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Title: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 03, 2023, 04:24:27 PM
Bracket - Results

https://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/predefinedtournaments/VerifyPassword.jsp?tournamentId=720278132
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 07:33:22 AM
Schedule

https://bigten.org/sports/2022/11/11/202223WRSTChamps.aspx

Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: head57 on March 04, 2023, 09:12:59 AM
Nice start to the tourney with an EB pin.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 09:36:21 AM
125
Champ. Round 1 - Eric Barnett (Wisconsin) 17-5 won by fall over Maximo Renteria (Illinois) 4-12 (Fall 4:09)
133
Champ. Round 1 - Joe Heilmann (Rutgers) 23-6 won by decision over Taylor Lamont (Wisconsin) 9-13 (Dec 5-2)
Cons. Round 1 - Taylor Lamont (Wisconsin) 9-13 received a bye () (Bye)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 09:45:50 AM
Lamont loses 5-2. Heilmann rode him the whole 2nd period and ended riding him out once he got a TD in the 3rd.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 09:46:36 AM
Zargo!! Beats 6 seed Pucino from Illinois 8-4
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 09:47:09 AM
141
Champ. Round 1 - Joseph Zargo (Wisconsin) 10-10 won by decision over Danny Pucino (Illinois) 14-9 (Dec 8-4)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 04, 2023, 09:52:50 AM
Nice win by Joe!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 10:08:44 AM
157
Champ. Round 1 - Trevor Chumbley (Northwestern) 22-5 won by decision over Garrett Model (Wisconsin) 15-8 (Dec 4-2)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 10:52:52 AM
174
Champ. Round 1 - Bailee O`Reilly (Minnesota) 16-3 won by major decision over Josh Otto (Wisconsin) 6-15 (MD 9-0)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 10:57:58 AM
184
Champ. Round 1 - Lenny Pinto (Nebraska) 20-7 won by fall over Tyler Dow (Wisconsin) 7-12 (Fall 1:46)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 11:08:44 AM
197
Champ. Round 1 - Michial Foy (Minnesota) 14-7 won in sudden victory - 1 over Braxton Amos (Wisconsin) 16-6 (SV-1 4-2)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 11:13:55 AM
285
Champ. Round 1 - Trent Hillger (Wisconsin) 15-6 won by fall over Ryan Vasbinder (Michigan State) 15-13 (Fall 3:50)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 11:15:05 AM
Tough loss for Braxton.  He was up 2-0 and on top in the middle of the third, but Foy got a penalty point and then escape sending it to SV.  What was the penalty?
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 11:18:58 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 11:15:05 AMTough loss for Braxton.  He was up 2-0 and on top in the middle of the third, but Foy got a penalty point and then escape sending it to SV.  What was the penalty?

Illegal move. He had Foy's ankle in his armpit, and stepped across for an inside trip. I don't think I've ever seen that called before.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 11:29:57 AM
125
Eric Barnett (17-6) place is unknown and scored 3.0 team points.
Champ. Round 1 - Eric Barnett (Wisconsin) 17-6 won by fall over Maximo Renteria (Illinois) 4-12 (Fall 4:09)
Quarterfinal - Patrick McKee (Minnesota) 12-4 won by fall over Eric Barnett (Wisconsin) 17-6 (Fall 4:36)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: leg turk on March 04, 2023, 11:30:35 AM
Barnett gets stuck.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: FinalWord on March 04, 2023, 11:56:13 AM
The Badgers are really tearing it up today! I see 7-8 AA's in a couple weeks!!!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: 1Iota on March 04, 2023, 12:15:24 PM
As a Bono defender I must admit, they are wrestling like crap today. 
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: JAMMIN on March 04, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: FinalWord on March 04, 2023, 11:56:13 AMThe Badgers are really tearing it up today! I see 7-8 AA's in a couple weeks!!!

Are you matching the same matches that I am?  I don't see more than 3-4 AA from this team.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 12:19:53 PM
Quote from: JAMMIN on March 04, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: FinalWord on March 04, 2023, 11:56:13 AMThe Badgers are really tearing it up today! I see 7-8 AA's in a couple weeks!!!

Are you matching the same matches that I am?  I don't see more than 3-4 AA from this team.
Quote from: JAMMIN on March 04, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: FinalWord on March 04, 2023, 11:56:13 AMThe Badgers are really tearing it up today! I see 7-8 AA's in a couple weeks!!!

Are you matching the same matches that I am?  I don't see more than 3-4 AA from this team.

I see Hamiti and Barnett as likely AAs, but not sure we should expect much more.  After seeing Gomez hobble around today, I just don't see him AAing this year.  He is in obvious pain.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 12:31:59 PM
Not looking great so far. Lets see how much grit these guys have coming thru on the backside.

