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Title: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 11:56:01 AM
Barnett looked methodical and never lost position dominating

Lamont was in position for upset but never even took a chance to go after the victory.  Frustrating to see him not just go for it.  Had last minute of regulation and 1+ minutes in sudden victory and did nothing.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: CLC FAN on March 16, 2023, 12:56:26 PM
Zargo... as expected.  Fought but lost by fall.

Gomez looked tough.  Rusty, not his 100 but man, he was letting it fly!  Awesome to get the major.

Model doing Model things.  10-5 over Iowa!

At the halfway point, a very nice round going!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: CLC FAN on March 16, 2023, 01:07:47 PM
DJ doing DJ things.  Fall in 1:24
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrastle63 on March 16, 2023, 01:22:36 PM
Model with a huge win. That sets him up in a much better spot in the bracket!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
So happy for Model!  Hoping he can keep it going
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: Harris on March 16, 2023, 02:04:28 PM
Amos out with an injury
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: TomM on March 16, 2023, 02:17:48 PM
On Flo they mention 'chats'. If these are out there, where do I find them? (clueless here)

Like 'gopher chat'
badger chat
etc.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrestlemania on March 16, 2023, 03:30:33 PM
That was a heck of a first round by UW. About as well as they could have expected. The only bummmer was Amos' injury. Hopefully he can still wrestle this weekend. LaMont too, losing in overtime. Tough breaks.

But everything else went according to plan and Model, man, you knew he had it in him but he's been so up and down throughout his tenure at UW. Let's hope he ends on an up and becomes All-American. That would be wonderful!


Let's keep it going Bucky!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: STFM1 on March 16, 2023, 03:30:56 PM
What happened to Amos?
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrastle63 on March 16, 2023, 03:44:50 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 16, 2023, 03:30:33 PMThat was a heck of a first round by UW. About as well as they could have expected. The only bummmer was Amos' injury. Hopefully he can still wrestle this weekend. LaMont too, losing in overtime. Tough breaks.

But everything else went according to plan and Model, man, you knew he had it in him but he's been so up and down throughout his tenure at UW. Let's hope he ends on an up and becomes All-American. That would be wonderful!


Let's keep it going Bucky!
Worst part for Lamont is now he has Ragusin just to stay alive. If he beat Latona he would have had the 22 seed to make the quarters.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: crossface21 on March 16, 2023, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: STFM1 on March 16, 2023, 03:30:56 PMWhat happened to Amos?

No doctor here, but it looked like he either seperated or dislocated his shoulder. When he first hurt it, they did some strength tests and he grimiced quite a bit on the last test and it kind of looked like they said it was up to him. He went back out and the guy got him in an overhook and the match was immediately stopped because he was in such pain, almost like the guy was able to pull it out of the socket. It did not look good when they got him off the mat. He looked like he was hurting considerably.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 04:05:09 PM
I just go back to that Lamont match and what a round it could have been.  He just looks like a guy that was hoping a transfer would rejuvenate his passion for wrestling and has not.  What a great career but he just looks like he wants it to be over.  He has put in a ton of work on the mat over a long time and huge respect for that so don't want it to come across like I am disrespecting him.  My respect for him just wanted that storybook ending with a great last tournament
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: onwisconsin on March 16, 2023, 05:05:55 PM
Definitely looked like a shoulder dislocation. Unfortunately these commonly require a surgical repair.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: crossface21 on March 16, 2023, 05:36:46 PM
Amos is done. Already listed as medical defaulting for his wrestleback. That sucks.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 16, 2023, 05:59:37 PM
Good first round but sad for Amos
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: onwisconsin on March 16, 2023, 07:08:55 PM

Worst part for Lamont is now he has Ragusin just to stay alive. If he beat Latona he would have had the 22 seed to make the quarters.
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Bummer for Lamont.  He just didn't have the mojo this year.  Amazing in 2021 he was in the semifinals and lost a 2-1 OT decision to Courtney from ASU for a chance to wrestle Lee in the finals.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 07:09:55 PM
Brutal loss for Barnett

Tough loss for Lamont- He certainly battled this match.  Great career
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 07:30:04 PM
Gomez blows his match with stupid mental mistake at end of 2nd period.

