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Title: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 08:22:22 AM
I heard he scheduled a visit to the Badgers for football this month.  He's a helluva wrestler and if he signed with the football team, maybe he'll want to wrestle too.  Iowa's next heavy, Keuter,  is doing both football and wrestling.  He's literally the best heavyweight the Badgers could probably get outside of Hopke and if he's on a football scholly, wouldn't use up any of the 9.9.  He could be a stud heavyweight or be a great practice partner for Hopke.  Either way it would be huge!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: wrastle63 on March 22, 2023, 08:29:03 AM
Big connection with Dean going to the same HS.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 22, 2023, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 08:22:22 AMI heard he scheduled a visit to the Badgers for football this month.  He's a helluva wrestler and if he signed with the football team, maybe he'll want to wrestle too.  Iowa's next heavy, Keuter,  is doing both football and wrestling.  He's literally the best heavyweight the Badgers could probably get outside of Hopke and if he's on a football scholly, wouldn't use up any of the 9.9.  He could be a stud heavyweight or be a great practice partner for Hopke.  Either way it would be huge!

Would be a great get for sure! I doubt there is a power five coach that has a stronger relationship to wrestling than coach Fickell so the UW would be the perfect choice for a young man who would like to explore participating in both sports.

On a related note coach Fickell was a regular at home duals after his hiring which was awesome to see.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AM
Ok.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AMOk.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.

Difficult, hmmm.  Well, true, but its not like it hasn't been done before and who is saying Dillan can't do it if he is determined enough.  Curley Culp was an NCAA champion wrestler and also All-American football player, who later became a 6 time pro-bowler in NFL.  Carlton Haselrig, won numerous NCAA wrestling titles, though he first attempted to play college football but got hurt and transferred to school without football, and later became a pro-bowler in NFL.  Wisconsin's own Tim Krumrie played both sports for the Badgers and also became a pro-bowler. If Ben and/or Dillan can play both sports in college, they will be in good company.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Junkyardpig on March 22, 2023, 10:50:56 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AMOk.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.

Kueter is not even being sniffed to be drafted in baseball!  Just spewing out random made up facts LOL. 
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: kmoc33 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AMOk.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.

Difficult, hmmm.  Well, true, but its not like it hasn't been done before and who is saying Dillan can't do it if he is determined enough.  Curley Culp was an NCAA champion wrestler and also All-American football player, who later became a 6 time pro-bowler in NFL.  Carlton Haselrig, won numerous NCAA wrestling titles, though he first attempted to play college football but got hurt and transferred to school without football, and later became a pro-bowler in NFL.  Wisconsin's own Tim Krumrie played both sports for the Badgers and also became a pro-bowler. If Ben and/or Dillan can play both sports in college, they will be in good company.


I really think you are under selling the difficulty of this. If they can do it then kudos to them. I read this post and wondered who is the last to do it and I found Josh Hockit from Fresno a few years back. But other than that I cant think of a recent person that has been able to do it at such a high level. Anyone think of any recent names? Fickell himself said it was too difficult and that is why he quit wrestling. This is not to say that one doesnt help the other. Just referring to how difficult it would be on the person
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: bigoil on March 22, 2023, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 08:22:22 AMI heard he scheduled a visit to the Badgers for football this month.  He's a helluva wrestler and if he signed with the football team, maybe he'll want to wrestle too.  Iowa's next heavy, Keuter,  is doing both football and wrestling.  He's literally the best heavyweight the Badgers could probably get outside of Hopke and if he's on a football scholly, wouldn't use up any of the 9.9.  He could be a stud heavyweight or be a great practice partner for Hopke.  Either way it would be huge!
I could be wrong but historically, that Scholly had to fall on the non-rev team scholarship allocation. Not aware of that changing but could be wrong.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: DocWrestling on March 22, 2023, 12:25:14 PM
There is a rule affecting scholarships for two sport athletes

This rule was really put in place for football and baseball/track because sports regular seasons do not overlap.  Rule is something like you cannot give a sprinter a 1/2 scholarship and then if he plays football not count him on your 85 count. 

A partial scholarship in any sport would count as a full scholarship in sports like football and basketball.

So a the 1/2 scholarship sprinter can play football but then they can only have 84 full scholarship players.

I don't think it matters the other way though.  A football player on full scholarship I believe can do any other sport and not count against their scholarship limits?  UW has had football players run track at times including Johnathon Taylor.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: bigoil on March 22, 2023, 12:34:28 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 22, 2023, 12:25:14 PMThere is a rule affecting scholarships for two sport athletes

This rule was really put in place for football and baseball/track because sports regular seasons do not overlap.  Rule is something like you cannot give a sprinter a 1/2 scholarship and then if he plays football not count him on your 85 count. 

A partial scholarship in any sport would count as a full scholarship in sports like football and basketball.

So a the 1/2 scholarship sprinter can play football but then they can only have 84 full scholarship players.

I don't think it matters the other way though.  A football player on full scholarship I believe can do any other sport and not count against their scholarship limits?  UW has had football players run track at times including Johnathon Taylor.
thanks Doc
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AMOk.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.

Difficult, hmmm.  Well, true, but its not like it hasn't been done before and who is saying Dillan can't do it if he is determined enough.  Curley Culp was an NCAA champion wrestler and also All-American football player, who later became a 6 time pro-bowler in NFL.  Carlton Haselrig, won numerous NCAA wrestling titles, though he first attempted to play college football but got hurt and transferred to school without football, and later became a pro-bowler in NFL.  Wisconsin's own Tim Krumrie played both sports for the Badgers and also became a pro-bowler. If Ben and/or Dillan can play both sports in college, they will be in good company.


40 years ago Tim K and well over 30 for hasselrig. Times have changes alot and being a 2 sport college athlete like football and wrestling will be very tough. I am.sure it.can be done but in this day and age very rare.

The demands for.both sports have changed quite a bit and it would take alot to do both.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: SP on March 22, 2023, 07:31:00 PM
Haselrig didn't play football in college.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: npope on March 22, 2023, 07:55:43 PM
1972 - Ed Vatch came to the UW on a football scholarship and Mike Jenkins (state wrestling champ from River Falls) came to the UW on a wrestling scholarship. I think they were even roommates, although not sure on that point. Both participated in both wrestling and football their freshman years and after the first year, they each decided to switch their scholarships so that Vatch could pursue wrestling and Jenkins pursue football, exclusively. Vatch was the wrestling captain his senior year and Jenkins spent three years as a starter on the football team.

The world was a simpler place back then.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 08:24:34 PM

Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AMOk.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.

Difficult, hmmm.  Well, true, but its not like it hasn't been done before and who is saying Dillan can't do it if he is determined enough.  Curley Culp was an NCAA champion wrestler and also All-American football player, who later became a 6 time pro-bowler in NFL.  Carlton Haselrig, won numerous NCAA wrestling titles, though he first attempted to play college football but got hurt and transferred to school without football, and later became a pro-bowler in NFL.  Wisconsin's own Tim Krumrie played both sports for the Badgers and also became a pro-bowler. If Ben and/or Dillan can play both sports in college, they will be in good company.


40 years ago Tim K and well over 30 for hasselrig. Times have changes alot and being a 2 sport college athlete like football and wrestling will be very tough. I am.sure it.can be done but in this day and age very rare.

The demands for.both sports have changed quite a bit and it would take alot to do both.

Its rare because you don't find many guys that are elite in both sports and want to compete in both, but Johnson might be one of those rare guys.  I don't know if its any tougher today.  Wrestlers are wrestling fewer matches these days and Johnson, if he were the starter, could wrestle an abbreviated season following football season and place high enough in the Big Tens to get to the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Vir Fortis on March 23, 2023, 05:01:27 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AMOk.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.

Difficult, hmmm.  Well, true, but its not like it hasn't been done before and who is saying Dillan can't do it if he is determined enough.  Curley Culp was an NCAA champion wrestler and also All-American football player, who later became a 6 time pro-bowler in NFL.  Carlton Haselrig, won numerous NCAA wrestling titles, though he first attempted to play college football but got hurt and transferred to school without football, and later became a pro-bowler in NFL.  Wisconsin's own Tim Krumrie played both sports for the Badgers and also became a pro-bowler. If Ben and/or Dillan can play both sports in college, they will be in good company.