I'm assuming the chances of Gomez wrestling his next match are 50/50. And after that even less.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 04, 2023, 12:38:46 PM
285
Champ. Round 1 - Trent Hillger (Wisconsin) 15-6 won by fall over Ryan Vasbinder (Michigan State) 15-13 (Fall 3:50)

141
Joseph Zargo (10-11) place is unknown and scored 1.0 team points.
Champ. Round 1 - Joseph Zargo (Wisconsin) 10-11 won by decision over Danny Pucino (Illinois) 14-9 (Dec 8-4)
Quarterfinal - Brock Hardy (Nebraska) 26-4 won by major decision over Joseph Zargo (Wisconsin) 10-11 (MD 12-0)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 01:02:49 PM
Wow, Hilger!  Comes out on top in 50/50 scramble in Sudden Victory and knocks off the higher seeded Davidson.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 01:05:28 PM
Hilger has never seemed to be able to break thru whenever he's wrestled someone in the Top 5. Hopefully this will give him some momentum!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 04, 2023, 01:18:26 PM
Great win by Trent!
Burwick two losses and out, just saying
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 04, 2023, 01:23:20 PM
THHOOOORRR!!!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 12:31:59 PMNot looking great so far. Lets see how much grit these guys have coming thru on the backside.

I'm assuming the chances of Gomez wrestling his next match are 50/50. And after that even less.

You are more optimistic than me that we'll see Gomez.  I give him less than a 1% chance of wrestling another match this weekend as he is clearly in pain and there is nothing to be gained by wrestling more.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 04, 2023, 01:36:16 PM
Otto just lost and is eliminated from the tournament.

7 Badgers in Consolation Round of 12.

If they win they qualify for the NCAAs.

A loss would put them in the 9th place bracket.

Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: head57 on March 04, 2023, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: JAMMIN on March 04, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: FinalWord on March 04, 2023, 11:56:13 AMThe Badgers are really tearing it up today! I see 7-8 AA's in a couple weeks!!!

Are you matching the same matches that I am?  I don't see more than 3-4 AA from this team.

He's being sarcastic. That's the most value some can bring to the board.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 04:33:26 PM
I don't see any ninth place brackets on Trackwrestling like I have seen in years past.  If anyone sees them up somewhere, please post a link. 

Are the four losers of the consolation quarterfinals all in contention for the 9th spot?  So assuming 14 wrestlers in a bracket only two wrestlers are completely eliminated from a top 9 placement for each of the weights with at least 9 allocations, correct?
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 04:54:16 PM
Lamont lost to Brody Teske 4-1 and he'll wrestle for 9th place.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 04:58:28 PM
Zargo is in!  Zargo with a nice win over Rooks.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 04, 2023, 05:05:31 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 04:33:26 PMI don't see any ninth place brackets on Trackwrestling like I have seen in years past.  If anyone sees them up somewhere, please post a link. 

Are the four losers of the consolation quarterfinals all in contention for the 9th spot?  So assuming 14 wrestlers in a bracket only two wrestlers are completely eliminated from a top 9 placement for each of the weights with at least 9 allocations, correct?

they are up now on Track
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 04, 2023, 05:08:25 PM
DQ?
I missed it. What happened to Gomez? Med Forfeit or something else?
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on March 04, 2023, 05:05:31 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 04:33:26 PMI don't see any ninth place brackets on Trackwrestling like I have seen in years past.  If anyone sees them up somewhere, please post a link. 

Are the four losers of the consolation quarterfinals all in contention for the 9th spot?  So assuming 14 wrestlers in a bracket only two wrestlers are completely eliminated from a top 9 placement for each of the weights with at least 9 allocations, correct?

they are up now on Track

Thanks, I see them now.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 05:16:58 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 05:14:24 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on March 04, 2023, 05:08:25 PMDQ?
I missed it. What happened to Gomez? Med Forfeit or something else?

Apparently, Gomez was first assessed a penalty for a hard mat return or mat slam and then after the Maryland wrestler was down for a while, they must have decided to DQ Gomez.  The Maryland wrestler advanced.  I'm really surprised that Gomez even wrestled as he had little to gain and more to lose.  I think as long as he wrestled one match he is considered a lock as an at-large, and this DQ probably hurts his seeding even more and I wonder if some might withhold voting for him as an at-large based on his conduct during this match.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 05:19:38 PM
Model loses and now will wrestle for 9th or 10th place as there are ten allocations at 157.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: PAUL on March 04, 2023, 05:22:22 PM
I know there are some bright spots and still many matches to go, but it seems like it's been a pretty nasty tournament so far.... 
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: bigoil on March 04, 2023, 05:37:19 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 05:14:24 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on March 04, 2023, 05:08:25 PMDQ?
I missed it. What happened to Gomez? Med Forfeit or something else?

Apparently, Gomez was first assessed a penalty for a hard mat return or mat slam and then after the Maryland wrestler was down for a while, they must have decided to DQ Gomez.  The Maryland wrestler advanced.  I'm really surprised that Gomez even wrestled as he had little to gain and more to lose.  This DQ probably hurts his seeding even more.
It was a double leg takedown, lift and came down on his ribs. MD coach wanted to get into with Reader.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: mkm13 on March 04, 2023, 07:12:45 PM
Other than Gomez not performing as expected due to injury, the results are about as expected so far.

Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: bigoil on March 04, 2023, 07:17:23 PM
Quote from: mkm13 on March 04, 2023, 07:12:45 PMOther than Gomez not performing as expected due to injury, the results are about as expected so far.


