Seed Big Ten weight class 157

TomM · February 23, 2014, 04:00:07 PM

I don't have any idea what criteria Big Ten uses for tournament seeding... here are the head to heads... some are non-conference as opposed to conference duals.

Current NCAA Seeding according to theopenmat.com
157
1* James Green Nebraska Jr. 26-0 W26 1
3* Derek St. John Iowa Sr. 21-2 W3 3
4* Taylor Walsh Indiana Jr. 30-3 W2 4
8* Dylan Ness Minnesota Jr. 18-4 W6 9
11* Isaac Jordan Wisconsin Fr. 21-4 W4 10
12* Dylan Alton Penn State Jr. 15-2 L2 11
13* Brian Murphy Michigan Fr. 14-5 W1 13
18* Zach Brunson Illinois Fr. 20-10 L4 12
*T.O.M. NCAA Division I College Wrestling Rankings – February 19, 2014 theopenmat.com

I bolded what I would consider a significant Big Ten opponent.

James Green (Nebraska)
Year: Junior
Accomplishments:
Big Ten: 2013 Runner-Up, 2012 5th Place
NCAA: 2013 7th Place, 2012 7th Place
2013-14 Results (vs. Big Ten opponents)
W James Green Maj Ben Sullivan (Northwestern) 19-10 5-0
W James Green Maj Randy Languis (Ohio State) 21-8 10-0
W James Green Dec Brian Muprhy (Michigan) 7-5SV 12-0
W James Green Dec Taylor Walsh (Indiana) 7-1 20-0
W James Green Dec Derek St. John (Iowa) 9-7 22-0
W James Green Maj Randy Languis (Ohio State) 16-4 23-0
W James Green Dec Alex Griffin (Purdue) 11-4 24-0
W James Green Dec Zac Brunson (Illinois) 10-3 25-0
W James Green Dec Jake Salazar (Michigan) 7-6TB 26-0
L Isaac Jordan (Wisconsin) Dec James Green 3-1SV 26-1

Derek St. John (Iowa)
Year: Senior (RS)
Accomplishments:
Big 10: 2013 3rd Place, 2012 Champ, 2011 Runner-Up
NCAA: 2013 Champ, 2012 Runner-Up, 2011 4th Place
2013-14 Results (vs. Big Ten opponents)
W Derek St. John Dec Isaiah Martinez (Illinois) 6-2 14-0
W Derek St. John Dec Isaac Jordan (Wisconsin) 5-3SV 16-0
W Derek St. John Dec Taylor Walsh (Indiana) 9-3 17-0
W Derek St. John Dec Kyle Mosier (Purdue) 7-2 18-0
W Derek St. John Tech Roger Wildmo (Michigan State) 22-7 19-0
L James Green (Nebraska) Dec Derek St. John 9-7 20-1
W Dylan Ness (Minnesota) Dec Derek St. John 7-4 20-2
W Derek St. John Dec Ben Sullivan (Northwestern) 8-3 21-2
W Derek St. John Dec Brian Murphy (Michigan) 3-1 22-2
L Isaac Jordan (Wisconsin Dec Derek St. John 3-1

Taylor Walsh (Indiana)
Year: Junior (RS)
Accomplishments:
Big Ten: 2013 8th Place, 2012 4th Place
NCAA: 2013 Qualifier, 2012 Qualifier
2013-14 Results (vs. Big Ten opponents)
W Taylor Walsh Dec Randy Languis (Ohio State) 7-1 5-0
W Taylor Walsh Dec Doug Welch (Purdue) 6-0 9-0
W Taylor Walsh Fall Jake Gingerich (Illinois) 1:53 23-0
L Derek St. John (Iowa) Dec Taylor Walsh 9-3 25-1
W Taylor Walsh Fall Dylan Marriott (Northwestern) 6:18 26-1
L James Green (Nebraska) Dec Taylor Walsh 7-1 26-2
L Isaac Jordan (Wisconsin) Dec Taylor Walsh 2-1 28-3
W Taylor Walsh Dec Alex Griffin (Purdue) 5-2 29-3
W Taylor Walsh Fall Roger Wildmo (Michigan State) 1:40 30-3

