Dillan Johnson

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head57

Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati

You're wrong. 330 might work at NT I' in an odd front. You don't want 330 across the line. Literally nobody does that. 285 is plenty big in the B1G, SEC or otherwise.
thats the bottom line
On Wisconsin!

Vir Fortis

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Quote from: head57 on April 02, 2023, 03:31:44 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati

You're wrong. 330 might work at NT I' in an odd front. You don't want 330 across the line. Literally nobody does that. 285 is plenty big in the B1G, SEC or otherwise.

Literally JUST posted an article from before Cincy's game vs Alabama in which their best DL was 285...talking about how they didn't have the size up front to match up with 'Bama...and they specifically mentioned HIS size disadvantage(Curtis Brooks).

I'm really not. Again, you want big, space eating DL to keep your LBers clean. Very few teams play 3-3-5 as a base defense, but those who do want large, 2 gap DL. Obviously you're not going to have 3 Jordan Davis/Siaki Ika type players, but the point is, you want bigger DL to keep your backers free...ESPECIALLY in Tressel's defense which often brings up a Safety (or even a CB as Tressel was just talking about) to play in that 3-3 stack.


And it's not that "nobody does that," it's that very few teams do that because very few teams play a 3-3-5, 30 stack, whatever you want to call it. And few of them have been real successful playing physical defense because, again, big guys like that don't grow on trees. WVU, AZ, TCU(who made it to the CFP...and gave up 110 points because they couldn't control the LOS and Michigan was down their best offensive player, their RB)...I don't know who else off the top of my head. Nebraska is going to one as well...I believe.


We'll see though. Maybe the Bagdgers will be alright with one of their DL building up and then cutting down to 285. Normally they're trying to put ~20 pounds on an incoming DL, and it doesn't have to all be functional strength in this scheme as the whole point is, again, to hold your ground and occupy blockers...and let your athletes on the 2nd and 3rd level come in and clean up.


To use recent Badgers, someone like Sagapolu(~345) playing a 0 tech, Benton(320) playing that 4I or 3 Tech would have been perfect. So fine, lets say 315-345. That's absolutely what you want in this scheme...and when you don't have it, you have to compensate in other ways. For Cincy, that a LOT of man coverage, big LBers like Beavers and then coming up and playing some even fronts with Sanders.


285 is...so clearly not "plenty big," in the B1G, SEC "or otherwise." How many interior DL does UGA, or 'Bama have that go 285? They're quicker, pass rush specialist have been ~310. They also play a very different scheme, but that's besides the point.

DocWrestling

They are going to want him in that 300-315 range ideally for the football season.  That football season ends at New Years hopefully.   Then it could possibly take some time to cut to 285 for the end of wrestling season.  There are less rules on cutting in college so that makes it easier if he wants.  Then plenty of time to get back up by fall camp in August.

Weight wise I think it can be done.  Work needed along with physical toll on body and mental sacrifice it would take makes unlikely.

He is a future 45yo that can tell everyone he could have done both in college or he tried it for one year.
Of Course, this is only my opinion and no one elses!

Vir Fortis

Quote from: DocWrestling on April 02, 2023, 09:17:55 AMThey are going to want him in that 300-315 range ideally for the football season.  That football season ends at New Years hopefully.   Then it could possibly take some time to cut to 285 for the end of wrestling season.  There are less rules on cutting in college so that makes it easier if he wants.  Then plenty of time to get back up by fall camp in August.

Weight wise I think it can be done.  Work needed along with physical toll on body and mental sacrifice it would take makes unlikely.

He is a future 45yo that can tell everyone he could have done both in college or he tried it for one year.

It'd definitely be cool. And I think he could swing it. I hope he does.

I'll be just as interested to see what Ben Kueter does. He's an OLBer, so the weight isn't a concern. He's also a better Wrestler(not slight against Johnson, Keuter's just in that Hopke class).

mkm13

Davino just committed to OSU. He was one of the few high level recruits (top 10 overall) i thought we had a good chance at.

If we cant get guys like that, we are not going to compete with the top teams.

head57

Quote from: Vir Fortis on April 02, 2023, 05:21:47 AM
Quote from: head57 on April 02, 2023, 03:31:44 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati

You're wrong. 330 might work at NT I' in an odd front. You don't want 330 across the line. Literally nobody does that. 285 is plenty big in the B1G, SEC or otherwise.

