Stratford

[Hi-C]

Yep. Would coulda. They have a great team. Let's win one before comparing them to a dynasty, though. Or, go ahead and look like an Ologist; who claims to know many decades worth of wrestling, but just can't predict when this fine team will be cheered against like a dynastic power house.

Hopefully, next year they'll beat Stoughton, and maybe enter the Cheese, so they can keep climbing the ladder. Hope they do. Most of their fans seem cool. Even the best teams have that "wish he'd shut up" guy. Now we know Stratford's.

Im not saying Stoughton aint good cuz they are I'm just saying from what I know (not fact just what I know) is that Stratford is the most domnant team since about 1980 or 1981 from what I know.

yes this is probably the most dominant Stratford team... but not team. You have some teams in the last 20 years that have had 15-20 individual state titles in their team starters.... for example you look at a team someone brings to regionals and count the number of state titles won by that starting line-up some are near 15-20 titles from one team over the career of the starters. The 90's Athens teams, Rapids teams around 2010 I think and L-C in about 2005-2006 are some sick teams. I think the one L-C team only gave up like 30 points in the 4 matches between team section and team state. They placed 11 with 4 champs in one year. To match that Stratford would need to place all 11 they brought.... very possible but I guess we will see. They are a very good team, I have no problem admitting that.

Well they say a sum is greater than all of the parts of a team and Stratford has easily all the parts and all on the same cylinder all firing at once.  We can not agree but I still say thisnStratfordnteam the best from what I know since 1981.

Yes, Statford has a very good team this year, but best team since 1981 is a crazy overstatement.

It's debatable if they are even the best team in the state this season considering they lost to Stoughton and Stoughton is having a better individual state performance.

Many of the Rapids teams were better too than Statford this season. They were constantly in the national rankings. They twice placed top four at the Clash. In 2004, they were ranked top 10 in the country and knocked off the number three ranked team.

Rapids went for years without losing a single in-state dual.

Yes, Stanford is good, but top 10 in the country or top four at the Clash good? Not quite. Plus, they need to win a state title before being proclaimed that good.

[imnofish]

Let's not forget those outstanding Mineral Point teams from the 80's, as long as we are recognizing historical excellence. 

[sled77]

As a huge fan of the Clash I really wish Stratford would have attended the Clash this year.  With a team that strong more national attention would have been great.

[handsandtoes]

 Back in the 90's they had the (I think it was called?) Sorenson dual's in ST. Point where they would invite the best teams in all 3 divisions. Not sure how many years they had them but I know Athens won it when they had it. Athens was ranked 2nd in the nation back then. They were ranked 2nd because they went to the only national tournament there was back then (which was held in Ohio) and Athens took 2nd, missed placing 1st by just a few points. So it wasn't a guess ranking it was based on where they placed in the national tournament. The tournament was an invitation only of the best teams in the entire country. Again no guess work. There are and have been a lot of great teams from WI through the years and will be many more to come, but when you are comparing "the best of all time" Anyone else ever been ranked 2nd in the nation? 

[thequad]

LC 2005 State results:

Adam Zehren 103 Q

Brian Barbiaux 112 Champ

Eric Metzler 119 Champ

Zac Cibula 130 Champ

Eric Enderby 135 Champ

Zach Enderby 140 4th

Brad Zellner 145 5th

Dennis Reckelberg 160 3rd

Brett Arendt 171 4th

Jon Treml 189 2nd

Alex Cornette 275 5th

This may be one of the best team performances ever at state ever?

2005 Sectional Luxemburg-Casco 75 Seymour 6

Luxemburg-Casco 49 Osceola 15

State Luxemburg-Casco 64 Lomira 6

Luxemburg-Casco 62 Adams-Friendship 14

Also won a tournament at Apple  Valley by 30 points!

I think this team would have given Straford a real run for their money!

[foose4]

LC 2005 State results:

Adam Zehren 103 Q

Brian Barbiaux 112 Champ

Eric Metzler 119 Champ

Zac Cibula 130 Champ

Eric Enderby 135 Champ

Zach Enderby 140 4th

Brad Zellner 145 5th

Dennis Reckelberg 160 3rd

Brett Arendt 171 4th

Jon Treml 189 2nd

Alex Cornette 275 5th

This may be one of the best team performances ever at state ever?

That year L-C scored 149 points at the state tournament, this year's Stratford scored 172 (Previous best was Rapids at 159.5 in 2012 I believe)

4 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 4 4th.

That is the best team performance EVER.

[shouldvewrestled]

LC 2005 State results:

Adam Zehren 103 Q

Brian Barbiaux 112 Champ

Eric Metzler 119 Champ

Zac Cibula 130 Champ

Eric Enderby 135 Champ

Zach Enderby 140 4th

Brad Zellner 145 5th

Dennis Reckelberg 160 3rd

Brett Arendt 171 4th

Jon Treml 189 2nd

Alex Cornette 275 5th

This may be one of the best team performances ever at state ever?

That year L-C scored 149 points at the state tournament, this year's Stratford scored 172 (Previous best was Rapids at 159.5 in 2012 I believe)

4 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 4 4th.

That is the best team performance EVER.

