idea to get guys like Rivera, like Grayson Clark, like Koy Hopke, like Austin Sinclair...like Charlie Milard, the Mirasola kids.

Now can someone please tell me why the first reaction to that is a list of excuses and arguments, disagreements, pointing out outliers like Destin McCauley or whomever?

I'm clearly just not that bright, wouldn't get into Madison and I'm missing something. I know I said I'd stop, but I desperately need to know why that's an issue that ANYONE would even argue with? You'd think on a board with both Badgers fans and Wisconsin Wrestling fans people would be excited we've got some truly elite Wrestlers coming up and we'd want them to Wrestle in Wisconsin rather than the dozen other schools that has produced Wisconsin All American's in the last ~20 years.

So explain it to me like I'm a child. Why is that an objectionable statement? Is it because people think I'm attacking the Badgers? I'm not. Most of the kids Wrestling right now committed before Bono even had a job(as I've said).

Do they simply not want to set themselves up for disappointment? We're almost certainly not going to get all of them(should still make an effort though).

[Keaton Kluever]

It is hard to keep all in state kids.  I don't know how other states do.  I think there were 14 MN natives in the tournament, 6 were Gophers.  Not all of them fit.
If you have O'Toole, you likely don't get Hamiti.  You might want to trade now but hind sight is 20/20.
The same for Buchanan. If you had him, you'd likely not get Amos who was a kid everyone wanted.  This is hard to understand when PSU just keeps stockpiling talent deeper and deeper.  To be honest, I don't care for the mechanism that makes for that reality but it is what it is. 

They'll only get over the hump if they can keep the top in state kids. I saw 3 WI natives take 1st, 3rd, and 3rd at NCAAs and none of them wrestled for Badgers. Bono is doing a good job but it's tough when you're up against Askren seemingly (I'm not 100% sure) steering top kids toward MO and tough admission standards for in state kids.

Next year MO will have O'Toole, Mocco, and Whiting.

Otoole, Keckeisen, Mocco and Buchanan were available before Hamiti and Amos so we missed them either way. How about Whiting? Glad we got Rivera. Hopefully we can keep Hopke too.

You also have to think about Mocco and Stephen. Especially Stephen do you really think Amos wouldn't have been pursued even with Stephen there? Amos was the number 1 recruit so either way you're going to end up mad. Because either stephen doesn't get his shot and you never see his potential or you would look at Amos as a waste of scholorship. You can't have it both ways. Would they not recruit the kent state kid at 74 if you had Mocco? He was top 10 in the country coming into this year I guarantee most coaches would and then that leaves Mocco not having a shot. College wrestling isn't a science, you have to put faith and time into kids and sometimes they go their seperate ways.

[wrastle63]

Stating Academics is a reason why UW isn't getting WI recruits is not only a weak, weak excuse but it is an insult to insinuate that those who elect not to go to UW that they are not smart enough. 

Stop drinking the badger kool-aid and accept the fact that not everyone wants to go the Madison.  That is fine and I hope they succeed wherever they go.

Recruitment overall has actually been great.

Now tell me why WI ranked #60 in the tourney in placement related to seeding while UNC, NW, Princeton, Penn, and Cornell were all in the top 15?  Seems like all those tough academic schools are getting the best out of their recruits.

What NW did this year to get all 10 in the tourney and finish top 6 overall while doing it within one year of losing a top recruit and assistant coaches is simply amazing.  Oh, and NW did it without getting a single point in the tourney from a transfer.  NW has a 9% acceptance rate and 33-35 ACT range by the way.

That is a big negative from the tournament. While our 3 AAs did very well and wrestled basically to seed the rest of our team did not. They even wrestled lower than seed in most weights. UNC had 15 seed Clarke make finals, NW had DeAugstino place 4th after being seeded 10 with Yahyah, Cannon, and Davison all outplacing their seed, Princeton had 2 in the finals which was unexpected, and Penn had Composto AA out of 12 seed.

If you dig into this. Of the 6 that were not AA's, 4 wrestled to their seed, 1 wrestled above their seed and 1 wrestled below their seed.

125  - EB wrestled 1 spot below his seed but did get a bit of a bad break with how the back shook out with Arujau, McKee and EB all on the same side. They all one their placement matches and you cold make a case that they were the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best guys
133 – KB wrestled to his seed
141 – JZ wrestled above his seed
149 – AG wrestled 1 spot below his seed and you could make the case that his ceiling was #2 with Yianni sitting there so there was not a ton of room for him certainly could have finished 2nd or 3rd but he ended up 4th
157 – GM wrestled to his seed – did not get a kind draw with the 6th seed on the front and an NCAA champ in this first match on the back
165 – DJ wrestled 2 spots below his seed but he was definitely injured and if healthy I think he wins the consi semi and wrestles to or above his seed
184 – CW wrestled to his seed
197 – BA wrestled to his seed
HWT – TH wrestled below his seed

So basically every one below their seeds which is exactly the problem. Zargo is the only one who beat his seed and he only beat the #22 guy. Not a negative on him as he wrestled Matthews extremely tough.