Literally JUST posted an article from before Cincy's game vs Alabama in which their best DL was 285...talking about how they didn't have the size up front to match up with 'Bama...and they specifically mentioned HIS size disadvantage(Curtis Brooks).

I'm really not. Again, you want big, space eating DL to keep your LBers clean. Very few teams play 3-3-5 as a base defense, but those who do want large, 2 gap DL. Obviously you're not going to have 3 Jordan Davis/Siaki Ika type players, but the point is, you want bigger DL to keep your backers free...ESPECIALLY in Tressel's defense which often brings up a Safety (or even a CB as Tressel was just talking about) to play in that 3-3 stack.


And it's not that "nobody does that," it's that very few teams do that because very few teams play a 3-3-5, 30 stack, whatever you want to call it. And few of them have been real successful playing physical defense because, again, big guys like that don't grow on trees. WVU, AZ, TCU(who made it to the CFP...and gave up 110 points because they couldn't control the LOS and Michigan was down their best offensive player, their RB)...I don't know who else off the top of my head. Nebraska is going to one as well...I believe.


We'll see though. Maybe the Bagdgers will be alright with one of their DL building up and then cutting down to 285. Normally they're trying to put ~20 pounds on an incoming DL, and it doesn't have to all be functional strength in this scheme as the whole point is, again, to hold your ground and occupy blockers...and let your athletes on the 2nd and 3rd level come in and clean up.


To use recent Badgers, someone like Sagapolu(~345) playing a 0 tech, Benton(320) playing that 4I or 3 Tech would have been perfect. So fine, lets say 315-345. That's absolutely what you want in this scheme...and when you don't have it, you have to compensate in other ways. For Cincy, that a LOT of man coverage, big LBers like Beavers and then coming up and playing some even fronts with Sanders.


285 is...so clearly not "plenty big," in the B1G, SEC "or otherwise." How many interior DL does UGA, or 'Bama have that go 285? They're quicker, pass rush specialist have been ~310. They also play a very different scheme, but that's besides the point.

I wasn't talking about Cincinnati vs Bama. Go check how many 330 lb guys UGA had on its DL last year.
thats the bottom line
On Wisconsin!

BadgerOne

Quote from: mkm13 on April 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PMDavino just committed to OSU. He was one of the few high level recruits (top 10 overall) i thought we had a good chance at.

If we cant get guys like that, we are not going to compete with the top teams.

I agree.  Bono's best season was unfortunately ended early by Covid.  Since then UW is a middle of the pack Big Ten team and with the failure to land any top ten wrestlers since Hamiti, the Badgers may be edging more to the bottom of the Big Ten than the top of the Big Ten after next season when Barnett and Gomez will have graduated.

Healthy and happy

Quote from: BadgerOne on April 04, 2023, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: mkm13 on April 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PMDavino just committed to OSU. He was one of the few high level recruits (top 10 overall) i thought we had a good chance at.

If we cant get guys like that, we are not going to compete with the top teams.

I agree.  Bono's best season was unfortunately ended early by Covid.  Since then UW is a middle of the pack Big Ten team and with the failure to land any top ten wrestlers since Hamiti, the Badgers may be edging more to the bottom of the Big Ten than the top of the Big Ten after next season when Barnett and Gomez will have graduated.



Can't you see that middle of the pack in the Big Ten standings has some correlation to the RTCs and the money they have?  Do you really think it is a coincidence that:
Penn State
Iowa
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska

which all have well established RTCs and money to give to the blue chip recruits are at the top of the standings nationally?  UW is definitely a middling program when it comes to outside money to attract the blue chippers

Vir Fortis

Quote from: head57 on April 03, 2023, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on April 02, 2023, 05:21:47 AM
Quote from: head57 on April 02, 2023, 03:31:44 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati

You're wrong. 330 might work at NT I' in an odd front. You don't want 330 across the line. Literally nobody does that. 285 is plenty big in the B1G, SEC or otherwise.

Literally JUST posted an article from before Cincy's game vs Alabama in which their best DL was 285...talking about how they didn't have the size up front to match up with 'Bama...and they specifically mentioned HIS size disadvantage(Curtis Brooks).