Can't compare 2005 to 2014, in 2005 if you lost in quarters best you could do was 5th. Say Zellner and Cornette both took 3rd in today's format, it's a lot closer.  Very similar placements from that LC team without the ability to wrestle back to 3rd.  (4 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4th, 2 5th)

[Boot]

LC 2005 State results:

Adam Zehren 103 Q

Brian Barbiaux 112 Champ

Eric Metzler 119 Champ

Zac Cibula 130 Champ

Eric Enderby 135 Champ

Zach Enderby 140 4th

Brad Zellner 145 5th

Dennis Reckelberg 160 3rd

Brett Arendt 171 4th

Jon Treml 189 2nd

Alex Cornette 275 5th

This may be one of the best team performances ever at state ever?

That year L-C scored 149 points at the state tournament, this year's Stratford scored 172 (Previous best was Rapids at 159.5 in 2012 I believe)

4 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 4 4th.

That is the best team performance EVER.

Don't want to start a war here but scoring 159.5 in D1 is tougher than 172 in D3.  The depth in D1 makes what Rapids did much more impressive.  Don't get me wrong I think Startford would probably beat any school in the State in a dual this year,  but at the individual tourny this weekend, if there kids were all in the D1 brackets there is no way the still put up 172 points.

[foose4]

Can't compare 2005 to 2014, in 2005 if you lost in quarters best you could do was 5th. Say Zellner and Cornette both took 3rd in today's format, it's a lot closer.  Very similar placements from that LC team without the ability to wrestle back to 3rd.  (4 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4th, 2 5th)

Stratford only had 2 lose in quarters.   One placed 3rd the other 4th.   I don't think those 3 place positions would drop that many points.

[wrastle63]

LC 2005 State results:

Adam Zehren 103 Q

Brian Barbiaux 112 Champ

Eric Metzler 119 Champ

Zac Cibula 130 Champ

Eric Enderby 135 Champ

Zach Enderby 140 4th

Brad Zellner 145 5th

Dennis Reckelberg 160 3rd

Brett Arendt 171 4th

Jon Treml 189 2nd

Alex Cornette 275 5th

This may be one of the best team performances ever at state ever?

That year L-C scored 149 points at the state tournament, this year's Stratford scored 172 (Previous best was Rapids at 159.5 in 2012 I believe)

4 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 4 4th.

That is the best team performance EVER.

Don't want to start a war here but scoring 159.5 in D1 is tougher than 172 in D3.  The depth in D1 makes what Rapids did much more impressive.  Don't get me wrong I think Startford would probably beat any school in the State in a dual this year,  but at the individual tourny this weekend, if there kids were all in the D1 brackets there is no way the still put up 172 points.

Lux-Cas is D2 not D1. Not saying all the kids in Stratford who were champs would still win their brackets, but I bet they have a pretty good shot no matter who is in their bracket.  Bornbach beat the runner up in D1 at bi state 10-5. Hard to say that he couldn't win D1 state.

[shouldvewrestled]

Can't compare 2005 to 2014, in 2005 if you lost in quarters best you could do was 5th. Say Zellner and Cornette both took 3rd in today's format, it's a lot closer.  Very similar placements from that LC team without the ability to wrestle back to 3rd.  (4 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 2 4th, 2 5th)

Stratford only had 2 lose in quarters.   One placed 3rd the other 4th.   I don't think those 3 place positions would drop that many points.

That year LC only had 2 lose in the quarters and one in the opening round.  Stratford had one lose in opening round and 2 in quarters.  Would come down to mat points.  Pretty even and then it comes down to depth in the brackets which is a fight not worth doing.  Agree with Boot too, this Stratford team probably doesn't put up the 159.5 rapids did that year if they were in D1 this year.  Great team this year but wouldn't say they were for sure the best individual state performance, but one of the top 3.

[bigG]

There aren't enough apples one can compare to apples to call one team "da best ever" bus I'll just say that I'm blown away with what Stratford has done this year. Best ever, second, third, whatever (the true best), that team is dynamite and they'll remember this year for many more to come.

I hope they do go superteam like MP, Coleman, etc.

[Barou]

Also an added weight class since '05 and with wrestlebacks for a true 3rd more opportunities for bonus and advancement points.

[shouldvewrestled]

2005 did have 215 so 14 weight classes, but will say having the weights more distributed in the uppers didn't hurt Stratford this year.  They are pretty good 195-285  .

[NJS]

LC 2005 State results:

Adam Zehren 103 Q

Brian Barbiaux 112 Champ

Eric Metzler 119 Champ

Zac Cibula 130 Champ

Eric Enderby 135 Champ

Zach Enderby 140 4th

Brad Zellner 145 5th

Dennis Reckelberg 160 3rd

Brett Arendt 171 4th

Jon Treml 189 2nd

Alex Cornette 275 5th

This may be one of the best team performances ever at state ever?

That year L-C scored 149 points at the state tournament, this year's Stratford scored 172 (Previous best was Rapids at 159.5 in 2012 I believe)

4 1st, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 4 4th.

That is the best team performance EVER.

Don't want to start a war here but scoring 159.5 in D1 is tougher than 172 in D3.  The depth in D1 makes what Rapids did much more impressive.  Don't get me wrong I think Startford would probably beat any school in the State in a dual this year,  but at the individual tourny this weekend, if there kids were all in the D1 brackets there is no way the still put up 172 points.

Is the D1 scoring "weighted" to account for the larger brackets and more matches?  If not, you can't really compare the points.  Not that you can compare any of this...but it's interesting to "speculate".