Just saw on flo that Rowley is in the portal
Quote from: vsmf2010 on April 24, 2023, 11:39:32 AMJust saw on flo that Rowley is in the portal
Just went to grocery and grabbed some microwave popcorn to enjoy the spin show to commence.
https://twitter.com/jamesrow_1/status/1650531176782651394?s=46&t=Y9AQjm8mjYx-c0AbCmUcNA
Unfortunate it did not work out. Having said that, he was 8-8 last year and appeared to have a long ways to go to make an impact in the big 10.
I believe Askren said at one point last year Otto was beating him as well. Who knows if that is still true.
Either way, hope he finds success somewhere.
Rowley leaving basically cements the last recruiting class as being very poor. The last 2 recruiting classes have been more typical of the types of recruits Davis was getting, except we now can't recruit WI kids for the most part.
I am ready for a change. Not because Bono and co haven't improved the Badgers, but because AWA is going nowhere and is improving overall. If we had Buchanan, O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco to go along with Barnett we would be looking at a easy team trophy this year. Look at the WI kids that are leaving Whiting, Mirasola x2, Messenbrink, Sinclair, Hopke, etc. I agree with the posters about needing to support, but Pinnacle and AWA aren't supporting UW. The 2 best local clubs, and in general the state of Wisconsin's wrestlers are going elsewhere.
If one of the AWA guys was the coach we wouldn't have that.
Probably took his Scholey money to give to someone else in the portal.
Quote from: No One Cares on April 24, 2023, 11:52:22 AMQuote from: vsmf2010 on April 24, 2023, 11:39:32 AMJust saw on flo that Rowley is in the portal
Just went to grocery and grabbed some microwave popcorn to enjoy the spin show to commence.
;D
I shouldn't comment but cutting him down to 174 probably wasn't a great idea since they wanted recruited him as 184/197 so I read. Sometimes stuff doesn't work out and beat of luck to him in the future.
I wonder if the recent transfer had anything to do with this?
Quote from: rjchev141 on April 24, 2023, 08:57:54 PMI wonder if the recent transfer had anything to do with this?
I was wondering that myself. Rowley could have still competed for the job at 184 and forced Liegel to 197 and Amos to Heavyweight,
Tal-shahar (and Empey perhaps) are options at 197 but need to improve in the off season,
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Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on April 25, 2023, 09:37:22 AMQuote from: rjchev141 on April 24, 2023, 08:57:54 PMI wonder if the recent transfer had anything to do with this?
I was wondering that myself. Rowley could have still competed for the job at 184 and forced Liegel to 197 and Amos to Heavyweight,
Tal-shahar (and Empey perhaps) are options at 197 but need to improve in the off season,
LOL at the thought of Rowley forcing Braxton to move up. Now that Hilger has graduated, I suspect Braxton can beat anyone in the room at 184 and above easily. Braxton will decide what weight he wants to wrestle next year, though I suspect Bono could influence that decision. Unless Bono is going back to the portal, there will be holes at whatever upper weights that Braxton and Dean aren't wrestling. Hopefully, the hole at heavyweight is only a one year thing as Hopke is on his way. I heard he may announce this spring.
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 25, 2023, 10:21:10 AMBQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on April 25, 2023, 09:37:22 AMQuote from: rjchev141 on April 24, 2023, 08:57:54 PMI wonder if the recent transfer had anything to do with this?
I was wondering that myself. Rowley could have still competed for the job at 184 and forced Liegel to 197 and Amos to Heavyweight,
Tal-shahar (and Empey perhaps) are options at 197 but need to improve in the off season,
LOL at the thought of Rowley forcing Braxton to move up. Now that Hilger has graduated, I suspect Braxton can beat anyone in the room at 184 and above easily. Braxton will decide what weight he wants to wrestle next year, though I suspect Bono could influence that decision. Unless Bono is going back to the portal, there will be holes at whatever upper weights that Braxton and Dean aren't wrestling. Hopefully, the hole at heavyweight is only a one year thing as Hopke is on his way. I heard he may announce this spring.
Amos is probably moving to heavyweight.
Wish him success. Doesn't always work the way everyone wants it to.
Quote from: wrastle63 on April 24, 2023, 01:03:45 PMI am ready for a change. Not because Bono and co haven't improved the Badgers, but because AWA is going nowhere and is improving overall. If we had Buchanan, O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco to go along with Barnett we would be looking at a easy team trophy this year. Look at the WI kids that are leaving Whiting, Mirasola x2, Messenbrink, Sinclair, Hopke, etc. I agree with the posters about needing to support, but Pinnacle and AWA aren't supporting UW. The 2 best local clubs, and in general the state of Wisconsin's wrestlers are going elsewhere.