You're going back to the 60s for Culp. The game has changed more than a little bit since then.
Haselrig, like Neal didn't play Football...so that's a moot point.
Krumrie wrestled for 2 years and then focused on Football.

Kueter is a 6'4 225LB OLBer who could very well be drafted in 3 years. NFL teams prefer 1st round picks to be 22 or younger(preferably 21 as that's how old the majority are).

A RS year in Wrestling and then 4 more years would put him at 24 going on 25 as a Rookie.

If he's a stud Edge at Iowa, he's costing himself MILLIONS of dollars. They have a backup who's projected to be a 1st round pick this year(to the Packers in many mock drafts) who's 21 years old).

I'd say his chances of Wrestling a full career at Iowa are a long shot, particularly if he's on the field getting snaps this year for the Football team.


Edit-Hopefully he becomes the guy who breaks the trend, but every year there seem to be a couple HWTs who plan on doing both...and it seldom materializes. Mullen plans on doing both, Parris, Coon IIRC.

Johnson may be even more difficult as they'd almost certainly want him playing at ~300 pounds...meaning he'd have to cut to Wrestle. Seems like a lot to ask.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: kmoc33 on March 24, 2023, 08:30:22 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AMOk.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.

Difficult, hmmm.  Well, true, but its not like it hasn't been done before and who is saying Dillan can't do it if he is determined enough.  Curley Culp was an NCAA champion wrestler and also All-American football player, who later became a 6 time pro-bowler in NFL.  Carlton Haselrig, won numerous NCAA wrestling titles, though he first attempted to play college football but got hurt and transferred to school without football, and later became a pro-bowler in NFL.  Wisconsin's own Tim Krumrie played both sports for the Badgers and also became a pro-bowler. If Ben and/or Dillan can play both sports in college, they will be in good company.


40 years ago Tim K and well over 30 for hasselrig. Times have changes alot and being a 2 sport college athlete like football and wrestling will be very tough. I am.sure it.can be done but in this day and age very rare.

The demands for.both sports have changed quite a bit and it would take alot to do both.

Its rare because you don't find many guys that are elite in both sports and want to compete in both, but Johnson might be one of those rare guys.  I don't know if its any tougher today.  Wrestlers are wrestling fewer matches these days and Johnson, if he were the starter, could wrestle an abbreviated season following football season and place high enough in the Big Tens to get to the NCAAs.

the problem with that is there is a competition season, and a training season which is the rest of the year. I agree some of the training would overlap and correlate and I hope someone could do it. I just cant think of recent success at doing that.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 24, 2023, 10:22:11 AM
Quote from: kmoc33 on March 24, 2023, 08:30:22 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 08:24:34 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 22, 2023, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 22, 2023, 10:24:11 AMOk.....I have to say that playing both is going to be difficult for anyone. Sure it is fun to think about but seriously I really dont think it happens.

Mason Paris said it was to difficult, what has changed?

I bet Ben K does wrestling his redshirt year and that is it. Also he maybe drafted in the first 10 rounds for baseball so both wrestling and football could be out of luck.

Difficult, hmmm.  Well, true, but its not like it hasn't been done before and who is saying Dillan can't do it if he is determined enough.  Curley Culp was an NCAA champion wrestler and also All-American football player, who later became a 6 time pro-bowler in NFL.  Carlton Haselrig, won numerous NCAA wrestling titles, though he first attempted to play college football but got hurt and transferred to school without football, and later became a pro-bowler in NFL.  Wisconsin's own Tim Krumrie played both sports for the Badgers and also became a pro-bowler. If Ben and/or Dillan can play both sports in college, they will be in good company.


40 years ago Tim K and well over 30 for hasselrig. Times have changes alot and being a 2 sport college athlete like football and wrestling will be very tough. I am.sure it.can be done but in this day and age very rare.

The demands for.both sports have changed quite a bit and it would take alot to do both.

Its rare because you don't find many guys that are elite in both sports and want to compete in both, but Johnson might be one of those rare guys.  I don't know if its any tougher today.  Wrestlers are wrestling fewer matches these days and Johnson, if he were the starter, could wrestle an abbreviated season following football season and place high enough in the Big Tens to get to the NCAAs.

the problem with that is there is a competition season, and a training season which is the rest of the year. I agree some of the training would overlap and correlate and I hope someone could do it. I just cant think of recent success at doing that.

I cannot think of anyone doing it lately either but coach Fickell did it himself for 2 years and it sounds like he regretted not sticking with it. If there is 1 football coach in the country who would really support it and try to make it work I think it is him. Probably still will not work out but the UW would be the place to give it a shot. I doubt most schools would truly have the support of the football coach to do this.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: DocWrestling on March 24, 2023, 01:26:12 PM
Some guys from the past are being brought up that have done both.  Couple of points

1) Neither the football coach or the wrestling coach are happy sharing a player
2) Heavyweight wrestling has changed a ton since the past when this occurred.  Heavyweight used to be football players brawling.  Heavyweight wrestlers today are wrestlers and athletes that need to know how to wrestle.  I just don't see a part time wrestler getting to be an AA.  Maybe a team with lower expectations can make it work
3) Having a part time wrestler sounds like a culture killer.  Other wrestlers will feel OK with slacking until second semester and who the heck is going to want to be the wrestler for the first semester
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: bigoil on March 24, 2023, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 24, 2023, 01:26:12 PMSome guys from the past are being brought up that have done both.  Couple of points

1) Neither the football coach or the wrestling coach are happy sharing a player
2) Heavyweight wrestling has changed a ton since the past when this occurred.  Heavyweight used to be football players brawling.  Heavyweight wrestlers today are wrestlers and athletes that need to know how to wrestle.  I just don't see a part time wrestler getting to be an AA.  Maybe a team with lower expectations can make it work
3) Having a part time wrestler sounds like a culture killer.  Other wrestlers will feel OK with slacking until second semester and who the heck is going to want to be the wrestler for the first semester
Imagine Braelon Allen out there at 240#, shooting HiC!.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on March 24, 2023, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 24, 2023, 01:26:12 PMSome guys from the past are being brought up that have done both.  Couple of points

1) Neither the football coach or the wrestling coach are happy sharing a player
2) Heavyweight wrestling has changed a ton since the past when this occurred.  Heavyweight used to be football players brawling.  Heavyweight wrestlers today are wrestlers and athletes that need to know how to wrestle.  I just don't see a part time wrestler getting to be an AA.  Maybe a team with lower expectations can make it work
3) Having a part time wrestler sounds like a culture killer.  Other wrestlers will feel OK with slacking until second semester and who the heck is going to want to be the wrestler for the first semester

Let me respond to some of your points:

1.  I think Bono would love Dillan Johnson, especially if he doesn't count towards the 9.9. Essentially a walk-on with AA upside.   Fickell is a big supporter of the wrestling program and so he may not mind at all.
2.  But in Dillan's case, he DOES know how to wrestle and is already wrestling at an elite level.  I think Flo has him ranked at the top in his weight class.
3.  I don't think its a cultural killer at all, if he does well, he'll be loved and respected for being able to do what very few are able to do.

Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 24, 2023, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 24, 2023, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 24, 2023, 01:26:12 PMSome guys from the past are being brought up that have done both.  Couple of points

1) Neither the football coach or the wrestling coach are happy sharing a player
2) Heavyweight wrestling has changed a ton since the past when this occurred.  Heavyweight used to be football players brawling.  Heavyweight wrestlers today are wrestlers and athletes that need to know how to wrestle.  I just don't see a part time wrestler getting to be an AA.  Maybe a team with lower expectations can make it work
3) Having a part time wrestler sounds like a culture killer.  Other wrestlers will feel OK with slacking until second semester and who the heck is going to want to be the wrestler for the first semester

Let me respond to some of your points:

1.  I think Bono would love Dillan Johnson, especially if he doesn't count towards the 9.9. Essentially a walk-on with AA upside.   Fickell is a big supporter of the wrestling program and so he may not mind at all.
2.  But in Dillan's case, he DOES know how to wrestle and is already wrestling at an elite level.  I think Flo has him ranked at the top in his weight class.
3.  I don't think its a cultural killer at all, if he does well, he'll be loved and respected for being able to do what very few are able to do.