Dylan Ness (Minnesota)
Year: Junior (RS)
Accomplishments:
Big 10: 2013 Champ, 2012 Runner-Up
NCAA: 2013 4th Place, 2012 Runner-Up
2013-14 Results (vs. Big Ten opponents)
W Dylan Ness Fall Doug Welch (Purdue) 6:01 6-0
W Dylan Ness Maj Roger Wildmo (Michigan State) 15-4 12-3
L Brian Murphy (Michigan) Dec Dylan Ness 5-3 12-4
W Dylan Ness Dec Derek St. John (Iowa) 7-4 13-4
W Dylan Ness Maj Alex Gregory (Indiana) 8-0 14-4
W Dylan Ness Fall Dylan Alton (Penn State) 5:23 15-4
W Dylan Ness Dec Randy Languis (Ohio State) 8-4 17-4

Isaac Jordan (Wisconsin)
Year: Freshman (RS)
Accomplishments:
Big Ten:
NCAA:
2013-14 Results (vs. Big Ten opponents)
W Isaac Jordan Disq Zac Brunson (Illinois) 14-1
W Isaac Jordan Maj Roger Wildmo (Michigan State) 8-0 15-1
L Derek St. John (Iowa) Dec Isaac Jordan 5-3SV 18-2
L Isaiah Martinez (Illinois) Dec Isaac Jordan 7-5 18-3
W Isaac Jordan Dec Randy Languis (Ohio State) 5-2 19-4
W Isaac Jordan Dec Taylor Walsh (Indiana) 2-1 20-4
W Isaac Jordan Dec Ben Sullivan (Northwestern) 6-3 21-4
W Isaac Jordan Dec James Green (Nebraska) 3-1SV 23-4
W Isaac Jordan Dec Derek St. John (Iowa) 3-1 24-4

Dylan Alton (Penn State)
Year: Junior (RS)
Accomplishments:
Big Ten: 2013 6th Place, 2012 3rd Place
NCAA: 2013 Qualifier, 2012 3rd Place
Career Record: 59-14
2013-14 Results (vs. Big Ten opponents)
W Dylan Alton Dec Dustin Schultz (Purdue) 6-1 7-0
W Dylan Alton Dec Zac Brunson (Illinois) 5-2 13-0
W Dylan Alton Dec Roger Wildmo (Michigan State) 8-3 14-0
W Dylan Alton Dec Brian Murphy (Michigan) 3-1SV 15-0
L Dylan Ness (Minnesota) Fall Dylan Alton 5:23 15-1

Brian Murphy (Michigan)
Year: Freshman
Accomplishments:
Big Ten:
NCAA:
2013-14 Results (vs. Big Ten opponents)
W Brian Murphy Maj Alex Gordon (Ohio State) 8-0 1-0
L James Green (Nebraska) Dec Brian Murphy 7-5SV 7-1
W Brian Murphy Dec Kyle Mosier (Purdue) 8-3 9-1
L Zac Brunson (Illinois) Dec Brian Murphy 2-0 9-2
W Brian Murphy Dec Dylan Ness (Minnesota) 5-3 10-2
W Brian Murphy Dec Roger Wildmo (Michigan State) 4-2 11-2
W Brian Murphy Dec Randy Languis (Ohio State) 5-2 12-2
L Dylan Alton (Penn State) Dec Brian Murphy 3-1SV 12-3
L Derek St. John (Iowa) Dec Brian Murphy 3-1 12-4

Zac Brunson (Illinois)
Year: Freshman (RS)
Accomplishments:
Big Ten:
NCAA:
2013-14 Results (vs. Big Ten opponents)
W Zac Brunson Maj Tommy Gantt (Illinois) 12-4 8-0
L Isaac Jordan (Wisconsin) Disq Zac Brunson 9-2
L Isaiah Martinez (Illinois) Dec Zac Brunson 7-3 13-4
W Zac Brunson Dec Randy Languis (Ohio State) 4-2 15-4
W Zac Brunson Dec Brian Murphy (Michigan) 2-0 16-4
L Dylan Alton (Penn State) Dec Zac Brunson 5-2 16-5
W Zac Brunson Dec Roger Wildmo (Michigan State) 11-7 17-5
L James Green (Nebraska) Dec Zac Brunson 10-3 17-6
W Zac Brunson Dec Alex Griffin (Purdue) 6-2 18-6
W Zac Brunson Dec Ben Sullivan (Northwestern) 11-4 19-6