If one of the AWA guys was the coach we wouldn't have that.
Well..since you seem to think we wouldn't have this with Ben as a coach, lets flip the script and do a little exercise in assessing the outcome of AWA over the last 10 years that Ben has been bashing Davis and Bono
On the Division I level, success is largely determined by how many points you can score and place as a team in the NCAA tournament (and a slightly smaller degree in the Big Ten tournament). With that at a reference point, lets look back at the D1 AA success of AWA.
Conservatively (correct me if my numbers are way off) but let say that AWA has had 300+ kids come through their multiple sites youth program from 2014-2023. In this 10 year window how many AA's have trained at AWA? To the best of my recollection, I come up with three: O'Toole, Keickheisen (two absolute studs) and Mocco this year. So, three out of 300+ kids equates out to less than 1%. And in the 5 year window of 2014-2019, that number is 0%
Humm... not sure that this could be considered a successful production, at a D1 level.
Quote from: novice wrestler on April 26, 2023, 10:14:43 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on April 24, 2023, 01:03:45 PMI am ready for a change. Not because Bono and co haven't improved the Badgers, but because AWA is going nowhere and is improving overall. If we had Buchanan, O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco to go along with Barnett we would be looking at a easy team trophy this year. Look at the WI kids that are leaving Whiting, Mirasola x2, Messenbrink, Sinclair, Hopke, etc. I agree with the posters about needing to support, but Pinnacle and AWA aren't supporting UW. The 2 best local clubs, and in general the state of Wisconsin's wrestlers are going elsewhere.
If one of the AWA guys was the coach we wouldn't have that.
Well..since you seem to think we wouldn't have this with Ben as a coach, lets flip the script and do a little exercise in assessing the outcome of AWA over the last 10 years that Ben has been bashing Davis and Bono
On the Division I level, success is largely determined by how many points you can score and place as a team in the NCAA tournament (and a slightly smaller degree in the Big Ten tournament). With that at a reference point, lets look back at the D1 AA success of AWA.
Conservatively (correct me if my numbers are way off) but let say that AWA has had 300+ kids come through their multiple sites youth program from 2014-2023. In this 10 year window how many AA's have trained at AWA? To the best of my recollection, I come up with three: O'Toole, Keickheisen (two absolute studs) and Mocco this year. So, three out of 300+ kids equates out to less than 1%. And in the 5 year window of 2014-2019, that number is 0%
Humm... not sure that this could be considered a successful production, at a D1 level.
very interesting points you bring up. data can be interpreted many ways. First I think these numbers will sky rocket in the next 10 but that is an opinion. Also you start by saying scoring points, and you can score points even if you dont AA.
Nationally there are 247,000 wrestlers, and 1% of those end up at D1 schools
So that means roughly 2,474 kids are wrestling d1
of those 80 AA
so if AWA is getting almost 4% of the AA, that seems like a pretty big number to me
Quote from: kmoc33 on April 26, 2023, 01:03:38 PMQuote from: novice wrestler on April 26, 2023, 10:14:43 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on April 24, 2023, 01:03:45 PMI am ready for a change. Not because Bono and co haven't improved the Badgers, but because AWA is going nowhere and is improving overall. If we had Buchanan, O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco to go along with Barnett we would be looking at a easy team trophy this year. Look at the WI kids that are leaving Whiting, Mirasola x2, Messenbrink, Sinclair, Hopke, etc. I agree with the posters about needing to support, but Pinnacle and AWA aren't supporting UW. The 2 best local clubs, and in general the state of Wisconsin's wrestlers are going elsewhere.
If one of the AWA guys was the coach we wouldn't have that.
Well..since you seem to think we wouldn't have this with Ben as a coach, lets flip the script and do a little exercise in assessing the outcome of AWA over the last 10 years that Ben has been bashing Davis and Bono
On the Division I level, success is largely determined by how many points you can score and place as a team in the NCAA tournament (and a slightly smaller degree in the Big Ten tournament). With that at a reference point, lets look back at the D1 AA success of AWA.
