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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2021, 03:45:35 PM »
Don't see the Badgers cracking the top 10 for along time. Most blue chips go to Iowa, Penn. St., Okla. St... Big 10 is the best wrestling conference in the Country!
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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2021, 04:33:59 PM »
Don't see the Badgers cracking the top 10 for along time. Most blue chips go to Iowa, Penn. St., Okla. St... Big 10 is the best wrestling conference in the Country!

This a bit of a strange take. The Badgers were certainly very likely to be in the top ten last year. As far as the blue chips. Of the  currently committed top 10 High School wrestlers #1 and #3 are going to Penn State, #2 is going to Ohio St, #4 to AZ St, #7 to WI, #9 to Iowa and #10 to Lehigh. Of the 2020 top 10. #1 to WI, #2 to Mizzou, #3 to Iowa, #4 and #7 to Penn St, #5 to UNC, #6 to VA Tech, #8 to Cornell, #9 to Mich St and #10 to OK St. Penn St certainly has a leg up but beyond that the talent seems to be spread around.

Tough to say what things are going to look like with next year with extra eligibility and all the transfers but I would not think top ten is out of the realm of possibility. Three returning AA’s, last years #1 and many other new faces. I think it would make sense to let things play out a bit before making that declaration.

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2021, 05:04:23 PM »
Looking at 165 next year, it has a chance to be absolutely stacked:

Wick
Marinelli
Lewis (former NCAA champ, as tough as anyone if healthy)
Griffith (former NCAA champ)
O'Toole (took 3rd as true freshman, picked apart Valencia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpqC1nbluJc)
Carson Kharchla (had some great wins prior to injury..will be very tough on his feet for anyone)
Facundo, or whoever PSU puts out at 165
Wittlake
Smith
Amine

Even with an improved Wick, I would be curious how he will stack up against Marinelli, Lewis, Griffith, Kharchla, and O'Toole.  That is some serious talent.  It would hard to be upset if he finished 5th or 6th when you look at the other wrestlers.

I have watched Wick quite a bit during this season and he looks dramatically different to me. I would not expect him to take a back seat to anyone on that list and I would be shocked if a healthy EW was in the 5th place match next year.


Just so I understand, since you would be shocked if he was wrestling for 5th, which of these wrestlers would you be shocked if he lost to? Marinelli, Lewis, Griffith, Kharchla, O'Toole

My post was not meant to be negative at all as I am very high on Wick, just noting the talent next year will be extremely good. 

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2021, 05:11:49 PM »
The path will be dificult and challenging for the Badgers to lift a trophy in 2022. 

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2021, 05:43:21 PM »
The path will be dificult and challenging for the Badgers to lift a trophy in 2022.

It will be difficult every year.  The Badgers may not be a favorite for a trophy entering NCAAs any of the next five years.  That does not mean it cannot happen.

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2021, 06:06:06 PM »
Looking at 165 next year, it has a chance to be absolutely stacked:

Wick
Marinelli
Lewis (former NCAA champ, as tough as anyone if healthy)
Griffith (former NCAA champ)
O'Toole (took 3rd as true freshman, picked apart Valencia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpqC1nbluJc)
Carson Kharchla (had some great wins prior to injury..will be very tough on his feet for anyone)
Facundo, or whoever PSU puts out at 165
Wittlake
Smith
Amine

Even with an improved Wick, I would be curious how he will stack up against Marinelli, Lewis, Griffith, Kharchla, and O'Toole.  That is some serious talent.  It would hard to be upset if he finished 5th or 6th when you look at the other wrestlers.

I have watched Wick quite a bit during this season and he looks dramatically different to me. I would not expect him to take a back seat to anyone on that list and I would be shocked if a healthy EW was in the 5th place match next year.


Just so I understand, since you would be shocked if he was wrestling for 5th, which of these wrestlers would you be shocked if he lost to? Marinelli, Lewis, Griffith, Kharchla, O'Toole

My post was not meant to be negative at all as I am very high on Wick, just noting the talent next year will be extremely good.

Certainly was not insinuating that you were being negative. Just giving an assessment of the improvement I have seen from Evan.

Wouldn’t necessarily be shocked if he lost to any of them but you do not wrestle all of them (you can only wrestle 1 finalist) and he would have to lose to 2 of them to be in the 5th place match. They are all very good but if I was predicting next year I would probably put Wick, Kharchla and Lewis (if the latter 2 fully recover from their injuries) in the first tier and the other 3 right behind them. A lot of this is based on what I have seen from Kharchla and how much better Evan looks now. His movement and attacks on his feet look completely different. You combine that with his counter wrestling and top abilities and I think he will be a terror next year. No matter how you slice it, I 100% agree with you it is a brutal weight class and on a par or better than 165 was 2018-2019 and 2019-2020.


