Challenger to Cael/PSU/NLWC

[oregoncy]

I think David was the best thing to do for the program as a whole.  While I feel for Scott, the program is always bigger than an individual.  This is also what college wrestling needs as the rivalries with Penn St. and Iowa are going to be quite intense.  I'm interested to see if there are going to be any commitment changes and how the portal shakes out.  I would imagine DJ redshirts this year and wins a Natty in '26

A little birdie told me that we shouldn't feel bad for Coleman Scott. Sometimes you dig your own hole. He was the air apparent, until he wasn't.

Pivoting to DT is a much bigger move than Coleman Scott. Coleman Scott isn't relevant with kids who are graduating now.

Who else is on this plain and at the same age? THIS is the future of NCAA wrestling, for better or for worse.

Dake
Maybe Spencer Lee, but his career internationally isn't on par at the senior level
Burroughs

I'm sure there are a few more that fit the bill, but not quite on the GOAT list.

If you're going of what he's won, then DT is behind Dake, Burroughs, and Snyder for credentials. Then behind Lee at the same point in their careers.

Burroughs - 3x NCAA champ, 7x World/Olympic champ, beat DT at 2014 World team trials
Dake - 4x NCAA champ (beat DT 2x including NCAA finals), 4x World champ, beat DT at three different World/Olympic trials
Snyder - 3x NCAA champ, 4x World/Olympic champ, 1x Junior World champ
Taylor - 2x NCAA champ, 4x World/Olympic champ

Lee - 3x NCAA champ, 2x Junior World champ, 1x Cadet World champ - by the same age DT had never made a national team and wouldn't for another three years, so Spencer very well could be on the path to the same or better international career

So yes DT is big time and he's enormously popular, but it's not as if he's the GOAT.

[Ghetto]

I don't think David Taylor is the GOAT. I didn't know what to call the elite list.

Snyder for sure is on that upper tier. Wonder if he'd want to get into coaching.

[Numbers]

I think David was the best thing to do for the program as a whole.  While I feel for Scott, the program is always bigger than an individual.  This is also what college wrestling needs as the rivalries with Penn St. and Iowa are going to be quite intense.  I'm interested to see if there are going to be any commitment changes and how the portal shakes out.  I would imagine DJ redshirts this year and wins a Natty in '26

A little birdie told me that we shouldn't feel bad for Coleman Scott. Sometimes you dig your own hole. He was the air apparent, until he wasn't.

Pivoting to DT is a much bigger move than Coleman Scott. Coleman Scott isn't relevant with kids who are graduating now.

Who else is on this plain and at the same age? THIS is the future of NCAA wrestling, for better or for worse.

Dake
Maybe Spencer Lee, but his career internationally isn't on par at the senior level
Burroughs

I'm sure there are a few more that fit the bill, but not quite on the GOAT list.

If you're going of what he's won, then DT is behind Dake, Burroughs, and Snyder for credentials. Then behind Lee at the same point in their careers.

Burroughs - 3x NCAA champ, 7x World/Olympic champ, beat DT at 2014 World team trials
Dake - 4x NCAA champ (beat DT 2x including NCAA finals), 4x World champ, beat DT at three different World/Olympic trials
Snyder - 3x NCAA champ, 4x World/Olympic champ, 1x Junior World champ
Taylor - 2x NCAA champ, 4x World/Olympic champ

Lee - 3x NCAA champ, 2x Junior World champ, 1x Cadet World champ - by the same age DT had never made a national team and wouldn't for another three years, so Spencer very well could be on the path to the same or better international career

So yes DT is big time and he's enormously popular, but it's not as if he's the GOAT.

This is just the top of the list of accomplishments from 2013-2024 for USA.

Compare that to a list from 2000-2012.  What a difference!

[BadgerOne]

I think David was the best thing to do for the program as a whole.  While I feel for Scott, the program is always bigger than an individual.  This is also what college wrestling needs as the rivalries with Penn St. and Iowa are going to be quite intense.  I'm interested to see if there are going to be any commitment changes and how the portal shakes out.  I would imagine DJ redshirts this year and wins a Natty in '26

A little birdie told me that we shouldn't feel bad for Coleman Scott. Sometimes you dig your own hole. He was the air apparent, until he wasn't.

Pivoting to DT is a much bigger move than Coleman Scott. Coleman Scott isn't relevant with kids who are graduating now.

Who else is on this plain and at the same age? THIS is the future of NCAA wrestling, for better or for worse.

Dake
Maybe Spencer Lee, but his career internationally isn't on par at the senior level
Burroughs

I'm sure there are a few more that fit the bill, but not quite on the GOAT list.

If you're going of what he's won, then DT is behind Dake, Burroughs, and Snyder for credentials. Then behind Lee at the same point in their careers.

Burroughs - 3x NCAA champ, 7x World/Olympic champ, beat DT at 2014 World team trials
Dake - 4x NCAA champ (beat DT 2x including NCAA finals), 4x World champ, beat DT at three different World/Olympic trials
Snyder - 3x NCAA champ, 4x World/Olympic champ, 1x Junior World champ
Taylor - 2x NCAA champ, 4x World/Olympic champ

Lee - 3x NCAA champ, 2x Junior World champ, 1x Cadet World champ - by the same age DT had never made a national team and wouldn't for another three years, so Spencer very well could be on the path to the same or better international career

So yes DT is big time and he's enormously popular, but it's not as if he's the GOAT.

This is just the top of the list of accomplishments from 2013-2024 for USA.

Compare that to a list from 2000-2012.  What a difference!

If this is supposed to be some kind of GOAT list, I am more impressed with Gable Steveson's career than Spencer Lee and I think Logan Stieber who was a 4-time NCAA champ should be on it if Lee makes the list.

[Ghetto]

Second time: I don't think DT, Lee, etc are the GOAT

LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN.

That was a list of possible end of their wrestling career in the next few years that possibly would want to venture into coaching and have some name recognition to young wrestlers coming up now.

Seemed like a long name for a list.

Which means I don't think Lees international career will be long due to having no ACLs left.