Conservatively (correct me if my numbers are way off) but let say that AWA has had 300+ kids come through their multiple sites youth program from 2014-2023. In this 10 year window how many AA's have trained at AWA? To the best of my recollection, I come up with three: O'Toole, Keickheisen (two absolute studs) and Mocco this year. So, three out of 300+ kids equates out to less than 1%. And in the 5 year window of 2014-2019, that number is 0%
Humm... not sure that this could be considered a successful production, at a D1 level.
very interesting points you bring up. data can be interpreted many ways. First I think these numbers will sky rocket in the next 10 but that is an opinion. Also you start by saying scoring points, and you can score points even if you dont AA.
Nationally there are 247,000 wrestlers, and 1% of those end up at D1 schools
So that means roughly 2,474 kids are wrestling d1
of those 80 AA
so if AWA is getting almost 4% of the AA, that seems like a pretty big number to me
True you don't have to be an AA to score points. Five or six guys scoring 2 to 4 points isn't going to getting it done!! The big points and ultimate success comes from how many AA's you have per year. Ben has been questioning the success at UW for 10 years so that decade is the reference point. That means there has be 800 AA in the past 10 years and 3 AA are from AWA. That is well below .01 %, so again you can argue that is not really successful
The real point for this is show that you need to be careful on how much you bash someone else's success when your record of success really isn't that stellar. "People who live is glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
Quote from: novice wrestler on April 26, 2023, 01:40:19 PMQuote from: kmoc33 on April 26, 2023, 01:03:38 PMQuote from: novice wrestler on April 26, 2023, 10:14:43 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on April 24, 2023, 01:03:45 PMI am ready for a change. Not because Bono and co haven't improved the Badgers, but because AWA is going nowhere and is improving overall. If we had Buchanan, O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco to go along with Barnett we would be looking at a easy team trophy this year. Look at the WI kids that are leaving Whiting, Mirasola x2, Messenbrink, Sinclair, Hopke, etc. I agree with the posters about needing to support, but Pinnacle and AWA aren't supporting UW. The 2 best local clubs, and in general the state of Wisconsin's wrestlers are going elsewhere.
If one of the AWA guys was the coach we wouldn't have that.
Well..since you seem to think we wouldn't have this with Ben as a coach, lets flip the script and do a little exercise in assessing the outcome of AWA over the last 10 years that Ben has been bashing Davis and Bono
On the Division I level, success is largely determined by how many points you can score and place as a team in the NCAA tournament (and a slightly smaller degree in the Big Ten tournament). With that at a reference point, lets look back at the D1 AA success of AWA.
Conservatively (correct me if my numbers are way off) but let say that AWA has had 300+ kids come through their multiple sites youth program from 2014-2023. In this 10 year window how many AA's have trained at AWA? To the best of my recollection, I come up with three: O'Toole, Keickheisen (two absolute studs) and Mocco this year. So, three out of 300+ kids equates out to less than 1%. And in the 5 year window of 2014-2019, that number is 0%
Humm... not sure that this could be considered a successful production, at a D1 level.
very interesting points you bring up. data can be interpreted many ways. First I think these numbers will sky rocket in the next 10 but that is an opinion. Also you start by saying scoring points, and you can score points even if you dont AA.
Nationally there are 247,000 wrestlers, and 1% of those end up at D1 schools
So that means roughly 2,474 kids are wrestling d1
of those 80 AA
so if AWA is getting almost 4% of the AA, that seems like a pretty big number to me
True you don't have to be an AA to score points. Five or six guys scoring 2 to 4 points isn't going to getting it done!! The big points and ultimate success comes from how many AA's you have per year. Ben has been questioning the success at UW for 10 years so that decade is the reference point. That means there has be 800 AA in the past 10 years and 3 AA are from AWA. That is well below .01 %, so again you can argue that is not really successful
The real point for this is show that you need to be careful on how much you bash someone else's success when your record of success really isn't that stellar. "People who live is glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
I stand corrected, AWA has had 7 AA's (O'toole and Keickheisen are now 3x AA) over 10 years. Still below .01%
Quote from: novice wrestler on April 26, 2023, 01:40:19 PMQuote from: kmoc33 on April 26, 2023, 01:03:38 PMQuote from: novice wrestler on April 26, 2023, 10:14:43 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on April 24, 2023, 01:03:45 PMI am ready for a change. Not because Bono and co haven't improved the Badgers, but because AWA is going nowhere and is improving overall. If we had Buchanan, O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco to go along with Barnett we would be looking at a easy team trophy this year. Look at the WI kids that are leaving Whiting, Mirasola x2, Messenbrink, Sinclair, Hopke, etc. I agree with the posters about needing to support, but Pinnacle and AWA aren't supporting UW. The 2 best local clubs, and in general the state of Wisconsin's wrestlers are going elsewhere.