Have to finish strong for that to be the case but yes. Zargo above seed is nice.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: stbird on March 04, 2023, 07:50:07 PM
What a joke!  Kid landed flat on his back.  No way he was hurt, but Med Forfeited his next match.  Coaches were looking at his wrapped knee.  Didn't have anything to do with it.  Very disappointed in Maryland!!!!

Quote from: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 05:16:58 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 05:14:24 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on March 04, 2023, 05:08:25 PMDQ?
I missed it. What happened to Gomez? Med Forfeit or something else?

Apparently, Gomez was first assessed a penalty for a hard mat return or mat slam and then after the Maryland wrestler was down for a while, they must have decided to DQ Gomez.  The Maryland wrestler advanced.  I'm really surprised that Gomez even wrestled as he had little to gain and more to lose.  I think as long as he wrestled one match he is considered a lock as an at-large, and this DQ probably hurts his seeding even more and I wonder if some might withhold voting for him as an at-large based on his conduct during this match.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: stbird on March 04, 2023, 07:52:09 PM
I don't understand why Amos can't score.  Beat by Foy and Smith?????
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BadgerOne on March 04, 2023, 08:32:10 PM
Dean Hamiti looked dominant in taking out Kharchla and was named outstanding wrestler today.  Way to go Dean!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 08:56:31 PM
Here's video of Gomez's slam

https://twitter.com/drewblogz/status/1632159721120489480?s=10
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: mike on March 04, 2023, 09:20:27 PM
Lots of "wisconsin" kids winning for other schools today.....somehow we need to eventually keep these kids in state. Can Bono do this? Every year "our" kids are getting better and better and keep continue to leave
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: No One Cares on March 04, 2023, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: mike on March 04, 2023, 09:20:27 PMLots of "wisconsin" kids winning for other schools today.....somehow we need to eventually keep these kids in state. Can Bono do this? Every year "our" kids are getting better and better and keep continue to leave

I have never heard this before on this forum.  Thank you for your service.  ::)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: mike on March 04, 2023, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: No One Cares on March 04, 2023, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: mike on March 04, 2023, 09:20:27 PMLots of "wisconsin" kids winning for other schools today.....somehow we need to eventually keep these kids in state. Can Bono do this? Every year "our" kids are getting better and better and keep continue to leave

I have never heard this before on this forum.  Thank you for your service.  ::)
No prob....truth 🙄
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BuckyMatt on March 04, 2023, 09:53:21 PM
Dang, tough day, no way around it..

That said;

Barnett can still outperform his seed if he wins out(seeded 4th, could get 3rd)
Lamont can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 10th, could get 9th)
Zargo will outperform his seed (seeded 11th, will wrestle for 7th)
Gomez will not wrestle to seed (seeded 2nd, if he wins out he will get 9th)
Model will not wrestle to seed (seeded 9th, if he wins out will get 11th)
Hamiti can still wrestle to his seed (1st)
Otto out and will not place
Dow can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 10th, could get 9th)
Amos can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 8th, could get 7th)
Hilger can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 5th, could get 3rd)

Let's hope for a good Sunday from our Badgers!!

Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 04, 2023, 10:06:21 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on March 04, 2023, 09:53:21 PMDang, tough day, no way around it..

That said;

Barnett can still outperform his seed if he wins out(seeded 4th, could get 3rd)
Lamont can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 10th, could get 9th)
Zargo will outperform his seed (seeded 11th, will wrestle for 7th)
Gomez will not wrestle to seed (seeded 2nd, if he wins out he will get 9th)
Model will not wrestle to seed (seeded 9th, if he wins out will get 11th)
Hamiti can still wrestle to his seed (1st)
Otto out and will not place
Dow can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 10th, could get 9th)
Amos can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 8th, could get 7th)
Hilger can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 5th, could get 3rd)

Let's hope for a good Sunday from our Badgers!!



Model can still wrestle to 9th. I believe they are calling that bracket and 11th place bracket because they will wrestle that one to 3rd because there are 10 allocations at 157 and I do not believe they will wrestle any of the other brackets to 3rd.

5 have wrestled into the NCAA's and they still have a shot to wrestle in 4 more. Zargo, Gomez and Dow need to go 2-0 and Model needs to win his first match and it does not matter if he wins the 9th place match.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: asdf on March 04, 2023, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: JAMMIN on March 04, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: FinalWord on March 04, 2023, 11:56:13 AMThe Badgers are really tearing it up today! I see 7-8 AA's in a couple weeks!!!

Are you matching the same matches that I am?  I don't see more than 3-4 AA from this team.

I think your sarcastic meter is broke.

Lets see if it is fixed:

Wait until NEXT YEAR, UW will leapfrog NW from 8th to 7th in the Big Ten, just you wait and see!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: bigoil on March 05, 2023, 05:21:14 AM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 04, 2023, 10:06:21 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on March 04, 2023, 09:53:21 PMDang, tough day, no way around it..

That said;

Barnett can still outperform his seed if he wins out(seeded 4th, could get 3rd)
Lamont can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 10th, could get 9th)
Zargo will outperform his seed (seeded 11th, will wrestle for 7th)
Gomez will not wrestle to seed (seeded 2nd, if he wins out he will get 9th)
Model will not wrestle to seed (seeded 9th, if he wins out will get 11th)
Hamiti can still wrestle to his seed (1st)
Otto out and will not place
Dow can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 10th, could get 9th)
Amos can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 8th, could get 7th)
Hilger can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 5th, could get 3rd)

Let's hope for a good Sunday from our Badgers!!



