Barry Davis

[Wisconsin Wrestling Fan]

Official Announcement

http://uwbadgers.com/news/2018/3/5/wisconsin-wrestling-coach-barry-davis-resigns.aspx

[Barou]

As to the natural recruiting base, let's circle back.

Here's every wrestler I could find from Wisconsin, on a Division 1 roster. (I did this a while back):

Wyoming - Ben Hornicle - Backup
Wyoming - Dewey Krueger - Spot Starter

Ohio State - Dylan Koontz - Redshirting
Ohio State - Brady Koontz - Redshirting
Ohio State - Fritz Schierl - Spot Starter; Success in Opens

Iowa - Jeremiah Moody - Backup
Iowa - Tristan McDonald - Backup

Northwestern - Jason Ipsarides - Backup

South Dakota State - Anders Lantz - Redshirting

Minnesota - Hunter Marko - Starter, (5-9) @ 149, Injured?
Minnesota - Dylan Anderson - Spot Starter
Minnesota - Dalton Lunde - Backup

Northern Illinois - Jose Acosta - Redshirting

Army - Bennett Paulsen - Redshirting

Missouri - Jake Raschka - Redshirting; Success in Opens

Fresno State - Jackson Hemauer - Redshirting

Pittsburgh - Robert Lee - Starter, (5-6) @ 149; Career (31-36)

Central Michigan - Newton Smerchek - Not HWT Starter?; NCAA Qual 2016-17
Central Michigan - Brock Bergelin - Redshirting

Eastern Michigan - Mason Kauffman - Redshirting

Nebraska - Beau Breske - Starter, (9-4) @ 174

Purdue - Ben Thornton - Starter, (19-7) @ 133
Purdue - Jacob Morrissey - Starter, (16-11) @ 165

North Dakota State - Jaden Van Maanen - Redshirting
North Dakota State - Paul Bianchi - Starter, (18-9) @ 125
North Dakota State - August Peplinski - Backup
North Dakota State - Mitch Freidman - Backup

Wisconsin - Andrew Crone - Starter, (17-7) @ 157; (29-13) NCAA Qual as RS JR
Wisconsin - Cole Martin - Spot Starter; 7th @ Big Tens + NCAA Qual as RS FR
Wisconsin - Jens Lantz - Starter, (14-8) @ 133; Spot Starter as RS FR & RS SO
Wisconsin - Eric Peissig - Backup; Starter @ 197, RS SO season
Wisconsin - Mason Reinhardt - Backup; Spot Starter as RS FR, Success in Opens
Wisconsin - Jared Scharenbrock - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO
Wisconsin - Jake Stilling - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO & RS JR
Wisconsin - Gabe Grahek - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO
Wisconsin - Devin Bahr - Redshirting
Wisconsin - Garrett Model - Redshirting
Wisconsin - Patrick Spray - Backup
Wisconsin - Brady Wetter - Backup

Now, here's a list of Wisconsin-based wrestlers who have qualified for the NCAA tournament:

North Dakota State - Paul Bianchi - Starter, (18-9) @ 125
Wisconsin - Andrew Crone - Starter, (17-7) @ 157; (29-13) NCAA Qual as RS JR
Wisconsin - Cole Martin - Spot Starter; 7th @ Big Tens + NCAA Qual as RS FR

It isn't pretty.

Seriously, have you beaten the dead horse enough?  I don't recall one poster indicating that Wisconsin is a hot bed for D1 talent.  Over and over again the examples were the Barry Davis misses with national champions and Hodge trophy winners out of Wisconsin over the years.  Everybody on this forum knows if UW relied only on Wisconsin talent that Barry's 18th place national average would be even worse.  He needed to recruit the RIGHT Wisconsin talent not MORE. 

[wrastle63]

As to the natural recruiting base, let's circle back.

Here's every wrestler I could find from Wisconsin, on a Division 1 roster. (I did this a while back):

Wyoming - Ben Hornicle - Backup
Wyoming - Dewey Krueger - Spot Starter

Ohio State - Dylan Koontz - Redshirting
Ohio State - Brady Koontz - Redshirting
Ohio State - Fritz Schierl - Spot Starter; Success in Opens

Iowa - Jeremiah Moody - Backup
Iowa - Tristan McDonald - Backup

Northwestern - Jason Ipsarides - Backup

South Dakota State - Anders Lantz - Redshirting

Minnesota - Hunter Marko - Starter, (5-9) @ 149, Injured?
Minnesota - Dylan Anderson - Spot Starter
Minnesota - Dalton Lunde - Backup

Northern Illinois - Jose Acosta - Redshirting

Army - Bennett Paulsen - Redshirting

Missouri - Jake Raschka - Redshirting; Success in Opens

Fresno State - Jackson Hemauer - Redshirting

Pittsburgh - Robert Lee - Starter, (5-6) @ 149; Career (31-36)

Central Michigan - Newton Smerchek - Not HWT Starter?; NCAA Qual 2016-17
Central Michigan - Brock Bergelin - Redshirting