If one of the AWA guys was the coach we wouldn't have that.
Well..since you seem to think we wouldn't have this with Ben as a coach, lets flip the script and do a little exercise in assessing the outcome of AWA over the last 10 years that Ben has been bashing Davis and Bono
On the Division I level, success is largely determined by how many points you can score and place as a team in the NCAA tournament (and a slightly smaller degree in the Big Ten tournament). With that at a reference point, lets look back at the D1 AA success of AWA.
Conservatively (correct me if my numbers are way off) but let say that AWA has had 300+ kids come through their multiple sites youth program from 2014-2023. In this 10 year window how many AA's have trained at AWA? To the best of my recollection, I come up with three: O'Toole, Keickheisen (two absolute studs) and Mocco this year. So, three out of 300+ kids equates out to less than 1%. And in the 5 year window of 2014-2019, that number is 0%
Humm... not sure that this could be considered a successful production, at a D1 level.
very interesting points you bring up. data can be interpreted many ways. First I think these numbers will sky rocket in the next 10 but that is an opinion. Also you start by saying scoring points, and you can score points even if you dont AA.
Nationally there are 247,000 wrestlers, and 1% of those end up at D1 schools
So that means roughly 2,474 kids are wrestling d1
of those 80 AA
so if AWA is getting almost 4% of the AA, that seems like a pretty big number to me
True you don't have to be an AA to score points. Five or six guys scoring 2 to 4 points isn't going to getting it done!! The big points and ultimate success comes from how many AA's you have per year. Ben has been questioning the success at UW for 10 years so that decade is the reference point. That means there has be 800 AA in the past 10 years and 3 AA are from AWA. That is well below .01 %, so again you can argue that is not really successful
The real point for this is show that you need to be careful on how much you bash someone else's success when your record of success really isn't that stellar. "People who live is glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
then it would be 7 AA out of 720 over that time period. (one was cancelled) .97, still under 1% but I would argue that is stellar considering these kids being talked about were 11-12 at the beginning of the data. Over the last 3 years he has had 2.5% , 2.5% , and 3.75% of the AA. The number of kids being sent to D1 has drastically improved and continue to rise. So one could assume so will the % of AA.
Quote from: kmoc33 on April 26, 2023, 03:12:57 PMQuote from: novice wrestler on April 26, 2023, 01:40:19 PMQuote from: kmoc33 on April 26, 2023, 01:03:38 PMQuote from: novice wrestler on April 26, 2023, 10:14:43 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on April 24, 2023, 01:03:45 PMI am ready for a change. Not because Bono and co haven't improved the Badgers, but because AWA is going nowhere and is improving overall. If we had Buchanan, O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco to go along with Barnett we would be looking at a easy team trophy this year. Look at the WI kids that are leaving Whiting, Mirasola x2, Messenbrink, Sinclair, Hopke, etc. I agree with the posters about needing to support, but Pinnacle and AWA aren't supporting UW. The 2 best local clubs, and in general the state of Wisconsin's wrestlers are going elsewhere.
If one of the AWA guys was the coach we wouldn't have that.
Well..since you seem to think we wouldn't have this with Ben as a coach, lets flip the script and do a little exercise in assessing the outcome of AWA over the last 10 years that Ben has been bashing Davis and Bono
On the Division I level, success is largely determined by how many points you can score and place as a team in the NCAA tournament (and a slightly smaller degree in the Big Ten tournament). With that at a reference point, lets look back at the D1 AA success of AWA.
Conservatively (correct me if my numbers are way off) but let say that AWA has had 300+ kids come through their multiple sites youth program from 2014-2023. In this 10 year window how many AA's have trained at AWA? To the best of my recollection, I come up with three: O'Toole, Keickheisen (two absolute studs) and Mocco this year. So, three out of 300+ kids equates out to less than 1%. And in the 5 year window of 2014-2019, that number is 0%
Humm... not sure that this could be considered a successful production, at a D1 level.
very interesting points you bring up. data can be interpreted many ways. First I think these numbers will sky rocket in the next 10 but that is an opinion. Also you start by saying scoring points, and you can score points even if you dont AA.
