Angelo Ferrari

[BadgerOne]

Angelo to Iowa this evening.

NCAA wrestling has now become Penn St vs. The Ferrari's. Welcome to the show.

Do you honestly think they will remain eligible?

I hope not harley. At the same time, tho, they seem to be the last hope against the blue and white

There is no hope against Penn State. At least not in the short term. They're adding guys like the Mirasola brothers who...aren't even the highest rated recruits at their own weight. And we all know how good they are, but they went there to take on the challenges of winning spots with SO much incoming talent like Ryder, Sealey, Barr among others.

Haines, a returning runner up as a True Freshmen. Last time he stepped foot on a mat with Mitchell Mesenbrink, I believe Mesenbrink beat him the first two in a 2 out of 3 for the U20 World Championships(where he took a silver).

And again, they seemingly stole Cornell's next generation of stars(minus Shapiro) with the Gibson brothers who are close to the Bassetts(their cousins).


They're recruiting right now is just so far beyond anyone else and they generally get the most out of the kids they have. Plus, they had 3 Freshmen last year who went 3rd, 2nd and DNP at the deepest, toughest weight in Van Ness, Haines and Facundo.


Don't know what's gonna happen in 4-5 years, but unless Cael, Cunningham and the NLWC all just stop developing Wrestlers, this looks like a team that could easily have 10 AAs and 5 or more guys challenging for NCs.

I forgot about Luke Lillendahl, Kasak and others. They're recruiting elite Wrestlers at 2 deep at each weight.

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2023/05/penn-state-wrestling-recruiting-a-breakdown-of-2023-24-commits/

125 has been a weak spot since Suriano left.  Robbie Howard can't stay healthy and their backups have been weak.  They brought in McHenry, but I don't think he is likely to AA.  Hopefully, Robbie Howard can get healthy or they can find someone to takeover that spot.  While their recruiting has been good, they may be hard pressed to get the 5 titlists they had when they had Nick Lee, RBY, Brooks, Starocci and Dean once all of them move on.  Meanwhile, Iowa looks to land the three Ferraris and has a potential future champ in Gabe Arnold.  If PSU is unlucky with injuries or development, they could potentially lose to Iowa.  I hope not as I like PSU more than Iowa, but Iowa has a corral of real horses now and they have a lot of money to throw around to entice transfers, so it would be foolish to ever count them out.

LOL...you lost me at 3 at the THREE Ferrari's.

Read through this and look at the number of world medalists who've yet to even put on a Penn State signlet...nevermind the Freshmen and Soph like Mesenbrink, Haines, Van Ness, Facundo and Nagao...it's really not even close.

You count on AJ or Anthony to turn Iowa's tides. I'll take blue chip recruits with world medals who haven't shot at teammates houses or been arrested for serious felonies.

And Angelo is behind Haines and Mesenbrink and it's not particularly close at this point.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26761

I would agree with you if your time horizon were a year or two, but over the next five years or more, the landscape could change and while I still favor PSU to say it won't be close is nuts. Iowa may be able to eventually field all three Ferraris and Arnold and I didn't even mention Keuter who is ranked #2 overall in his class.  Iowa potentially could be very loaded in the upperweights.  Iowa also flipped Bono's top 2024 recruit Miguel Estrada and historically have excelled in bringing in title contending and AA transfers (DeSanto, Real Woods, Eierman, Lugo etc.) or flipping elite guys (Cass, Marinelli).  They also have the opportunity to flip more talented wrestlers as PSU's starting opportunities vanish and Iowa has their new facility opening up and lots of money to entice wrestlers.  I expect Iowa will have the opportunity to bring in some elite light weights which they are known for and with Spencer Lee training there, I would be surprised if they are not loaded there in next five years. Iowa did win a title recently and were favored to win during the Covid year a few years ago and PSU can't sign everyone, so Iowa has conservatively at least a 30% chance at a title in next five year and it will surely be a battle.  I am no fan of Iowa at all, but I won't underestimate them either.

[Vir Fortis]

Angelo to Iowa this evening.

NCAA wrestling has now become Penn St vs. The Ferrari's. Welcome to the show.

Do you honestly think they will remain eligible?

I hope not harley. At the same time, tho, they seem to be the last hope against the blue and white

There is no hope against Penn State. At least not in the short term. They're adding guys like the Mirasola brothers who...aren't even the highest rated recruits at their own weight. And we all know how good they are, but they went there to take on the challenges of winning spots with SO much incoming talent like Ryder, Sealey, Barr among others.

Haines, a returning runner up as a True Freshmen. Last time he stepped foot on a mat with Mitchell Mesenbrink, I believe Mesenbrink beat him the first two in a 2 out of 3 for the U20 World Championships(where he took a silver).

And again, they seemingly stole Cornell's next generation of stars(minus Shapiro) with the Gibson brothers who are close to the Bassetts(their cousins).


They're recruiting right now is just so far beyond anyone else and they generally get the most out of the kids they have. Plus, they had 3 Freshmen last year who went 3rd, 2nd and DNP at the deepest, toughest weight in Van Ness, Haines and Facundo.


Don't know what's gonna happen in 4-5 years, but unless Cael, Cunningham and the NLWC all just stop developing Wrestlers, this looks like a team that could easily have 10 AAs and 5 or more guys challenging for NCs.

I forgot about Luke Lillendahl, Kasak and others. They're recruiting elite Wrestlers at 2 deep at each weight.

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2023/05/penn-state-wrestling-recruiting-a-breakdown-of-2023-24-commits/

125 has been a weak spot since Suriano left.  Robbie Howard can't stay healthy and their backups have been weak.  They brought in McHenry, but I don't think he is likely to AA.  Hopefully, Robbie Howard can get healthy or they can find someone to takeover that spot.  While their recruiting has been good, they may be hard pressed to get the 5 titlists they had when they had Nick Lee, RBY, Brooks, Starocci and Dean once all of them move on.  Meanwhile, Iowa looks to land the three Ferraris and has a potential future champ in Gabe Arnold.  If PSU is unlucky with injuries or development, they could potentially lose to Iowa.  I hope not as I like PSU more than Iowa, but Iowa has a corral of real horses now and they have a lot of money to throw around to entice transfers, so it would be foolish to ever count them out.

LOL...you lost me at 3 at the THREE Ferrari's.

Read through this and look at the number of world medalists who've yet to even put on a Penn State signlet...nevermind the Freshmen and Soph like Mesenbrink, Haines, Van Ness, Facundo and Nagao...it's really not even close.

You count on AJ or Anthony to turn Iowa's tides. I'll take blue chip recruits with world medals who haven't shot at teammates houses or been arrested for serious felonies.