+1
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on March 25, 2023, 11:52:20 AM
While it sounds great for athletes to do 2 sports in college, I believe it is pretty far fetched in todays environment.

The demands of 1 sport and school work is really a load for many. Just try to think of doing school and 2 sports. I look at the amount of kids that struggle just going to college with out being in any athletics.

Maybe Mr Johnson can do just that be in 2 sports and knock the grades out of the park. It would be great but until o can see it with my own eyes, I am on the not probably going to happen band wagon!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: DocWrestling on March 25, 2023, 04:30:48 PM
Badger Football did offer Johnson a scholarship today

Luke Fickell is a great wrestling promoter but I am sure he is like every other football coach that wants kids to wrestle until it interferes with football.  Fickell himself gave up wrestling for football and I would expect he would want others to do the same.

A football coach is going to tell a wrestler that he cannot go near a wrestling mat except maybe between January 3 through March 15th.  No open mats during season, during spring practice, and not during summer.  Just too much wear and tear on the body to physically be your best and train without injuries.  D1 sports is nothing like HS and every freshman learns that fast even if they thought they could do two sports.

There is an athlete (Freitag) that has been offered a scholarship from both Fickell and Gard as the player has not announced what sport he plans to do in college.  I could see a player playing football and then a role player on the basketball team before I could see a football/wrestler.  But in this case if he played football and basketball he would count as a scholarship player for both sports if he plays so not likely.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on March 25, 2023, 09:49:47 PM
Dillan Johnson tweeted that he can play both sports.  This is encouraging that he may give wrestling a try too.  Bono has to be overjoyed that he might get Dillan Johnson without touching his 9.9. 

Here is tweet: On a snowy day in Madison I got an offer to earn a degree play football and can wrestle!! Thank you
@WisFBRecruiting
 💪🏾🏅🏅🏅💪🏾
@HilltoppersFB
 
@JCAwrestling
 
@BadgerWrestling
 
@AllenTrieu
 
@Rivals_Clint
 
@nexgenscouting
 
@EDGYTIM
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: DocWrestling on March 26, 2023, 07:53:36 AM
I guess I am wrong and that tweet makes it sound like Fickell would let him wrestle.  Still think he is naive to how much work it will be
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: head57 on March 26, 2023, 08:46:35 AM
Through a connection, I've been told decision could come sooner than later, and he likes UW particularly for its proximity to home. Let's get him on campus and figure it out.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: TomM on March 26, 2023, 02:06:34 PM
2024 DT Dillan Johnson picks up Wisconsin offer during unofficial visit
https://wisconsin.rivals.com/news/2024-dt-dillan-johnson-picks-up-wisconsin-offer-during-unofficial-visit

https://twitter.com/DillanMJohnson1

https://www.trackwrestling.com/membership/ViewProfile.jsp?twId=541086009
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Numbers on March 26, 2023, 02:27:14 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 26, 2023, 07:53:36 AMI guess I am wrong and that tweet makes it sound like Fickell would let him wrestle.  Still think he is naive to how much work it will be
Even if he would just double as a Hwt wrestling partner it would be a win for the wrestling team.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Numbers on March 26, 2023, 03:08:48 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 22, 2023, 08:29:03 AMBig connection with Dean going to the same HS.
DJ being at Madison has to be a huge plus.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Vir Fortis on March 27, 2023, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 26, 2023, 07:53:36 AMI guess I am wrong and that tweet makes it sound like Fickell would let him wrestle.  Still think he is naive to how much work it will be

It still just seems like a stretch. I don't think it'd have an impact on the roster(him not wrestling until 2nd semester). But...again, you gonna have a guy who presumably has NFL goals cutting weight and going through the meet grinder that is the B1G Wrestling schedule? Instead of getting stronger, he's going to be trying to just maintain during Wrestling?

I hope it work...
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on March 27, 2023, 11:02:39 PM
If Johnson is listed at 285 as a junior I seriously doubt fickell will want Johnson cutting down to 285 in a few years to wrestle. Remember there is a weight limit at HWT.

I can see Johnson and other DL guys getting in the room and drilling to improve handtfoot speed. I believe Fickell is that type of coach to us wrestling to strengthen tackling and positions.

Just dont believe Johnson being a 2 sport athlete.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on March 27, 2023, 11:08:24 PM
I have something else to have people to think about about competing in 2 sports.

Both gavin Nelson and max mcenelly in Minnesota were finalist for Mr Minnesota football. Both played in minnesota as equal to wisconsins level 2 in football. Both had near 2k rushing and both were outstanding LB with Nelson being the player of the game for his teams state title.

Both were attending RTC practices for wrestling and playing football. Ask those 2 what it took to be practicing one sport and playing another at the high school level and taking basically college classes. This was high school not D1 college that have sucessfull big ten programs.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: DocWrestling on March 28, 2023, 09:24:56 AM
College football coaches do not love wrestlers.  They love former wrestlers  ;D
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: factfinder on March 28, 2023, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2023, 11:08:24 PMI have something else to have people to think about about competing in 2 sports.

Both gavin Nelson and max mcenelly in Minnesota were finalist for Mr Minnesota football. Both played in minnesota as equal to wisconsins level 2 in football. Both had near 2k rushing and both were outstanding LB with Nelson being the player of the game for his teams state title.

Both were attending RTC practices for wrestling and playing football. Ask those 2 what it took to be practicing one sport and playing another at the high school level and taking basically college classes. This was high school not D1 college that have sucessfull big ten programs.
It was barely manageable and in the playoffs they did take some time away from the Mat. Both took community college classes so they could make the college morning practices. if they attended high school classes it would have been impossible.
They will both be training for wrestling only for the first time in their lives I look forward to watching the growth.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM
285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Army Ant on March 29, 2023, 12:45:53 PM
I'm surprised that this conversation is going on. I don't see any reasonable chance that a scholarship power five football player spends any significant amount of time helpiing out the wrestling team, much less competing.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: bigoil on March 29, 2023, 12:57:13 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on March 29, 2023, 12:45:53 PMI'm surprised that this conversation is going on. I don't see any reasonable chance that a scholarship power five football player spends any significant amount of time helpiing out the wrestling team, much less competing.

Did you miss this?
Here is tweet: On a snowy day in Madison I got an offer to earn a degree play football and can wrestle!! Thank you
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Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Army Ant on March 29, 2023, 01:39:45 PM
Thanks for providing that. I apparently missed that I admit but who knows the context of whatever conversations he had with whoever supposedly told him that and even if they gave him permission, I still 99% don't see it happening. D1 football is a big-time year-round commmitment and he would definitely be compromising his football development by spending any significant amount of time wrestling.

He'll either commit to wrestling or football; not both. At least after the first year. Outside chance I guess that he could try out both just for the first year.

I'd say the same thing about Keuter (IA). Give him one year max of doing both wrestling & football.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on March 29, 2023, 02:24:33 PM
He certainly seems interested in trying to pursue both sports and considering he is the top ranked 285 in high school as a junior this is a very relevant topic.  Plus, if he drops a sport, it might even be football not wrestling. Based on his social media, he seems pretty into wrestling and might even find more success in that sport given he is #1 in his high school weight class vs. being a 3 star football recruit.  Either way, he seems like a class act and Wisconsin would be lucky to get him whether as a two sport athlete or a one sport athlete.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Army Ant on March 29, 2023, 03:45:12 PM
I agree Badger, including that he may try to do both at first and then decide that wrestling is better.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 04:25:37 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 29, 2023, 02:24:33 PMHe certainly seems interested in trying to pursue both sports and considering he is the top ranked 285 in high school as a junior this is a very relevant topic.  Plus, if he drops a sport, it might even be football not wrestling. Based on his social media, he seems pretty into wrestling and might even find more success in that sport given he is #1 in his high school weight class vs. being a 3 star football recruit.  Either way, he seems like a class act and Wisconsin would be lucky to get him whether as a two sport athlete or a one sport athlete.