Nationally there are 247,000 wrestlers, and 1% of those end up at D1 schools
So that means roughly 2,474 kids are wrestling d1
of those 80 AA
so if AWA is getting almost 4% of the AA, that seems like a pretty big number to me
True you don't have to be an AA to score points. Five or six guys scoring 2 to 4 points isn't going to getting it done!! The big points and ultimate success comes from how many AA's you have per year. Ben has been questioning the success at UW for 10 years so that decade is the reference point. That means there has be 800 AA in the past 10 years and 3 AA are from AWA. That is well below .01 %, so again you can argue that is not really successful
The real point for this is show that you need to be careful on how much you bash someone else's success when your record of success really isn't that stellar. "People who live is glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
then it would be 7 AA out of 720 over that time period. (one was cancelled) .97, still under 1% but I would argue that is stellar considering these kids being talked about were 11-12 at the beginning of the data. Over the last 3 years he has had 2.5% , 2.5% , and 3.75% of the AA. The number of kids being sent to D1 has drastically improved and continue to rise. So one could assume so will the % of AA.
I am sorry if I am not making myself clear. This is not about the current kids. I would love nothing more than to see these kids succeed on the national level and hopefully do it and representing their home state.
This is about Ben and his comments about the lack of success at UW over the past ten years. I am just making the point that success of the two programs is not significantly different. The leaders of both have goals and aspirations to be the best they can and both work hard to accomplish that. Can we agree on that?
I just dont believe in the idea of demeaning something makes you better than them. Just hoping for some humility
Quote from: wrastle63 on April 24, 2023, 01:03:45 PMI am ready for a change. Not because Bono and co haven't improved the Badgers, but because AWA is going nowhere and is improving overall. If we had Buchanan, O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco to go along with Barnett we would be looking at a easy team trophy this year. Look at the WI kids that are leaving Whiting, Mirasola x2, Messenbrink, Sinclair, Hopke, etc. I agree with the posters about needing to support, but Pinnacle and AWA aren't supporting UW. The 2 best local clubs, and in general the state of Wisconsin's wrestlers are going elsewhere.
If one of the AWA guys was the coach we wouldn't have that.
I understand this, but Askren is still a Mizzou alum and Smith is his mentor/coach. So I'd still expect him to be...expressing very positive opinions about going there.
Mirasola and Messenbrink picked the best Program and...honestly probably at a point when it's at it's best that it's been under Cael, so you're not guaranteed to get either. Throw Hopke into that mix.
Messenbrink is jumping to a team with Haines and Facundo(who did go 0-2, but was a big time recruit) with no RS and only the chance that Haines might RS and the Mirasola's are not the top ranked Wrestlers at the weights they're going to be at...which means they're going there, IMO, because they're THAT confident they can grow and develop on the NLWC and pass up guys like Barr, Ryder, maybe Sealey(probably more Messenbrink's weight).
Those are ballsy moves and I'd suspect a MAJOR reason behind those moves are because they want to Wrestle at the NLWC, not just for Cael.
And to be clear, I'm not suggesting Messenbrink is going somewhere he's unlikely to win the spot, just that he's going to a school that has two stud Freshmen coming back. He DID beat Haines in a best of 3(I believe 2 straight) last they met. And I think the Mirasola's are underrated.
Anyway, my point, just replacing Bono with a more AWA friendly coach doesn't mean you're getting a steady flow of the top AWA Wrestlers. You'll at least be in the mix, but it's not that simple. When you have Wrestlers like Messenbrink(in the portal) or Hopke, Sinclair, the Twins, I'd throw Millar(lots of others)...you're going to have a lot of programs lining up.
Rowley is committing to Purdue. He joins prior UW commits Greyson Clark and Hayden Copass there.
Move Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Why do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?
Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Quote from: MNbadger on May 20, 2023, 10:22:41 AMWhy do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Pay and Big Ten would be the first two things that come to me but I have no idea if Becker would be interested
Quote from: dad 2 5 on May 20, 2023, 01:36:31 PMQuote from: MNbadger on May 20, 2023, 10:22:41 AMWhy do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Pay and Big Ten would be the first two things that come to me but I have no idea if Becker would be interested
Based on what I've seen online, the Associate Head coach job (Reader's current job) pays more than double Becker's current salary, so Becker should be interested if he has D1 coaching aspirations. Reader/Becker should recruit better than Bono/Reader just in terms of instate recruiting and have greater access to AWA westlers. I think Reader would be able to recruit better nationally too. I think Bono has p*ssed off too many people in the wrestling community (beyond the Askrens) that has hindered his recruiting and Reader is viewed more positively. Plus, Becker probably is able to develop talent better than Bono in the wrestling room.
