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Title: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 12, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
Here is my current projected depth chart. (Several questions / comments follow)

125 - Barnett, Kruse
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George, Nilo
157 - Anderson, Sheen, Goebel. Scharenbrock? Model?
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Otto, Calhoun, Condon
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke

Questions /Comments

125 - Barnett. Two time All-American. Enough said. Kruse is the backup and redshirts.

133 - Rivera appears to have a slight edge over Coy. He could make 125, but Barnett is there. Bobzien could redshirt.

141 / 149 - Zargo and Lettini are the favorites here, I think Zargo bumps up to 149 with Gomez gone. 141 Severin and 149 Medora are the primary backups. Nilo redshirts.

157 - Wide open. Anderson coming back from injury. Sheen and Goebel probably move up to challenge. Is Scharenbrock coming back for 1 more year?

165 - Hamiti unless he plans to move to 174, which would cause Otto to move to 165. Will Model cut to 157 to challenge? 157 worked out for his brother! ;D

174 - Otto is the incumbent. Condon may challenge for the spot right away, given his recent U20 Nationals performance. Calhoun is solid but was behind Otto last year.

184 - Liegel is the primary option, Calhoun could move up if necessary.

197 - Talshahar will be here. Needs to make a big step in his 2nd year. I think he can, like his brother did at Northwestern. Wondering if Empey moves to 197 to challenge with the logjam at heavyweight.

285 - Amos will most likely move to heavyweight, unless he Olympic redshirts as he recovers from injury. Christensen could finally get his chance. Rosenfeld wrestled well his freshman year. Schmidtke provides depth.

if the Badgers add any other transfers this summer, it will probably be at 157 or 197. Still some options available in the transfer portal!
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Ledger on May 12, 2023, 11:39:42 AM
Where's Braxton Amos?
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: head57 on May 12, 2023, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: Ledger on May 12, 2023, 11:39:42 AMWhere's Braxton Amos?

He's listed as "Amos" at 285.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Ledger on May 12, 2023, 11:54:36 AM
Quote from: head57 on May 12, 2023, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: Ledger on May 12, 2023, 11:39:42 AMWhere's Braxton Amos?

He's listed as "Amos" at 285.
Thanks I didn't realize he was moving up. 
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: mkm13 on May 12, 2023, 12:14:49 PM
Nice summary.  It appears we will have a bottom 3 big 10 wrestler at 5 or 6 weights next year, unless we bring in a few transfers.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Handles II on May 12, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: mkm13 on May 12, 2023, 12:14:49 PMNice summary.  It appears we will have a bottom 3 big 10 wrestler at 5 or 6 weights next year, unless we bring in a few transfers.
9th/10th in the big 10 will often get a berth at Natty's. Based on other movements in the portal and NIL, I'm betting that some guys will find UW an attractive option to transfer to.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 12, 2023, 12:49:28 PM
Barnett, Bobzien, Zargo, Hamiti and Amos still have redshirts available. Amos has an Olympic redshirt as well. (Zargo, Amos, Bobzien and Calhoun all grey shirted their 1st year)



Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: harley25 on May 12, 2023, 01:57:12 PM
Hamiti is going to have a hard time closing the gap with who he has in the room to practice with IMO
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: wrestle03 on May 12, 2023, 02:19:44 PM
harley25 - I couldnt agree more.  There is no one in the room that will make him a better wrestler or push him.  Wouldnt be shocked in the least bit if he enters the transfer portal.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: wrastle63 on May 12, 2023, 03:25:09 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 12, 2023, 12:49:28 PMBarnett, Bobzien, Zargo, Hamiti and Amos still have redshirts available. Amos has an Olympic redshirt as well. (Zargo, Amos, Bobzien and Calhoun all grey shirted their 1st year)