Barnett and Gomez losses were about as bad as can be at this level.  They had the matches won

And then Zargo only needs an escape in 3rd period and cannot get it.

Ugly losses and very frustating!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: 1Iota on March 16, 2023, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 07:30:04 PMGomez blows his match with stupid mental mistake at end of 2nd period.

Barnett and Gomez losses were about as bad as can be at this level.  They had the matches won

And then Zargo only needs an escape in 3rd period and cannot get it.

Ugly losses!

What was he thinking?  He is tied 2-2 with riding time and choice for the 3rd period. Why take a horrible shot with 12 seconds left literally handing a TD to his opponent?
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 16, 2023, 07:33:49 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 07:30:04 PMGomez blows his match with stupid mental mistake at end of 2nd period.

Barnett and Gomez losses were about as bad as can be at this level.  They had the matches won

And then Zargo only needs an escape in 3rd period and cannot get it.

Ugly losses and very frustating!

agree! Zargo has to be able to get out in two minutes of wrestling
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 16, 2023, 07:42:29 PM
seems like no Badger can get out from the bottom. ouch!
Hope Dean shows up big!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 16, 2023, 08:02:57 PM
great pin!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 08:05:23 PM
Hamiti looks like he is on a mission
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: leg turk on March 16, 2023, 08:09:15 PM
Dean, putting the team on his back, and apposition on their back. Fun to watch.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 16, 2023, 08:21:14 PM
Quote from: leg turk on March 16, 2023, 08:09:15 PMDean, putting the team on his back, and apposition on their back. Fun to watch.

Sitting 9th in points!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
Hamiti vs O'Toole seems like a sure thing in semis
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: onwisconsin on March 16, 2023, 08:41:35 PM
DJ lost to Amine in the dual.   I think he wins this time.

If Barnett and Gomez both pulled out wins we could be sitting in 3rd-5th. We would be feeling different right now. Barnett with a tough match next round. He split with Kaylor last year at nationals.

If Gomez is healthy he can get on a roll and win a bunch tomorrow.

Go Trent.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrestle_4ever on March 16, 2023, 09:21:14 PM
I don't think any man looks more dangerous than Silas at 197 right now. The A-train has arrived and I'm all aboard
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 09:35:26 PM
Not sure why Harvard wrestler did not choose down but good smart boring match by Hillger. Honestly looked like one of those matches that Hillger's weight gain helped him as Harvard wrestler was smaller.  On more win to be an AA.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 16, 2023, 09:51:22 PM
Not a great day but not a horrible day either. Still a path to AA for the guys on the back.

Barnett
Will have Kaylor of Oregon St
With a win he will have Miller or Medley
With another win most likely Ventresca in the bloodround

Gomez
Will have March of NDSU
With a win he will have Miller or Lamer
With another win he will have Murin in the bloodround

Model
Will have Swensen SDSU
With a win he will have Holschlag or Gallagher
With another win he will most likely have Lewan in the bloodround
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 09:57:35 PM
Gomez made one stupid mistake but otherwise I was very surprised how much healthier he looked.  Hopefully that knee wakes up tomorrow feeling good
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: TomM on March 16, 2023, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 09:35:26 PMNot sure why Harvard wrestler did not choose down but good smart boring match by Hillger. Honestly looked like one of those matches that Hillger's weight gain helped him as Harvard wrestler was smaller.  On more win to be an AA.
Hillger is super on top, is my guess for the decision to go neutral.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrestlemania on March 16, 2023, 10:32:14 PM
Second round not as a good as the first but not a disaster either. Two wrestlers in the quarters and three more still going. Still have a shot at five AA's.

Dang Amos cannot catch a break!