Quote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 02:32:44 PMQuote from: dad 2 5 on May 20, 2023, 01:36:31 PMQuote from: MNbadger on May 20, 2023, 10:22:41 AMWhy do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Pay and Big Ten would be the first two things that come to me but I have no idea if Becker would be interested
Based on what I've seen online, the Associate Head coach job (Reader's current job) pays more than double Becker's current salary, so Becker should be interested if he has D1 coaching aspirations. Reader/Becker should recruit better than Bono/Reader just in terms of instate recruiting and have greater access to AWA westlers. I think Reader would be able to recruit better nationally too. I think Bono has p*ssed off too many people in the wrestling community (beyond the Askrens) that has hindered his recruiting and Reader is viewed more positively. Plus, Becker probably is able to develop talent better than Bono in the wrestling room.
Um???
Becker has more experience and has a better recruiting record, wouldn't he be the head coach in this imaginary scenario?
Becker could also be drawing a salary from coaching the RTC as well? Plus camps and the fact that he owns a lot of rental properties around dinky town makes his income status a mystery.
Quote from: factfinder on May 20, 2023, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 02:32:44 PMQuote from: dad 2 5 on May 20, 2023, 01:36:31 PMQuote from: MNbadger on May 20, 2023, 10:22:41 AMWhy do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Pay and Big Ten would be the first two things that come to me but I have no idea if Becker would be interested
Based on what I've seen online, the Associate Head coach job (Reader's current job) pays more than double Becker's current salary, so Becker should be interested if he has D1 coaching aspirations. Reader/Becker should recruit better than Bono/Reader just in terms of instate recruiting and have greater access to AWA westlers. I think Reader would be able to recruit better nationally too. I think Bono has p*ssed off too many people in the wrestling community (beyond the Askrens) that has hindered his recruiting and Reader is viewed more positively. Plus, Becker probably is able to develop talent better than Bono in the wrestling room.
Um???
Becker has more experience and has a better recruiting record, wouldn't he be the head coach in this imaginary scenario?
Becker could also be drawing a salary from coaching the RTC as well? Plus camps and the fact that he owns a lot of rental properties around dinky town make his income status a mystery.
I assume he's talking about Nick Becker rather than Luke Becker, but the OP didn't specify. Nick Becker as head coach in the Big Ten would be a tough sell to the Wisconsin AD as he didn't even wrestle D1 in college. I think all or most Big Ten wrestling head coaches have been former D1 wrestlers and usually quite accomplished ones.
I assumed they were talking about Luke Becker.
Quote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 06:07:48 PMQuote from: factfinder on May 20, 2023, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 02:32:44 PMQuote from: dad 2 5 on May 20, 2023, 01:36:31 PMQuote from: MNbadger on May 20, 2023, 10:22:41 AMWhy do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Pay and Big Ten would be the first two things that come to me but I have no idea if Becker would be interested
Based on what I've seen online, the Associate Head coach job (Reader's current job) pays more than double Becker's current salary, so Becker should be interested if he has D1 coaching aspirations. Reader/Becker should recruit better than Bono/Reader just in terms of instate recruiting and have greater access to AWA westlers. I think Reader would be able to recruit better nationally too. I think Bono has p*ssed off too many people in the wrestling community (beyond the Askrens) that has hindered his recruiting and Reader is viewed more positively. Plus, Becker probably is able to develop talent better than Bono in the wrestling room.
Um???
Becker has more experience and has a better recruiting record, wouldn't he be the head coach in this imaginary scenario?
Becker could also be drawing a salary from coaching the RTC as well? Plus camps and the fact that he owns a lot of rental properties around dinky town make his income status a mystery.
I assume he's talking about Nick Becker rather than Luke Becker, but the OP didn't specify. Nick Becker as head coach in the Big Ten would be a tough sell to the Wisconsin AD as he didn't even wrestle D1 in college. I think all or most Big Ten wrestling head coaches have been former D1 wrestlers and usually quite accomplished ones.
It would be a tough sell for any D2 wrestler to coach at any level of D1 which is why I assumed they were talking about Luke.