[vsmf2010]

Stating Academics is a reason why UW isn't getting WI recruits is not only a weak, weak excuse but it is an insult to insinuate that those who elect not to go to UW that they are not smart enough. 

Stop drinking the badger kool-aid and accept the fact that not everyone wants to go the Madison.  That is fine and I hope they succeed wherever they go.

Recruitment overall has actually been great.

Now tell me why WI ranked #60 in the tourney in placement related to seeding while UNC, NW, Princeton, Penn, and Cornell were all in the top 15?  Seems like all those tough academic schools are getting the best out of their recruits.

What NW did this year to get all 10 in the tourney and finish top 6 overall while doing it within one year of losing a top recruit and assistant coaches is simply amazing.  Oh, and NW did it without getting a single point in the tourney from a transfer.  NW has a 9% acceptance rate and 33-35 ACT range by the way.

That is a big negative from the tournament. While our 3 AAs did very well and wrestled basically to seed the rest of our team did not. They even wrestled lower than seed in most weights. UNC had 15 seed Clarke make finals, NW had DeAugstino place 4th after being seeded 10 with Yahyah, Cannon, and Davison all outplacing their seed, Princeton had 2 in the finals which was unexpected, and Penn had Composto AA out of 12 seed.

If you dig into this. Of the 6 that were not AA's, 4 wrestled to their seed, 1 wrestled above their seed and 1 wrestled below their seed.

125  - EB wrestled 1 spot below his seed but did get a bit of a bad break with how the back shook out with Arujau, McKee and EB all on the same side. They all one their placement matches and you cold make a case that they were the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best guys
133 – KB wrestled to his seed
141 – JZ wrestled above his seed
149 – AG wrestled 1 spot below his seed and you could make the case that his ceiling was #2 with Yianni sitting there so there was not a ton of room for him certainly could have finished 2nd or 3rd but he ended up 4th
157 – GM wrestled to his seed – did not get a kind draw with the 6th seed on the front and an NCAA champ in this first match on the back
165 – DJ wrestled 2 spots below his seed but he was definitely injured and if healthy I think he wins the consi semi and wrestles to or above his seed
184 – CW wrestled to his seed
197 – BA wrestled to his seed
HWT – TH wrestled below his seed

So basically every one below their seeds which is exactly the problem. Zargo is the only one who beat his seed and he only beat the #22 guy. Not a negative on him as he wrestled Matthews extremely tough.

No Burwick, Model, Weiler and Amos wrestled to their seed not below their seed.

[wrastle63]

Stating Academics is a reason why UW isn't getting WI recruits is not only a weak, weak excuse but it is an insult to insinuate that those who elect not to go to UW that they are not smart enough. 

Stop drinking the badger kool-aid and accept the fact that not everyone wants to go the Madison.  That is fine and I hope they succeed wherever they go.

Recruitment overall has actually been great.

Now tell me why WI ranked #60 in the tourney in placement related to seeding while UNC, NW, Princeton, Penn, and Cornell were all in the top 15?  Seems like all those tough academic schools are getting the best out of their recruits.

What NW did this year to get all 10 in the tourney and finish top 6 overall while doing it within one year of losing a top recruit and assistant coaches is simply amazing.  Oh, and NW did it without getting a single point in the tourney from a transfer.  NW has a 9% acceptance rate and 33-35 ACT range by the way.

That is a big negative from the tournament. While our 3 AAs did very well and wrestled basically to seed the rest of our team did not. They even wrestled lower than seed in most weights. UNC had 15 seed Clarke make finals, NW had DeAugstino place 4th after being seeded 10 with Yahyah, Cannon, and Davison all outplacing their seed, Princeton had 2 in the finals which was unexpected, and Penn had Composto AA out of 12 seed.

If you dig into this. Of the 6 that were not AA's, 4 wrestled to their seed, 1 wrestled above their seed and 1 wrestled below their seed.

125  - EB wrestled 1 spot below his seed but did get a bit of a bad break with how the back shook out with Arujau, McKee and EB all on the same side. They all one their placement matches and you cold make a case that they were the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best guys
133 – KB wrestled to his seed
141 – JZ wrestled above his seed
149 – AG wrestled 1 spot below his seed and you could make the case that his ceiling was #2 with Yianni sitting there so there was not a ton of room for him certainly could have finished 2nd or 3rd but he ended up 4th
157 – GM wrestled to his seed – did not get a kind draw with the 6th seed on the front and an NCAA champ in this first match on the back
165 – DJ wrestled 2 spots below his seed but he was definitely injured and if healthy I think he wins the consi semi and wrestles to or above his seed
184 – CW wrestled to his seed
197 – BA wrestled to his seed
HWT – TH wrestled below his seed

So basically every one below their seeds which is exactly the problem. Zargo is the only one who beat his seed and he only beat the #22 guy. Not a negative on him as he wrestled Matthews extremely tough.

No Burwick, Model, Weiler and Amos wrestled to their seed not below their seed.

1 out of 9 wrestlers wrestled marginally above their seed.

[Ghetto]

I am one to complain. I admit it.