Eastern Michigan - Mason Kauffman - Redshirting

Nebraska - Beau Breske - Starter, (9-4) @ 174

Purdue - Ben Thornton - Starter, (19-7) @ 133
Purdue - Jacob Morrissey - Starter, (16-11) @ 165

North Dakota State - Jaden Van Maanen - Redshirting
North Dakota State - Paul Bianchi - Starter, (18-9) @ 125
North Dakota State - August Peplinski - Backup
North Dakota State - Mitch Freidman - Backup

Wisconsin - Andrew Crone - Starter, (17-7) @ 157; (29-13) NCAA Qual as RS JR
Wisconsin - Cole Martin - Spot Starter; 7th @ Big Tens + NCAA Qual as RS FR
Wisconsin - Jens Lantz - Starter, (14-8) @ 133; Spot Starter as RS FR & RS SO
Wisconsin - Eric Peissig - Backup; Starter @ 197, RS SO season
Wisconsin - Mason Reinhardt - Backup; Spot Starter as RS FR, Success in Opens
Wisconsin - Jared Scharenbrock - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO
Wisconsin - Jake Stilling - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO & RS JR
Wisconsin - Gabe Grahek - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO
Wisconsin - Devin Bahr - Redshirting
Wisconsin - Garrett Model - Redshirting
Wisconsin - Patrick Spray - Backup
Wisconsin - Brady Wetter - Backup

Now, here's a list of Wisconsin-based wrestlers who have qualified for the NCAA tournament:

North Dakota State - Paul Bianchi - Starter, (18-9) @ 125
Wisconsin - Andrew Crone - Starter, (17-7) @ 157; (29-13) NCAA Qual as RS JR
Wisconsin - Cole Martin - Spot Starter; 7th @ Big Tens + NCAA Qual as RS FR

It isn't pretty.

Seriously, have you beaten the dead horse enough?  I don't recall one poster indicating that Wisconsin is a hot bed for D1 talent.  Over and over again the examples were the Barry Davis misses with national champions and Hodge trophy winners out of Wisconsin over the years.  Everybody on this forum knows if UW relied only on Wisconsin talent that Barry's 18th place national average would be even worse.  He needed to recruit the RIGHT Wisconsin talent not MORE. 

+100000000

[factfinder]

As to the natural recruiting base, let's circle back.

Here's every wrestler I could find from Wisconsin, on a Division 1 roster. (I did this a while back):

Wyoming - Ben Hornicle - Backup
Wyoming - Dewey Krueger - Spot Starter

Ohio State - Dylan Koontz - Redshirting
Ohio State - Brady Koontz - Redshirting
Ohio State - Fritz Schierl - Spot Starter; Success in Opens

Iowa - Jeremiah Moody - Backup
Iowa - Tristan McDonald - Backup

Northwestern - Jason Ipsarides - Backup

South Dakota State - Anders Lantz - Redshirting

Minnesota - Hunter Marko - Starter, (5-9) @ 149, Injured?
Minnesota - Dylan Anderson - Spot Starter
Minnesota - Dalton Lunde - Backup

Northern Illinois - Jose Acosta - Redshirting

Army - Bennett Paulsen - Redshirting

Missouri - Jake Raschka - Redshirting; Success in Opens

Fresno State - Jackson Hemauer - Redshirting

Pittsburgh - Robert Lee - Starter, (5-6) @ 149; Career (31-36)

Central Michigan - Newton Smerchek - Not HWT Starter?; NCAA Qual 2016-17
Central Michigan - Brock Bergelin - Redshirting

Eastern Michigan - Mason Kauffman - Redshirting

Nebraska - Beau Breske - Starter, (9-4) @ 174

Purdue - Ben Thornton - Starter, (19-7) @ 133
Purdue - Jacob Morrissey - Starter, (16-11) @ 165

North Dakota State - Jaden Van Maanen - Redshirting
North Dakota State - Paul Bianchi - Starter, (18-9) @ 125
North Dakota State - August Peplinski - Backup
North Dakota State - Mitch Freidman - Backup

Wisconsin - Andrew Crone - Starter, (17-7) @ 157; (29-13) NCAA Qual as RS JR
Wisconsin - Cole Martin - Spot Starter; 7th @ Big Tens + NCAA Qual as RS FR
Wisconsin - Jens Lantz - Starter, (14-8) @ 133; Spot Starter as RS FR & RS SO
Wisconsin - Eric Peissig - Backup; Starter @ 197, RS SO season
Wisconsin - Mason Reinhardt - Backup; Spot Starter as RS FR, Success in Opens
Wisconsin - Jared Scharenbrock - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO
Wisconsin - Jake Stilling - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO & RS JR
Wisconsin - Gabe Grahek - Backup; Spot Starter as RS SO
Wisconsin - Devin Bahr - Redshirting
Wisconsin - Garrett Model - Redshirting
Wisconsin - Patrick Spray - Backup
Wisconsin - Brady Wetter - Backup

Now, here's a list of Wisconsin-based wrestlers who have qualified for the NCAA tournament:

North Dakota State - Paul Bianchi - Starter, (18-9) @ 125
Wisconsin - Andrew Crone - Starter, (17-7) @ 157; (29-13) NCAA Qual as RS JR
Wisconsin - Cole Martin - Spot Starter; 7th @ Big Tens + NCAA Qual as RS FR

It isn't pretty.