UW in a pretty good spot tied for 10th, higher than I remember them being after the first day of nationals in a long time. But woulda, coulda, shoulda wins by Barnett and Zargo and yeah, their 3rd-5th. It stinks! The only way this program can breakthrough is by winning these close matches consistently. At least Hillger did so, so that's a hopeful sign.

Hopefully UW will have just as a good a tomorrow!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 06:37:40 AM
I don't understand getting taken down with 12 seconds left in the match, to put you down by 1 and just laying flat and accepting the loss. I would think in this tournament you would do everything in your power to attempt to get away even if your chances of doing so are next to none.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 06:44:39 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 16, 2023, 09:57:35 PMGomez made one stupid mistake but otherwise I was very surprised how much healthier he looked.  Hopefully that knee wakes up tomorrow feeling good

Yes, he made a bad decision but mistakes happen. He does look like a completely different wrestler than 2 weeks ago. I feel confident he can win a couple matches or more on the backside. Just glad he is able to compete.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: bigoil on March 17, 2023, 07:15:13 AM
Quote from: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 06:37:40 AMI don't understand getting taken down with 12 seconds left in the match, to put you down by 1 and just laying flat and accepting the loss. I would think in this tournament you would do everything in your power to attempt to get away even if your chances of doing so are next to none.
I thought the same initially but then when they got up Noto had Barnett's legs crossed.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 07:42:28 AM
Quote from: bigoil on March 17, 2023, 07:15:13 AM
Quote from: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 06:37:40 AMI don't understand getting taken down with 12 seconds left in the match, to put you down by 1 and just laying flat and accepting the loss. I would think in this tournament you would do everything in your power to attempt to get away even if your chances of doing so are next to none.
I thought the same initially but then when they got up Noto had Barnett's legs crossed.

I also would have liked to see some sort of fight there at least.  Maybe a mental mistake and not knowing how much time was left but that was certainly a crushing takedown but so was giving up the reversal.  He certainly wrestled hard until that final 12 seconds.

Going to be interesting where Gomez and Barnett are mentally today after those crushing defeats.  Today is as much a mental test as a physical test.  If Barnett can win his first one today I could see him getting on a roll.  Gomez has a decent draw also
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: bigoil on March 17, 2023, 07:15:13 AM
Quote from: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 06:37:40 AMI don't understand getting taken down with 12 seconds left in the match, to put you down by 1 and just laying flat and accepting the loss. I would think in this tournament you would do everything in your power to attempt to get away even if your chances of doing so are next to none.
I thought the same initially but then when they got up Noto had Barnett's legs crossed.

I watched it 3 times, his legs are straight, top guy had left arm across both legs at the upper thigh. Either way, not even an attempt to get up. His chances of getting away may have been 3% but laying there and doing nothing makes it 100% certain you have no chance. I'm not trying to bring the man down, he is obviously an excellent wrestler. Doing this mid season is fine I guess, but in this tournament I just figured you don't quit until you hear the whistle when you are only down by 1. He is not the first wrestler I have seen give up with time left, he won't be the last but I just don't get why they do it. If he would have been down by 2 I think I would be better with it.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 07:59:01 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 07:42:28 AM
Quote from: bigoil on March 17, 2023, 07:15:13 AM
Quote from: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 06:37:40 AMI don't understand getting taken down with 12 seconds left in the match, to put you down by 1 and just laying flat and accepting the loss. I would think in this tournament you would do everything in your power to attempt to get away even if your chances of doing so are next to none.
I thought the same initially but then when they got up Noto had Barnett's legs crossed.

I also would have liked to see some sort of fight there at least.  Maybe a mental mistake and not knowing how much time was left but that was certainly a crushing takedown but so was giving up the reversal.  He certainly wrestled hard until that final 12 seconds.

Going to be interesting where Gomez and Barnett are mentally today after those crushing defeats.  Today is as much a mental test as a physical test.  If Barnett can win his first one today I could see him getting on a roll.  Gomez has a decent draw also

They have both been here before. I think having the night to get their head right should help. I think they both have a solid draw the next two rounds, definitely both guys have 2 very winnable matches in front of them.