Model can still wrestle to 9th. I believe they are calling that bracket and 11th place bracket because they will wrestle that one to 3rd because there are 10 allocations at 157 and I do not believe they will wrestle any of the other brackets to 3rd.

5 have wrestled into the NCAA's and they still have a shot to wrestle in 4 more. Zargo, Gomez and Dow need to go 2-0 and Model needs to win his first match and it does not matter if he wins the 9th place match.
Lamont not zargo
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: BuckyMatt on March 05, 2023, 07:20:03 AM
Quote from: asdf on March 04, 2023, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: JAMMIN on March 04, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: FinalWord on March 04, 2023, 11:56:13 AMThe Badgers are really tearing it up today! I see 7-8 AA's in a couple weeks!!!

Are you matching the same matches that I am?  I don't see more than 3-4 AA from this team.


I think your sarcastic meter is broke.

Lets see if it is fixed:

Wait until NEXT YEAR, UW will leapfrog NW from 8th to 7th in the Big Ten, just you wait and see!

No one is happy with the current placement. I guarantee the Coaches aren't.
I don't want to wait til next year (the Davis regime anthem). The tournament isn't over yet, we can still find positives.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: head57 on March 05, 2023, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 08:56:31 PMHere's video of Gomez's slam

https://twitter.com/drewblogz/status/1632159721120489480?s=10

Ya, that's a slam. Gomez has both feet in the air. Pile driver style.

Frustration played into it, I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 05, 2023, 09:37:10 AM
Looks like wrestling begins at 12:00 CST today.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: mkm13 on March 05, 2023, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on March 05, 2023, 07:20:03 AM
Quote from: asdf on March 04, 2023, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: JAMMIN on March 04, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: FinalWord on March 04, 2023, 11:56:13 AMThe Badgers are really tearing it up today! I see 7-8 AA's in a couple weeks!!!

Are you matching the same matches that I am?  I don't see more than 3-4 AA from this team.


I think your sarcastic meter is broke.

Lets see if it is fixed:

Wait until NEXT YEAR, UW will leapfrog NW from 8th to 7th in the Big Ten, just you wait and see!

No one is happy with the current placement. I guarantee the Coaches aren't.
I don't want to wait til next year (the Davis regime anthem). The tournament isn't over yet, we can still find positives.

Other than Gomez, the results are for the most part as expected. The top teams in the big 10 have more talent overall.  If we are going to expect to compete with the top teams (PSU, Iowa, OSU, etc), we will have to start recruiting like them.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 05, 2023, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: bigoil on March 05, 2023, 05:21:14 AM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 04, 2023, 10:06:21 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on March 04, 2023, 09:53:21 PMDang, tough day, no way around it..

That said;

Barnett can still outperform his seed if he wins out(seeded 4th, could get 3rd)
Lamont can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 10th, could get 9th)
Zargo will outperform his seed (seeded 11th, will wrestle for 7th)
Gomez will not wrestle to seed (seeded 2nd, if he wins out he will get 9th)
Model will not wrestle to seed (seeded 9th, if he wins out will get 11th)
Hamiti can still wrestle to his seed (1st)
Otto out and will not place
Dow can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 10th, could get 9th)
Amos can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 8th, could get 7th)
Hilger can still outperform his seed if he wins out (seeded 5th, could get 3rd)

Let's hope for a good Sunday from our Badgers!!



Model can still wrestle to 9th. I believe they are calling that bracket and 11th place bracket because they will wrestle that one to 3rd because there are 10 allocations at 157 and I do not believe they will wrestle any of the other brackets to 3rd.

5 have wrestled into the NCAA's and they still have a shot to wrestle in 4 more. Zargo, Gomez and Dow need to go 2-0 and Model needs to win his first match and it does not matter if he wins the 9th place match.
Lamont not zargo

Correct, clearly past my bedtime when I posted this last night!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: neutral on March 05, 2023, 10:51:02 AM
what time do things start today - nothing yet / TW ... and no info on schedule
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 05, 2023, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: neutral on March 05, 2023, 10:51:02 AMwhat time do things start today - nothing yet / TW ... and no info on schedule

12:00pm central
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: neutral on March 05, 2023, 11:06:47 AM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 05, 2023, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: neutral on March 05, 2023, 10:51:02 AMwhat time do things start today - nothing yet / TW ... and no info on schedule

12:00pm central

Thanks
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: No One Cares on March 05, 2023, 11:25:13 AM
Quote from: neutral on March 05, 2023, 10:51:02 AMwhat time do things start today - nothing yet / TW ... and no info on schedule

Noon CST
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: crossface21 on March 05, 2023, 11:39:39 AM
Gomez is out. Medical Default.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 11:45:00 AM
UW's 2022-23 season will be remembered as "Gomez - What If?"

