Pulling Spencer Lee’s Redshirt?

leg turk · January 06, 2018, 11:13:35 AM

Right decision?

Wouldn't he get more out of learning in a college wrestling room for a year, get stronger, more knowledge? Its not like its going to win them a National championship even if he wins the whole thing.

Ghetto · January 06, 2018, 01:51:39 PM

But he personally is in the mix for his own title.

mkm13 · January 06, 2018, 03:55:44 PM

I think it is good that he is not redshirting. He is ready to compete for a title now. There are only 9.9 scholarships, and I would assume he is getting close to a full scholarship. If he can compete for a title now, why have the scholarship doing nothing?

I think there are 5 to 10 kids a year that fall into this category. Would be great if UW could get one at some point.

The bigger question I think would be why bring in someone like Downey with his history? I think brands was feeling a little pressure, considering the high expectations at Iowa. If Lee redshirted and they did not bring in Downey, a 6th to 10h place finish would have been pretty likely.

Jimmy · January 07, 2018, 12:19:21 AM

Great point jw, a body can only handle so many matches. Who knows how many lee has already had.He has had some health issues already and battling Gilman,Clark ,.McDonough ,Tom and terry on a daily basis is not gonna extend his career.

fightfightfight · January 07, 2018, 12:36:58 PM

It may have to do with the fact that he may likely take an Olympic redshirt for 2020 anyways.

leg turk · January 07, 2018, 03:30:21 PM

Hmmm, I thought I read somewhere that wrestlers body's peak at age 28. How old is Burroughs and Taylor already? You think they are over the hill already?

Jimmy · January 07, 2018, 06:49:47 PM

A males physical peak may indeed be 28 .with the amount of matches wrestled in a yr. now days I believe the physical wear and tare has brought a wrestlers peak down from that

imnofish · January 07, 2018, 09:56:20 PM

Quote from: Jimmy on January 07, 2018, 06:49:47 PM
A males physical peak may indeed be 28 .with the amount of matches wrestled in a yr. now days I believe the physical wear and tare has brought a wrestlers peak down from that

Great point. Lots of wear and tear...

Barou · January 08, 2018, 09:15:19 AM

Quote from: fightfightfight on January 07, 2018, 12:36:58 PM
It may have to do with the fact that he may likely take an Olympic redshirt for 2020 anyways.

Curious why you think that would matter? He can take both a regular RS and an Olympic RS if he wanted to.

wrastle63 · January 08, 2018, 09:49:37 AM

With his injury history it is a smart choice not to take it. If he blows out his knee again part way through a season then he has his redshirt available.

leg turk · January 08, 2018, 09:52:26 AM

Quote from: wrastle63 on January 08, 2018, 09:49:37 AM
With his injury history it is a smart choice not to take it. If he blows out his knee again part way through a season then he has his redshirt available.

Wouldn't that fall under the Medical redshirt area?

Razor Ramon · January 09, 2018, 08:58:32 AM

The only reason a bluechip recruit gets his redshirt status pulled is because his coach thinks he can win a national championship. There is no grey area on this. In Spencer Lee's case he will be a true contender at the NCAA's, just as the Penn State coaches thought Mark Hall was going to be last year.

In the last 5 years we have started to see some "Once in a lifetime type wrestlers" come out of the US. Snyder, Hall, Lee, and Fix are just the beginning. When coaches are able to land these types of wrestlers, and only have a average option at best in that spot, they will call them up.

MNbadger · January 09, 2018, 09:26:40 AM

You make hay when the sun shines. No reason to red shirt when you can compete. You never know what will happen. Dustin Schlatter won it as a freshman and did not do as well after that. There sre other examples.

bigG · January 09, 2018, 10:14:24 AM

Quote from: Razor Ramon on January 09, 2018, 08:58:32 AM
The only reason a bluechip recruit gets his redshirt status pulled is because his coach thinks he can win a national championship. There is no grey area on this. In Spencer Lee's case he will be a true contender at the NCAA's, just as the Penn State coaches thought Mark Hall was going to be last year.

In the last 5 years we have started to see some "Once in a lifetime type wrestlers" come out of the US. Snyder, Hall, Lee, and Fix are just the beginning. When coaches are able to land these types of wrestlers, and only have a average option at best in that spot, they will call them up.

I'll be nice about this, Razor. No grey area? I'd beg to differ. Ooooodles of examples exist of pulling the RS to help the team out. No chance of a national title, the team had an injury and needed the RS to step up. Other reasons exist beyond the "you got a shot to win the big one, kid."

We have seen some amazing athletes do just as you said. Superstars. Many other redshirts get pulled for reasons other than the hopes, and realistic potential of winning, a national championship.

Reminds me of the student who protects their A's to the point of risking missing out on growth because the grades are more important than the growth. Seems to be a philosophical position that, sooner or later, bites the believer in the tail.

Barou · January 09, 2018, 12:16:01 PM

Quote from: bigG on January 09, 2018, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: Razor Ramon on January 09, 2018, 08:58:32 AM
The only reason a bluechip recruit gets his redshirt status pulled is because his coach thinks he can win a national championship. There is no grey area on this. In Spencer Lee's case he will be a true contender at the NCAA's, just as the Penn State coaches thought Mark Hall was going to be last year.

In the last 5 years we have started to see some "Once in a lifetime type wrestlers" come out of the US. Snyder, Hall, Lee, and Fix are just the beginning. When coaches are able to land these types of wrestlers, and only have a average option at best in that spot, they will call them up.

I'll be nice about this, Razor. No grey area? I'd beg to differ. Ooooodles of examples exist of pulling the RS to help the team out. No chance of a national title, the team had an injury and needed the RS to step up. Other reasons exist beyond the "you got a shot to win the big one, kid."

We have seen some amazing athletes do just as you said. Superstars. Many other redshirts get pulled for reasons other than the hopes, and realistic potential of winning, a national championship.

Reminds me of the student who protects their A's to the point of risking missing out on growth because the grades are more important than the growth. Seems to be a philosophical position that, sooner or later, bites the believer in the tail.

Did Barry pull Jimenez's red-shirt his freshman year thinking national title?