I didn't see anyone mention it here yet but Hamiti looks like a man on a mission to this point. That is a sick weight but I believe at his best he can beat anyone in it.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 08:13:49 AM
On paper Barnett's day gets easier with each match...

First match against # 7 seed.

Next match would be against #16 seed or #18 seed

Blood round match would be against the #27 seed
***************************

Gomez has #13 seed first
Then either #21 or # 22 seed
Blood round match against the #8 seed
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrastle63 on March 17, 2023, 08:17:59 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 08:13:49 AMOn paper Barnett's day gets easier with each match...

First match against # 7 seed.

Next match would be against #16 seed or #18 seed

Blood round match would be against the #27 seed
***************************

Gomez has #13 seed first
Then either #21 or # 22 seed
Blood round match against the #8 seed

Yea they both have solid paths to AA, but going to have to bring it right away this morning.

Model has #20 seed first
Then #22 seed or #28 seed.
Blood round would be probably #8 Lewan. Model lost 5-3 this year.

Still think we have a really good shot at Barnett, Gomez, Model, Hamiti, and Hillger all AAing.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 08:23:13 AM
Hillger will have to likely beat #8 seed from Iowa St in blood round to be an AA
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 17, 2023, 08:50:07 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 08:23:13 AMHillger will have to likely beat #8 seed from Iowa St in blood round to be an AA

That would be a rematch of the "shoe" match from earlier in the year went Trent had him beat and was holding on with the clock winding down and Schuyler's shoe came off and he got a last minute takedown. Schuler got spiked on his shoulder on a mat return by Davison last night so it will be interesting to see if he is healthy enough to get to the blood round.

It brings up something my son and I have been discussing since the big tens. Austin got called for a slam on a double when the opponent was in on a chest wrap but his arms were not trapped. However they never call a slam on a mat return. Davison was locked around Schuyler's arm and body and spiked him right on the shoulder of the trapped arm. No slam, Schuyler had to take injury time, Davison chose bottom and got out which basically made a close match not close. Two point swing in an 8/9 Hwt is a massive swing.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrastle63 on March 17, 2023, 09:10:42 AM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 17, 2023, 08:50:07 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 08:23:13 AMHillger will have to likely beat #8 seed from Iowa St in blood round to be an AA

That would be a rematch of the "shoe" match from earlier in the year went Trent had him beat and was holding on with the clock winding down and Schuyler's shoe came off and he got a last minute takedown. Schuler got spiked on his shoulder on a mat return by Davison last night so it will be interesting to see if he is healthy enough to get to the blood round.

It brings up something my son and I have been discussing since the big tens. Austin got called for a slam on a double when the opponent was in on a chest wrap but his arms were not trapped. However they never call a slam on a mat return. Davison was locked around Schuyler's arm and body and spiked him right on the shoulder of the trapped arm. No slam, Schuyler had to take injury time, Davison chose bottom and got out which basically made a close match not close. Two point swing in an 8/9 Hwt is a massive swing.
Yea going to guess Schuyler's shoulder is feeling pretty rough today.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: rankwizard on March 17, 2023, 09:30:44 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 08:13:49 AMOn paper Barnett's day gets easier with each match...

First match against # 7 seed.

Next match would be against #16 seed or #18 seed

Blood round match would be against the #27 seed
***************************

Gomez has #13 seed first
Then either #21 or # 22 seed
Blood round match against the #8 seed


#27 seed is no slouch.

Your next match is always the hardest and most important.

Go Badgers!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: leg turk on March 17, 2023, 10:17:47 AM
He just didn't want to face Spencer.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 17, 2023, 10:28:08 AM
Quote from: leg turk on March 17, 2023, 10:17:47 AMHe just didn't want to face Spencer.