At this point our best option is to punt this year and let the young guys go. Barnett, Zargo, Hamiti, and Amos redshirt. Make it a developmental year. Hard to do with the bad taste in the mouth of a lot of fans.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Numbers on May 12, 2023, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 12, 2023, 02:19:44 PMharley25 - I couldnt agree more.  There is no one in the room that will make him a better wrestler or push him.  Wouldnt be shocked in the least bit if he enters the transfer portal.
He has a past NCAA champion as a coach and workout partner.  DJ will be fine.  Same with Barnett and Gross.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: wrestle03 on May 12, 2023, 04:58:29 PM
Numbers - so does every other wrestling room in the Big Ten.  ONE guy isnt going to get him to the next level. It will be very difficult to close the gap on guys better than him with the guys WI has (I should say dont have) in the wrestling room.  Keep drinking the Kool Aid.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: aarons23 on May 12, 2023, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 12, 2023, 04:58:29 PMNumbers - so does every other wrestling room in the Big Ten.  ONE guy isnt going to get him to the next level. It will be very difficult to close the gap on guys better than him with the guys WI has (I should say dont have) in the wrestling room.  Keep drinking the Kool Aid.

Dj will be fine!
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Harris on May 12, 2023, 06:25:10 PM
Quote from: Numbers on May 12, 2023, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 12, 2023, 02:19:44 PMharley25 - I couldnt agree more.  There is no one in the room that will make him a better wrestler or push him.  Wouldnt be shocked in the least bit if he enters the transfer portal.
He has a past NCAA champion as a coach and workout partner.  DJ will be fine.  Same with Barnett and Gross.

This 👆
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 13, 2023, 11:40:43 PM
Projected Update...

125 - Barnett, Kruse
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Sheen, Medora, George, Nilo
157 - Mechler, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Otto, Calhoun, Condon
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke

Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 16, 2023, 11:34:22 AM
Not sure when, but the Badgers are traveling to Humboldt, Iowa to take on Iowa State next season!

https://twitter.com/CycloneWR/status/1658103078686707712/photo/1
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 20, 2023, 03:45:38 PM
Update -

125 - Barnett, Kruse
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Sheen, Medora, George (RS), Nilo (RS)
157 - Mechler, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon (RS)
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 05, 2023, 09:09:16 AM
Wrestle Stat has the following Badger starting lineup:

125 - Barnett
133 - Coy
141 - Zargo
149 - Sheen
157 - Mechler
165 - Hamiti
174 - Maylor
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos
285 - Christensen

It will be interesting to see how the starting lineup plays out. Coy wrestled the most at 133 last year; Rivera finished ahead of him at a late season tournament. Bobzien did not wrestle much last year. Does Zargo stay at 141? If so, who starts at 149? 157 will be competitive. Does Amos stay at 197? I have heard he is moving up.

Are any other transfers or recruits coming in? Still quite a few transfer options out there..

The Freshmen will most likely redshirt. Not certain if Russo goes 197 or 285. Condon is tough. The Badgers may try to get the best 10 as starters which would involve moving guys to different weights.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: BadgerOne on June 05, 2023, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 05, 2023, 09:09:16 AMWrestle Stat has the following Badger starting lineup:

125 - Barnett
133 - Coy
141 - Zargo
149 - Sheen
157 - Mechler
165 - Hamiti
174 - Maylor
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos
285 - Christensen

It will be interesting to see how the starting lineup plays out. Coy wrestled the most at 133 last year; Rivera finished ahead of him at a late season tournament. Bobzien did not wrestle much last year. Does Zargo stay at 141? If so, who starts at 149? 157 will be competitive. Does Amos stay at 197? I have heard he is moving up.

Are any other transfers or recruits coming in? Still quite a few transfer options out there..

The Freshmen will most likely redshirt. Not certain if Russo goes 197 or 285. Condon is tough. The Badgers may try to get the best 10 as starters which would involve moving guys to different weights.

Where have you heard Amos is moving up?  I think his chances are better at 197 given that Heavyweight is top heavy with Kerk, Cass, Hendrickson and Schultz and he'd have to compete with guys as big as 280.  197 is a much easier path for Braxton to break through and make some noise at NCAAs.  I also think its possible Braxton does take an olympic shirt and doesn't wrestle next year.  That would allow him time to bulk up and move up to heavyweight after returning.

