Gomez with the 15 seed. Gets the number 2 seed Sasso if he wins first round.
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Not a lot of love for the Big Ten at a lot of weights considering the % of AA's that typically come from the Big Ten. Seems like record was prioritized over quality of competition. Ultimately it does not matter because the draws get all jacked up with the upsets and injuries.
Wish Barnett could have been placed away from Lee to make a run
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Quote from: DocWrestling on March 08, 2023, 08:07:28 PMWish Barnett could have been placed away from Lee to make a run
A bit surprised to see Barnett, McKee and DeAugustino the 9, 11 and 12
Barnett, Model and Braxton got brutal paths.
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Quote from: BadgerOne on March 08, 2023, 08:15:13 PMBarnett, Model and Braxton got brutal paths.
100% on Barnett and Model. Call me crazy but I kind of thought that Braxton's path was not the worst considering he was going to be a double digit seed. I know Bonaccorsi is the 1 seed, undefeated and was a finalist but every time I watch him he seems beatable. If he could get by Pentz, somehow pull that upset off and Allred beats Dean again I would like to see Braxton against Allred again. In the dual he got the first takedown, was controlling the match and seemed like he was in good shape until he got dinged. I went back and rewatched the match real quick to see if I remembered correctly. He injured his groin or a flexor (right leg) going out of bounds with 15 seconds left in the first and was never the same after that.
Aaron Brooks with the 3 seed? That's ridiculous.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 08, 2023, 08:29:59 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on March 08, 2023, 08:15:13 PMBarnett, Model and Braxton got brutal paths.
100% on Barnett and Model. Call me crazy but I kind of thought that Braxton's path was not the worst considering he was going to be a double digit seed. I know Bonaccorsi is the 1 seed, undefeated and was a finalist but every time I watch him he seems beatable. If he could get by Pentz, somehow pull that upset off and Allred beats Dean again I would like to see Braxton against Allred again. In the dual he got the first takedown, was controlling the match and seemed like he was in good shape until he got dinged. I went back and rewatched the match real quick to see if I remembered correctly. He injured his groin or a flexor (right leg) going out of bounds with 15 seconds left in the first and was never the same after that.
I'm assuming he'd have to beat the top seed and Max Dean. I think Dean would beat Allred if they meet up again. I think the top seed, Max Dean and Allred in one quarter of the bracket is a bracket that I would rather not be in.
Quote from: ocwrestler on March 08, 2023, 08:42:43 PMAaron Brooks with the 3 seed? That's ridiculous.
Well he has one loss so I understand, but he's also easily the favorite overall.
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Quote from: BadgerOne on March 08, 2023, 08:45:06 PMQuote from: ocwrestler on March 08, 2023, 08:42:43 PMAaron Brooks with the 3 seed? That's ridiculous.
Well he has one loss so I understand, but he's also easily the favorite overall.
So does Keckheisen and Hidlay. If all of them have a loss the one seed should have went to the two time returning national champ
Quote from: ocwrestler on March 08, 2023, 08:42:43 PMAaron Brooks with the 3 seed? That's ridiculous.
That's what I thought.
Most guys will end up in the consis so sees almost doesn't matter, a bit of luck to see who gets upset and falls to your side of the consi bracket.
Quote from: leg turk on March 08, 2023, 07:36:30 PMGomez with the 15 seed. Gets the number 2 seed Sasso if he wins first round.
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Probably fair. Extremely low chance he'll be close to 100%.
I'm not betting against him!
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 08, 2023, 08:44:11 PMQuote from: vsmf2010 on March 08, 2023, 08:29:59 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on March 08, 2023, 08:15:13 PMBarnett, Model and Braxton got brutal paths.
100% on Barnett and Model. Call me crazy but I kind of thought that Braxton's path was not the worst considering he was going to be a double digit seed. I know Bonaccorsi is the 1 seed, undefeated and was a finalist but every time I watch him he seems beatable. If he could get by Pentz, somehow pull that upset off and Allred beats Dean again I would like to see Braxton against Allred again. In the dual he got the first takedown, was controlling the match and seemed like he was in good shape until he got dinged. I went back and rewatched the match real quick to see if I remembered correctly. He injured his groin or a flexor (right leg) going out of bounds with 15 seconds left in the first and was never the same after that.
