Iowa st, Nov 19th

[littleguy301]

Thanks Dad for the updates! Ya it is tough for sure but I usually put the bigger number first even in a loss lol

Going to be a long season for sure. Not being negative just honest. We will have some bright spots during the year. Hopefully let's look for the bright spots which will be there, just probably have to wade through some negative to get there. I hope people know that!

[gwmiller44]

I don't think that they'll be favored in any duel no matter what any computer says 🤔

[wrastle63]

Ugly

[PAUL]

Tough loss, Iowa St. is a good team and while I know nothing as an outsider (and didn't see the dual) it seems like WI did not come in at it's best.  They are going to have to wear this one.  That being said, it's a long and winding season with low points and hopefully high points.  In my mind, the best way to move forward is to get back in the room and work your nuts off - wrestlers and coaches.  Days like this suck, but they can be used as fuel for motivation and continued growth.  Go Badgers!

[Grapl]

Ouch!
Can anyone tell me the last time that the Badgers were shut out?

[wrestle03]

Badgers get beat down badly.  Embarrassing.  Bono will get things turned around!!!!  NOT.

[charteroak1]

I'd like to give Coach Dresser and staff a ton of credit for putting together one solid line-up.  On the reverse side, I would have loved to have been on the UW bus ride home.  Maybe Dec 3rd. we'll see more Hustle, Effort and Attitude. 

[vsmf2010]

42-0 is a shockingly bad result but not a complete surprise. EB was really the only favorite and while I would have expected him to win he did lose to Terukina last year. Certainly would not have expected him to get majored and the pins at 74 and 84 make a mis matched dual look even worse.

If you dig into this a little deeper the dual did have some bright spots for the Badgers

125 – EB did not look good. Not sure what is going on there
133 – Nicolar actually did some very good things against a good opponent. The takedown he got in the 3rd was very slick
141 – Lettini was completely over matched. Not a much else to say here
149 – Joey wrestled well and was in this match until late against a round of 12 guy who beat him last year and gave Real Woods everything he wanted last year
157 – Tough matchup for Mechler but he was a game opponent. Had some decent defense and fought off a few things but Chittum is just too good. Be surprised if a healthy Chittum is not an AA
165 – DJ had great defense on this feet and was very close to a counter TD in first. Would have liked to see him put a tougher ride on Carr and he needed an in match adjustment against Carr's ride. Probably should have stopped coming to his feet because that was just a setup to trap the arm, trip and work for a tilt. Probably should have worked a quad pod and not come to his feet without controlling the hands. Could have also worked his switch on the mat and tried to create an exchange that way
174 – Condon was game, took a nice shot and was going in for a go ahead takedown when he got hit with the kick through. Painful but important learning experience. Will know what that feels like now and will be less inclined to drive in next time
184 – Liegel was just outmatched. Does not look completely healthy either
197 – Otto did a really nice job up 2 weight classes. Really appreciated the effort here
285 – Pete is not wrestling well and Bastida is a stud!

[Fish]

I guess we now know what Bono meant when he said  embrace the suck!

[Gutwrench]

42-0 is a shockingly bad result but not a complete surprise. EB was really the only favorite and while I would have expected him to win he did lose to Terukina last year. Certainly would not have expected him to get majored and the pins at 74 and 84 make a mis matched dual look even worse.

If you dig into this a little deeper the dual did have some bright spots for the Badgers

125 – EB did not look good. Not sure what is going on there
133 – Nicolar actually did some very good things against a good opponent. The takedown he got in the 3rd was very slick
141 – Lettini was completely over matched. Not a much else to say here
149 – Joey wrestled well and was in this match until late against a round of 12 guy who beat him last year and gave Real Woods everything he wanted last year
157 – Tough matchup for Mechler but he was a game opponent. Had some decent defense and fought off a few things but Chittum is just too good. Be surprised if a healthy Chittum is not an AA
165 – DJ had great defense on this feet and was very close to a counter TD in first. Would have liked to see him put a tougher ride on Carr and he needed an in match adjustment against Carr's ride. Probably should have stopped coming to his feet because that was just a setup to trap the arm, trip and work for a tilt. Probably should have worked a quad pod and not come to his feet without controlling the hands. Could have also worked his switch on the mat and tried to create an exchange that way
174 – Condon was game, took a nice shot and was going in for a go ahead takedown when he got hit with the kick through. Painful but important learning experience. Will know what that feels like now and will be less inclined to drive in next time
184 – Liegel was just outmatched. Does not look completely healthy either
197 – Otto did a really nice job up 2 weight classes. Really appreciated the effort here
285 – Pete is not wrestling well and Bastida is a stud!

Appreciate the summary vsmf. I'm just surprised that things hasn't worked out for this coaching staff. Granted I'm not in the room with the team, but from an outsider's perspective Bono seemed to bring to the program everything you were looking for.  Development of wrestlers, coaching success, excitement, energy, good coaching staff, high level transfers.  I wonder where it went wrong?  Is there something internal going on that we aren't privy to?  Does this ultimately tie back to missed opportunities building a relationship with AWA?

I'm not saying one way or another that Bono should go, but it will be interesting to see if the Wisconsin AD will step in and make a coaching change.  McIntosh has been quick to make changes in football and men's hockey.  Not that wrestling is in the same category as those two programs as far as profile and revenue, but there is a precedence established from the current administration.