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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2021, 10:26:14 PM »
? 2024 ?
125-Barnett, 3rd=16 (assuming he takes a 5th year)
133-Burwick, 5th=12
141-Recruit/Transfer Target (class 22)
149-Zargo, Rd12=4
157-Cole Carroll
165-Hamiti, 3rd=16
174-Otto, Rd24=1.5
184-Calhoun, Rd16=2.5
197-Amos, 1st=24
285-Copass, 8th=6.5
82.5 Points, 5 AA, 8Q  - There is a realistic path to get there!
Looking at the Class of 22 Commitment list, Bucky hasn’t had any commits yet.  Looking at the 22 Big Board, there are still many light/middle weights available.  Optimistically, lets hope Bono and Co. can land another top recruit and potentially a transfer and make this happen.

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2021, 03:24:28 PM »
Willie has Hamiti projected at #11 next year for 157 and Amos at #5 for 197.
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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2021, 06:50:33 PM »
Here is what I think for a realistic projection for 2022 if things go good.
125-Barnett, 8th=6.5
133-Burwick, Rd16=2.5
141-Dentino/Escobar (no qualifier)
149-Scharenbrock/Zargo, Rd24=1.5
157-Model, Rd24=1.5
165-Wick, 4th=14
174-Dow/Calhoun, (no qualifier)
184-Weiler, 7th=8
197-Amos, 3rd=16
285-Hilger, 5th=12
62 total point which gets just inside top 10

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2021, 09:01:52 PM »
Here is what I think for a realistic projection for 2022 if things go good.
125-Barnett, 8th=6.5
133-Burwick, Rd16=2.5
141-Dentino/Escobar (no qualifier)
149-Scharenbrock/Zargo, Rd24=1.5
157-Model, Rd24=1.5
165-Wick, 4th=14
174-Dow/Calhoun, (no qualifier)
184-Weiler, 7th=8
197-Amos, 3rd=16
285-Hilger, 5th=12
62 total point which gets just inside top 10

That looks achievable. Let's hope!

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2021, 08:56:05 PM »
Badgers are getting closer!  McNally in the mix helps!  Can't wait to see Zargo, Hamiti, and Amos this weekend.  Might give some insight to potential for NCAA points next year too?
125-Barnett, 8th=6.5
133-Burwick, Rd16=2.5
141-Dentino/Escobar (possibly Zargo???)
149-Scharenbrock, Rd24=1.5
157-Model, Rd24=1.5 (possibly Hamiti???)
165-Wick, 4th=14
174-McNally, 7th=8
184-Weiler, 7th=8
197-Amos, 3rd=16
285-Hilger, 5th=12
70 total points, without Zargo/Hamiti

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2021, 10:44:48 PM »
Badgers are getting closer!  McNally in the mix helps!  Can't wait to see Zargo, Hamiti, and Amos this weekend.  Might give some insight to potential for NCAA points next year too?
125-Barnett, 8th=6.5
133-Burwick, Rd16=2.5
141-Dentino/Escobar (possibly Zargo???)
149-Scharenbrock, Rd24=1.5
157-Model, Rd24=1.5 (possibly Hamiti???)
165-Wick, 4th=14
174-McNally, 7th=8
184-Weiler, 7th=8
197-Amos, 3rd=16
285-Hilger, 5th=12
70 total points, without Zargo/Hamiti

6 AA! That would be awesome! Has there ever been a Badger team that had 6 AA?
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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2021, 09:42:56 AM »
2010 was the most recent year in which the Badgers took fourth and got a trophy and they did that with 7 qualifiers and four place winners (https://uwbadgers.com/documents/2015/10/26//Wrestling_2009_finalrelease.pdf?id=18025). Way back in 1970s I believe the Badgers took fourth on two occasions as well, but that may not be applicable in today's competitive and relatively more concentrated-pool-of-talent environment. But that 2010 team wasn't something everybody was all excited about; good, but no chatter about pressing for a top four finish. I guess my point is that a good solid push by a handful of guys can get to a trophy - the line up doesn't have to be stacked with super heroes.
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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2021, 10:16:15 AM »
Next year will be stacked at a lot of weights.  The guys who are low AA potential on a typical year will have a few more guys to battle to AA because of the extra year everyone has. 

I sure hope it happens, but I think a lot of things would have to fall right to have Barnett, McNally, and Weiler all AA.  There will be some studs at 125, 174, and 184 that they will all have to deal with this year that did not wrestle last year due to COVID/Olympics.

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Re: Badgers Path to Team Trophy
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2021, 11:08:56 AM »
Update - (if WI lands Gomez & Hamiti starts)
125-Barnett, 8th=6.5
133-Burwick, Rd16=2.5
141-Gomez, 7th=8
149-Scharenbrock/Zargo, Rd24=1.5
157-Model, Rd24=1.5
165-Hamiti, Rd16=2.5
174-McNally, 7th=8
184-Weiler, 7th=8
197-Amos, 3rd=16
285-Hilger, 5th=12
66.5 total point, solid chance getting inside top 10

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