I also don't get why Zargo would move up.  He doesn't appear that big at 41.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: bigoil on June 05, 2023, 11:15:55 AM
Didn't Reader say Joey was moving up?
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: MRL_84 on June 05, 2023, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: bigoil on June 05, 2023, 11:15:55 AMDidn't Reader say Joey was moving up?

Yes
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 06, 2023, 12:08:23 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 05, 2023, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 05, 2023, 09:09:16 AMWrestle Stat has the following Badger starting lineup:

125 - Barnett
133 - Coy
141 - Zargo
149 - Sheen
157 - Mechler
165 - Hamiti
174 - Maylor
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos
285 - Christensen

It will be interesting to see how the starting lineup plays out. Coy wrestled the most at 133 last year; Rivera finished ahead of him at a late season tournament. Bobzien did not wrestle much last year. Does Zargo stay at 141? If so, who starts at 149? 157 will be competitive. Does Amos stay at 197? I have heard he is moving up.

Are any other transfers or recruits coming in? Still quite a few transfer options out there..

The Freshmen will most likely redshirt. Not certain if Russo goes 197 or 285. Condon is tough. The Badgers may try to get the best 10 as starters which would involve moving guys to different weights.

Where have you heard Amos is moving up?  I think his chances are better at 197 given that Heavyweight is top heavy with Kerk, Cass, Hendrickson and Schultz and he'd have to compete with guys as big as 280.  197 is a much easier path for Braxton to break through and make some noise at NCAAs.  I also think its possible Braxton does take an olympic shirt and doesn't wrestle next year.  That would allow him time to bulk up and move up to heavyweight after returning.

I also don't get why Zargo would move up.  He doesn't appear that big at 41.

From someone close to the program. That could change though given his Olympic redshirt option as you pointed out.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PM
Updated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: BadgerOne on June 09, 2023, 05:24:01 PM
I don't think Fugitt is going to take a redshirt if he wins a starting spot.  I do think he is probably the Badgers best option at 133, though Bobzien may give him a battle.  Rivera is kind of smallish for 133 and I think he slots in better at 125 after Barnett is done.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: tigerking on June 09, 2023, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 09, 2023, 05:24:01 PMI don't think Fugitt is going to take a redshirt if he wins a starting spot.  I do think he is probably the Badgers best option at 133, though Bobzien may give him a battle.  Rivera is kind of smallish for 133 and I think he slots in better at 125 after Barnett is done.

I agree with you. Considering Rivera just wrestled 125.5 at an offseason tournament, I would assume he would be at 125 again next year. Hopefully he can continue to develop as he did not have a strong showing at U23 Nationals.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: rankwizard on June 10, 2023, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: tigerking on June 09, 2023, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 09, 2023, 05:24:01 PMI don't think Fugitt is going to take a redshirt if he wins a starting spot.  I do think he is probably the Badgers best option at 133, though Bobzien may give him a battle.  Rivera is kind of smallish for 133 and I think he slots in better at 125 after Barnett is done.

I agree with you. Considering Rivera just wrestled 125.5 at an offseason tournament, I would assume he would be at 125 again next year. Hopefully he can continue to develop as he did not have a strong showing at U23 Nationals.

I agree Tiger. Rivera is too small for 133 for the top competition. I wonder how long Barnett plans to stay in school.. He's entering his 5th year of college next fall. May or may not be his last year depending on his life plans... Barnett has been very fun to watch for sure. We love our home state guys as well as our out of states.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: bigoil on June 10, 2023, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: rankwizard on June 10, 2023, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: tigerking on June 09, 2023, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 09, 2023, 05:24:01 PMI don't think Fugitt is going to take a redshirt if he wins a starting spot.  I do think he is probably the Badgers best option at 133, though Bobzien may give him a battle.  Rivera is kind of smallish for 133 and I think he slots in better at 125 after Barnett is done.

I agree with you. Considering Rivera just wrestled 125.5 at an offseason tournament, I would assume he would be at 125 again next year. Hopefully he can continue to develop as he did not have a strong showing at U23 Nationals.