And Angelo is behind Haines and Mesenbrink and it's not particularly close at this point.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26761

I would agree with you if your time horizon were a year or two, but over the next five years or more, the landscape could change and while I still favor PSU to say it won't be close is nuts. Iowa may be able to eventually field all three Ferraris and Arnold and I didn't even mention Keuter who is ranked #2 overall in his class.  Iowa potentially could be very loaded in the upperweights.  Iowa also flipped Bono's top 2024 recruit Miguel Estrada and historically have excelled in bringing in title contending and AA transfers (DeSanto, Real Woods, Eierman, Lugo etc.) or flipping elite guys (Cass, Marinelli).  They also have the opportunity to flip more talented wrestlers as PSU's starting opportunities vanish and Iowa has their new facility opening up and lots of money to entice wrestlers.  I expect Iowa will have the opportunity to bring in some elite light weights which they are known for and with Spencer Lee training there, I would be surprised if they are not loaded there in next five years. Iowa did win a title recently and were favored to win during the Covid year a few years ago and PSU can't sign everyone, so Iowa has conservatively at least a 30% chance at a title in next five year and it will surely be a battle.  I am no fan of Iowa at all, but I won't underestimate them either.

I'm not particularly interested if you agree with me. Penn State is recruiting at a level we've never seen before. Not over a 3 year period. I think they've got...7 of the top ~20 in '24. They had a loaded Freshmen class and they ADD Mesenbrink, Nagao. Lillendahl might not hit, or Sealey or Ryder or whowever. They've basically got two deep at every weight class and...what, 5-6 World Champs or Medalists(not including Haines).

And the 3 Ferrari's. Did AJ's sexual assault case go away? He MAY have 2 years of eligibility left.

I also don't wanna hear anything from you about Estrada. He wasn't impressive as a UW recruit, why would he be as an Iowa recruit?

[BadgerOne]

Angelo to Iowa this evening.

NCAA wrestling has now become Penn St vs. The Ferrari's. Welcome to the show.

Do you honestly think they will remain eligible?

I hope not harley. At the same time, tho, they seem to be the last hope against the blue and white

There is no hope against Penn State. At least not in the short term. They're adding guys like the Mirasola brothers who...aren't even the highest rated recruits at their own weight. And we all know how good they are, but they went there to take on the challenges of winning spots with SO much incoming talent like Ryder, Sealey, Barr among others.

Haines, a returning runner up as a True Freshmen. Last time he stepped foot on a mat with Mitchell Mesenbrink, I believe Mesenbrink beat him the first two in a 2 out of 3 for the U20 World Championships(where he took a silver).

And again, they seemingly stole Cornell's next generation of stars(minus Shapiro) with the Gibson brothers who are close to the Bassetts(their cousins).


They're recruiting right now is just so far beyond anyone else and they generally get the most out of the kids they have. Plus, they had 3 Freshmen last year who went 3rd, 2nd and DNP at the deepest, toughest weight in Van Ness, Haines and Facundo.


Don't know what's gonna happen in 4-5 years, but unless Cael, Cunningham and the NLWC all just stop developing Wrestlers, this looks like a team that could easily have 10 AAs and 5 or more guys challenging for NCs.

I forgot about Luke Lillendahl, Kasak and others. They're recruiting elite Wrestlers at 2 deep at each weight.

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2023/05/penn-state-wrestling-recruiting-a-breakdown-of-2023-24-commits/

125 has been a weak spot since Suriano left.  Robbie Howard can't stay healthy and their backups have been weak.  They brought in McHenry, but I don't think he is likely to AA.  Hopefully, Robbie Howard can get healthy or they can find someone to takeover that spot.  While their recruiting has been good, they may be hard pressed to get the 5 titlists they had when they had Nick Lee, RBY, Brooks, Starocci and Dean once all of them move on.  Meanwhile, Iowa looks to land the three Ferraris and has a potential future champ in Gabe Arnold.  If PSU is unlucky with injuries or development, they could potentially lose to Iowa.  I hope not as I like PSU more than Iowa, but Iowa has a corral of real horses now and they have a lot of money to throw around to entice transfers, so it would be foolish to ever count them out.

LOL...you lost me at 3 at the THREE Ferrari's.

Read through this and look at the number of world medalists who've yet to even put on a Penn State signlet...nevermind the Freshmen and Soph like Mesenbrink, Haines, Van Ness, Facundo and Nagao...it's really not even close.

You count on AJ or Anthony to turn Iowa's tides. I'll take blue chip recruits with world medals who haven't shot at teammates houses or been arrested for serious felonies.

And Angelo is behind Haines and Mesenbrink and it's not particularly close at this point.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26761

I would agree with you if your time horizon were a year or two, but over the next five years or more, the landscape could change and while I still favor PSU to say it won't be close is nuts. Iowa may be able to eventually field all three Ferraris and Arnold and I didn't even mention Keuter who is ranked #2 overall in his class.  Iowa potentially could be very loaded in the upperweights.  Iowa also flipped Bono's top 2024 recruit Miguel Estrada and historically have excelled in bringing in title contending and AA transfers (DeSanto, Real Woods, Eierman, Lugo etc.) or flipping elite guys (Cass, Marinelli).  They also have the opportunity to flip more talented wrestlers as PSU's starting opportunities vanish and Iowa has their new facility opening up and lots of money to entice wrestlers.  I expect Iowa will have the opportunity to bring in some elite light weights which they are known for and with Spencer Lee training there, I would be surprised if they are not loaded there in next five years. Iowa did win a title recently and were favored to win during the Covid year a few years ago and PSU can't sign everyone, so Iowa has conservatively at least a 30% chance at a title in next five year and it will surely be a battle.  I am no fan of Iowa at all, but I won't underestimate them either.

I'm not particularly interested if you agree with me. Penn State is recruiting at a level we've never seen before. Not over a 3 year period. I think they've got...7 of the top ~20 in '24. They had a loaded Freshmen class and they ADD Mesenbrink, Nagao. Lillendahl might not hit, or Sealey or Ryder or whowever. They've basically got two deep at every weight class and...what, 5-6 World Champs or Medalists(not including Haines).

And the 3 Ferrari's. Did AJ's sexual assault case go away? He MAY have 2 years of eligibility left.

I also don't wanna hear anything from you about Estrada. He wasn't impressive as a UW recruit, why would he be as an Iowa recruit?

PSU will lose a lot of fire power when Brooks, Starocci and Kerk are done.  Who knows if the new kids will be folkstyle studs or not.  I hope so, but I don't see any sure fire champs like Brooks, Starocci, RBY and Nick Lee were and Nickal, Nolf and Zain were before them.  Meanwhile I think AJ if he gets past his legal problems (remember Gable Stevenson was charged with some serious stuff too and it was eventually dropped) would be the favorite if he could return at 197 and a contender at heavyweight.  I also think Angelo would be a title contender right away.  Gabe Arnold looks like a stud.  Iowa will get the recruits and transfers to build up the roster over the next five years.  I don't like Iowa but they aren't going away and some years will battle PSU closely and might even pull out a title.  I think Iowa's chance of winning a title in next five years are better than Wisconsin's chances of fielding a top ten team at NCAAs in the same time frame.