It's clear he's not at "100 percent" whatever that means even in spite of a two-week layoff. He's been dealing with the same injury all season and it's affected his performance with the latest demonstration in the B1G meet and seems an injury that's going to require further medical treatment after the season to fully heal. Give him credit for trying to fight through it but you can see how frustrating it is for all parties involved.  You can game out all the What Ifs he's fully healthy, how that would have boosted UW in the standings along with all the Badgers would have won this season if that were true.

But if it's any consolation, this weekend simply joins a long, long list of woulda, coulda, shouldas, when it comes to the UW wrestling program. I mean, it's only been three years since Wick didn't even compete in 2020 B1G meet due to illness (we presume) when UW had a shot of top five finish and there's a lot more beyond that of Badger wrestlers just not getting the job done in B1G or NCAA tournaments for whatever reason no matter who the fricken coach is so he shouldn't feel alone in that regard. All the pieces never in one place at the same time. It's basically the program's motto
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 05, 2023, 11:54:56 AM
Joe Zargo wins his 7th place match - Jake Bergeland med forfeits
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: onwisconsin on March 05, 2023, 12:22:56 PM
Quote from: stbird on March 04, 2023, 07:52:09 PMI don't understand why Amos can't score.  Beat by Foy and Smith?????

His shot frequency is way better than last season. Just struggles finishing. I see progress, but would love to see tons more.  He loses too many close matches. Even more evident is he loses too many matches in the last 30 seconds of the 3rd.

Still not sure 197 is his ideal weight.  Love the kid though. Want nothing but the best for him.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 05, 2023, 12:30:16 PM
Lamont and Model won their matches in the 9th place brackets.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Troy Grindle on March 05, 2023, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: onwisconsin on March 05, 2023, 12:22:56 PM
Quote from: stbird on March 04, 2023, 07:52:09 PMI don't understand why Amos can't score.  Beat by Foy and Smith?????

His shot frequency is way better than last season. Just struggles finishing. I see progress, but would love to see tons more.  He loses too many close matches. Even more evident is he loses too many matches in the last 30 seconds of the 3rd.

Still not sure 197 is his ideal weight.  Love the kid though. Want nothing but the best for him.

What would his other weight be?  285?  The spot will open up next year but he will need to weigh at least 235 to be competitive.  Look at how big, athletic and quick all of the big ten 285s are.  The top guys range from I bet 240-260.  I think Hilger is around 240 and he looks slightly smaller than most of the guys he wrestles.  Can Amos put on 40 lbs of muscle/mass in a year?  I don't see it on his frame.  NCAA needs a 220 class for guys just like him and all the other 195 and still growing and 220 lb high school wrestlers.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 05, 2023, 12:36:48 PM
Model should be qualified for the NCAAs now - 10 qualifiers at that weight.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: onwisconsin on March 05, 2023, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: Troy Grindle on March 05, 2023, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: onwisconsin on March 05, 2023, 12:22:56 PM
Quote from: stbird on March 04, 2023, 07:52:09 PMI don't understand why Amos can't score.  Beat by Foy and Smith?????

His shot frequency is way better than last season. Just struggles finishing. I see progress, but would love to see tons more.  He loses too many close matches. Even more evident is he loses too many matches in the last 30 seconds of the 3rd.

Still not sure 197 is his ideal weight.  Love the kid though. Want nothing but the best for him.

What would his other weight be?  285?  The spot will open up next year but he will need to weigh at least 235 to be competitive.  Look at how big, athletic and quick all of the big ten 285s are.  The top guys range from I bet 240-260.  I think Hilger is around 240 and he looks slightly smaller than most of the guys he wrestles.  Can Amos put on 40 lbs of muscle/mass in a year?  I don't see it on his frame.  NCAA needs a 220 class for guys just like him and all the other 195 and still growing and 220 lb high school wrestlers.

Unfortunately I don't think there is an ideal NCAA weight for him.  I think his international weight is most suited for him to be at his peak (97 kg or 214 pounds).  I truly hope I am wrong.  I see definite growth from last year, but he still doesn't seem to be the same guy vs. when I see him wrestle international styles.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 05, 2023, 01:06:15 PM
Big Ten Conference Allocations (correct?)

125 - 9   
133 - 9
141 - 9
149 - 9   
157 - 10   
165 - 8
174 - 7
184 - 9
197 - 9
285 - 9

As of 1:05pm CST these are the UW Qualifiers (correct?)

Eric Barnett - 125
Joe Zargo - 141
Garrett Model - 157
Dean Hamiti - 165
Braxton Amos - 197 
Trent Hillger - 285
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 05, 2023, 01:07:35 PM
Garrett Model is heading to Tulsa!

https://twitter.com/BadgerWrestling/status/1632455137540165635
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: bigoil on March 05, 2023, 01:13:36 PM
Hilger is 260+ per interviews. He was more like 230 last year, maybe even 225.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: crossface21 on March 05, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: TomM on March 05, 2023, 01:06:15 PMBig Ten Conference Allocations (correct?)

125 - 9   
133 - 9
141 - 9
149 - 9   
157 - 10   
165 - 8
174 - 7
184 - 9
197 - 9
285 - 9

As of 1:05pm CST these are the UW Qualifiers (correct?)