Great data.
It has to be a coach that can recruit out of state.

Bono, Bono, Bono just dreaming it will never happen.

[GradeTough]

What about Kolat? Think UW has enough to lure him away from Campbell?

[jchap]

What about Kolat? Think UW has enough to lure him away from Campbell?

The last time Kolat coached at UW he left in the middle of the season without telling anyone.

[wrestlemania]

Somewhat surprising, figured he coach one or two more seasons.

Godspeed Barry Davis, B1G Ten Champion, NCAA Champion, Olympic Medalist. Winningest dual meet head coach in school history. National Coach of the Year. These are all facts and no one can take them away from you. You ran as clean program, the students athletes graduated and they were good kids. For what little UW spent in wrestling and allowed to take place with the program, it wasn't a bad investment considering he took over a program in utter shambles and under an onerous NCAA probation. You did no worse and in some cases better than your predecessors.

Now, you want Penn State and Ohio State results? Open your wallets not your big mouths. That's if the UWAD lets you. As I said, the best teams in college wrestling are heavily and primarily booster funded. Unfortunately the UWAD is in control of the fundraising and may never well let happen what a group of Penn State boosters did and pool their money and hire Cael Sanderson away from Iowa State. Keep that in mind.

And please drop the whole Askren campaign. It's not going to happen and even if it did it would cause more trouble than its worth. There's no reason for Barry Alvarez to go down that road and really, no reason for Askren to even apply for the job. He can say what he wants but to any objective outside observer he's not going to give up his businesses or any future in Ultimate Fighting to be told he can only have 32 kids on the squad or that the team can't sell season tickets.

And any coach from the outside is probably going to ask for at least $150,000-$200,000 and maybe more. That may well be UW's maximum range if that and it limits who is going to be interested.

Therefore, Brandvold, in my judgement, is the No. 1 candidate to be the next head wrestling coach at the University of Wisconsin. I may be wrong and certainly there will a search process given the job has to be posted for 30 days. But I doubt you're going to get a deep pool of candidates.

"He needed to recruit the RIGHT Wisconsin talent."

Oh, the right talent. Okay. You know how many three and four-time state high school wrestling champions have been in this program and have won exactly ZERO NCAA titles? Please tell me how you define the "right" talent.

[GradeTough]

What about Kolat? Think UW has enough to lure him away from Campbell?

The last time Kolat coached at UW he left in the middle of the season without telling anyone.

Ouch!

[AZKing]

Sorry but D3 and D2 WIAA state champs no matter how many times just don't cut it at the next level.

[Badgerdad]

For many of you popping the cork with Barry's departure, just keep in mind, many of the wrestlers on the team are not feeling your sentiments.

[1Iota]

Sorry but D3 and D2 WIAA state champs no matter how many times just don't cut it at the next level.

I don't know that you can make this blanket statement.  It depends on the individual wrestler.  The reality is that D-1 college coaches don't care what a kid does at the State level.  They are watching what they are doing at the national level.  There is a reason every coach in the Country is at Fargo.  Hunter Marko was recruited based on what he did on the national scene, not because of his State titles.

[wrastle63]

For many of you popping the cork with Barry's departure, just keep in mind, many of the wrestlers on the team are not feeling your sentiments.

This is for sure the negative of the whole situation!

[hasbeen]

Sorry but D3 and D2 WIAA state champs no matter how many times just don’t cut it at the next level.

Now, here's a list of Wisconsin-based wrestlers who have qualified for the NCAA tournament:

North Dakota State - Paul Bianchi - Starter, (18-9) @ 125
Wisconsin - Andrew Crone - Starter, (17-7) @ 157; (29-13) NCAA Qual as RS JR
Wisconsin - Cole Martin - Spot Starter; 7th @ Big Tens + NCAA Qual as RS FR

Hmmm??? Aren't these 2 guys D2 and D3?

There hasn't necessarily been a pipeline for NCAA Div I All Americans over the last several years out of any divisions of Wis high schools, but to say a D2 or D3 state champs "don't cut it" is a little ignorant. It would be more accurate to say being a Wisconsin High School state champ on it's own at any size school is not enough to cut it at the next level. They all need to show they can compete at the national level.

[1Iota]

For many of you popping the cork with Barry's departure, just keep in mind, many of the wrestlers on the team are not feeling your sentiments.

Rarely is a coaching change popular with the current members of the roster.  You can't make a change based on their opinion.

My question is what changed to cause the athletic department to move in this direction.  Clearly this was not Barry Davis's decision. 

[GradeTough]

For many of you popping the cork with Barry's departure, just keep in mind, many of the wrestlers on the team are not feeling your sentiments.

No one wants the kids to suffer, that is for sure. The hope is that it will be great for everyone (parents, kids, spectators) with a fresh start.