Did I want to see the Badgers wrestle above their heads and win some matches they didn't, yep. All day.

Amos was in on a leg and had it in the air for what seemed like hours. Couldn't finish that. Probably the difference in the match. Same with the match with Caffey. Got in deep and couldn't finish. He was very close and the margin is razor thin.

Zargo, IMO, was one choke away from winning a match that changes his position.

My point is that every match has a very small margin for error and they came up on the wrong side. It could easily have gone the other way.

We tend to dwell on the negatives on the forum, but we had a Big Ten Champion in Gomez. He's so fun to watch. Because he's a big move guy there are times that things are not gonna go his way. I wish he would've just finished a single vs. Andonian because then it's him in the finals, but he's gonna do big things because that's who he is.

Hamiti is the freshman of the year. He's a super talent and a lightning rod to build around. Zargo is a competitor that everyone can get behind. Barnett is gonna give you an ulcer, but he's gonna do something crazy that works out most of the time. The kid from Stoughton is gonna be similar.

There's so many reasons to like this team. What they need is for us to support them and help them build momentum.

[Harris]

University of Northern Iowa admissions is selective with an acceptance rate of 79%; ACT Composite: 20–26.


Wisconsin admissions is selective with an acceptance rate of 54%. Students that get into Wisconsin have an average ACT score of 27-32

NOT EVERY STUDENT ATHLETE IS GETTING INTO UW.

Does anyone know Parker Keckeisen's ACT or Grade Point Average? If they do, please don't share on this forum, it was a rhetorical question, but UNI was a SINGLE example because of ONE kid who we lost to them who's now excelling.

I also know for a fact there have been several highly recruited kids from Wisconsin who easily had the grades to get into the School who never received so much as a phone call from the Badgers(in fact...at least one got into a much more difficult school).

I also remember one of the Wisconsin Wrestlers was a class valedictorian. I don't recall if that was Keckisen or O'Toole or Buchanan.

Either way...not blaming the current Badgers coaches. Not blaming Bono for not getting Wrestlers who committed before he was even hired.


Simply said it'd be a good idea to get guys like Rivera, like Grayson Clark, like Koy Hopke, like Austin Sinclair...like Charlie Milard, the Mirasola kids.

Now can someone please tell me why the first reaction to that is a list of excuses and arguments, disagreements, pointing out outliers like Destin McCauley or whomever?

I'm clearly just not that bright, wouldn't get into Madison and I'm missing something. I know I said I'd stop, but I desperately need to know why that's an issue that ANYONE would even argue with? You'd think on a board with both Badgers fans and Wisconsin Wrestling fans people would be excited we've got some truly elite Wrestlers coming up and we'd want them to Wrestle in Wisconsin rather than the dozen other schools that has produced Wisconsin All American's in the last ~20 years.

So explain it to me like I'm a child. Why is that an objectionable statement? Is it because people think I'm attacking the Badgers? I'm not. Most of the kids Wrestling right now committed before Bono even had a job(as I've said).

Do they simply not want to set themselves up for disappointment? We're almost certainly not going to get all of them(should still make an effort though).

I agree with everything you are saying and would love to see the Badgers get more high level recruits from Wisconsin.  Personally, I think Jon Reader is an excellent recruiter and I love his passion and energy.  The entire staff and team has really turned the corner in my opinion.  I am not sure what happened between Bono and Askren but when that relationship went away it makes it much harder to attract top AWA guys who are dominating the state wrestling scene right now.  On the flip side, if the Badger coaching staff keeps improving and the team keeps getting better, I think the top level recruits are going to give Wisconsin a fair look regardless.  12-2 in the Big Ten, 9 qualifiers to the NCAA tournament, a Big Ten Champion, electric dual meets, and 3 AA's is a great sales pitch to any high level recruit in the state.  The results speak for themselves and the recruiting will continue to get better.

Koy Hopke wrestles in the summer for Pinnacle so getting him would be a challenge considering Pinnacle has a great relationship with MN but anything is possible.  Having Trevor Brandvold on staff from River Falls just makes it even harder considering Hopke is from Amery.  He is the real deal and would be a HUGE get.  When was the last time a high level Pinnacle wrestler came to Wisconsin?  Out of all the Wisconsin high school wrestlers not committed, Hopke is on the top of my list.

I also love to see the success the program had this year when so many people doubted the team.  Don't count the Badgers out.  The coaching staff is building something special.  Watch the following interview on Instagram and you will see a different side of Bono.  He loves his guys!

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CbRDn6yrw6k/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

It was announced today on twitter that Koy Hopke is coming to the prospect camp!  It was also announced Brogan Tucker from OH is coming as well.  Let's go!

[wrastle63]

Even more important Trent is officially back. He says his redemption tour starts now and wants to bring a trophy to Madison, so guessing that means no redshirts.

[vsmf2010]

It was announced today on twitter that Koy Hopke is coming to the prospect camp!  It was also announced Brogan Tucker from OH is coming as well.  Let's go!

Wow that is great news! For those of you who know Koy Hopke better than I do. Do you think he projects as a college 197 or HWT?