Eric Barnett - 125
Joe Zargo - 141
Garrett Model - 157
Dean Hamiti - 165
Braxton Amos - 197 
Trent Hillger - 285

And then if LaMont wins, he's in. And assuming Gomez is healthy enough to compete, he'd likely get one of the wild cards at 149?
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 05, 2023, 02:31:10 PM
Good job Braxton !!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 05, 2023, 02:43:23 PM
You bet Taylor Lamont!!
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 05, 2023, 02:44:42 PM
As of 2:43pm CST UW Qualifiers (correct?)

Eric Barnett - 125
Taylor Lamont - 133
Joe Zargo - 141
(Gomez ONLY if he gets a Wild Card)
??? Garrett Model - 157
Dean Hamiti - 165
Braxton Amos - 197
Trent Hillger - 285
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 02:45:29 PM
Congrats to Taylor Lamont for winning the ninth place match and qualifying for the NCAAs!

Oh and Kyle Burwick? 0-3 in the B1G meet. Seems like there was a lot of commotion for nothing. But I'm sure UW's recruiting in North Dakota will suffer.  ::)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 05, 2023, 02:54:26 PM
Model defaults the 11th place match.
What does that mean for qualifying?
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: walden_hiker on March 05, 2023, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 02:45:29 PMCongrats to Taylor Lamont for winning the ninth place match and qualifying for the NCAAs!

Oh and Kyle Burwick? 0-3 in the B1G meet. Seems like there was a lot of commotion for nothing. But I'm sure UW's recruiting in North Dakota will suffer.  ::)

I'm not going to rip on a college kid, but I am sure Nebraska will be recruiting over Burwick to try and upgrade a weight that did not qualify for NCAA. Again a lot of commotion over nothing.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: bigoil on March 05, 2023, 03:03:07 PM
Quote from: TomM on March 05, 2023, 02:54:26 PMModel defaults the 11th place match.
What does that mean for qualifying?
He took 10th
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 05, 2023, 03:08:12 PM
Quote from: bigoil on March 05, 2023, 03:03:07 PM
Quote from: TomM on March 05, 2023, 02:54:26 PMModel defaults the 11th place match.
What does that mean for qualifying?
He took 10th

Model defaulted the 9th place match
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on March 05, 2023, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 02:45:29 PMCongrats to Taylor Lamont for winning the ninth place match and qualifying for the NCAAs!

Oh and Kyle Burwick? 0-3 in the B1G meet. Seems like there was a lot of commotion for nothing. But I'm sure UW's recruiting in North Dakota will suffer.  ::)

I'm not going to rip on a college kid, but I am sure Nebraska will be recruiting over Burwick to try and upgrade a weight that did not qualify for NCAA. Again a lot of commotion over nothing.

But he and his fans and UNL had no problem ripping UW did they? And stir up a lot of crap that just turned out to be just a big distraction. Maybe next time they'll back up their big mouths with results.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: npope on March 05, 2023, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on March 05, 2023, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 02:45:29 PMCongrats to Taylor Lamont for winning the ninth place match and qualifying for the NCAAs!

Oh and Kyle Burwick? 0-3 in the B1G meet. Seems like there was a lot of commotion for nothing. But I'm sure UW's recruiting in North Dakota will suffer.  ::)

I'm not going to rip on a college kid, but I am sure Nebraska will be recruiting over Burwick to try and upgrade a weight that did not qualify for NCAA. Again a lot of commotion over nothing.

But he and his fans and UNL had no problem ripping UW did they? And stir up a lot of crap that just turned out to be just a big distraction. Maybe next time they'll back up their big mouths with results.

There are times in life to be deliberately bigger than "small" people. This is one of them.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: onwisconsin on March 05, 2023, 03:35:41 PM
Quote from: npope on March 05, 2023, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on March 05, 2023, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 02:45:29 PMCongrats to Taylor Lamont for winning the ninth place match and qualifying for the NCAAs!

Oh and Kyle Burwick? 0-3 in the B1G meet. Seems like there was a lot of commotion for nothing. But I'm sure UW's recruiting in North Dakota will suffer.  ::)

I'm not going to rip on a college kid, but I am sure Nebraska will be recruiting over Burwick to try and upgrade a weight that did not qualify for NCAA. Again a lot of commotion over nothing.

But he and his fans and UNL had no problem ripping UW did they? And stir up a lot of crap that just turned out to be just a big distraction. Maybe next time they'll back up their big mouths with results.

There are times in life to be deliberately bigger than "small" people. This is one of them.

Exactly.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: bigoil on March 05, 2023, 03:56:20 PM
I love that Amos and Barnett avenged losses, and to MN doesn't hurt :)
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: onwisconsin on March 05, 2023, 04:03:19 PM
Barnett and McKee is always must watch.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 05, 2023, 04:14:54 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 05, 2023, 03:08:12 PM
Quote from: bigoil on March 05, 2023, 03:03:07 PM
Quote from: TomM on March 05, 2023, 02:54:26 PMModel defaults the 11th place match.
What does that mean for qualifying?
He took 10th
Model defaulted the 9th place match
OK, Thanks. The online brackets were confusing to me. (D'OH) ...
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 05, 2023, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 08:56:31 PMHere's video of Gomez's slam

https://twitter.com/drewblogz/status/1632159721120489480?s=10

thanks for sharing that. I see why the call, he left his feet and I think that is part of the rule. Stinks because he even rolled the shoulder away to not slam the shoulder into the guy.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 05, 2023, 05:09:37 PM
Congratulations Dean H - Big Ten Champion
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 05:10:16 PM
Big congrats to Dean Hamiti, your 2023 165-pound B1G Champion!