Quote from: factfinder on May 20, 2023, 08:11:58 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 06:07:48 PMQuote from: factfinder on May 20, 2023, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 02:32:44 PMQuote from: dad 2 5 on May 20, 2023, 01:36:31 PMQuote from: MNbadger on May 20, 2023, 10:22:41 AMWhy do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Pay and Big Ten would be the first two things that come to me but I have no idea if Becker would be interested
Based on what I've seen online, the Associate Head coach job (Reader's current job) pays more than double Becker's current salary, so Becker should be interested if he has D1 coaching aspirations. Reader/Becker should recruit better than Bono/Reader just in terms of instate recruiting and have greater access to AWA westlers. I think Reader would be able to recruit better nationally too. I think Bono has p*ssed off too many people in the wrestling community (beyond the Askrens) that has hindered his recruiting and Reader is viewed more positively. Plus, Becker probably is able to develop talent better than Bono in the wrestling room.
Um???
Becker has more experience and has a better recruiting record, wouldn't he be the head coach in this imaginary scenario?
Becker could also be drawing a salary from coaching the RTC as well? Plus camps and the fact that he owns a lot of rental properties around dinky town make his income status a mystery.
I assume he's talking about Nick Becker rather than Luke Becker, but the OP didn't specify. Nick Becker as head coach in the Big Ten would be a tough sell to the Wisconsin AD as he didn't even wrestle D1 in college. I think all or most Big Ten wrestling head coaches have been former D1 wrestlers and usually quite accomplished ones.
It would be a tough sell for any D2 wrestler to coach at any level of D1 which is why I assumed they were talking about Luke.
I agree with what you've said, if the Becker in question is LUke Becker. The reason I assumed Nick Becker is that Ben Askren brought up Nick Becker's name as someone who he thinks is a good coach under the thread "Badgers under Bono". Someone else in a later thread mentioned they thought Askren or Becker (didn't specify first name) would help instate recruiting, so since Ben Askren had mentioned specifically Nick B earlier, I assumed they were also referring to Nick Becker here, though I could be mistaken.
Quote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 10:34:44 PMQuote from: factfinder on May 20, 2023, 08:11:58 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 06:07:48 PMQuote from: factfinder on May 20, 2023, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 02:32:44 PMQuote from: dad 2 5 on May 20, 2023, 01:36:31 PMQuote from: MNbadger on May 20, 2023, 10:22:41 AMWhy do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Pay and Big Ten would be the first two things that come to me but I have no idea if Becker would be interested
Based on what I've seen online, the Associate Head coach job (Reader's current job) pays more than double Becker's current salary, so Becker should be interested if he has D1 coaching aspirations. Reader/Becker should recruit better than Bono/Reader just in terms of instate recruiting and have greater access to AWA westlers. I think Reader would be able to recruit better nationally too. I think Bono has p*ssed off too many people in the wrestling community (beyond the Askrens) that has hindered his recruiting and Reader is viewed more positively. Plus, Becker probably is able to develop talent better than Bono in the wrestling room.
Um???
Becker has more experience and has a better recruiting record, wouldn't he be the head coach in this imaginary scenario?
Becker could also be drawing a salary from coaching the RTC as well? Plus camps and the fact that he owns a lot of rental properties around dinky town make his income status a mystery.
I assume he's talking about Nick Becker rather than Luke Becker, but the OP didn't specify. Nick Becker as head coach in the Big Ten would be a tough sell to the Wisconsin AD as he didn't even wrestle D1 in college. I think all or most Big Ten wrestling head coaches have been former D1 wrestlers and usually quite accomplished ones.
It would be a tough sell for any D2 wrestler to coach at any level of D1 which is why I assumed they were talking about Luke.
I agree with what you've said, if the Becker in question is LUke Becker. The reason I assumed Nick Becker is that Ben Askren brought up Nick Becker's name as someone who he thinks is a good coach under the thread "Badgers under Bono". Someone else in a later thread mentioned they thought Askren or Becker (didn't specify first name) would help instate recruiting, so since Ben Askren had mentioned specifically Nick B earlier, I assumed they were also referring to Nick Becker here due to his connection to Wisconsin, though I could be mistaken.
Quote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 10:34:44 PMQuote from: factfinder on May 20, 2023, 08:11:58 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 06:07:48 PMQuote from: factfinder on May 20, 2023, 04:15:08 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on May 20, 2023, 02:32:44 PMQuote from: dad 2 5 on May 20, 2023, 01:36:31 PMQuote from: MNbadger on May 20, 2023, 10:22:41 AMWhy do you assume Becker wants to go to UW?Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 20, 2023, 09:22:08 AMMove Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved.