[Vir Fortis]

Angelo to Iowa this evening.

NCAA wrestling has now become Penn St vs. The Ferrari's. Welcome to the show.

Do you honestly think they will remain eligible?

I hope not harley. At the same time, tho, they seem to be the last hope against the blue and white

There is no hope against Penn State. At least not in the short term. They're adding guys like the Mirasola brothers who...aren't even the highest rated recruits at their own weight. And we all know how good they are, but they went there to take on the challenges of winning spots with SO much incoming talent like Ryder, Sealey, Barr among others.

Haines, a returning runner up as a True Freshmen. Last time he stepped foot on a mat with Mitchell Mesenbrink, I believe Mesenbrink beat him the first two in a 2 out of 3 for the U20 World Championships(where he took a silver).

And again, they seemingly stole Cornell's next generation of stars(minus Shapiro) with the Gibson brothers who are close to the Bassetts(their cousins).


They're recruiting right now is just so far beyond anyone else and they generally get the most out of the kids they have. Plus, they had 3 Freshmen last year who went 3rd, 2nd and DNP at the deepest, toughest weight in Van Ness, Haines and Facundo.


Don't know what's gonna happen in 4-5 years, but unless Cael, Cunningham and the NLWC all just stop developing Wrestlers, this looks like a team that could easily have 10 AAs and 5 or more guys challenging for NCs.

I forgot about Luke Lillendahl, Kasak and others. They're recruiting elite Wrestlers at 2 deep at each weight.

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2023/05/penn-state-wrestling-recruiting-a-breakdown-of-2023-24-commits/

125 has been a weak spot since Suriano left.  Robbie Howard can't stay healthy and their backups have been weak.  They brought in McHenry, but I don't think he is likely to AA.  Hopefully, Robbie Howard can get healthy or they can find someone to takeover that spot.  While their recruiting has been good, they may be hard pressed to get the 5 titlists they had when they had Nick Lee, RBY, Brooks, Starocci and Dean once all of them move on.  Meanwhile, Iowa looks to land the three Ferraris and has a potential future champ in Gabe Arnold.  If PSU is unlucky with injuries or development, they could potentially lose to Iowa.  I hope not as I like PSU more than Iowa, but Iowa has a corral of real horses now and they have a lot of money to throw around to entice transfers, so it would be foolish to ever count them out.

LOL...you lost me at 3 at the THREE Ferrari's.

Read through this and look at the number of world medalists who've yet to even put on a Penn State signlet...nevermind the Freshmen and Soph like Mesenbrink, Haines, Van Ness, Facundo and Nagao...it's really not even close.

You count on AJ or Anthony to turn Iowa's tides. I'll take blue chip recruits with world medals who haven't shot at teammates houses or been arrested for serious felonies.

And Angelo is behind Haines and Mesenbrink and it's not particularly close at this point.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26761

I would agree with you if your time horizon were a year or two, but over the next five years or more, the landscape could change and while I still favor PSU to say it won't be close is nuts. Iowa may be able to eventually field all three Ferraris and Arnold and I didn't even mention Keuter who is ranked #2 overall in his class.  Iowa potentially could be very loaded in the upperweights.  Iowa also flipped Bono's top 2024 recruit Miguel Estrada and historically have excelled in bringing in title contending and AA transfers (DeSanto, Real Woods, Eierman, Lugo etc.) or flipping elite guys (Cass, Marinelli).  They also have the opportunity to flip more talented wrestlers as PSU's starting opportunities vanish and Iowa has their new facility opening up and lots of money to entice wrestlers.  I expect Iowa will have the opportunity to bring in some elite light weights which they are known for and with Spencer Lee training there, I would be surprised if they are not loaded there in next five years. Iowa did win a title recently and were favored to win during the Covid year a few years ago and PSU can't sign everyone, so Iowa has conservatively at least a 30% chance at a title in next five year and it will surely be a battle.  I am no fan of Iowa at all, but I won't underestimate them either.

I'm not particularly interested if you agree with me. Penn State is recruiting at a level we've never seen before. Not over a 3 year period. I think they've got...7 of the top ~20 in '24. They had a loaded Freshmen class and they ADD Mesenbrink, Nagao. Lillendahl might not hit, or Sealey or Ryder or whowever. They've basically got two deep at every weight class and...what, 5-6 World Champs or Medalists(not including Haines).

And the 3 Ferrari's. Did AJ's sexual assault case go away? He MAY have 2 years of eligibility left.

I also don't wanna hear anything from you about Estrada. He wasn't impressive as a UW recruit, why would he be as an Iowa recruit?

PSU will lose a lot of fire power when Brooks, Starocci and Kerk are done.  Who knows if the new kids will be folkstyle studs or not.  I hope so, but I don't see any sure fire champs like Brooks, Starocci, RBY and Nick Lee were and Nickal, Nolf and Zain were before them.  Meanwhile I think AJ if he gets past his legal problems (remember Gable Stevenson was charged with some serious stuff too and it was eventually dropped) would be the favorite if he could return at 197 and a contender at heavyweight.  I also think Angelo would be a title contender right away.  Gabe Arnold looks like a stud.  Iowa will get the recruits and transfers to build up the roster over the next five years.  I don't like Iowa but they aren't going away and some years will battle PSU closely and might even pull out a title.  I think Iowa's chance of winning a title in next five years are better than Wisconsin's chances of fielding a top ten team at NCAAs in the same time frame.

You don't? You don't see any surefire studs LIKE Starocci, Brooks, Lee and RBY were? They've got higher rated recruits in just one class.

They have 5 of the top 10 overall recruits for the 2024 class. They've got 6 of 7 world medalists coming in. Maybe your vision is a bit cloudy.

[littleguy301]

Angelo to Iowa this evening.

NCAA wrestling has now become Penn St vs. The Ferrari's. Welcome to the show.

Do you honestly think they will remain eligible?

I hope not harley. At the same time, tho, they seem to be the last hope against the blue and white

There is no hope against Penn State. At least not in the short term. They're adding guys like the Mirasola brothers who...aren't even the highest rated recruits at their own weight. And we all know how good they are, but they went there to take on the challenges of winning spots with SO much incoming talent like Ryder, Sealey, Barr among others.

Haines, a returning runner up as a True Freshmen. Last time he stepped foot on a mat with Mitchell Mesenbrink, I believe Mesenbrink beat him the first two in a 2 out of 3 for the U20 World Championships(where he took a silver).