In all honesty Noto's path to AA is shorter than Barnett's (1 win vs 3) but not necessary easier. After Lee techs him he will likely meet Mckee or DeAugustino in the bloodround. Thinking Mckee. The consolation rounds of the NCAA's are his happy place. He has only lost 1 consolation match in the NCAA's in his career and that was to Vito.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: Vir Fortis on March 17, 2023, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 07:42:28 AM
Quote from: bigoil on March 17, 2023, 07:15:13 AM
Quote from: scrambledeggs on March 17, 2023, 06:37:40 AMI don't understand getting taken down with 12 seconds left in the match, to put you down by 1 and just laying flat and accepting the loss. I would think in this tournament you would do everything in your power to attempt to get away even if your chances of doing so are next to none.
I thought the same initially but then when they got up Noto had Barnett's legs crossed.

I also would have liked to see some sort of fight there at least.  Maybe a mental mistake and not knowing how much time was left but that was certainly a crushing takedown but so was giving up the reversal.  He certainly wrestled hard until that final 12 seconds.

Going to be interesting where Gomez and Barnett are mentally today after those crushing defeats.  Today is as much a mental test as a physical test.  If Barnett can win his first one today I could see him getting on a roll.  Gomez has a decent draw also

I thought Gomez best chance to make the stand was beat Parco and make a run to the Semis. With the knees and probably not being in the best shape, I was worried he'd MFF if he lost on the front side. Really hope that's not the case.

He looked pretty good, but that backside is about mentality. We'll learn a lot about Gomez here...IMO.

Of course, maybe he's got a partially torn ACL and a MFF would be the best thing for him. I don't buy it, but...possible.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 17, 2023, 11:19:35 AM
THAT IS THE WAY TO START THE DAY MR. BARNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: Harris on March 17, 2023, 11:20:25 AM
Boom!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: Ghetto on March 17, 2023, 11:36:50 AM
Barnett pinned his kid too quickly. I demand a rematch so I can watch it
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: WFactory19 on March 17, 2023, 05:21:58 PM
I'm a badger fan and always will be! I'm super excited to see how Barnett, Hamiti, and Hilger finish. However, will the constant underachievements from our team makes me wonder if Bono is doing the job. The guys aren't mentally ready to wrestle and seem like they lack fundamentals/development. Guys have not gotten any better after they have come here, I know Division 1 is tough but being average in the Big 10 stinks. We beat the #2 Cornell team earlier in the year and look how they got better but we haven't. Barry Davis got fired for doing better......ridiculous. Maybe we should be asking who can take the program to the next level??? Ben Askren can turn the program around! He proves time and time again he can develop/create amazing college wrestlers. I'm sure he knows how to recruit too  ;) 
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: Ghetto on March 17, 2023, 07:47:01 PM
Quote from: WFactory19 on March 17, 2023, 05:21:58 PMI'm a badger fan and always will be! I'm super excited to see how Barnett, Hamiti, and Hilger finish. However, will the constant underachievements from our team makes me wonder if Bono is doing the job. The guys aren't mentally ready to wrestle and seem like they lack fundamentals/development. Guys have not gotten any better after they have come here, I know Division 1 is tough but being average in the Big 10 stinks. We beat the #2 Cornell team earlier in the year and look how they got better but we haven't. Barry Davis got fired for doing better......ridiculous. Maybe we should be asking who can take the program to the next level??? Ben Askren can turn the program around! He proves time and time again he can develop/create amazing college wrestlers. I'm sure he knows how to recruit too  ;) 

