What if the State Series looked like this?

[rmk12175]

Yes Handles.
3 Divisions A, AA, and AAA
8 Sections for each division
Weekend I
Team Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Team Section champs go to state giving you an eight team bracket at state.
Weekend II
Individual Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Top two per weight go to state giving you a sixteen man bracket.
The following Thursday: Team Tournament, all divisions.
The following Friday/Saturday: Individual tournament, all divisions.

Considering the actual enrollment difference is the greatest between D1 schools (I can't remember the exact WIAA cut off, but about 750 students on the low end up to some schools with over 2200, dropping a few more D1 schools into D2 and D3 to more/less even them out might not be bad. They don't have to be exactly the same, but having

Some people hate to even dare to look at the comparisons, but for many years now, MN has been doing 8 Sectional tournaments (called Sections) in in each division. There are a few less schools in MN with wrestling (but more wrestlers per school). Each Sectional has about 11-14 teams, using 16 man brackets with each Sectional sending top 2 (16 kids) to state. 16 man brackets at State, 8 mats. Works out pretty nicely.

Best and easiest way to do things.

Plus add in the seeding Minnesota does and crash, bang Wisconsin has a great state series!

I really think this would solve some of Wisconsin's issues. The team state series would be fixed. You would not be wasting time with regionals anymore. There were quite a few this year that were not impressive. I think the best case would be 4 sectionals for all divisions and 4 qualifiers from each sectional go to state. Would have to run it similar to D2 NCAA Super Regionals where there is a wrestleback for 4th place.

I really think we need to take a look at the seeding again. I feel that sectional champions should be rewarded and they were not this year. How does Minnesota seed their tournament?

How does MN determine Team Sectional participants?

[littleguy301]

Yes Handles.
3 Divisions A, AA, and AAA
8 Sections for each division
Weekend I
Team Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Team Section champs go to state giving you an eight team bracket at state.
Weekend II
Individual Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Top two per weight go to state giving you a sixteen man bracket.
The following Thursday: Team Tournament, all divisions.
The following Friday/Saturday: Individual tournament, all divisions.

Considering the actual enrollment difference is the greatest between D1 schools (I can't remember the exact WIAA cut off, but about 750 students on the low end up to some schools with over 2200, dropping a few more D1 schools into D2 and D3 to more/less even them out might not be bad. They don't have to be exactly the same, but having

Some people hate to even dare to look at the comparisons, but for many years now, MN has been doing 8 Sectional tournaments (called Sections) in in each division. There are a few less schools in MN with wrestling (but more wrestlers per school). Each Sectional has about 11-14 teams, using 16 man brackets with each Sectional sending top 2 (16 kids) to state. 16 man brackets at State, 8 mats. Works out pretty nicely.

Best and easiest way to do things.

Plus add in the seeding Minnesota does and crash, bang Wisconsin has a great state series!

I really think this would solve some of Wisconsin's issues. The team state series would be fixed. You would not be wasting time with regionals anymore. There were quite a few this year that were not impressive. I think the best case would be 4 sectionals for all divisions and 4 qualifiers from each sectional go to state. Would have to run it similar to D2 NCAA Super Regionals where there is a wrestleback for 4th place.

I really think we need to take a look at the seeding again. I feel that sectional champions should be rewarded and they were not this year. How does Minnesota seed their tournament?

Yes I do think it would work.

During the season their is a point system in Minnesota. Teams/individual with the most points get the best seeds. This system promotes wrestling good competition and not FF. Pretty easy to do and leaves little doubt who the top kids are and teams.

I will,say there is always problems but seems to me alot less problems than Wisconsin is having plus their system has been in place for some time now. They have kind of worked the bugs out.

[Handles II]

Yes Handles.
3 Divisions A, AA, and AAA
8 Sections for each division
Weekend I
Team Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Team Section champs go to state giving you an eight team bracket at state.
Weekend II
Individual Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Top two per weight go to state giving you a sixteen man bracket.
The following Thursday: Team Tournament, all divisions.
The following Friday/Saturday: Individual tournament, all divisions.