And again, they seemingly stole Cornell's next generation of stars(minus Shapiro) with the Gibson brothers who are close to the Bassetts(their cousins).


They're recruiting right now is just so far beyond anyone else and they generally get the most out of the kids they have. Plus, they had 3 Freshmen last year who went 3rd, 2nd and DNP at the deepest, toughest weight in Van Ness, Haines and Facundo.


Don't know what's gonna happen in 4-5 years, but unless Cael, Cunningham and the NLWC all just stop developing Wrestlers, this looks like a team that could easily have 10 AAs and 5 or more guys challenging for NCs.

I forgot about Luke Lillendahl, Kasak and others. They're recruiting elite Wrestlers at 2 deep at each weight.

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2023/05/penn-state-wrestling-recruiting-a-breakdown-of-2023-24-commits/

125 has been a weak spot since Suriano left.  Robbie Howard can't stay healthy and their backups have been weak.  They brought in McHenry, but I don't think he is likely to AA.  Hopefully, Robbie Howard can get healthy or they can find someone to takeover that spot.  While their recruiting has been good, they may be hard pressed to get the 5 titlists they had when they had Nick Lee, RBY, Brooks, Starocci and Dean once all of them move on.  Meanwhile, Iowa looks to land the three Ferraris and has a potential future champ in Gabe Arnold.  If PSU is unlucky with injuries or development, they could potentially lose to Iowa.  I hope not as I like PSU more than Iowa, but Iowa has a corral of real horses now and they have a lot of money to throw around to entice transfers, so it would be foolish to ever count them out.

LOL...you lost me at 3 at the THREE Ferrari's.

Read through this and look at the number of world medalists who've yet to even put on a Penn State signlet...nevermind the Freshmen and Soph like Mesenbrink, Haines, Van Ness, Facundo and Nagao...it's really not even close.

You count on AJ or Anthony to turn Iowa's tides. I'll take blue chip recruits with world medals who haven't shot at teammates houses or been arrested for serious felonies.

And Angelo is behind Haines and Mesenbrink and it's not particularly close at this point.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26761

I would agree with you if your time horizon were a year or two, but over the next five years or more, the landscape could change and while I still favor PSU to say it won't be close is nuts. Iowa may be able to eventually field all three Ferraris and Arnold and I didn't even mention Keuter who is ranked #2 overall in his class.  Iowa potentially could be very loaded in the upperweights.  Iowa also flipped Bono's top 2024 recruit Miguel Estrada and historically have excelled in bringing in title contending and AA transfers (DeSanto, Real Woods, Eierman, Lugo etc.) or flipping elite guys (Cass, Marinelli).  They also have the opportunity to flip more talented wrestlers as PSU's starting opportunities vanish and Iowa has their new facility opening up and lots of money to entice wrestlers.  I expect Iowa will have the opportunity to bring in some elite light weights which they are known for and with Spencer Lee training there, I would be surprised if they are not loaded there in next five years. Iowa did win a title recently and were favored to win during the Covid year a few years ago and PSU can't sign everyone, so Iowa has conservatively at least a 30% chance at a title in next five year and it will surely be a battle.  I am no fan of Iowa at all, but I won't underestimate them either.

I'm not particularly interested if you agree with me. Penn State is recruiting at a level we've never seen before. Not over a 3 year period. I think they've got...7 of the top ~20 in '24. They had a loaded Freshmen class and they ADD Mesenbrink, Nagao. Lillendahl might not hit, or Sealey or Ryder or whowever. They've basically got two deep at every weight class and...what, 5-6 World Champs or Medalists(not including Haines).

And the 3 Ferrari's. Did AJ's sexual assault case go away? He MAY have 2 years of eligibility left.

I also don't wanna hear anything from you about Estrada. He wasn't impressive as a UW recruit, why would he be as an Iowa recruit?

PSU will lose a lot of fire power when Brooks, Starocci and Kerk are done.  Who knows if the new kids will be folkstyle studs or not.  I hope so, but I don't see any sure fire champs like Brooks, Starocci, RBY and Nick Lee were and Nickal, Nolf and Zain were before them.  Meanwhile I think AJ if he gets past his legal problems (remember Gable Stevenson was charged with some serious stuff too and it was eventually dropped) would be the favorite if he could return at 197 and a contender at heavyweight.  I also think Angelo would be a title contender right away.  Gabe Arnold looks like a stud.  Iowa will get the recruits and transfers to build up the roster over the next five years.  I don't like Iowa but they aren't going away and some years will battle PSU closely and might even pull out a title.  I think Iowa's chance of winning a title in next five years are better than Wisconsin's chances of fielding a top ten team at NCAAs in the same time frame.

You don't? You don't see any surefire studs LIKE Starocci, Brooks, Lee and RBY were? They've got higher rated recruits in just one class.

They have 5 of the top 10 overall recruits for the 2024 class. They've got 6 of 7 world medalists coming in. Maybe your vision is a bit cloudy.

I agree PSU has alot of firepower coming I.  Kerkorian has 2 or 3 years left so......PSU may not have the firepower of those past studs they maybe better!

[BadgerOne]

Angelo to Iowa this evening.

NCAA wrestling has now become Penn St vs. The Ferrari's. Welcome to the show.

Do you honestly think they will remain eligible?

I hope not harley. At the same time, tho, they seem to be the last hope against the blue and white

There is no hope against Penn State. At least not in the short term. They're adding guys like the Mirasola brothers who...aren't even the highest rated recruits at their own weight. And we all know how good they are, but they went there to take on the challenges of winning spots with SO much incoming talent like Ryder, Sealey, Barr among others.

Haines, a returning runner up as a True Freshmen. Last time he stepped foot on a mat with Mitchell Mesenbrink, I believe Mesenbrink beat him the first two in a 2 out of 3 for the U20 World Championships(where he took a silver).

And again, they seemingly stole Cornell's next generation of stars(minus Shapiro) with the Gibson brothers who are close to the Bassetts(their cousins).


They're recruiting right now is just so far beyond anyone else and they generally get the most out of the kids they have. Plus, they had 3 Freshmen last year who went 3rd, 2nd and DNP at the deepest, toughest weight in Van Ness, Haines and Facundo.


Don't know what's gonna happen in 4-5 years, but unless Cael, Cunningham and the NLWC all just stop developing Wrestlers, this looks like a team that could easily have 10 AAs and 5 or more guys challenging for NCs.

I forgot about Luke Lillendahl, Kasak and others. They're recruiting elite Wrestlers at 2 deep at each weight.