I agree Tiger. Rivera is too small for 133 for the top competition. I wonder how long Barnett plans to stay in school.. He's entering his 5th year of college next fall. May or may not be his last year depending on his life plans... Barnett has been very fun to watch for sure. We love our home state guys as well as our out of states.
That's it for EB, he will be out of eligibility.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster

Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: tigerking on June 11, 2023, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster

Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.

This is an awful roster. Especially if Amos does not wrestle this year.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: walden_hiker on June 11, 2023, 05:28:11 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster

Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.

I agree that it is not elite but depth wise better than previous. We just need to start getting 1 blue chipper per recruiting cycle. Previously, we had studs but zero depth when there was an injury.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Vir Fortis on June 12, 2023, 04:19:25 AM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster

Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.

I can see...2 AAs out of here, 3 if Zargo can just take a TINY step. He's so close to being a R12 type guy.

Hamiti is still in the toughest weight. Might be one of the top 25 Wrestlers, but just a brutal weight.

Losing Gomez and then Estrada flipping is brutal(though I shouldn't worry about Estrada I guess...he hasn't done anything impressive...until he became an Iowa recruit).



I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while. I just think either '33 is too big or he needs to be really working on his body.

I scan squint and see a couple other guys breaking through, but this is a team that's not deep, that could very easily get shutout in a couple of B1G duels and...yeah, it's nice they've got some depth. Is it really that much better than it's been?

I'd be more inclined to include Amos, but he's primarily a Greco guy at this point, correct? I don't see him making a big jump if he's Wrestling Greco in the off-season. It's just...how many guys who come in, are highly regarded recruits, then focus on Greco see significant gains year over year? It's obviously much tougher, especially for a guy who's biggest issue seems to be just attacking and taking shots. And I really don't think being a small HWT is going to help him.

Bono's enthusiasm has been great. I like Reader and Gross...but when the wall built around the State is working the exact opposite literally every program in every college program intends...the margin of error is VERY slim and this is not a great lineup.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: BadgerOne on June 12, 2023, 08:20:05 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on June 12, 2023, 04:19:25 AM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster

Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.

I can see...2 AAs out of here, 3 if Zargo can just take a TINY step. He's so close to being a R12 type guy.

Hamiti is still in the toughest weight. Might be one of the top 25 Wrestlers, but just a brutal weight.

Losing Gomez and then Estrada flipping is brutal(though I shouldn't worry about Estrada I guess...he hasn't done anything impressive...until he became an Iowa recruit).



I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while. I just think either '33 is too big or he needs to be really working on his body.

I scan squint and see a couple other guys breaking through, but this is a team that's not deep, that could very easily get shutout in a couple of B1G duels and...yeah, it's nice they've got some depth. Is it really that much better than it's been?

I'd be more inclined to include Amos, but he's primarily a Greco guy at this point, correct? I don't see him making a big jump if he's Wrestling Greco in the off-season. It's just...how many guys who come in, are highly regarded recruits, then focus on Greco see significant gains year over year? It's obviously much tougher, especially for a guy who's biggest issue seems to be just attacking and taking shots. And I really don't think being a small HWT is going to help him.

Bono's enthusiasm has been great. I like Reader and Gross...but when the wall built around the State is working the exact opposite literally every program in every college program intends...the margin of error is VERY slim and this is not a great lineup.

<<I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year.>>

Seriously?  If Barnett stays healthy and wrestles, Rivera surely won't be the starter at 125.  At 133, Rivera would struggle mightily against Big Ten competition.  He was unimpressive last year at 133.  Zan Fugitt is a year behind Nicolar but I bet he's already much better and I take him to have a better year.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: wrastle63 on June 12, 2023, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 12, 2023, 08:20:05 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on June 12, 2023, 04:19:25 AM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster

Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.

I can see...2 AAs out of here, 3 if Zargo can just take a TINY step. He's so close to being a R12 type guy.

Hamiti is still in the toughest weight. Might be one of the top 25 Wrestlers, but just a brutal weight.