Considering the actual enrollment difference is the greatest between D1 schools (I can't remember the exact WIAA cut off, but about 750 students on the low end up to some schools with over 2200, dropping a few more D1 schools into D2 and D3 to more/less even them out might not be bad. They don't have to be exactly the same, but having

Some people hate to even dare to look at the comparisons, but for many years now, MN has been doing 8 Sectional tournaments (called Sections) in in each division. There are a few less schools in MN with wrestling (but more wrestlers per school). Each Sectional has about 11-14 teams, using 16 man brackets with each Sectional sending top 2 (16 kids) to state. 16 man brackets at State, 8 mats. Works out pretty nicely.

Best and easiest way to do things.

Plus add in the seeding Minnesota does and crash, bang Wisconsin has a great state series!

I really think this would solve some of Wisconsin's issues. The team state series would be fixed. You would not be wasting time with regionals anymore. There were quite a few this year that were not impressive. I think the best case would be 4 sectionals for all divisions and 4 qualifiers from each sectional go to state. Would have to run it similar to D2 NCAA Super Regionals where there is a wrestleback for 4th place.

I really think we need to take a look at the seeding again. I feel that sectional champions should be rewarded and they were not this year. How does Minnesota seed their tournament?

How does MN determine Team Sectional participants?

They wrestle a dual team Sectional tournament. Top dual team from each Sectional goes to State. Not all Sectionals do it exactly the same regarding days of the week. Way up north, because some teams are 4 or more hours apart, they do sort of a east/west meet on a Tuesday, top 4 teams meet 1Wvs 2E/1E vs 2W on friday or saturday for the semi and finals.

[Chedd]

I really think we need to take a look at the seeding again. I feel that sectional champions should be rewarded and they were not this year.

I would be all for this if we went the super sectional route, seeding the 4 sectional champs in the top 4. Right now it is way too random with 8 sectionals and only 16 teams per sectional in d1. A 23-15 sectional champ with an easy sectional shouldn't get seeded over a sectional runner-up from another sectional with a much better resume that happens to have one of the top kids in the state in the same sectional. Seeding the sectional champs 1-8 and then the runner ups 9-16 would create a lot more questionable matchups in the quarterfinals then going the super sectional route, seeding the sectional champs 1-4 and seeding everybody else 5-16.

[MNbadger]

Yes Handles.
3 Divisions A, AA, and AAA
8 Sections for each division
Weekend I
Team Sections(dual format).  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Team Section champs go to state giving you an eight team bracket at state.
Weekend II
Individual Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Top two per weight go to state giving you a sixteen man bracket.
The following Thursday: Team Tournament, all divisions.
The following Friday/Saturday: Individual tournament, all divisions.

Yes Handles.
3 Divisions A, AA, and AAA
8 Sections for each division
Weekend I
Team Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Team Section champs go to state giving you an eight team bracket at state.
Weekend II
Individual Sections.  Some sections are one day, others are two days.  Top two per weight go to state giving you a sixteen man bracket.
The following Thursday: Team Tournament, all divisions.
The following Friday/Saturday: Individual tournament, all divisions.

Considering the actual enrollment difference is the greatest between D1 schools (I can't remember the exact WIAA cut off, but about 750 students on the low end up to some schools with over 2200, dropping a few more D1 schools into D2 and D3 to more/less even them out might not be bad. They don't have to be exactly the same, but having

Some people hate to even dare to look at the comparisons, but for many years now, MN has been doing 8 Sectional tournaments (called Sections) in in each division. There are a few less schools in MN with wrestling (but more wrestlers per school). Each Sectional has about 11-14 teams, using 16 man brackets with each Sectional sending top 2 (16 kids) to state. 16 man brackets at State, 8 mats. Works out pretty nicely.

Best and easiest way to do things.

Plus add in the seeding Minnesota does and crash, bang Wisconsin has a great state series!

I really think this would solve some of Wisconsin's issues. The team state series would be fixed. You would not be wasting time with regionals anymore. There were quite a few this year that were not impressive. I think the best case would be 4 sectionals for all divisions and 4 qualifiers from each sectional go to state. Would have to run it similar to D2 NCAA Super Regionals where there is a wrestleback for 4th place.

I really think we need to take a look at the seeding again. I feel that sectional champions should be rewarded and they were not this year. How does Minnesota seed their tournament?

How does MN determine Team Sectional participants?