He'd have to be a whole lot better at Wrestling to give up on Football with his size and athletic ability. A mid round pick and a rotational DT is going to make millions of dollars in the NFL.

Beau Allen for the Badgers(not exactly JJ Watt) earned nearly 20M by being a backup DL and a 7th round pick. If you're going to be starting for the Badgers...

Just saying, if there's any decisions to be made, I imagine that'd skew it toward football...in both his case, Keuter's case or anyone who's a highly rated Football recruit.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: bigoil on March 29, 2023, 06:49:30 PM
Someone wrestling 285 does necessarily weigh 285. Not many lineman weighing 300# are running around at 7-10% body fat either.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Vir Fortis on March 30, 2023, 10:08:54 PM
Quote from: bigoil on March 29, 2023, 06:49:30 PMSomeone wrestling 285 does necessarily weigh 285. Not many lineman weighing 300# are running around at 7-10% body fat either.


Of course they don't necessarily weigh 285. But they do have to weight at MOST 285 and therein lies the problem.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: bigoil on March 31, 2023, 07:25:36 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 30, 2023, 10:08:54 PM
Quote from: bigoil on March 29, 2023, 06:49:30 PMSomeone wrestling 285 does necessarily weigh 285. Not many lineman weighing 300# are running around at 7-10% body fat either.


Of course they don't necessarily weigh 285. But they do have to weight at MOST 285 and therein lies the problem.
My point is he could easily be playing at 305. Heck I'd bet most of the guys struggle to maintain that opening day of camp weight in FB.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: head57 on April 02, 2023, 03:31:44 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati

You're wrong. 330 might work at NT I' in an odd front. You don't want 330 across the line. Literally nobody does that. 285 is plenty big in the B1G, SEC or otherwise.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Vir Fortis on April 02, 2023, 05:21:47 AM
Quote from: head57 on April 02, 2023, 03:31:44 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati

You're wrong. 330 might work at NT I' in an odd front. You don't want 330 across the line. Literally nobody does that. 285 is plenty big in the B1G, SEC or otherwise.

Literally JUST posted an article from before Cincy's game vs Alabama in which their best DL was 285...talking about how they didn't have the size up front to match up with 'Bama...and they specifically mentioned HIS size disadvantage(Curtis Brooks).

I'm really not. Again, you want big, space eating DL to keep your LBers clean. Very few teams play 3-3-5 as a base defense, but those who do want large, 2 gap DL. Obviously you're not going to have 3 Jordan Davis/Siaki Ika type players, but the point is, you want bigger DL to keep your backers free...ESPECIALLY in Tressel's defense which often brings up a Safety (or even a CB as Tressel was just talking about) to play in that 3-3 stack.


And it's not that "nobody does that," it's that very few teams do that because very few teams play a 3-3-5, 30 stack, whatever you want to call it. And few of them have been real successful playing physical defense because, again, big guys like that don't grow on trees. WVU, AZ, TCU(who made it to the CFP...and gave up 110 points because they couldn't control the LOS and Michigan was down their best offensive player, their RB)...I don't know who else off the top of my head. Nebraska is going to one as well...I believe.


We'll see though. Maybe the Bagdgers will be alright with one of their DL building up and then cutting down to 285. Normally they're trying to put ~20 pounds on an incoming DL, and it doesn't have to all be functional strength in this scheme as the whole point is, again, to hold your ground and occupy blockers...and let your athletes on the 2nd and 3rd level come in and clean up.


To use recent Badgers, someone like Sagapolu(~345) playing a 0 tech, Benton(320) playing that 4I or 3 Tech would have been perfect. So fine, lets say 315-345. That's absolutely what you want in this scheme...and when you don't have it, you have to compensate in other ways. For Cincy, that a LOT of man coverage, big LBers like Beavers and then coming up and playing some even fronts with Sanders.


285 is...so clearly not "plenty big," in the B1G, SEC "or otherwise." How many interior DL does UGA, or 'Bama have that go 285? They're quicker, pass rush specialist have been ~310. They also play a very different scheme, but that's besides the point.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: DocWrestling on April 02, 2023, 09:17:55 AM
They are going to want him in that 300-315 range ideally for the football season.  That football season ends at New Years hopefully.   Then it could possibly take some time to cut to 285 for the end of wrestling season.  There are less rules on cutting in college so that makes it easier if he wants.  Then plenty of time to get back up by fall camp in August.

Weight wise I think it can be done.  Work needed along with physical toll on body and mental sacrifice it would take makes unlikely.

He is a future 45yo that can tell everyone he could have done both in college or he tried it for one year.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Vir Fortis on April 02, 2023, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on April 02, 2023, 09:17:55 AMThey are going to want him in that 300-315 range ideally for the football season.  That football season ends at New Years hopefully.   Then it could possibly take some time to cut to 285 for the end of wrestling season.  There are less rules on cutting in college so that makes it easier if he wants.  Then plenty of time to get back up by fall camp in August.

Weight wise I think it can be done.  Work needed along with physical toll on body and mental sacrifice it would take makes unlikely.

He is a future 45yo that can tell everyone he could have done both in college or he tried it for one year.

It'd definitely be cool. And I think he could swing it. I hope he does.

I'll be just as interested to see what Ben Kueter does. He's an OLBer, so the weight isn't a concern. He's also a better Wrestler(not slight against Johnson, Keuter's just in that Hopke class).
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: mkm13 on April 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PM
Davino just committed to OSU. He was one of the few high level recruits (top 10 overall) i thought we had a good chance at.

If we cant get guys like that, we are not going to compete with the top teams.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: head57 on April 03, 2023, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on April 02, 2023, 05:21:47 AM
Quote from: head57 on April 02, 2023, 03:31:44 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati

You're wrong. 330 might work at NT I' in an odd front. You don't want 330 across the line. Literally nobody does that. 285 is plenty big in the B1G, SEC or otherwise.

Literally JUST posted an article from before Cincy's game vs Alabama in which their best DL was 285...talking about how they didn't have the size up front to match up with 'Bama...and they specifically mentioned HIS size disadvantage(Curtis Brooks).

I'm really not. Again, you want big, space eating DL to keep your LBers clean. Very few teams play 3-3-5 as a base defense, but those who do want large, 2 gap DL. Obviously you're not going to have 3 Jordan Davis/Siaki Ika type players, but the point is, you want bigger DL to keep your backers free...ESPECIALLY in Tressel's defense which often brings up a Safety (or even a CB as Tressel was just talking about) to play in that 3-3 stack.


And it's not that "nobody does that," it's that very few teams do that because very few teams play a 3-3-5, 30 stack, whatever you want to call it. And few of them have been real successful playing physical defense because, again, big guys like that don't grow on trees. WVU, AZ, TCU(who made it to the CFP...and gave up 110 points because they couldn't control the LOS and Michigan was down their best offensive player, their RB)...I don't know who else off the top of my head. Nebraska is going to one as well...I believe.


We'll see though. Maybe the Bagdgers will be alright with one of their DL building up and then cutting down to 285. Normally they're trying to put ~20 pounds on an incoming DL, and it doesn't have to all be functional strength in this scheme as the whole point is, again, to hold your ground and occupy blockers...and let your athletes on the 2nd and 3rd level come in and clean up.


To use recent Badgers, someone like Sagapolu(~345) playing a 0 tech, Benton(320) playing that 4I or 3 Tech would have been perfect. So fine, lets say 315-345. That's absolutely what you want in this scheme...and when you don't have it, you have to compensate in other ways. For Cincy, that a LOT of man coverage, big LBers like Beavers and then coming up and playing some even fronts with Sanders.


285 is...so clearly not "plenty big," in the B1G, SEC "or otherwise." How many interior DL does UGA, or 'Bama have that go 285? They're quicker, pass rush specialist have been ~310. They also play a very different scheme, but that's besides the point.