I'm assuming he'd have to beat the top seed and Max Dean. I think Dean would beat Allred if they meet up again. I think the top seed, Max Dean and Allred in one quarter of the bracket is a bracket that I would rather not be in.
No argument here and like I said call me crazy. Dean has not been a good match up for Braxton because of his top game but I do like what I saw from Braxton against Allred. Your point about the #1 seed, the Big Ten champ and defending champ in the same quarter is a good one. Cannot imagine that Bonaccorsi and the Pitt coaching staff are in love with that draw. I think 197 will be a wild ride. Caffey the 19 vs Warner the 14 in the first round! Bastida is the 13. Cardenas who just beat Beard is the 10. I have no clue who the 8 AA's will be in this bracket.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 08, 2023, 08:29:59 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on March 08, 2023, 08:15:13 PMBarnett, Model and Braxton got brutal paths.
100% on Barnett and Model. Call me crazy but I kind of thought that Braxton's path was not the worst considering he was going to be a double digit seed. I know Bonaccorsi is the 1 seed, undefeated and was a finalist but every time I watch him he seems beatable. If he could get by Pentz, somehow pull that upset off and Allred beats Dean again I would like to see Braxton against Allred again. In the dual he got the first takedown, was controlling the match and seemed like he was in good shape until he got dinged. I went back and rewatched the match real quick to see if I remembered correctly. He injured his groin or a flexor (right leg) going out of bounds with 15 seconds left in the first and was never the same after that.
I agree, it was obvious something happened to Amos there.
That whole weight is up for grabs. I think giving Dean the #9 seed is...kinda silly. How far down is prior success at the D1s? Doesn't seem like they place much on it. 2X Finalist, defending Champ and B1G runner up in a weight class like this?
I mean, I can understand the logic. Laird and Beard beat him, then lost to Allred in the B1Gs, but still, the 9 seed for Dean seems low.
As for Gomez, his seed was fine. He has a chance to take over the #2 seed if he can beat Sasso. He's set up fine. Tougher than expected quarters match, but he's on the opposite side as Yianni and he's got two weeks to get better and hopefully look better than he did this past weekend?
Quote from: ocwrestler on March 08, 2023, 08:42:43 PMAaron Brooks with the 3 seed? That's ridiculous.
LOL...wow. I wrote my last post a couple hours ago and then realized I hadn't posted it, but Max Dean as the 9 seed looks great compared to Brooks as the 3.
How on Earth do they figure THAT makes sense? These seedings put WAY too much emphasis on your latest loss and when it was. Brooks is 71-4, going for his 3 title in 3 tournaments. A fluke loss to Coleman is NOT a good enough reason to seed him behind Hidlay and Parker...as impressive as they are.
Gives him a slightly tougher road, but he should still make it through.
Quote from: bigoil on March 08, 2023, 09:26:56 PMMost guys will end up in the consis so sees almost doesn't matter, a bit of luck to see who gets upset and falls to your side of the consi bracket.
Unless a weight has possibly two or three super studs, this assessment is spot on - at some point virtually all wrestlers drop into the consolation bracket and have to make their way to placement there - it's just a question as to how early you drop into consolations. While its true that the longer you stay in the championship bracket the better the chances of becoming AA become, only the four semi-finalists are guaranteed of AA'ing, two by virtue of making the finals and the other two by their specific positioning into the consolation brackets. Of the Badgers, only (a healthy) Gomez is possibly described by that scenario...and he's not healthy now. So, the success of the Badgers is defined by their ability to navigate the consolation bracket - not the championship side of the tournament. The bigger issue for the Badger wrestlers is who they will bump into on the consolation side, and that's a bit tough to project prior to the start of the tournament. And yes, as Vir Fortis pointed out above, Gomez "only" has to beat Sasso and then suddenly he, would assume the second seed's path to the finals. That's not such a bad deal for (a healthy) Gomez. For an unhealthy Gomez, the whole bracket is a mine field.