Great ride in the third period.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Harris on March 05, 2023, 05:14:11 PM
That was awesome. 
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: npope on March 05, 2023, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on March 05, 2023, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 02:45:29 PMCongrats to Taylor Lamont for winning the ninth place match and qualifying for the NCAAs!

Oh and Kyle Burwick? 0-3 in the B1G meet. Seems like there was a lot of commotion for nothing. But I'm sure UW's recruiting in North Dakota will suffer.  ::)

I'm not going to rip on a college kid, but I am sure Nebraska will be recruiting over Burwick to try and upgrade a weight that did not qualify for NCAA. Again a lot of commotion over nothing.

But he and his fans and UNL had no problem ripping UW did they? And stir up a lot of crap that just turned out to be just a big distraction. Maybe next time they'll back up their big mouths with results.

There are times in life to be deliberately bigger than "small" people. This is one of them.

If you think I'm trash talking, I'm not. If certain people are going to engage in smear campaign against the UW program and trying to throw mud on the coaching staff and the school with the assumption that "you'll regret what you're missing" then they deserved to be called out in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: wrestlemania on March 05, 2023, 05:18:16 PM
Haines win along with Hamiti's pretty much clinches it for Penn State
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: onwisconsin on March 05, 2023, 07:20:46 PM
DJ was phenomenal this weekend.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 05, 2023, 07:32:48 PM
Big 10 Conference - March 4-5
125 (8) - Spencer Lee (Iowa), Patrick McKee (Minnesota), Michael DeAugustino (Northwestern), Liam Cronin (Nebraska), Jack Medley (Michigan), Matt Ramos (Purdue), Eric Barnett (Wisconsin), Dean Peterson (Rutgers)

133 (9) - Roman Bravo-Young (Penn State), Dylan Ragusin (Michigan), Aaron Nagao (Minnesota), Jesse Mendez (Ohio State), Joe Heilmann (Rutgers), Lucas Byrd (Illinois), Chris Cannon (Northwestern), Brody Teske (Iowa), Taylor LaMont (Wisconsin)

141 (9) - Real Woods (Iowa), Frankie Tal-Shahar (Northwestern), Beau Bartlett (Penn State), Brock Hardy (Nebraska), Dylan D'Emilio (Ohio State), Joe Zargo (Wisconsin), Jake Bergeland (Minnesota), Parker Filius (Purdue), Kal Miller (Maryland)

149 (9) - Sammy Sasso (Ohio State), Max Murin (Iowa), Michael Blockhus (Minnesota), Graham Rooks (Indiana), Ethen Maryland (Maryland), Yahya Thomas (Northwestern), Shayne Van Ness (Penn State), Chance Lamer (Michigan), Anthony White (Rutgers)

157 (10) - Peyton Robb (Nebraska), Chase Saldate (Michigan State), Kendall Coleman (Purdue), Levi Haines (Penn State), Derek Gilcher (Indiana), Will Lewan (Michigan), Cobe Siebrech (Iowa), Trevor Chumbley (Northwestern), Andrew Clark (Rutgers), Garrett Model (Wisconsin)

165 (8) - Dean Hamiti (Wisconsin), Carson Kharchla (Ohio State), Patrick Kennedy (Iowa), Cam Amine (Michigan), Dan Braunagel (Illinois), Maxx Mayfield (Northwestern), Alex Facundo (Penn State), Bubba Wilson (Nebraska)

174 (7) - Carter Starocci (Penn State), Bailee O'Reilly (Minnesota), Ethan Smith (Ohio State), Mikey Labriola (Nebraska), Nelson Brands (Iowa), Edmond Ruth (Illinois), Jackson Turley (Rutgers)

184 (9) - Aaron Brooks (Penn State), Mitch Finesilver (Michigan), Isaiah Salazar (Minnesota), Kaleb Romero (Ohio State), Lenny Pinto (Nebraska), Layne Malczewski (Michigan State), Abe Assad (Iowa), Brian Soldano (Rutgers), Dylan Connell (Illinois)

197 (9) - Max Dean (Penn State), Jacob Warner (Iowa), Zac Braunagel (Illinois), Silas Allred (Nebraska), Braxton Amos (Wisconsin), Jaxon Smith (Maryland), Cam Caffey (Michigan State), Michial Foy (Minnesota), Andrew Davison (Northwestern)

285 (9) - Mason Parris (Michigan), Trent Hillger (Wisconsin), Tony Cassioppi (Iowa), Greg Kerkvliet (Penn State), Tate Orndorff (Ohio State), Boone McDermott (Rutgers), Lucas Davison (Northwestern), Hayden Copass (Purdue), Jacob Bullock (Indiana)

87 Total Allocations
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: CLC FAN on March 05, 2023, 07:51:54 PM
I know there's a lot of understandable grumbling about the need to keep the best WI talent in WI.  But if I perused that list correctly, two of those 87 athletes were WIAA wrestlers and they both qualified in Badger singlets.