I wasn't talking about Cincinnati vs Bama. Go check how many 330 lb guys UGA had on its DL last year.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on April 04, 2023, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: mkm13 on April 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PMDavino just committed to OSU. He was one of the few high level recruits (top 10 overall) i thought we had a good chance at.

If we cant get guys like that, we are not going to compete with the top teams.

I agree.  Bono's best season was unfortunately ended early by Covid.  Since then UW is a middle of the pack Big Ten team and with the failure to land any top ten wrestlers since Hamiti, the Badgers may be edging more to the bottom of the Big Ten than the top of the Big Ten after next season when Barnett and Gomez will have graduated.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Healthy and happy on April 04, 2023, 11:53:10 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 04, 2023, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: mkm13 on April 03, 2023, 07:32:24 PMDavino just committed to OSU. He was one of the few high level recruits (top 10 overall) i thought we had a good chance at.

If we cant get guys like that, we are not going to compete with the top teams.

I agree.  Bono's best season was unfortunately ended early by Covid.  Since then UW is a middle of the pack Big Ten team and with the failure to land any top ten wrestlers since Hamiti, the Badgers may be edging more to the bottom of the Big Ten than the top of the Big Ten after next season when Barnett and Gomez will have graduated.



Can't you see that middle of the pack in the Big Ten standings has some correlation to the RTCs and the money they have?  Do you really think it is a coincidence that:
Penn State
Iowa
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska

which all have well established RTCs and money to give to the blue chip recruits are at the top of the standings nationally?  UW is definitely a middling program when it comes to outside money to attract the blue chippers
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Vir Fortis on April 04, 2023, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: head57 on April 03, 2023, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on April 02, 2023, 05:21:47 AM
Quote from: head57 on April 02, 2023, 03:31:44 AM
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 29, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: head57 on March 28, 2023, 09:34:53 PM285 is plenty big for a DL at UW. Especially with the new 3-3-5 defense. Biggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.

Yeah, and they lost that game because they got ran all over once they faced the big boys...despite having arguably the best secondary in CFB. If you're going to run a 3-3-5, you WANT big 330LB DL ideally. You want big space eaters, not guys who penetrate. That's not always possible, but it's certainly preferable. That was one of the issues with that team, their lack of size up front. They just got blown off the line...particularly vs the freak Evan Neal who went about 6'7 360.

And if you want to play in the NFL, 285 is VERY rarely big enough. There are going to be questions about your size. There are very-very few Aaron Donald types out there(and they all seem to come from Pitt). I'd guess both the Badgers and potential NFL teams will want him closer to ~310 or so.

I'm rooting for it, but it just doesn't seem like it makes sense.


About Cincy's shortcomings heading into the Alabama game.
https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/one-simple-stat-demonstrates-difference-alabama-cincinnati

You're wrong. 330 might work at NT I' in an odd front. You don't want 330 across the line. Literally nobody does that. 285 is plenty big in the B1G, SEC or otherwise.

Literally JUST posted an article from before Cincy's game vs Alabama in which their best DL was 285...talking about how they didn't have the size up front to match up with 'Bama...and they specifically mentioned HIS size disadvantage(Curtis Brooks).

I'm really not. Again, you want big, space eating DL to keep your LBers clean. Very few teams play 3-3-5 as a base defense, but those who do want large, 2 gap DL. Obviously you're not going to have 3 Jordan Davis/Siaki Ika type players, but the point is, you want bigger DL to keep your backers free...ESPECIALLY in Tressel's defense which often brings up a Safety (or even a CB as Tressel was just talking about) to play in that 3-3 stack.


And it's not that "nobody does that," it's that very few teams do that because very few teams play a 3-3-5, 30 stack, whatever you want to call it. And few of them have been real successful playing physical defense because, again, big guys like that don't grow on trees. WVU, AZ, TCU(who made it to the CFP...and gave up 110 points because they couldn't control the LOS and Michigan was down their best offensive player, their RB)...I don't know who else off the top of my head. Nebraska is going to one as well...I believe.


We'll see though. Maybe the Bagdgers will be alright with one of their DL building up and then cutting down to 285. Normally they're trying to put ~20 pounds on an incoming DL, and it doesn't have to all be functional strength in this scheme as the whole point is, again, to hold your ground and occupy blockers...and let your athletes on the 2nd and 3rd level come in and clean up.


To use recent Badgers, someone like Sagapolu(~345) playing a 0 tech, Benton(320) playing that 4I or 3 Tech would have been perfect. So fine, lets say 315-345. That's absolutely what you want in this scheme...and when you don't have it, you have to compensate in other ways. For Cincy, that a LOT of man coverage, big LBers like Beavers and then coming up and playing some even fronts with Sanders.


285 is...so clearly not "plenty big," in the B1G, SEC "or otherwise." How many interior DL does UGA, or 'Bama have that go 285? They're quicker, pass rush specialist have been ~310. They also play a very different scheme, but that's besides the point.

I wasn't talking about Cincinnati vs Bama. Go check how many 330 lb guys UGA had on its DL last year.

Ok, well, you brought up Cincinnati vs Bama;

QuoteBiggest DL on Cincinnati's 2021 playoff team was 285.


Bama doesn't play a 3-3 stack, they play an aggressive scheme where they ask their defensive linemen to penetrate. It's specifically designed to beat the spread by using their front 4 to get pressure.

They also constantly rotate DL in and out with insane depth. They do have plenty of guys

Which is the point I'm trying to make. There are few teams that play this 30 stack, it's NOT at all the same as playing a 4-3 defense(or having the benefit of 7-8 or more elite DL who rotate in and out).


You're arguing 285 is "plenty big" for SEC or B1G teams is kinda silly. That's a pretty big weakness in the SEC...OR the B1G.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on April 17, 2023, 01:18:41 AM
Dillan is certainly visiting a lot of colleges-it appears that he has visited over ten colleges, and he has taken multiple visits to several of them.  He has 17 offers.  Some of the more noteworthy visits are Michigan (including with Sean Bormet), Notre Dame, Iowa State, Cal and Kansas State.  I can't recall a recruit visiting so many schools before, but its great that he does his due diligence and hopefully the Badgers get him as Rivals is predicting.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on April 17, 2023, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 17, 2023, 01:18:41 AMDillan is certainly visiting a lot of colleges-it appears that he has visited over ten colleges, and he has taken multiple visits to several of them.  He has 17 offers.  Some of the more noteworthy visits are Michigan (including with Sean Bormet), Notre Dame, Iowa State, Cal and Kansas State.  I can't recall a recruit visiting so many schools before, but its great that he does his due diligence and hopefully the Badgers get him as Rivals is predicting.

I thought I saw that he had an offer from Ohio St as well but I could be mistaken. Sounds like the young man can pretty much pick his destination. Hopefully he chooses Madison.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Army Ant on May 16, 2023, 12:31:33 PM
Looks like Northwestern.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Ledger on May 16, 2023, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on May 16, 2023, 12:31:33 PMLooks like Northwestern.
Looks like both football and wrestling.  If you've seen their facilities you can't blame him.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: leg turk on May 16, 2023, 08:42:45 PM
This is getting depressing.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Chedd on May 17, 2023, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Ledger on May 16, 2023, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on May 16, 2023, 12:31:33 PMLooks like Northwestern.
Looks like both football and wrestling.  If you've seen their facilities you can't blame him.

The half empty football stadium on game day or the hundreds of fans that pack their duals?
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: wrestle03 on May 17, 2023, 10:36:47 AM
Chedd, your either a bit slow or just plain dumb.  Have you seen the Northwestern facilities?  Have you seen their wrestling room and their weight room?  The Badgers have the WORST wrestling training facility in the entire Big Ten.

Do you have a man-crush on Bono?  Did you really think an elite recruit would want to sign for Bono and the Badgers?
If so - that is comical.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Chedd on May 17, 2023, 11:52:23 AM
Don't read too much into what I wrote. I know they have great facilities but it hasn't meant much to most recruits, which was all I was getting at. They have a definite lack of interest in their programs, which I would think would sway most recruits.