Quote from: npope on March 09, 2023, 05:15:42 AMonly the four semi-finalists are guaranteed of AA'ing, two by virtue of making the finals and the other two by their specific positioning into the consolation brackets. Of the Badgers, only (a healthy) Gomez is possibly described by that scenario
Ummmmm...
DJ?
Quote from: CLC FAN on March 09, 2023, 06:27:27 AMQuote from: npope on March 09, 2023, 05:15:42 AMonly the four semi-finalists are guaranteed of AA'ing, two by virtue of making the finals and the other two by their specific positioning into the consolation brackets. Of the Badgers, only (a healthy) Gomez is possibly described by that scenario
Ummmmm...
DJ?Quote from: CLC FAN on March 09, 2023, 06:27:27 AMAgreed - I missed DJ in that assessment, although that weight is particularly loaded with comparable talent.
Quote from: npope on March 09, 2023, 05:15:42 AMonly the four semi-finalists are guaranteed of AA'ing, two by virtue of making the finals and the other two by their specific positioning into the consolation brackets. Of the Badgers, only (a healthy) Gomez is possibly described by that scenario
Ummmmm...
DJ?
Quote from: Vir Fortis on March 09, 2023, 12:17:46 AMQuote from: vsmf2010 on March 08, 2023, 08:29:59 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on March 08, 2023, 08:15:13 PMBarnett, Model and Braxton got brutal paths.
100% on Barnett and Model. Call me crazy but I kind of thought that Braxton's path was not the worst considering he was going to be a double digit seed. I know Bonaccorsi is the 1 seed, undefeated and was a finalist but every time I watch him he seems beatable. If he could get by Pentz, somehow pull that upset off and Allred beats Dean again I would like to see Braxton against Allred again. In the dual he got the first takedown, was controlling the match and seemed like he was in good shape until he got dinged. I went back and rewatched the match real quick to see if I remembered correctly. He injured his groin or a flexor (right leg) going out of bounds with 15 seconds left in the first and was never the same after that.
I agree, it was obvious something happened to Amos there.
That whole weight is up for grabs. I think giving Dean the #9 seed is...kinda silly. How far down is prior success at the D1s? Doesn't seem like they place much on it. 2X Finalist, defending Champ and B1G runner up in a weight class like this?
Prior success isn't factored in at all for the seeding formula. The only time it could be factored in is if the seed scores are close enough to go to a vote.
Quote from: bigoil on March 08, 2023, 09:50:57 PMI'm not betting against him!
Scared money don't make money!
To be the best ya gotta beat em all anyway. Seeds are just a number and none of it matters come March 16. I believe the Badgers are poised for a breakout with 3 semifinal appearances.
DJ
Gomez
Amos
Quote from: wrestle_4ever on March 09, 2023, 02:09:28 PMTo be the best ya gotta beat em all anyway. Seeds are just a number and none of it matters come March 16. I believe the Badgers are poised for a breakout with 3 semifinal appearances.
DJ
Gomez
Amos
That is what I am talking about! I love the optimism! Welcome to the forum!
Lamont moved up to the 27 seed and has Sam Latona R1 due to Connor McGonagle dropping out.
Austin Gomez moved up to the 14 seed and wrestles Mitch Moore from Oklahoma due to Jonathan Milner from App State dropping out. Now would have Parco from ASU R2 (3 seed) instead of Sasso match (which would happen now in semis now should he get that far).
NOC, I was aware of those changes, but have you found a pdf 'updated of that online yet?
Not a pdf... but the seeding and matchup changes mentioned are reflected in the trackwrestling brackets.
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Fun fact there are 8 teams that have more qualifiers than Wisconsin.
Gomez up to #14 and I think he can make some waves.
Quote from: TomM on March 14, 2023, 02:32:33 PMNOC, I was aware of those changes, but have you found a pdf 'updated of that online yet?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18Sxe8Xa6FRFKnmRmL56I76hmJXtBSOIJ/view?fbclid=IwAR3ZmSp2kW_MyURbd-Vw-cb1ahgCubT0G-MD1ruWOHksexMWNnkZqIBsbLk
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