If a coaching change is made, who would the "experts" on this forum recommend?
Askren
Reader
Gross
Burroughs (Sanderson part 2?)
Other?
 

[dforsythe]

42-0 is a shockingly bad result but not a complete surprise. EB was really the only favorite and while I would have expected him to win he did lose to Terukina last year. Certainly would not have expected him to get majored and the pins at 74 and 84 make a mis matched dual look even worse.

If you dig into this a little deeper the dual did have some bright spots for the Badgers

125 – EB did not look good. Not sure what is going on there
133 – Nicolar actually did some very good things against a good opponent. The takedown he got in the 3rd was very slick
141 – Lettini was completely over matched. Not a much else to say here
149 – Joey wrestled well and was in this match until late against a round of 12 guy who beat him last year and gave Real Woods everything he wanted last year
157 – Tough matchup for Mechler but he was a game opponent. Had some decent defense and fought off a few things but Chittum is just too good. Be surprised if a healthy Chittum is not an AA
165 – DJ had great defense on this feet and was very close to a counter TD in first. Would have liked to see him put a tougher ride on Carr and he needed an in match adjustment against Carr's ride. Probably should have stopped coming to his feet because that was just a setup to trap the arm, trip and work for a tilt. Probably should have worked a quad pod and not come to his feet without controlling the hands. Could have also worked his switch on the mat and tried to create an exchange that way
174 – Condon was game, took a nice shot and was going in for a go ahead takedown when he got hit with the kick through. Painful but important learning experience. Will know what that feels like now and will be less inclined to drive in next time
184 – Liegel was just outmatched. Does not look completely healthy either
197 – Otto did a really nice job up 2 weight classes. Really appreciated the effort here
285 – Pete is not wrestling well and Bastida is a stud!

Appreciate the summary vsmf. I'm just surprised that things hasn't worked out for this coaching staff. Granted I'm not in the room with the team, but from an outsider's perspective Bono seemed to bring to the program everything you were looking for.  Development of wrestlers, coaching success, excitement, energy, good coaching staff, high level transfers.  I wonder where it went wrong?  Is there something internal going on that we aren't privy to?  Does this ultimately tie back to missed opportunities building a relationship with AWA?

I'm not saying one way or another that Bono should go, but it will be interesting to see if the Wisconsin AD will step in and make a coaching change.  McIntosh has been quick to make changes in football and men's hockey.  Not that wrestling is in the same category as those two programs as far as profile and revenue, but there is a precedence established from the current administration.

If a coaching change is made, who would the "experts" on this forum recommend?
Askren
Reader
Gross
Burroughs (Sanderson part 2?)
Other?
 

I also am not advocating a change, but if one is made I would love to see Nick Becker get a shot. Other than that, there are many great coaches out there that could have success in Madison.

I also think like other UW sports, Bono may be having trouble getting some of his athletes admitted to the school.

[asdf]

Blaming "having trouble getting athletes admitted" has got to be one of the worst takes of all takes on this forum.

Unlike "other sports", some of the best wrestling programs in the nation have the same to higher academic standards. 

Cornell is one of the best academic and wrestling school in the nation.  Columbia has more ranked wrestler then UW.  Harvard has kids ranked every year.  Princeton and Penn and their RTC's are some of the most respected in the nation schools and programs. 

Delve into admission rates, GPA and ACTs and in the Big Ten alone UW has same to minimally at most academics standards as Mich, Minn, NW, and Purdue.  All those schools are out recruiting UW.

You got kids from WI going to Bucknell, Stanford, HOfstra grad school, NW, and other elite academic schools that have much higher standard then UW.

I could name 10-15 schools that have higher standards for admission then UW that are doing better recruiting then Bono.

Also-blaming academics standards is a backhanded way to imply kids don't go to UW because they aren't smart enough.

Plenty of schools have tough academic standards and they have coaches that can recruit great with it.  Bono/Reader/Gross can't.

[MRL_84]

If a coaching change is made, who would the "experts" on this forum recommend?
Askren
Reader
Gross
Burroughs (Sanderson part 2?)
Other?
 


Cary Kolat

[Oz125]

Michigan also has high academic standards. They don't seem to have a problem getting their guys in. Just saying.

[charteroak1]

I'm not sure what to think of the whole situation, as we are only three weeks into the season.  My initial thought was that Bono and Co.(w/McDonough)might be the right guys for the job.  However looking at the recruits that they have brought in other than Hamiti and Barnett, who has been a standout?  And Hillger is a Davis guy BTW.  Thank God and Bono for the transfer portal as this is quite the list: Escobar, Breske, Moran, Connor Brown, Gross, Sebastian, Watkins, Weiler, Gomez, McNally, LaMont, Liegel, Maylor, Mechler, and I might be missing one or two.  Without these guys it would be interesting to see where the program would be.  Will McIntosh make a change. I think that will all depend on where we end up at the Big Ten's.  You look at what happened to Barry and his last season.  I believe that decision was announced after BigTen's if I recall. 

Gutwrench, you mentioned coaches.  Who would I like to see??? 
Option 1- HC: Taylor AHC:Kennedy AC:Nick Lee AC: Eric Barnett 
Option 2- HC: Max Askren AHC: Logan Steiber AC: Alex Dieringer AC: Eric Barnett
Will any of these options come true...Nope!

BTW, and chance of including a new wrestling facility in the new football indoor practice facility(former shell)?  A new facility is needed ASAP