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2023/05/penn-state-wrestling-recruiting-a-breakdown-of-2023-24-commits/

125 has been a weak spot since Suriano left.  Robbie Howard can't stay healthy and their backups have been weak.  They brought in McHenry, but I don't think he is likely to AA.  Hopefully, Robbie Howard can get healthy or they can find someone to takeover that spot.  While their recruiting has been good, they may be hard pressed to get the 5 titlists they had when they had Nick Lee, RBY, Brooks, Starocci and Dean once all of them move on.  Meanwhile, Iowa looks to land the three Ferraris and has a potential future champ in Gabe Arnold.  If PSU is unlucky with injuries or development, they could potentially lose to Iowa.  I hope not as I like PSU more than Iowa, but Iowa has a corral of real horses now and they have a lot of money to throw around to entice transfers, so it would be foolish to ever count them out.

LOL...you lost me at 3 at the THREE Ferrari's.

Read through this and look at the number of world medalists who've yet to even put on a Penn State signlet...nevermind the Freshmen and Soph like Mesenbrink, Haines, Van Ness, Facundo and Nagao...it's really not even close.

You count on AJ or Anthony to turn Iowa's tides. I'll take blue chip recruits with world medals who haven't shot at teammates houses or been arrested for serious felonies.

And Angelo is behind Haines and Mesenbrink and it's not particularly close at this point.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26761

I would agree with you if your time horizon were a year or two, but over the next five years or more, the landscape could change and while I still favor PSU to say it won't be close is nuts. Iowa may be able to eventually field all three Ferraris and Arnold and I didn't even mention Keuter who is ranked #2 overall in his class.  Iowa potentially could be very loaded in the upperweights.  Iowa also flipped Bono's top 2024 recruit Miguel Estrada and historically have excelled in bringing in title contending and AA transfers (DeSanto, Real Woods, Eierman, Lugo etc.) or flipping elite guys (Cass, Marinelli).  They also have the opportunity to flip more talented wrestlers as PSU's starting opportunities vanish and Iowa has their new facility opening up and lots of money to entice wrestlers.  I expect Iowa will have the opportunity to bring in some elite light weights which they are known for and with Spencer Lee training there, I would be surprised if they are not loaded there in next five years. Iowa did win a title recently and were favored to win during the Covid year a few years ago and PSU can't sign everyone, so Iowa has conservatively at least a 30% chance at a title in next five year and it will surely be a battle.  I am no fan of Iowa at all, but I won't underestimate them either.

I'm not particularly interested if you agree with me. Penn State is recruiting at a level we've never seen before. Not over a 3 year period. I think they've got...7 of the top ~20 in '24. They had a loaded Freshmen class and they ADD Mesenbrink, Nagao. Lillendahl might not hit, or Sealey or Ryder or whowever. They've basically got two deep at every weight class and...what, 5-6 World Champs or Medalists(not including Haines).

And the 3 Ferrari's. Did AJ's sexual assault case go away? He MAY have 2 years of eligibility left.

I also don't wanna hear anything from you about Estrada. He wasn't impressive as a UW recruit, why would he be as an Iowa recruit?

PSU will lose a lot of fire power when Brooks, Starocci and Kerk are done.  Who knows if the new kids will be folkstyle studs or not.  I hope so, but I don't see any sure fire champs like Brooks, Starocci, RBY and Nick Lee were and Nickal, Nolf and Zain were before them.  Meanwhile I think AJ if he gets past his legal problems (remember Gable Stevenson was charged with some serious stuff too and it was eventually dropped) would be the favorite if he could return at 197 and a contender at heavyweight.  I also think Angelo would be a title contender right away.  Gabe Arnold looks like a stud.  Iowa will get the recruits and transfers to build up the roster over the next five years.  I don't like Iowa but they aren't going away and some years will battle PSU closely and might even pull out a title.  I think Iowa's chance of winning a title in next five years are better than Wisconsin's chances of fielding a top ten team at NCAAs in the same time frame.

You don't? You don't see any surefire studs LIKE Starocci, Brooks, Lee and RBY were? They've got higher rated recruits in just one class.

They have 5 of the top 10 overall recruits for the 2024 class. They've got 6 of 7 world medalists coming in. Maybe your vision is a bit cloudy.

I agree PSU has alot of firepower coming I.  Kerkorian has 2 or 3 years left so......PSU may not have the firepower of those past studs they maybe better!

Yeah, but so does Iowa.  They just added two AAs to their roster from the portal and they still have a ton of money and the largest fanbase to keep the spigot running.  While PSU may win many more titles in the future, Iowa will be able to narrow the gap and some years, will keep it interesting.  Meanwhile Bono's ship is rudderless and a podium team seems like a pipedream.

[bigoil]

Angelo to Iowa this evening.

NCAA wrestling has now become Penn St vs. The Ferrari's. Welcome to the show.

Do you honestly think they will remain eligible?

I hope not harley. At the same time, tho, they seem to be the last hope against the blue and white

There is no hope against Penn State. At least not in the short term. They're adding guys like the Mirasola brothers who...aren't even the highest rated recruits at their own weight. And we all know how good they are, but they went there to take on the challenges of winning spots with SO much incoming talent like Ryder, Sealey, Barr among others.

Haines, a returning runner up as a True Freshmen. Last time he stepped foot on a mat with Mitchell Mesenbrink, I believe Mesenbrink beat him the first two in a 2 out of 3 for the U20 World Championships(where he took a silver).

And again, they seemingly stole Cornell's next generation of stars(minus Shapiro) with the Gibson brothers who are close to the Bassetts(their cousins).


They're recruiting right now is just so far beyond anyone else and they generally get the most out of the kids they have. Plus, they had 3 Freshmen last year who went 3rd, 2nd and DNP at the deepest, toughest weight in Van Ness, Haines and Facundo.


Don't know what's gonna happen in 4-5 years, but unless Cael, Cunningham and the NLWC all just stop developing Wrestlers, this looks like a team that could easily have 10 AAs and 5 or more guys challenging for NCs.

I forgot about Luke Lillendahl, Kasak and others. They're recruiting elite Wrestlers at 2 deep at each weight.

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2023/05/penn-state-wrestling-recruiting-a-breakdown-of-2023-24-commits/

125 has been a weak spot since Suriano left.  Robbie Howard can't stay healthy and their backups have been weak.  They brought in McHenry, but I don't think he is likely to AA.  Hopefully, Robbie Howard can get healthy or they can find someone to takeover that spot.  While their recruiting has been good, they may be hard pressed to get the 5 titlists they had when they had Nick Lee, RBY, Brooks, Starocci and Dean once all of them move on.  Meanwhile, Iowa looks to land the three Ferraris and has a potential future champ in Gabe Arnold.  If PSU is unlucky with injuries or development, they could potentially lose to Iowa.  I hope not as I like PSU more than Iowa, but Iowa has a corral of real horses now and they have a lot of money to throw around to entice transfers, so it would be foolish to ever count them out.