TomM · February 23, 2014, 04:04:08 PM

Here is my initial unqualified attempt:

1 Isaac Jordan Wisconsin Fr. 21-4
2 James Green Nebraska Jr. 26-0
3 Derek St. John Iowa Sr. 21-2
4 Dylan Ness Minnesota Jr. 18-4
5 Dylan Alton Penn State Jr. 15-2
6 Taylor Walsh Indiana Jr. 30-3
7 Brian Murphy Michigan Fr. 14-5
8 Zach Brunson Illinois Fr. 20-10

badgerjohn · February 23, 2014, 06:49:24 PM

Quote from: TomM on February 23, 2014, 04:04:08 PM
Here is my initial unqualified attempt:

1 Isaac Jordan Wisconsin Fr. 21-4
2 James Green Nebraska Jr. 26-0
3 Derek St. John Iowa Sr. 21-2
4 Dylan Ness Minnesota Jr. 18-4
5 Dylan Alton Penn State Jr. 15-2
6 Taylor Walsh Indiana Jr. 30-3
7 Brian Murphy Michigan Fr. 14-5
8 Zach Brunson Illinois Fr. 20-10

Unqualified me thinks you need to flip flop 3 and 4 based on head to head

npope · February 23, 2014, 07:36:35 PM

The weight and heavyweight are going to be a dog fight.

TomM · February 23, 2014, 08:21:07 PM

Quote from: badgerjohn on February 23, 2014, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: TomM on February 23, 2014, 04:04:08 PM
Here is my initial unqualified attempt:

1 Isaac Jordan Wisconsin Fr. 21-4
2 James Green Nebraska Jr. 26-0
3 Derek St. John Iowa Sr. 21-2
4 Dylan Ness Minnesota Jr. 18-4
5 Dylan Alton Penn State Jr. 15-2
6 Taylor Walsh Indiana Jr. 30-3
7 Brian Murphy Michigan Fr. 14-5
8 Zach Brunson Illinois Fr. 20-10

Unqualified me thinks you need to flip flop 3 and 4 based on head to head

No... me thinks I don't really want to do that!

Musky Hunter · February 23, 2014, 09:12:42 PM

what a loaded division. no clue how this is going to turn out.

Brems · February 23, 2014, 09:58:52 PM

I like Zeke's chances....think you want to stay away from Ness....other than that he has the cardio to wear down the rest. Was really impressed with his position and patience.

TomM · February 23, 2014, 10:42:06 PM

Maybe a guy needs to be in the line up more often to get the #3 over the #4 seed? I'm not sayin', but I'm sayin'....

No. 1 Minnesota topples ISU, 27-12
http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/isu/college-wrestling-no-minnesota-topples-isu/article_6db73c93-004e-504a-814a-2aa42bd895f5.html

Minnesota 27, Iowa State 12

125 - Earl Hall (ISU) pinned Sam Brancale 6:40,
133 - David Thorn (Minn) pinned Shayden Terukina 3:58,
141 - Conrad Rangell (Minn) maj. dec. Gabe Moreno 10-2,
149 - Nick Dardanes (Minn) maj. dec. Luke Goettl 13-5,
157 - Brandon Kingsley (Minn) dec. John Nicholson 2-0,
165 - Michael Moreno (ISU) dec. Danny Zilverberg 703,
174 - Logan Storley (Minn) dec. Tanner Weatherman 10-6,
184 - Kevin Stienhaus (Minn) maj. dec. Boaz Beard 13-5,
197 - Kyven Gadson (ISU) dec. Scott Schiller 6-4,
285 - Michael Kroells (Minn) dec. Ben Perna 2-0.

badgerjohn · February 24, 2014, 07:38:31 AM

Quote from: TomM on February 23, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
Maybe a guy needs to be in the line up more often to get the #3 over the #4 seed? I'm not sayin', but I'm sayin'....