Losing Gomez and then Estrada flipping is brutal(though I shouldn't worry about Estrada I guess...he hasn't done anything impressive...until he became an Iowa recruit).



I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while. I just think either '33 is too big or he needs to be really working on his body.

I scan squint and see a couple other guys breaking through, but this is a team that's not deep, that could very easily get shutout in a couple of B1G duels and...yeah, it's nice they've got some depth. Is it really that much better than it's been?

I'd be more inclined to include Amos, but he's primarily a Greco guy at this point, correct? I don't see him making a big jump if he's Wrestling Greco in the off-season. It's just...how many guys who come in, are highly regarded recruits, then focus on Greco see significant gains year over year? It's obviously much tougher, especially for a guy who's biggest issue seems to be just attacking and taking shots. And I really don't think being a small HWT is going to help him.

Bono's enthusiasm has been great. I like Reader and Gross...but when the wall built around the State is working the exact opposite literally every program in every college program intends...the margin of error is VERY slim and this is not a great lineup.

<<I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year.>>

Seriously?  If Barnett stays healthy and wrestles, Rivera surely won't be the starter at 125.  At 133, Rivera would struggle mightily against Big Ten competition.  He was unimpressive last year at 133.  Zan Fugitt is a year behind Nicolar but I bet he's already much better and I take him to have a better year.
Agreed, but think Rivera has good upside at 125 once Barnett is gone
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: hornbuckleb on June 12, 2023, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on June 12, 2023, 09:53:59 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 12, 2023, 08:20:05 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on June 12, 2023, 04:19:25 AM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS

* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster

Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.

I can see...2 AAs out of here, 3 if Zargo can just take a TINY step. He's so close to being a R12 type guy.

Hamiti is still in the toughest weight. Might be one of the top 25 Wrestlers, but just a brutal weight.

Losing Gomez and then Estrada flipping is brutal(though I shouldn't worry about Estrada I guess...he hasn't done anything impressive...until he became an Iowa recruit).



I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while. I just think either '33 is too big or he needs to be really working on his body.

I scan squint and see a couple other guys breaking through, but this is a team that's not deep, that could very easily get shutout in a couple of B1G duels and...yeah, it's nice they've got some depth. Is it really that much better than it's been?

I'd be more inclined to include Amos, but he's primarily a Greco guy at this point, correct? I don't see him making a big jump if he's Wrestling Greco in the off-season. It's just...how many guys who come in, are highly regarded recruits, then focus on Greco see significant gains year over year? It's obviously much tougher, especially for a guy who's biggest issue seems to be just attacking and taking shots. And I really don't think being a small HWT is going to help him.

Bono's enthusiasm has been great. I like Reader and Gross...but when the wall built around the State is working the exact opposite literally every program in every college program intends...the margin of error is VERY slim and this is not a great lineup.

<<I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year.>>

Seriously?  If Barnett stays healthy and wrestles, Rivera surely won't be the starter at 125.  At 133, Rivera would struggle mightily against Big Ten competition.  He was unimpressive last year at 133.  Zan Fugitt is a year behind Nicolar but I bet he's already much better and I take him to have a better year.
Agreed, but think Rivera has good upside at 125 once Barnett is gone

Did you watch U20's
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PM
Roster Update:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke

* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.
 
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: gwmiller44 on June 21, 2023, 02:35:38 PM
I think they have only 1 AA & they will be lucky to crack the top 10 in the conference. This isn't a big 10 roster that's going to win duels.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: npope on June 21, 2023, 09:32:53 PM
Quote from: gwmiller44 on June 21, 2023, 02:35:38 PMI think they have only 1 AA & they will be lucky to crack the top 10 in the conference. This isn't a big 10 roster that's going to win duels.

While possible, that certainly isn't being very objective. They already have two two-time AAs in that lineup from which you think they can only pull one AA this coming season. Sounds a bit pessimistic to me.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 22, 2023, 11:21:11 AM
I do think the team would be stronger if Amos can stay at 197. Hopefully he gets healthy soon. As noted, Braxton could Olympic redshirt this year also.