I'm really not. Again, you want big, space eating DL to keep your LBers clean. Very few teams play 3-3-5 as a base defense, but those who do want large, 2 gap DL. Obviously you're not going to have 3 Jordan Davis/Siaki Ika type players, but the point is, you want bigger DL to keep your backers free...ESPECIALLY in Tressel's defense which often brings up a Safety (or even a CB as Tressel was just talking about) to play in that 3-3 stack.


And it's not that "nobody does that," it's that very few teams do that because very few teams play a 3-3-5, 30 stack, whatever you want to call it. And few of them have been real successful playing physical defense because, again, big guys like that don't grow on trees. WVU, AZ, TCU(who made it to the CFP...and gave up 110 points because they couldn't control the LOS and Michigan was down their best offensive player, their RB)...I don't know who else off the top of my head. Nebraska is going to one as well...I believe.


We'll see though. Maybe the Bagdgers will be alright with one of their DL building up and then cutting down to 285. Normally they're trying to put ~20 pounds on an incoming DL, and it doesn't have to all be functional strength in this scheme as the whole point is, again, to hold your ground and occupy blockers...and let your athletes on the 2nd and 3rd level come in and clean up.


To use recent Badgers, someone like Sagapolu(~345) playing a 0 tech, Benton(320) playing that 4I or 3 Tech would have been perfect. So fine, lets say 315-345. That's absolutely what you want in this scheme...and when you don't have it, you have to compensate in other ways. For Cincy, that a LOT of man coverage, big LBers like Beavers and then coming up and playing some even fronts with Sanders.


285 is...so clearly not "plenty big," in the B1G, SEC "or otherwise." How many interior DL does UGA, or 'Bama have that go 285? They're quicker, pass rush specialist have been ~310. They also play a very different scheme, but that's besides the point.

I wasn't talking about Cincinnati vs Bama. Go check how many 330 lb guys UGA had on its DL last year.

Ok, well, you brought up Cincinnati vs Bama;

QuoteBiggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.


Bama doesn't play a 3-3 stack, they play an aggressive scheme where they ask their defensive linemen to penetrate. It's specifically designed to beat the spread by using their front 4 to get pressure.

They also constantly rotate DL in and out with insane depth. They do have plenty of guys

Which is the point I'm trying to make. There are few teams that play this 30 stack, it's NOT at all the same as playing a 4-3 defense(or having the benefit of 7-8 or more elite DL who rotate in and out).


You're arguing 285 is "plenty big" for SEC or B1G teams is kinda silly. That's a pretty big weakness in the SEC...OR the B1G.

BadgerOne

#54
Dillan is certainly visiting a lot of colleges-it appears that he has visited over ten colleges, and he has taken multiple visits to several of them.  He has 17 offers.  Some of the more noteworthy visits are Michigan (including with Sean Bormet), Notre Dame, Iowa State, Cal and Kansas State.  I can't recall a recruit visiting so many schools before, but its great that he does his due diligence and hopefully the Badgers get him as Rivals is predicting.

vsmf2010

Quote from: BadgerOne on April 17, 2023, 01:18:41 AMDillan is certainly visiting a lot of colleges-it appears that he has visited over ten colleges, and he has taken multiple visits to several of them.  He has 17 offers.  Some of the more noteworthy visits are Michigan (including with Sean Bormet), Notre Dame, Iowa State, Cal and Kansas State.  I can't recall a recruit visiting so many schools before, but its great that he does his due diligence and hopefully the Badgers get him as Rivals is predicting.

I thought I saw that he had an offer from Ohio St as well but I could be mistaken. Sounds like the young man can pretty much pick his destination. Hopefully he chooses Madison.

Army Ant

Looks like Northwestern.

Ledger

Quote from: Army Ant on May 16, 2023, 12:31:33 PMLooks like Northwestern.
Looks like both football and wrestling.  If you've seen their facilities you can't blame him.

leg turk

This is getting depressing.

Chedd

Quote from: Ledger on May 16, 2023, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on May 16, 2023, 12:31:33 PMLooks like Northwestern.
Looks like both football and wrestling.  If you've seen their facilities you can't blame him.

The half empty football stadium on game day or the hundreds of fans that pack their duals?