My comment had nothing to do with Bono. If anything, I'm saying the opposite. I don't think the Badgers should ever lose a recruiting battle to Northwestern. Especially with connections on the team. I have heard NW offers their top recruits full rides pretty frequently though, so I'm sure that helps. Thanks for the insults hurled this way though.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Ghetto on May 18, 2023, 02:19:46 PM
If Dillan Johnson wants to be a day 1 pick in the NFL, Northwestern ain't it.

Wisconsin is the better answer, all day, if both coaches are allowing him to do both. He may not have the partners in the wrestling room, but the football facilities at Wisconsin, which he would have access to, are just plain better.

Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: wrestle03 on May 18, 2023, 02:26:57 PM
Dillan Johnson has never  played a down of Division 1 football and your talking about being a day 1 pick?  Are you serious?
He's a 3 star defensive lineman........may have been a man among boys on the high school field but those days are over.  If he was a 4 or 5 star recruit he wouldnt be going to Northwestern and he wouldnt be going to Wisconsin either - those types of recruits go  to Ohio State, Michigan or off to the best conference in college footbal the SEC.

It's very highly unlikely Wisconsin would have allowed him to wrestle and play football. 
My personal opinion is he tries to do it and realizes its too much and concentrates on football.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: harley25 on May 18, 2023, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 18, 2023, 02:26:57 PMDillan Johnson has never  played a down of Division 1 football and your talking about being a day 1 pick?  Are you serious?
He's a 3 star defensive lineman........may have been a man among boys on the high school field but those days are over.  If he was a 4 or 5 star recruit he wouldnt be going to Northwestern and he wouldnt be going to Wisconsin either - those types of recruits go  to Ohio State, Michigan or off to the best conference in college footbal the SEC.

It's very highly unlikely Wisconsin would have allowed him to wrestle and play football. 
My personal opinion is he tries to do it and realizes its too much and concentrates on football.

I would agree, cannot imagine the beating the Body will take!!!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Ghetto on May 18, 2023, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 18, 2023, 02:26:57 PMDillan Johnson has never  played a down of Division 1 football and your talking about being a day 1 pick?  Are you serious?
He's a 3 star defensive lineman........may have been a man among boys on the high school field but those days are over.  If he was a 4 or 5 star recruit he wouldnt be going to Northwestern and he wouldnt be going to Wisconsin either - those types of recruits go  to Ohio State, Michigan or off to the best conference in college footbal the SEC.

It's very highly unlikely Wisconsin would have allowed him to wrestle and play football. 
My personal opinion is he tries to do it and realizes its too much and concentrates on football.

Absolutely am. You think high level football players don't have goals to make it to the next level? That's purely a wrestling thing?

The 4 star guys are starting to walk in the door at Wisconsin. If they start producing, that's going to increase.

My point was you don't go to Northwestern to play high level football. Wisconsin football and Northwestern football are on different trajectories.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 18, 2023, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Ghetto on May 18, 2023, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 18, 2023, 02:26:57 PMDillan Johnson has never  played a down of Division 1 football and your talking about being a day 1 pick?  Are you serious?
He's a 3 star defensive lineman........may have been a man among boys on the high school field but those days are over.  If he was a 4 or 5 star recruit he wouldnt be going to Northwestern and he wouldnt be going to Wisconsin either - those types of recruits go  to Ohio State, Michigan or off to the best conference in college footbal the SEC.

It's very highly unlikely Wisconsin would have allowed him to wrestle and play football. 
My personal opinion is he tries to do it and realizes its too much and concentrates on football.

Absolutely am. You think high level football players don't have goals to make it to the next level? That's purely a wrestling thing?

The 4 star guys are starting to walk in the door at Wisconsin. If they start producing, that's going to increase.

My point was you don't go to Northwestern to play high level football. Wisconsin football and Northwestern football are on different trajectories.

Keeanu Benton was a 3 Star recruit for the Badgers. He got drafted with the 49th overall pick by the Steelers this year.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Chedd on May 19, 2023, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 18, 2023, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Ghetto on May 18, 2023, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 18, 2023, 02:26:57 PMDillan Johnson has never  played a down of Division 1 football and your talking about being a day 1 pick?  Are you serious?
He's a 3 star defensive lineman........may have been a man among boys on the high school field but those days are over.  If he was a 4 or 5 star recruit he wouldnt be going to Northwestern and he wouldnt be going to Wisconsin either - those types of recruits go  to Ohio State, Michigan or off to the best conference in college footbal the SEC.

It's very highly unlikely Wisconsin would have allowed him to wrestle and play football. 
My personal opinion is he tries to do it and realizes its too much and concentrates on football.

Absolutely am. You think high level football players don't have goals to make it to the next level? That's purely a wrestling thing?

The 4 star guys are starting to walk in the door at Wisconsin. If they start producing, that's going to increase.

My point was you don't go to Northwestern to play high level football. Wisconsin football and Northwestern football are on different trajectories.

Keeanu Benton was a 3 Star recruit for the Badgers. He got drafted with the 49th overall pick by the Steelers this year.

HS juniors that are decent football players and are getting recruited by no d1 schools still think they are going to make the NFL. So you know that this kid, getting a ton of interest and offers from high major d1 programs, is going to have those aspirations.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: wrestle03 on May 19, 2023, 10:18:00 AM
He can have all the aspirations he wants of becoming an NFL player - but that dont mean he will accomplish that.  The kid hasnt even played a down of Division 1 football.  He could be the next JJ Watt or he could ride the pine is entire career.  Or he could blow his knee out first day of practice and be done with football forever.  Only 1.6% of college fooball players make it to the NFL.  At the end of the day I hope he's successful at Northwestern.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Ghetto on May 19, 2023, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 19, 2023, 10:18:00 AMHe can have all the aspirations he wants of becoming an NFL player - but that dont mean he will accomplish that.  The kid hasnt even played a down of Division 1 football.  He could be the next JJ Watt or he could ride the pine is entire career.  Or he could blow his knee out first day of practice and be done with football forever.  Only 1.6% of college fooball players make it to the NFL.  At the end of the day I hope he's successful at Northwestern.

All those things are true, and I also hope he is successful at Northwestern.

If you have aspirations of making it to the NFL, I'd say he'd be better off going to Wisconsin than Northwestern. Better facilities, more national exposure, etc. give him a better chance.

That said, maybe he just loves both and wants to compete in both. You'd think the Wisconsin head coach would have the best insight on that, since he tried to do both and couldn't. Maybe Johnson didn't want to hear that, and Northwestern had no issue with it.

There's a million reasons why kids do what they do. Hopefully it works out the way he wants it to.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: marshman on May 19, 2023, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 19, 2023, 10:18:00 AMHe can have all the aspirations he wants of becoming an NFL player - but that dont mean he will accomplish that.  The kid hasnt even played a down of Division 1 football.  He could be the next JJ Watt or he could ride the pine is entire career.  Or he could blow his knee out first day of practice and be done with football forever.  Only 1.6% of college fooball players make it to the NFL.  At the end of the day I hope he's successful at Northwestern.
JJ Watt two star recruit ;D
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Numbers on May 19, 2023, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: marshman on May 19, 2023, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 19, 2023, 10:18:00 AMHe can have all the aspirations he wants of becoming an NFL player - but that dont mean he will accomplish that.  The kid hasnt even played a down of Division 1 football.  He could be the next JJ Watt or he could ride the pine is entire career.  Or he could blow his knee out first day of practice and be done with football forever.  Only 1.6% of college fooball players make it to the NFL.  At the end of the day I hope he's successful at Northwestern.
JJ Watt two star recruit ;D

And did not start at Wisconsin. 

Maybe after a year or two of NW he will take the Badger portal.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: head57 on July 12, 2023, 12:16:37 PM
BOOM! Not sure how this works out with both sports, but this is good news for now.

https://twitter.com/dillanmjohnson1/status/1679173296238084098?s=46&t=xYXr8128pwP2hYSLKUImaw
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: crossface21 on July 12, 2023, 12:28:04 PM
He's a beast. 3x IL state champ, #2 HWT in the country, 6'2, 284 lbs, squats 700lb. Ummm, yes please.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Ghetto on July 12, 2023, 01:12:57 PM
Take that haters!!!!

Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on July 12, 2023, 02:50:16 PM
Best recruit since Hamiti!  Also, don't know if Wisconsin even has to pay any scholly money if he is playing football too.  Big win!  He was committed to Northwestern, but something must have happened to change his mind.  Great kid and comes from Dean's school.  If he sticks with wrestling he should be an AA contender if not a championship contender.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on July 12, 2023, 02:55:09 PM
Just read Northwestern's football coach was fired amid a hazing scandal.  So glad Wisconsin was the next choice.  Dillan is a beast!!!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: BadgerOne on July 12, 2023, 02:58:30 PM
As an added bonus, when Dillan is starting in Madison, we might see quite a few of his football teammates show up to watch him, and of course, Coach Fickell.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on July 12, 2023, 03:30:28 PM
Flo Article:

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/11122214-top-10-prospect-dillan-johnson-flips-from-northwestern-to-wisconsin?utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=card.&utm_content=article&utm_campaign=breakingnews&fbclid=IwAR15-F2945vZAld7gCMjJbEdw4GqtX0PO_wT7q7vgdpv2VkbbYO24irLv4E
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Army Ant on July 12, 2023, 06:12:19 PM
He'll end up playing football or wrestling; not both. Maybe he'll do both for the 1st year but probably not beyond that. I think he will probably stick w football.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: DocWrestling on July 13, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
So he will hit the mat after the bowl game and thus start wrestling 2nd semester.  Will be interesting if he can get up to speed fast enough by March with fewer matches.  Maybe they will let him wrestle earlier in December while he is redshirting for football.

In the end he will have to pick a sport as there is no way to try and do both and academics and build in some run and rest.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on July 13, 2023, 11:38:10 AM
Either way if he plays football, wrestles or somehow finds a way to do both it is a huge get and win for the UW. Fantastic athlete, great student and really neat young man. Great to keep that IL/Joliet Catholic pipeline going as well. There are always some studs down there and would be great to keep that going.

Even if he is just in the room and never even makes an impact on the mat that is a good thing for both programs. Knowing what coach Fickell is all about should encourage more of these 2 sport guys to come to the UW. Most will likely choose football but some will choose wrestling.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: imnofish on July 13, 2023, 09:55:39 PM
https://badgernotes.com/wisconsin-football-flips-dominant-dual-sport-athlete-from-b1g-rival/?fbclid=IwAR2iqdkWxEZlsjcmgInifvIcOJHurk0QK_HFMa2Oyk2krPrKlasPz5XO5XM
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: bigoil on January 06, 2024, 05:46:49 PM
Wow, Dillan with two monster wins!
9-5 over Mirasola 4 takedowns! Mirasola 5 escapes.
4-1 over Hopke, takedown for Johnson. Rode Hopke for nearly final 3 minutes. 
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: walden_hiker on January 06, 2024, 06:40:26 PM
Quote from: bigoil on January 06, 2024, 05:46:49 PMWow, Dillan with two monster wins!
9-5 over Mirasola 4 takedowns! Mirasola 5 escapes.
4-1 over Hopke, takedown for Johnson. Rode Hopke for nearly final 3 minutes. 
Amazing performance!! Let's go Dillan!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Harris on January 06, 2024, 07:41:58 PM
New number 1 recruit in the country at HWT, 2 Midlands champs, and a 2nd place finish.  Let's give the coaching staff some love!  Johnson just beat the Penn State and Gopher top 2 recruits in one day. 
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on January 06, 2024, 07:52:57 PM
Wow that is a crazy tough bracket and a heck of a tournament for Dillan!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: No One Cares on January 06, 2024, 08:34:56 PM
Quote from: bigoil on January 06, 2024, 05:46:49 PMWow, Dillan with two monster wins!
9-5 over Mirasola 4 takedowns! Mirasola 5 escapes.
4-1 over Hopke, takedown for Johnson. Rode Hopke for nearly final 3 minutes. 

Ref's fault again that Hopke lost?
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: bigoil on January 07, 2024, 06:13:29 AM
Quote from: No One Cares on January 06, 2024, 08:34:56 PM
Quote from: bigoil on January 06, 2024, 05:46:49 PMWow, Dillan with two monster wins!
9-5 over Mirasola 4 takedowns! Mirasola 5 escapes.
4-1 over Hopke, takedown for Johnson. Rode Hopke for nearly final 3 minutes. 

Ref's fault again that Hopke lost?
Hopke's only point was a stall call against Johnson, I didn't watch the other match but does seem size is the common denominator in those two losses.

I was impressed with 4 TD against Mirasola.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: PAUL on January 07, 2024, 10:05:29 AM
As an outsider, I'd say it's pretty obvious that all 3 are very special athletes.  I hope that they all reach their potential (and their goals - whatever those may be) at the next level - on the field, on the mat and in the classroom.  As a Badgers fan, I would like to see Johnson become a star wrestler and a start FB player at UW.  However, I would caution against over-optimism for any of these guys.  Just being a college student can be an adjustment in many ways, throw in the extra pressure of competing in a sport (or two) and (I hate to even mention) the possibility of injuries, the weight of expectations, the greatness of competition, etc.  There are just so many challenges.  Let's hope that we are following these guys and debating their talents for a long, long time!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on January 07, 2024, 01:27:43 PM
Nash Hutmacker is the South dakota kid that made his debut last night for Nebraska wrestling team. He is a 4th year kid on the football team also.

After the end of the season he reported dropped 30 plus pounds to make the 28t limit. Nash is also a very good student from what I have been told.

With all of that said, nebraska football season ended around Thanksgiving and allowed over a month of training and weight loss to get on the mat about 6 weeks latter. The Badger program in football goal is to be playing January 1st at the minimum so to have a n around like Mr Hutmacker or in this case Dillion Johnson it would be mid February before Dillian is on the mat for the Bagers.

Remember that is if Mr Johnson isn't injuried or just wants a little down time with family.

Ben Keuter at Iowa isn't in the room and everyone was saying he was going to be a 2 sporter in college.

I hope Dillion Johnson is going to wrestle with the Badgers next year, I think it would be awesome! I am just a tick tempered because at least in my eyes that is alot of pressure for a teenager to toss on their shoulders in their first year of college. Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Junkyardpig on January 07, 2024, 10:05:48 PM
Kueter is in the room, day after the bowl game he started wrestling....... might see him friday night on your tv.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on January 08, 2024, 09:16:50 AM
Quote from: Junkyardpig on January 07, 2024, 10:05:48 PMKueter is in the room, day after the bowl game he started wrestling....... might see him friday night on your tv.

That would be incredible! Tough task but incredible to say the least!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: charteroak1 on January 08, 2024, 10:51:13 AM
Johnson is a Freak!  He is so quick.  Great athlete and can't wait to see him on the mat next Jan.

That would be great to see Kueter vs. Hutmacker Friday.  It would be interesting how he's fairing against Hill in the room.  Having Cassioppi and Telford as partners I'm sure helps.  If I remember correctly Bono was going after both Nash and Haden Copass.  We did get Haden for a year before him jumping ship.

How quickly will Koy and Mirasola close the gap as they will strictly be wrestling, not to mention being in rooms with better competition. 
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on January 08, 2024, 11:22:49 AM
Didn't mirasola beat Johnson this fall?

Size is the factor hear. I not sure if psu plan is to have the twins wrestle 184 and 197 or not. Hopke is a true hwt and I am sure the gophers will put on the needed 20 plus pounds on hopke to close the gap.

No matter what you say giving up 50 plus pounds to a elite level athlete is something to behold.

Giving up 50 pounds at hwt would be like asking a college 125pounder to move up to 149 and compete or 141 at minimum.

I hope Johnson makes the jump next year, it will be alot of fun for sure!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on January 08, 2024, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on January 08, 2024, 11:22:49 AMDidn't mirasola beat Johnson this fall?