We currently have 1 former 215lber, 3 former 220lbers and 4 former heavyweights on the roster. Many big wrestlers on the team!
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Vir Fortis on June 26, 2023, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 12, 2023, 08:20:05 AMSeriously?  If Barnett stays healthy and wrestles, Rivera surely won't be the starter at 125.  At 133, Rivera would struggle mightily against Big Ten competition.  He was unimpressive last year at 133.  Zan Fugitt is a year behind Nicolar but I bet he's already much better and I take him to have a better year.

No, not seriously. There's zero chance that Rivera can put on some weight and have a good year.

He's not a talented athlete and there's absolutely no potential for growth from him. Is that good?

Tell me if there are any more amendments I need to appease the Cal Poly boys?

It was foolish of me to say that Rivera COULD potentially surprise and do well.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: BadgerOne on June 26, 2023, 07:33:01 PM
Vir Fortis, this is what you said "I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while."

You didn't just say "could" which is a meaningless term and you are good at saying meaningless stuff, but "could easily" as its not just within the realms of possibilities but its easily possible and he could not just be a surprise but a "big surprise" and he's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while-hmmm.  So are you saying he's right up there with Gross, Hamiti, Gomez and/or Amos?  OK, tell me how Rivera did last year, he must have won all or nearly all of his matches with plenty of pins and techs, right?
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: littleguy301 on June 27, 2023, 05:41:40 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 26, 2023, 07:33:01 PMVir Fortis, this is what you said "I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while."

You didn't just say "could" which is a meaningless term and you are good at saying meaningless stuff, but "could easily" as its not just within the realms of possibilities but its easily possible and he could not just be a surprise but a "big surprise" and he's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while-hmmm.  So are you saying he's right up there with Gross, Hamiti, Gomez and/or Amos?  OK, tell me how Rivera did last year, he must have won all or nearly all of his matches with plenty of pins and techs, right?

Geez, maybe vic is a huge rivera fan. Gosh if someone says something positive about a Badger better watch out!

At this point I will say Rivera is going to do better than Gross, Gomez. Why you ask? Neither are on the active roster and their competing days with the Badgers are over! Really bad compare and and using Amos isn't that good. Hamiti is a stud and probably the best wrestler on the team.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: dad 2 5 on July 17, 2023, 06:17:46 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PMRoster Update:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos, Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Christensen, Johnson, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke

* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.

Added Johnson to HWY; Moved Amos back to 97
 

Now what do we think of this line-up?
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: walden_hiker on July 17, 2023, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on July 17, 2023, 06:17:46 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PMRoster Update:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos, Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Christensen, Johnson, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke

* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.

Added Johnson to HWY; Moved Amos back to 97
 

Now what do we think of this line-up?
Johnson is class of '24
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: BadgerOne on July 17, 2023, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on July 17, 2023, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on July 17, 2023, 06:17:46 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PMRoster Update:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos, Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Christensen, Johnson, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke

* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.

Added Johnson to HWY; Moved Amos back to 97
 

Now what do we think of this line-up?
Johnson is class of '24
Yes, Dillan is not in next year's class, so we'll have to wait a year to see him in Wisconsin, but I think he's much better than Christensen already.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: dad 2 5 on August 02, 2023, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PMRoster Update:

125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke

* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.
 

two months and they get to officially practice. Any one excited? Who makes the biggest jump in wins and in competitiveness.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: tigerking on August 05, 2023, 06:36:26 AM
It appears Amos will not be on the mat this year for Wisconsin with either a medical or Olympic Redshirt. This is a bottom 4 team in the Big 10.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: hammer on August 05, 2023, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: tigerking on August 05, 2023, 06:36:26 AMIt appears Amos will not be on the mat this year for Wisconsin with either a medical or Olympic Redshirt. This is a bottom 4 team in the Big 10.

I heard he had shoulder surgery, wouldn't that qualify for a medical reshirt?
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on August 06, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: hammer on August 05, 2023, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: tigerking on August 05, 2023, 06:36:26 AMIt appears Amos will not be on the mat this year for Wisconsin with either a medical or Olympic Redshirt. This is a bottom 4 team in the Big 10.