Pay and Big Ten would be the first two things that come to me but I have no idea if Becker would be interested
Based on what I've seen online, the Associate Head coach job (Reader's current job) pays more than double Becker's current salary, so Becker should be interested if he has D1 coaching aspirations. Reader/Becker should recruit better than Bono/Reader just in terms of instate recruiting and have greater access to AWA westlers. I think Reader would be able to recruit better nationally too. I think Bono has p*ssed off too many people in the wrestling community (beyond the Askrens) that has hindered his recruiting and Reader is viewed more positively. Plus, Becker probably is able to develop talent better than Bono in the wrestling room.
Um???
Becker has more experience and has a better recruiting record, wouldn't he be the head coach in this imaginary scenario?
Becker could also be drawing a salary from coaching the RTC as well? Plus camps and the fact that he owns a lot of rental properties around dinky town make his income status a mystery.
I assume he's talking about Nick Becker rather than Luke Becker, but the OP didn't specify. Nick Becker as head coach in the Big Ten would be a tough sell to the Wisconsin AD as he didn't even wrestle D1 in college. I think all or most Big Ten wrestling head coaches have been former D1 wrestlers and usually quite accomplished ones.
It would be a tough sell for any D2 wrestler to coach at any level of D1 which is why I assumed they were talking about Luke.
I agree with what you've said, if the Becker in question is LUke Becker. The reason I assumed Nick Becker is that Ben Askren brought up Nick Becker's name as someone who he thinks is a good coach under the thread "Badgers under Bono". Someone else in a later thread mentioned they thought Askren or Becker (didn't specify first name) would help instate recruiting, so since Ben Askren had mentioned specifically Nick B earlier, I assumed they were also referring to Nick Becker here, though I could be mistaken.
Nick Becker wrestled his first season at Central Michigan.
Better tall Mark Manning that he should quit coaching at Nebraska because he only wrestled at a DII school.
Quote from: SP on May 21, 2023, 07:24:56 AMBetter tall Mark Manning that he should quit coaching at Nebraska because he only wrestled at a DII school.
From his bio, he started wrestling for Nebraska (D1), then transferred to D2. He also made the US Team for four years. But like Becker, his college accomplishments are from D2. But Manning had to make his mark as an assistant coach before being head coach.
Move Reader up and bring in Becker on the coaching staff, problem solved. That means Reader would be head coach and Nick would be an assistant coach.
Why the assumption a long term assistant coach under Bono would be any better at recruiting and development then what is happening now?
Quote from: asdf on May 21, 2023, 05:22:57 PMWhy the assumption a long term assistant coach under Bono would be any better at recruiting and development then what is happening now?
Not to mention why Reader suddenly take away the head coaching position from someone he's worked with for years and is probably good friends with and bring on board someone he doesn't know very well at all.
My the absurdist fantasies around here. Amazing!
I've heard Reader and Becker have a pretty good relationship.
Maybe Rowley left because Maylor was coming and didn't want to be behind him.
Maybe we got Maylor because Rowley's scholarship money opened up.
Either way Maylor is a good stop gap for one year and allows Condon to RS and wrestle with an experienced guy all season.
Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on May 22, 2023, 06:00:21 PMI've heard Reader and Becker have a pretty good relationship.
Reader has a good relationship with everyone. That's one of his strongest qualities as a coach. He is just a great all around guy on and off the mat.
Quote from: wrestlemania on May 22, 2023, 12:51:02 PMQuote from: asdf on May 21, 2023, 05:22:57 PMWhy the assumption a long term assistant coach under Bono would be any better at recruiting and development then what is happening now?
Not to mention why Reader suddenly take away the head coaching position from someone he's worked with for years and is probably good friends with and bring on board someone he doesn't know very well at all.
My the absurdist fantasies around here. Amazing!
I don't think it's absurd to think that Reader would take the HC'ing job...and frankly, I'd hope...in an admittedly wildly speculative hypothetical in which Bono is fired, he would give Reader his blessing.
As for Becker, Nick Becker was a 3X undefeated D2 National Champion. 89-0. He dominated for 3 years. I think there's a little too much emphasis placed on what division he wrestled. He Wrestled with, and beat some of the best in the Country at US Opens.
He's not going to have an immediate impact like David Taylor or Kyle Dake, but I'm not sure kids are real familiar with Tom Ryan, Mike Poeta, or most coaches, Bono included.
I don't believe any of this is going to happen as Becker is working with at least 2 Brothers right now(I think Craig and Brad are assistants, not sure if Kyle is involved, but I'm sure he's present). He's building a pretty successful D2 program.
I don't believe any of this is going to happen or it's even on McIntosh's radar. But the idea that Becker couldn't or wouldn't thrive because he Wrestled D2...I think that's lacking foresight.