No. 1 Minnesota topples ISU, 27-12
http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/isu/college-wrestling-no-minnesota-topples-isu/article_6db73c93-004e-504a-814a-2aa42bd895f5.html

Minnesota 27, Iowa State 12

125 - Earl Hall (ISU) pinned Sam Brancale 6:40,
133 - David Thorn (Minn) pinned Shayden Terukina 3:58,
141 - Conrad Rangell (Minn) maj. dec. Gabe Moreno 10-2,
149 - Nick Dardanes (Minn) maj. dec. Luke Goettl 13-5,
157 - Brandon Kingsley (Minn) dec. John Nicholson 2-0,
165 - Michael Moreno (ISU) dec. Danny Zilverberg 703,
174 - Logan Storley (Minn) dec. Tanner Weatherman 10-6,
184 - Kevin Stienhaus (Minn) maj. dec. Boaz Beard 13-5,
197 - Kyven Gadson (ISU) dec. Scott Schiller 6-4,
285 - Michael Kroells (Minn) dec. Ben Perna 2-0.

Geeezzz , let it go already

Remember back in 2010 when Some Iowa kid named Chad Beatty was the #1 seed? Did not wrestle a single match during B1G duals. NOT ONE. Go look it up.

Ghetto · February 24, 2014, 08:30:57 AM

How many qualifiers are alotted out of the Big Ten at this weight?

TomM · February 24, 2014, 08:31:05 AM

Quote from: badgerjohn on February 24, 2014, 07:38:31 AM
Quote from: TomM on February 23, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
Maybe a guy needs to be in the line up more often to get the #3 over the #4 seed? I'm not sayin', but I'm sayin'....

No. 1 Minnesota topples ISU, 27-12
http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/isu/college-wrestling-no-minnesota-topples-isu/article_6db73c93-004e-504a-814a-2aa42bd895f5.html

Minnesota 27, Iowa State 12

125 - Earl Hall (ISU) pinned Sam Brancale 6:40,
133 - David Thorn (Minn) pinned Shayden Terukina 3:58,
141 - Conrad Rangell (Minn) maj. dec. Gabe Moreno 10-2,
149 - Nick Dardanes (Minn) maj. dec. Luke Goettl 13-5,
157 - Brandon Kingsley (Minn) dec. John Nicholson 2-0,
165 - Michael Moreno (ISU) dec. Danny Zilverberg 703,
174 - Logan Storley (Minn) dec. Tanner Weatherman 10-6,
184 - Kevin Stienhaus (Minn) maj. dec. Boaz Beard 13-5,
197 - Kyven Gadson (ISU) dec. Scott Schiller 6-4,
285 - Michael Kroells (Minn) dec. Ben Perna 2-0.

Geeezzz , let it go already

Remember back in 2010 when Some Iowa kid named Chad Beatty was the #1 seed? Did not wrestle a single match during B1G duals. NOT ONE. Go look it up.

So you're sayin' we should let history dictate the future?

Who remembers 2010 anyways? And we aren't talking about 197 here.

TomM · February 24, 2014, 08:32:29 AM

Quote from: Ghetto on February 24, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
How many qualifiers are alotted out of the Big Ten at this weight?

I am not sure where you find that. Isn't there some method they use based on how the people at this weight did during the season? I have a good memory, but it is short.

badgerjohn · February 24, 2014, 08:37:34 AM

Quote from: Ghetto on February 24, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
How many qualifiers are alotted out of the Big Ten at this weight?

Not yet determined

hammen · February 24, 2014, 08:41:51 AM

Based on the rules: http://www.flowrestling.org/topic/10935-NCAA-Changes-Qualification-Criteria-For-D1-Wrestling-Championships

And the most recent rankings from 2/13: http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2014/February/13/NCAA-releases-Coaches-Panel-Rankings-and-RPI

There will probably be 8.

The announcement of final qualifiers by conference should be within the next day.

badgerjohn · February 24, 2014, 08:54:38 AM

Quote from: TomM on February 24, 2014, 08:32:29 AM
Quote from: Ghetto on February 24, 2014, 08:30:57 AM
How many qualifiers are alotted out of the Big Ten at this weight?

I am not sure where you find that. Isn't there some method they use based on how the people at this weight did during the season? I have a good memory, but it is short.

Me thinks your memory is minuscule short,,,, heck I remember my seat at B1Gs 2003 fieldhouse, long armed remote tv camera blocking my veiw,,,,, but I had a good sight line on Tony Black beating the snot outta the michigan strangler 8-0