You must be new here. Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrestling for fun on March 17, 2023, 08:02:38 PM
Quote from: WFactory19 on March 17, 2023, 05:21:58 PMI'm a badger fan and always will be! I'm super excited to see how Barnett, Hamiti, and Hilger finish. However, will the constant underachievements from our team makes me wonder if Bono is doing the job. The guys aren't mentally ready to wrestle and seem like they lack fundamentals/development. Guys have not gotten any better after they have come here, I know Division 1 is tough but being average in the Big 10 stinks. We beat the #2 Cornell team earlier in the year and look how they got better but we haven't. Barry Davis got fired for doing better......ridiculous. Maybe we should be asking who can take the program to the next level??? Ben Askren can turn the program around! He proves time and time again he can develop/create amazing college wrestlers. I'm sure he knows how to recruit too  ;) 
Well Hamiti was a Bono recruit, other than that, It is certainly fair to cast some shade towards them.     I do not see  that our lighter weights have progressed or improved much with the change out of the asst coach.   
I think its time to put some measurable standards in place by our staff and towards our staff.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: BrokeHimOnBottom on March 17, 2023, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: WFactory19 on March 17, 2023, 05:21:58 PMI'm a badger fan and always will be! I'm super excited to see how Barnett, Hamiti, and Hilger finish. However, will the constant underachievements from our team makes me wonder if Bono is doing the job. The guys aren't mentally ready to wrestle and seem like they lack fundamentals/development. Guys have not gotten any better after they have come here, I know Division 1 is tough but being average in the Big 10 stinks. We beat the #2 Cornell team earlier in the year and look how they got better but we haven't. Barry Davis got fired for doing better......ridiculous. Maybe we should be asking who can take the program to the next level??? Ben Askren can turn the program around! He proves time and time again he can develop/create amazing college wrestlers. I'm sure he knows how to recruit too  ;) 

100%! Bono got lucky at SDSU with Gross. He has had some decent talent come in and hasn't done anything with it. If anything he just inappropriate term17 the bed on the big stage. The Ben Askren claim is so valid. Imagine if the AWA guys came to Wisconsin! We would be in the hunt for a team title right now. Get rid of Bono's sorry inappropriate term2 and bring in Funky to flip the Mirasolas and all the future Mizzou recruits build these guys up to compete on the big stage.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: WFactory19 on March 17, 2023, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: Ghetto on March 17, 2023, 07:47:01 PM
Quote from: WFactory19 on March 17, 2023, 05:21:58 PMI'm a badger fan and always will be! I'm super excited to see how Barnett, Hamiti, and Hilger finish. However, will the constant underachievements from our team makes me wonder if Bono is doing the job. The guys aren't mentally ready to wrestle and seem like they lack fundamentals/development. Guys have not gotten any better after they have come here, I know Division 1 is tough but being average in the Big 10 stinks. We beat the #2 Cornell team earlier in the year and look how they got better but we haven't. Barry Davis got fired for doing better......ridiculous. Maybe we should be asking who can take the program to the next level??? Ben Askren can turn the program around! He proves time and time again he can develop/create amazing college wrestlers. I'm sure he knows how to recruit too  ;) 

You must be new here. Welcome to the forum.

I'm not new to the forum, just speaking the truth no one wants to hear. The fact of the matter if your satisfied with average performances and I'm not. I want to trophy as a team, maybe look towards to building a program not ruining one
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: wrestlemania on March 17, 2023, 11:47:57 PM
"Ben Askren can turn the program around! He proves time and time again he can develop/create amazing college wrestlers. I'm sure he knows how to recruit to"

Is that you Max?

Love how the brood of vipers had suddenly emerged from their den in the middle of March. It seems like they do so every year.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: Ghetto on March 18, 2023, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: WFactory19 on March 17, 2023, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: Ghetto on March 17, 2023, 07:47:01 PM
Quote from: WFactory19 on March 17, 2023, 05:21:58 PMI'm a badger fan and always will be! I'm super excited to see how Barnett, Hamiti, and Hilger finish. However, will the constant underachievements from our team makes me wonder if Bono is doing the job. The guys aren't mentally ready to wrestle and seem like they lack fundamentals/development. Guys have not gotten any better after they have come here, I know Division 1 is tough but being average in the Big 10 stinks. We beat the #2 Cornell team earlier in the year and look how they got better but we haven't. Barry Davis got fired for doing better......ridiculous. Maybe we should be asking who can take the program to the next level??? Ben Askren can turn the program around! He proves time and time again he can develop/create amazing college wrestlers. I'm sure he knows how to recruit too  ;) 

You must be new here. Welcome to the forum.