Yes he did. Beat him 5-4 at the Donnybrook back in the beginning of December. The Donnybrook match was a reversal and takedown for Mirasola and a TD for Johnson. The Cheesehead match was 4 TD to 0 for Johnson. I have not watched either match yet but seems like some pretty significant adjustments were made.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: head57 on January 08, 2024, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: bigoil on January 07, 2024, 06:13:29 AM
Quote from: No One Cares on January 06, 2024, 08:34:56 PM
Quote from: bigoil on January 06, 2024, 05:46:49 PMWow, Dillan with two monster wins!
9-5 over Mirasola 4 takedowns! Mirasola 5 escapes.
4-1 over Hopke, takedown for Johnson. Rode Hopke for nearly final 3 minutes. 

Ref's fault again that Hopke lost?
Hopke's only point was a stall call against Johnson, I didn't watch the other match but does seem size is the common denominator in those two losses.

I was impressed with 4 TD against Mirasola.
Quote from: bigoil on January 07, 2024, 06:13:29 AM
Quote from: No One Cares on January 06, 2024, 08:34:56 PM
Quote from: bigoil on January 06, 2024, 05:46:49 PMWow, Dillan with two monster wins!
9-5 over Mirasola 4 takedowns! Mirasola 5 escapes.
4-1 over Hopke, takedown for Johnson. Rode Hopke for nearly final 3 minutes. 

Ref's fault again that Hopke lost?
Hopke's only point was a stall call against Johnson, I didn't watch the other match but does seem size is the common denominator in those two losses.

I was impressed with 4 TD against Mirasola.

I read somewhere that Mirasola weight in at 203, Hopke 232, and Johnson 260. Mirasola is giving up a bunch. Less so for Hopke.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on January 08, 2024, 04:32:09 PM
All depends on the wrestlers. Kyle Snyder gave up a lot of weight when he won his 3 straight NCAA championship and just used the lack of flexibility of the bigger wrestlers against them by working below the knee and not getting stuck under them.

Yonger Bastida just beat Cohlton Schultz and beat Lucas Davison earlier in the year and he is giving up a fair bit of weight.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Army Ant on January 08, 2024, 07:08:54 PM
Re: Johnson, remember that he was coming off of football season back in early December, while Mirasola was probably wrestling all fall at AWA . Big difference, just like the weight is.

He may wrestle one or two years (1st and/or last) but no way he plays 2 sports for 4 years. Much more likely he chooses one to become the best he can be in (more likely football).Why would he want to just be "good" in 2 sports? D1 greatness almost always requires a year round commitment in the modern era. 
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on January 08, 2024, 08:40:20 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on January 08, 2024, 07:08:54 PMRe: Johnson, remember that he was coming off of football season back in early December, while Mirasola was probably wrestling all fall at AWA . Big difference, just like the weight is.

He may wrestle one or two years (1st and/or last) but no way he plays 2 sports for 4 years. Much more likely he chooses one to become the best he can be in (more likely football).Why would he want to just be "good" in 2 sports? D1 greatness almost always requires a year round commitment in the modern era. 

Good post.

I hope Johnson comes in and does both and with Fickle at the helm i bet Johnson gets those choices and support also. 1st and last year I can totally see that.

I pray that Johnson stays injury free and is able to pursuit everything he wants for both programs and also the school!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on January 08, 2024, 08:43:07 PM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on January 08, 2024, 04:32:09 PMAll depends on the wrestlers. Kyle Snyder gave up a lot of weight when he won his 3 straight NCAA championship and just used the lack of flexibility of the bigger wrestlers against them by working below the knee and not getting stuck under them.

Yonger Bastida just beat Cohlton Schultz and beat Lucas Davison earlier in the year and he is giving up a fair bit of weight.

Synder was on the light side of 230 and did a great job at handling the HWT in college. I also think the Iowa State kid I bigger than one would guess coming up from 197.

Yes you are correct it depends on the wrestler and how they handle the weight and wrestling. All great Wrestlers the 3 HWT at the cheese! Fun that they gave us a show for sure!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: harley25 on January 09, 2024, 08:30:35 AM
Quote from: No One Cares on January 06, 2024, 08:34:56 PM
Quote from: bigoil on January 06, 2024, 05:46:49 PMWow, Dillan with two monster wins!
9-5 over Mirasola 4 takedowns! Mirasola 5 escapes.
4-1 over Hopke, takedown for Johnson. Rode Hopke for nearly final 3 minutes. 

Ref's fault again that Hopke lost?

Someone sounds sour!!
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: DocWrestling on January 09, 2024, 09:25:32 AM
Has anyone ever been an all-conference football player and NCAA qualifier in wrestling?  In same year or even achieving them at different times in their career.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Army Ant on January 09, 2024, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on January 09, 2024, 09:25:32 AMHas anyone ever been an all-conference football player and NCAA qualifier in wrestling?  In same year or even achieving them at different times in their career.

I'm pretty sure "Dr Death" Steve Williams was; back in the 1980s or something like that. All conference in football and runner up to Baumgartner in wrestling.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: charteroak1 on January 09, 2024, 02:04:25 PM
Bob Golic All American in both football and wrestling at Notre Dame in 77 & 78
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: littleguy301 on January 09, 2024, 07:05:28 PM
Henry Jordan old 60's packer I think was.

Carlton Hassreg and stephan Neal were different. NCAA wrestling champs and all pro and HOF member so I guess they cover both but at different times ;D
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Ledger on January 09, 2024, 08:22:47 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on January 09, 2024, 07:05:28 PMHenry Jordan old 60's packer I think was.

Carlton Hassreg and stephan Neal were different. NCAA wrestling champs and all pro and HOF member so I guess they cover both but at different times ;D
Jordan was also one of the founding members of Summerfest.  Just found that out.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: vsmf2010 on January 09, 2024, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Ledger on January 09, 2024, 08:22:47 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on January 09, 2024, 07:05:28 PMHenry Jordan old 60's packer I think was.

Carlton Hassreg and stephan Neal were different. NCAA wrestling champs and all pro and HOF member so I guess they cover both but at different times ;D
Jordan was also one of the founding members of Summerfest.  Just found that out.

That is very cool. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: Houndhead on January 10, 2024, 06:12:16 AM
Didn't Tim Krumrie play football and wrestle for the Badgers in the late 70's?
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: charteroak1 on January 10, 2024, 08:33:27 AM
Yes, Tim did.  Was nice enough to donate a sauna for the Badger room quite some time ago if I recall.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: npope on January 10, 2024, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: Houndhead on January 10, 2024, 06:12:16 AMDidn't Tim Krumrie play football and wrestle for the Badgers in the late 70's?

He did for one year, and then went with football.

Also, way back in 1973, WI state champ Mike Jenkins (from River Falls) attended UW on a wrestling scholarship but also played nose tackle for the football team. Similarly, Ed Vatch (from Illinois) attended UW on a football scholarship but also wrestled (kinda the reverse situation of Jenkins). They were also roommates. After one year of doing both sports, they decided to focus on a single sport and "exchanged" scholarships so that Jenkins stayed with football and Vatch wrestled. By their senior years, Vatch was the Badger wrestling team captain and Jenkins was a three-year starter at nose tackle.

As an aside, while Jenkins won state in 1972 at heavyweight, he spent at least half of his matches at 185 - so he wasn't a big guy (also went to state in the shot put and high hurdles in track). I am under the impression that he was playing nose guard at about 220-230 pounds (someone correct me on that point if I am off on the estimate). Of course, that was a different time, but that was still small for that position.

Regarding Krumrie, in my first year of coaching (1979) we went to Mondovi (Krumie's hometown) for a dual and I hadn't previously met Mondovi's coaching staff. So, when I walk into the coaches' office one of the gentlemen was sitting there so I went over and introduced myself to him, shook his hand and everything. He told me that his name and I thought, "My god, our plump little heavyweight is going to die tonight". Krumrie was indeed a "man-child"; looked like he was 31 when in fact, he was only a teenager.
Title: Re: Dillan Johnson
Post by: suple on January 10, 2024, 09:20:23 PM
Nice thread