LOL...you lost me at 3 at the THREE Ferrari's.

Read through this and look at the number of world medalists who've yet to even put on a Penn State signlet...nevermind the Freshmen and Soph like Mesenbrink, Haines, Van Ness, Facundo and Nagao...it's really not even close.

You count on AJ or Anthony to turn Iowa's tides. I'll take blue chip recruits with world medals who haven't shot at teammates houses or been arrested for serious felonies.

And Angelo is behind Haines and Mesenbrink and it's not particularly close at this point.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26761

I would agree with you if your time horizon were a year or two, but over the next five years or more, the landscape could change and while I still favor PSU to say it won't be close is nuts. Iowa may be able to eventually field all three Ferraris and Arnold and I didn't even mention Keuter who is ranked #2 overall in his class.  Iowa potentially could be very loaded in the upperweights.  Iowa also flipped Bono's top 2024 recruit Miguel Estrada and historically have excelled in bringing in title contending and AA transfers (DeSanto, Real Woods, Eierman, Lugo etc.) or flipping elite guys (Cass, Marinelli).  They also have the opportunity to flip more talented wrestlers as PSU's starting opportunities vanish and Iowa has their new facility opening up and lots of money to entice wrestlers.  I expect Iowa will have the opportunity to bring in some elite light weights which they are known for and with Spencer Lee training there, I would be surprised if they are not loaded there in next five years. Iowa did win a title recently and were favored to win during the Covid year a few years ago and PSU can't sign everyone, so Iowa has conservatively at least a 30% chance at a title in next five year and it will surely be a battle.  I am no fan of Iowa at all, but I won't underestimate them either.

I'm not particularly interested if you agree with me. Penn State is recruiting at a level we've never seen before. Not over a 3 year period. I think they've got...7 of the top ~20 in '24. They had a loaded Freshmen class and they ADD Mesenbrink, Nagao. Lillendahl might not hit, or Sealey or Ryder or whowever. They've basically got two deep at every weight class and...what, 5-6 World Champs or Medalists(not including Haines).

And the 3 Ferrari's. Did AJ's sexual assault case go away? He MAY have 2 years of eligibility left.

I also don't wanna hear anything from you about Estrada. He wasn't impressive as a UW recruit, why would he be as an Iowa recruit?

PSU will lose a lot of fire power when Brooks, Starocci and Kerk are done.  Who knows if the new kids will be folkstyle studs or not.  I hope so, but I don't see any sure fire champs like Brooks, Starocci, RBY and Nick Lee were and Nickal, Nolf and Zain were before them.  Meanwhile I think AJ if he gets past his legal problems (remember Gable Stevenson was charged with some serious stuff too and it was eventually dropped) would be the favorite if he could return at 197 and a contender at heavyweight.  I also think Angelo would be a title contender right away.  Gabe Arnold looks like a stud.  Iowa will get the recruits and transfers to build up the roster over the next five years.  I don't like Iowa but they aren't going away and some years will battle PSU closely and might even pull out a title.  I think Iowa's chance of winning a title in next five years are better than Wisconsin's chances of fielding a top ten team at NCAAs in the same time frame.

You don't? You don't see any surefire studs LIKE Starocci, Brooks, Lee and RBY were? They've got higher rated recruits in just one class.

They have 5 of the top 10 overall recruits for the 2024 class. They've got 6 of 7 world medalists coming in. Maybe your vision is a bit cloudy.

I agree PSU has alot of firepower coming I.  Kerkorian has 2 or 3 years left so......PSU may not have the firepower of those past studs they maybe better!

Is this Kerkorian related to Dr Death? Game over if that's the case

[littleguy301]

Angelo to Iowa this evening.

NCAA wrestling has now become Penn St vs. The Ferrari's. Welcome to the show.

Do you honestly think they will remain eligible?

I hope not harley. At the same time, tho, they seem to be the last hope against the blue and white

There is no hope against Penn State. At least not in the short term. They're adding guys like the Mirasola brothers who...aren't even the highest rated recruits at their own weight. And we all know how good they are, but they went there to take on the challenges of winning spots with SO much incoming talent like Ryder, Sealey, Barr among others.

Haines, a returning runner up as a True Freshmen. Last time he stepped foot on a mat with Mitchell Mesenbrink, I believe Mesenbrink beat him the first two in a 2 out of 3 for the U20 World Championships(where he took a silver).

And again, they seemingly stole Cornell's next generation of stars(minus Shapiro) with the Gibson brothers who are close to the Bassetts(their cousins).


They're recruiting right now is just so far beyond anyone else and they generally get the most out of the kids they have. Plus, they had 3 Freshmen last year who went 3rd, 2nd and DNP at the deepest, toughest weight in Van Ness, Haines and Facundo.


Don't know what's gonna happen in 4-5 years, but unless Cael, Cunningham and the NLWC all just stop developing Wrestlers, this looks like a team that could easily have 10 AAs and 5 or more guys challenging for NCs.

I forgot about Luke Lillendahl, Kasak and others. They're recruiting elite Wrestlers at 2 deep at each weight.

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2023/05/penn-state-wrestling-recruiting-a-breakdown-of-2023-24-commits/

125 has been a weak spot since Suriano left.  Robbie Howard can't stay healthy and their backups have been weak.  They brought in McHenry, but I don't think he is likely to AA.  Hopefully, Robbie Howard can get healthy or they can find someone to takeover that spot.  While their recruiting has been good, they may be hard pressed to get the 5 titlists they had when they had Nick Lee, RBY, Brooks, Starocci and Dean once all of them move on.  Meanwhile, Iowa looks to land the three Ferraris and has a potential future champ in Gabe Arnold.  If PSU is unlucky with injuries or development, they could potentially lose to Iowa.  I hope not as I like PSU more than Iowa, but Iowa has a corral of real horses now and they have a lot of money to throw around to entice transfers, so it would be foolish to ever count them out.

LOL...you lost me at 3 at the THREE Ferrari's.

Read through this and look at the number of world medalists who've yet to even put on a Penn State signlet...nevermind the Freshmen and Soph like Mesenbrink, Haines, Van Ness, Facundo and Nagao...it's really not even close.

You count on AJ or Anthony to turn Iowa's tides. I'll take blue chip recruits with world medals who haven't shot at teammates houses or been arrested for serious felonies.