It's interesting that a lot of the success WI high school kids seem to have comes outside the Big Ten.  I think of Mizz a lot right now but Keckeisen at UNI... Buchanen at Wyoming... Dieringer at OK State... Monk at South(North?) Dakota State... I'm positive that I'm missing others.  The Big Ten is such a grind, you gotta respect all the guys who go that route, but I wonder if some of the desire to leave the state to wrestle involves competing somewhere other than the Big Ten
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: 1Iota on March 05, 2023, 09:17:34 PM
Quote from: CLC FAN on March 05, 2023, 07:51:54 PMI know there's a lot of understandable grumbling about the need to keep the best WI talent in WI.  But if I perused that list correctly, two of those 87 athletes were WIAA wrestlers and they both qualified in Badger singlets.

It's interesting that a lot of the success WI high school kids seem to have comes outside the Big Ten.  I think of Mizz a lot right now but Keckeisen at UNI... Buchanen at Wyoming... Dieringer at OK State... Monk at South(North?) Dakota State... I'm positive that I'm missing others.  The Big Ten is such a grind, you gotta respect all the guys who go that route, but I wonder if some of the desire to leave the state to wrestle involves competing somewhere other than the Big Ten

I don't know. I am watching the Big 12 tournament and you have a marque matchup involving a Wisconsin native, and the arena is empty.  If I'm a top recruit, I would much rather wrestle in the Big Ten. 
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: GoodGod on March 05, 2023, 09:21:42 PM
I've been saying this for years and its a theory I truly believe in... there is a big difference between a Division 1 wrestler and a Big 10 wrestler. Every case is different but not everyone that has success at the D1 level could do the same with the grind of the Big 10 schedule. Call it an opinion but there are a lot of facts to back it up.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: whatever on March 05, 2023, 10:24:24 PM
I totally agree that the Big Ten is a different animal.  It's a meat grinder....very similar to the SEC in football as far as talent that is way ahead of the rest of the country.

It would make sense that some WI kids might look outside the Big Ten to compete at the D1 level. 
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: 1Iota on March 05, 2023, 10:41:32 PM
Quote from: whatever on March 05, 2023, 10:24:24 PMI totally agree that the Big Ten is a different animal.  It's a meat grinder....very similar to the SEC in football as far as talent that is way ahead of the rest of the country.

It would make sense that some WI kids might look outside the Big Ten to compete at the D1 level. 

Why if you want to be the best would you leave the best?  That is why the SEC dominates.  Those kids want to play at the highest level.  It doesn't seem to hurt the Penn St and Iowa wrestlers that they have to compete at the highest level. 
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: TomM on March 05, 2023, 11:13:34 PM
There are easier paths, and some take them.
You have a better chance of making the NCAA tournament from outside of the Big 10.
Then, once there, let the dice roll.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Vir Fortis on March 05, 2023, 11:55:49 PM
Quote from: 1Iota on March 05, 2023, 10:41:32 PM
Quote from: whatever on March 05, 2023, 10:24:24 PMI totally agree that the Big Ten is a different animal.  It's a meat grinder....very similar to the SEC in football as far as talent that is way ahead of the rest of the country.

It would make sense that some WI kids might look outside the Big Ten to compete at the D1 level. 

Why if you want to be the best would you leave the best?  That is why the SEC dominates.  Those kids want to play at the highest level.  It doesn't seem to hurt the Penn St and Iowa wrestlers that they have to compete at the highest level. 

The 2022 Iowa team suggests it may. You can get hurt Wrestling anyone...but B1G Wrestlers seem to get beat up a bit more.
Title: Re: 2023 Big Ten Wrestling Championships & Brackets
Post by: Vir Fortis on March 06, 2023, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: crossface21 on March 04, 2023, 08:56:31 PMHere's video of Gomez's slam

https://twitter.com/drewblogz/status/1632159721120489480?s=10

Ok...I get the slam call. Who was it that suggested he may not get an at-large bid due to his "conduct" during his match.

I mean, I'm not going to bother going back and looking as I suspect it's the same person who always comes up with these insanely bad takes, but that's absurd. Gomez was trying to plant him so he couldn't roll through.

I imagine he knocked the wind out of the Maryland kid pretty good. The Maryland kid should have wrestled unless he was injured, not hurt, but not my place to speculate between the two.

Rough break for Gomez. There was a time I was hoping he'd just be on the opposite side from Yianni and MAYBE he could pull off another big move in the finals, but with his injuries, I suspect his gas tank isn't quite on F and beating Yianni a second time was always a looong shot.

He looked like he was moving better in that Maryland match despite that less than 1% chance to wrestle. So hopefully with 2 more weeks, he's that much healthier.

Beyond that, Barnett, Hamiti and maybe Hillger could be AAs. Hillger looked good this weekend. Won't beat the top guys like Kerk, Cass or Parris(though, I believe he broke through and got a couple TDs on him...that's not nothing). Though it was disappointing to see him lose to Orndorff.