I heard he had shoulder surgery, wouldn't that qualify for a medical reshirt?

It should qualify as a medical redshirt, but Braxton already qualifies as an Olympic redshirt (I believe) because he was a past World Team Member. So if he does not use the medical redshirt he could save it for another year.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: mkm13 on August 06, 2023, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: tigerking on August 05, 2023, 06:36:26 AMIt appears Amos will not be on the mat this year for Wisconsin with either a medical or Olympic Redshirt. This is a bottom 4 team in the Big 10.

It would have been bottom 4 with or without Amos.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: dad 2 5 on September 27, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
couple weeks from first practice. What is the line up going to look like? Two AA, maybe a couple more NQ?
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Grapl on September 28, 2023, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on September 27, 2023, 07:56:12 PMcouple weeks from first practice. What is the line up going to look like? Two AA, maybe a couple more NQ?
I guess we should be pleased if this happens   ::)
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on October 19, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
Updated Badger Projection:

125 - Barnett, Kruse FR
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt FR
141 - Lettini, Nilo FR
149 - Zargo, Medora, George FR
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Anderson, Condon FR, Mitrovich FR
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Russo FR 
285 - Christensen, Rosenfeld, Empey, Klarkowski, Schmidtke

Per uwbadgers.com, David Mitrovich is added to the roster. State Qualifier from California

Per Intermat interview, Coach Bono indicated:

* Barnett is looking very determined at 125.   
* 133 is too close to call. 4-way battle!
* Zargo looking stronger at 149.
* Hamiti is Hamiti". He is looking great. He was disappointed in his 6th place finish last year.
* Freshman Dylan Russo has cut to 197, setting up a battle with Talshahar for the varsity spot.
* 285 is very competitive between Christenson, Rosenfeld, Empey and Klarkowski.
* Coach Bono said the 7 freshmen are as good of a freshmen class he has ever been around.
* Team has been working very hard all summer and fall.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Ray Williams on October 20, 2023, 11:26:02 AM
It's a little strange that Bono mentioned a 4 way at 133,i heard that two of those kids have blown out shoulders.One for the second time.
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: WiscFan on October 20, 2023, 08:58:47 PM
Season is here gentlemen. Anyone have any hot takes?

I'll predict the starters.

* 125  Barnett. Will AA. One of my favs.
* 133  Bobzien. Then 50/50 between Nicolar and Fugitt (very competitive here). Coy is tough too.
* 141  Lettini
* 149  Zargo. Will AA
* 157  Mechler ?
* 165  Hamiti. Will AA
* 174  Maylor. Then Condon (Reader saying good things about Condon)
* 184  Liegel. He's The Guy at 84's.
* 197  Talshahar then Russo.
* 285  Christensen then Rosenfeld (Rooting for Big Pete since he's the R-Jr)
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: littleguy301 on October 21, 2023, 04:34:42 PM
Russo is going to be a tough out for Mikey. Now that Dylan weight is down to 197 he could be a monster problem there!
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on November 04, 2023, 07:52:19 PM
Updated Badger Weights:

125 - Barnett, Kruse FR
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt FR
141 - Lettini, Nilo FR
149 - Zargo, Medora, Sheen, George FR
157 - Mechler, Model, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Calhoun
174 - Maylor, Otto, Anderson, Condon FR, Mitrovich FR
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Russo FR 
285 - Christensen, Rosenfeld, Empey, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
Title: Re: Badgers 2023-2024 Projection
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on November 14, 2023, 08:37:01 AM
Updated Badger Weights: (After Michigan State Open)

125 - Barnett
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt FR, Kruse FR
141 - Lettini
149 - Zargo, Medora, Sheen, George FR
157 - Mechler, Model, Goebel, Nilo FR
165 - Hamiti, Calhoun
174 - Maylor, Otto, Anderson, Condon FR, Mitrovich FR
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Russo FR
285 - Christensen, Rosenfeld, Empey, Klarkowski, Schmidtke

Only one wrestler at 125, 141 and 184.