And Angelo is behind Haines and Mesenbrink and it's not particularly close at this point.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26761

I would agree with you if your time horizon were a year or two, but over the next five years or more, the landscape could change and while I still favor PSU to say it won't be close is nuts. Iowa may be able to eventually field all three Ferraris and Arnold and I didn't even mention Keuter who is ranked #2 overall in his class.  Iowa potentially could be very loaded in the upperweights.  Iowa also flipped Bono's top 2024 recruit Miguel Estrada and historically have excelled in bringing in title contending and AA transfers (DeSanto, Real Woods, Eierman, Lugo etc.) or flipping elite guys (Cass, Marinelli).  They also have the opportunity to flip more talented wrestlers as PSU's starting opportunities vanish and Iowa has their new facility opening up and lots of money to entice wrestlers.  I expect Iowa will have the opportunity to bring in some elite light weights which they are known for and with Spencer Lee training there, I would be surprised if they are not loaded there in next five years. Iowa did win a title recently and were favored to win during the Covid year a few years ago and PSU can't sign everyone, so Iowa has conservatively at least a 30% chance at a title in next five year and it will surely be a battle.  I am no fan of Iowa at all, but I won't underestimate them either.

I'm not particularly interested if you agree with me. Penn State is recruiting at a level we've never seen before. Not over a 3 year period. I think they've got...7 of the top ~20 in '24. They had a loaded Freshmen class and they ADD Mesenbrink, Nagao. Lillendahl might not hit, or Sealey or Ryder or whowever. They've basically got two deep at every weight class and...what, 5-6 World Champs or Medalists(not including Haines).

And the 3 Ferrari's. Did AJ's sexual assault case go away? He MAY have 2 years of eligibility left.

I also don't wanna hear anything from you about Estrada. He wasn't impressive as a UW recruit, why would he be as an Iowa recruit?

PSU will lose a lot of fire power when Brooks, Starocci and Kerk are done.  Who knows if the new kids will be folkstyle studs or not.  I hope so, but I don't see any sure fire champs like Brooks, Starocci, RBY and Nick Lee were and Nickal, Nolf and Zain were before them.  Meanwhile I think AJ if he gets past his legal problems (remember Gable Stevenson was charged with some serious stuff too and it was eventually dropped) would be the favorite if he could return at 197 and a contender at heavyweight.  I also think Angelo would be a title contender right away.  Gabe Arnold looks like a stud.  Iowa will get the recruits and transfers to build up the roster over the next five years.  I don't like Iowa but they aren't going away and some years will battle PSU closely and might even pull out a title.  I think Iowa's chance of winning a title in next five years are better than Wisconsin's chances of fielding a top ten team at NCAAs in the same time frame.

You don't? You don't see any surefire studs LIKE Starocci, Brooks, Lee and RBY were? They've got higher rated recruits in just one class.

They have 5 of the top 10 overall recruits for the 2024 class. They've got 6 of 7 world medalists coming in. Maybe your vision is a bit cloudy.

I agree PSU has alot of firepower coming I.  Kerkorian has 2 or 3 years left so......PSU may not have the firepower of those past studs they maybe better!

Is this Kerkorian related to Dr Death? Game over if that's the case

Kerk! Auto correct sucks but he is the highest returning place Winner and that could mean lights put for many HWT!

[Vir Fortis]

I agree PSU has alot of firepower coming I.  Kerkorian has 2 or 3 years left so......PSU may not have the firepower of those past studs they maybe better!

It's really unprecedented. And it's not just the upper weights with PSU. Those are a little more ridiculous than the others, but they're doubling/tripling up at the light weights and they still have Robbie Howard and now Nagao who have 7 years left between the two. Lillendahl, Gibson, Kasak...it's really not even worth doing this anymore. It's not comparable and that's before accounting for how PSU develops Wrestlers. The growth at PSU is as impressive as their recruiting...which until very recently, hasn't been THAT good. Cael brought some great Wrestlers with him, but it's not like he's just had more talent. He's developed Wrestlers. Guys like Cassar who was struggling to make the lineup, jumps up to HWT and runs through the weight class and is the only one to beat Gable Stevenson.

They'll likely lose several guys due to transfer and they'll KEEP picking up studs, but if they were, hypothetically, to keep the guys they've got, they have a team that may very well have enough to field another lineup that would win a team trophy. If it was an open, I believe there are weights they'd very possibly have multiple Wrestlers at. This next year, 157 pops to mind.


The gap between them and anyone else is enormous. And it's not hard to see why. Looking at the Open, Trials, Final X, you've got NLWC on NLWC crime!

Lee, Zain, Dake, Taylor, Snyder...and guys like Nolf, Gilman, Brooks.

[PAUL]

Well, you can see why guys would keep getting better and better - just imagine those practice sessions....

[BadgerOne]

I agree PSU has alot of firepower coming I.  Kerkorian has 2 or 3 years left so......PSU may not have the firepower of those past studs they maybe better!

It's really unprecedented. And it's not just the upper weights with PSU. Those are a little more ridiculous than the others, but they're doubling/tripling up at the light weights and they still have Robbie Howard and now Nagao who have 7 years left between the two. Lillendahl, Gibson, Kasak...it's really not even worth doing this anymore. It's not comparable and that's before accounting for how PSU develops Wrestlers. The growth at PSU is as impressive as their recruiting...which until very recently, hasn't been THAT good. Cael brought some great Wrestlers with him, but it's not like he's just had more talent. He's developed Wrestlers. Guys like Cassar who was struggling to make the lineup, jumps up to HWT and runs through the weight class and is the only one to beat Gable Stevenson.

They'll likely lose several guys due to transfer and they'll KEEP picking up studs, but if they were, hypothetically, to keep the guys they've got, they have a team that may very well have enough to field another lineup that would win a team trophy. If it was an open, I believe there are weights they'd very possibly have multiple Wrestlers at. This next year, 157 pops to mind.


The gap between them and anyone else is enormous. And it's not hard to see why. Looking at the Open, Trials, Final X, you've got NLWC on NLWC crime!

Lee, Zain, Dake, Taylor, Snyder...and guys like Nolf, Gilman, Brooks.

but if they were, hypothetically, to keep the guys they've got, they have a team that may very well have enough to field another lineup that would win a team trophy.

Their second stringers would not win a team trophy.  Now you are just talking nonsense. Give it a rest!

[littleguy301]

I agree PSU has alot of firepower coming I.  Kerkorian has 2 or 3 years left so......PSU may not have the firepower of those past studs they maybe better!

It's really unprecedented. And it's not just the upper weights with PSU. Those are a little more ridiculous than the others, but they're doubling/tripling up at the light weights and they still have Robbie Howard and now Nagao who have 7 years left between the two. Lillendahl, Gibson, Kasak...it's really not even worth doing this anymore. It's not comparable and that's before accounting for how PSU develops Wrestlers. The growth at PSU is as impressive as their recruiting...which until very recently, hasn't been THAT good. Cael brought some great Wrestlers with him, but it's not like he's just had more talent. He's developed Wrestlers. Guys like Cassar who was struggling to make the lineup, jumps up to HWT and runs through the weight class and is the only one to beat Gable Stevenson.