I'm not new to the forum, just speaking the truth no one wants to hear. The fact of the matter if your satisfied with average performances and I'm not. I want to trophy as a team, maybe look towards to building a program not ruining one

Then you don't read much. This argument has gone on for a while.

Ben Askren is a walking, talking, breathing NCAA compliance issue, owning most of the wrestling clubs in the state, unless the NCAA bylaws have changed recently.

It's a shame that the two gigantic egos involved can't get along, because I do believe that Ben would be great for the RTC. He changed wrestling with his style almost 20 years ago. Can he continue to evolve and change? Because that style of wrestling is no longer innovative. Everyone is putting those pieces into their game. He'd have to change again. He's smart enough to know that.

Imagine being Chris McIntosh, firing Bono, who makes no waves, and then switching over to Ben Askren, who never met a microphone he didn't want to speak into. He'd have to change that too, to be a successful head coach.

We want nice things, but we don't want to look in the mirror and say that we are part of the problem. Programs like Iowa and Penn State are sitting on piles of money. Wisconsin is sitting on the pile of change your grandma gives you as a Christmas present as a kid. Until that changes, we will have limited success at UW.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 18, 2023, 07:15:13 PM
Money was a problem and now it is a HUGE problem when it comes to NIL money.
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: Wrestling Thug on March 19, 2023, 10:51:29 AM
Wrestling monopolies are slowly diminishing the sport! It's the Walmart effect, which is to come into town and decimate all surrounding businesses and be the one stop shop! The top 5 schools get the best and everyone else gets what's left! Penn State is so good that they really don't have to fight for recruits! And that proves they are becoming a monopoly. In time how many programs are going to be around as they lose fans and facility support! I read a lot of the comments over the years about UW staying stagnant. More has to be done with instilling kids with the thoughts of being successful anywhere they go! And collectively as a group constantly be in the ears of elite kids telling them Wisconsin can be a place they can win. Be like Andrew Allirez and win where you are at! Also stop feeding Ben Askren's ego could help!
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 19, 2023, 11:15:27 AM
Look at what Cornell and Princeton do without being able to give out athletic scholarships plus academic requirements.  Thus they are not limited at all to 9.9 athletic scholarships.  Finding academic scholarship money and NIL money put them ahead or at least even with schools like UW in terms of resources.

Truth is teams with the best donors are going to be the most successful
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: Ghetto on March 19, 2023, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 19, 2023, 11:15:27 AMLook at what Cornell and Princeton do without being able to give out athletic scholarships plus academic requirements.  Thus they are not limited at all to 9.9 athletic scholarships.  Finding academic scholarship money and NIL money put them ahead or at least even with schools like UW in terms of resources.

Truth is teams with the best donors are going to be the most successful

Yep
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: DocWrestling on March 19, 2023, 02:42:14 PM
I would bet Penn St backups are getting more money than some of our starting lineup
Title: Re: NCAA Session 1
Post by: BadgerOne on March 19, 2023, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 19, 2023, 02:42:14 PMI would bet Penn St backups are getting more money than some of our starting lineup

I would take the other side of the bet.   Plenty of PA high school studs will take less money to wrestle for Penn State, plus Penn State tries harder than most to get its recruits on academic scholarships and other financial aid.  One of the problems with Wisconsin not being able to recruit well is that top schools usually get a in-state discount as tuition is less for in-state recruits and offer a smaller scholarship.  All those out of state recruits are probably tying up a lot of scholly money for the Badgers.  I think a top five program is a pipe dream unless Bono can recruit the state better and land more elite recruits.  Sorry to be negative, but I don't think the recruiting has been good enough post-Hamiti to even have much chance of being a top ten program, much less a top five podium team.  If Badgers can land Davino and Hopke, I'll change my tune.