They'll likely lose several guys due to transfer and they'll KEEP picking up studs, but if they were, hypothetically, to keep the guys they've got, they have a team that may very well have enough to field another lineup that would win a team trophy. If it was an open, I believe there are weights they'd very possibly have multiple Wrestlers at. This next year, 157 pops to mind.


The gap between them and anyone else is enormous. And it's not hard to see why. Looking at the Open, Trials, Final X, you've got NLWC on NLWC crime!

Lee, Zain, Dake, Taylor, Snyder...and guys like Nolf, Gilman, Brooks.

but if they were, hypothetically, to keep the guys they've got, they have a team that may very well have enough to field another lineup that would win a team trophy.

Their second stringers would not win a team trophy.  Now you are just talking nonsense. Give it a rest!

Maybe not win but I will.bet you theyfi ish top 5. I am sure no one wants to hear that from wisco sin but what PSU is doing they may have world.tesm medalist as back up so let think this over!

What PSU is doing is unheard of at this level!

[npope]

Gentlemen, you are seeing the end of our sport as we know it...and any number of other non-profit sponsored collegiate sports. And it will come sooner than you think. Put football and mens basketball is a separate box because they actually make money for their respective schools - they will, and have been, treated differently. But NIL money and its concentration at a limited number of wrestling programs will create a very limited number of "haves" and many "have nots." Once that imbalance becomes the norm, the perennial (limited number of) winners will be identified - as will the non-winners, i.e., the "losers." The supporters of the losers will quickly lose interest and move on to other fandom-interests (it is just our nature as fans) and will most certainly abandon support for minor collegiate sports; PSU and Iowa maybe the kings, but their kingdom will only include four programs - all of the others will have been disbanded/dismantled. Wrestling as we know it will be absorbed by professional MMA-type endeavors and lose their once strong affiliation with specific schools (and their athletic supporters).

Professional sports, e.g., NFL, NBA, etc., only survive because the games' managers ensure that a certain amount of the wealth is spread around to ensure a competitive environment where even losers have chance at success. Collegiate wrestling cannot make the same boast under these current dynamics; repeatedly heading into PSU or Iowa and coming out with one or no wins will lose its competitive appeal to the average fan, and there aren't enough interested billionaire fans to come to the rescue of the uncompetitive teams.

This move away from limited scholarships and toward paying amateur athletes unequal wages is our sport's death knell - and you will see the end of the sport within a decade. Think it can't happen? Remember collegiate boxing? I thought not.

[BadgerOne]

I agree PSU has alot of firepower coming I.  Kerkorian has 2 or 3 years left so......PSU may not have the firepower of those past studs they maybe better!

It's really unprecedented. And it's not just the upper weights with PSU. Those are a little more ridiculous than the others, but they're doubling/tripling up at the light weights and they still have Robbie Howard and now Nagao who have 7 years left between the two. Lillendahl, Gibson, Kasak...it's really not even worth doing this anymore. It's not comparable and that's before accounting for how PSU develops Wrestlers. The growth at PSU is as impressive as their recruiting...which until very recently, hasn't been THAT good. Cael brought some great Wrestlers with him, but it's not like he's just had more talent. He's developed Wrestlers. Guys like Cassar who was struggling to make the lineup, jumps up to HWT and runs through the weight class and is the only one to beat Gable Stevenson.

They'll likely lose several guys due to transfer and they'll KEEP picking up studs, but if they were, hypothetically, to keep the guys they've got, they have a team that may very well have enough to field another lineup that would win a team trophy. If it was an open, I believe there are weights they'd very possibly have multiple Wrestlers at. This next year, 157 pops to mind.


The gap between them and anyone else is enormous. And it's not hard to see why. Looking at the Open, Trials, Final X, you've got NLWC on NLWC crime!

Lee, Zain, Dake, Taylor, Snyder...and guys like Nolf, Gilman, Brooks.

but if they were, hypothetically, to keep the guys they've got, they have a team that may very well have enough to field another lineup that would win a team trophy.

Their second stringers would not win a team trophy.  Now you are just talking nonsense. Give it a rest!

Maybe not win but I will.bet you theyfi ish top 5. I am sure no one wants to hear that from wisco sin but what PSU is doing they may have world.tesm medalist as back up so let think this over!

What PSU is doing is unheard of at this level!

Backups finishing top 5??? Not a chance!  Look at PSU historically and they haven't had more than two, possibly three backups on one roster who were AA material and probably low AAs.  You have to have several high AAs to finish top 5.  PSU's A squad will undoubtedly have many high AAs, but the second stringers hypothetically would have ony a few AAs at best.  Many guys who are stuck behind a high AA will look to transfer.  Also, just because a guy won some international medals doesn't make him a high AA otherwise Amos and Rowley would have produced more than 0 NCAA points.  So some of the guys you are hyping won't even produce at NCAAs.  Robbie Howard was another guy who was hyped up quite a bit, but due to injuries, he's been a non-factor at NCAAs.  I realize PSU is a powerhouse and will be favored often in the future to win as long as Cael is in charge but some of you get carried away into crazy thinking.

[Oz125]

Gentlemen, you are seeing the end of our sport as we know it...and any number of other non-profit sponsored collegiate sports. And it will come sooner than you think. Put football and mens basketball is a separate box because they actually make money for their respective schools - they will, and have been, treated differently. But NIL money and its concentration at a limited number of wrestling programs will create a very limited number of "haves" and many "have nots." Once that imbalance becomes the norm, the perennial (limited number of) winners will be identified - as will the non-winners, i.e., the "losers." The supporters of the losers will quickly lose interest and move on to other fandom-interests (it is just our nature as fans) and will most certainly abandon support for minor collegiate sports; PSU and Iowa maybe the kings, but their kingdom will only include four programs - all of the others will have been disbanded/dismantled. Wrestling as we know it will be absorbed by professional MMA-type endeavors and lose their once strong affiliation with specific schools (and their athletic supporters).

Professional sports, e.g., NFL, NBA, etc., only survive because the games' managers ensure that a certain amount of the wealth is spread around to ensure a competitive environment where even losers have chance at success. Collegiate wrestling cannot make the same boast under these current dynamics; repeatedly heading into PSU or Iowa and coming out with one or no wins will lose its competitive appeal to the average fan, and there aren't enough interested billionaire fans to come to the rescue of the uncompetitive teams.

This move away from limited scholarships and toward paying amateur athletes unequal wages is our sport's death knell - and you will see the end of the sport within a decade. Think it can't happen? Remember collegiate boxing? I thought not.

I agree!