Interesting post on Twitter yesterday by Burwick:
https://twitter.com/realkyleburwick/status/1587494064223559687
Willie posted that it isn't the UW coaches holding it up. Burwick didn't follow the regulations and did transfer late, which is unfortunate for him.
If I'm understanding the tweet correctly, not only did Burwick first notify the coaching staff well after the deadline, but his decision to transfer was also after the May 1st deadline. I don't see how this is the UW coaches fault. Transferring isn't something new. Athletes need to take ownership for knowing the rules. Plus if I would think the UW coaching staff want all the wrestlers to stay on the team, including Burwick, so why would I as a coach promote the process to transfer out of the program? Now if Burwick told the coaches prior to the deadline that he was going to transfer, and then the coaches failed to help him through the process so that he didn't lose eligibility, then I can see an issue with that.
Like wrastle63 said, unfortunate for Burwick. This seems like it should be a grievance with the NCAA deadline. Going after the UW staff seems unfounded to me.
If Burwick's post is accurate, the news of Lamont coming in to the UW only broke after May 1 - the deadline for entering the portal without penalty which means that Burwick could either burn a year with a transfer or hang with the Badgers and compete for the spot. Also, I am not sure whether the decision to allow him to transfer without penalty is solely up to the Badger coaches - it might be (I don't know), but Burwick seemed a little out of his depth with other portal information he "should" have been more familiar with if he was transferring.
That said, if the coaches indeed have the power to grant release without penalty, I would hope that they do - the kid is just trying to do what is best for him and I think coaches should embrace that as a guiding principle.
I presume Ethan Rotondo entered the portal before May 1st?
For those that dont have twitter:
-Yes, Willie tweeted out that its not the coaches fault. He also tweeted right after that he said the same about Carter Young at NW last year and was wrong.
-Kyle and his father was since both tweeted out (and tagged Willie) since that the UW coaches did not inform kids that this May 1st timeline was a new rule this year. They say they have it in writing.
-Kyle and his father also tweeted out they also have in writing that UW supports Kyle being eligible this semester but continue to do nothing about it.
-Willie also tweeted out that UW AD will release statement today.
-I'd say the comment section of Kyle's original tweet is 60/40 Team Burwick vs. Team UW. Lots of big names chipping in, and story not going away.
-Only Burwick, UW and Coaches know the full story. Either way, this does not help future recruiting.
Just a bad deal here. I kind of blame Kyle for not looking up the rules. He also needs to take some responsibility for his career/actions/growth and so on. Rules are the rules here.
Maybe the coaches want Kyle as a room guy, sounds like they are giving him some support here. Though once an athletes wants to move on, kind of lost cause trying to keep him.
Best of luck to both sides on this one.
UW press release
https://twitter.com/BadgerWrestling/status/1587960695597027340/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/BadgerWrestling/status/1587960695597027340/photo/1)
Well looks like Burwick was wrong about UW Coaches, UW AD and all. It is up to the NCAA as UW supports his transfer.
-Per Kyle Burwick post later today:
"Additionally, in my NCAA waiver appeal case, UW has stated in writing that they support me being eligible and they had not informed the athletes. So, my statement is purely asking them to do the right thing. If they support my eligibility, this release form is the solution."
-His statement actually lines up with the vagueness of UW press release. All UW said was they support him wrestling this fall and it is in NCAA hands. They did not say they "took the appropriate steps for his release", or "followed the proper process to ensure Kyle ability to wrestle", etc. To me that the UW statement was very weak. All UW had to say was "we support him, and UW did the necessary steps to let him transfer." That second part was never said in the press release.
-On the flip side-Per Flo Transfer tracker, Ethan Rotondo applied to portal and announced transfer to Cal Poly on August 1st, 6 weeks after Burwick. Plenty others also went into the portal after Burwick. Point being plenty of athletes went into the portal after Burwick and are on rosters right now.
-lots of people seem to care more about whose at fault, but again the ramifications on recruiting are huge. Add North Dakota to yet another state Bono can't recuit. The Memes on Twiter by ND wrestle and others are posting are pretty brutal towards UW. Plus, Burwicks is a legend in the state and his father is a well respected coach.
Quote from: asdf on November 02, 2022, 10:34:29 PM-Per Kyle Burwick post later today:
"Additionally, in my NCAA waiver appeal case, UW has stated in writing that they support me being eligible and they had not informed the athletes. So, my statement is purely asking them to do the right thing. If they support my eligibility, this release form is the solution."
-His statement actually lines up with the vagueness of UW press release. All UW said was they support him wrestling this fall and it is in NCAA hands. They did not say they "took the appropriate steps for his release", or "followed the proper process to ensure Kyle ability to wrestle", etc. To me that the UW statement was very weak. All UW had to say was "we support him, and UW did the necessary steps to let him transfer." That second part was never said in the press release.
-On the flip side-Per Flo Transfer tracker, Ethan Rotondo applied to portal and announced transfer to Cal Poly on August 1st, 6 weeks after Burwick. Plenty others also went into the portal after Burwick. Point being plenty of athletes went into the portal after Burwick and are on rosters right now.
-lots of people seem to care more about whose at fault, but again the ramifications on recruiting are huge. Add North Dakota to yet another state Bono can't recuit. The Memes on Twiter by ND wrestle and others are posting are pretty brutal towards UW. Plus, Burwicks is a legend in the state and his father is a well respected coach.
How is this vague? "The decision to grant Kyle his eligibility for this season is in the hands of the NCAA."
What other alleged state can't UW recruit?
Quote from: bigoil on November 03, 2022, 01:06:18 AMHow is this vague? "The decision to grant Kyle his eligibility for this season is in the hands of the NCAA."
What other alleged state can't UW recruit?
It's a bit vague to me, as well. "We support Burwick's wish to compete" and "We released him from any and all obligations to the UW so that he can compete" are not the same statement. This easily could have been the statement - but it wasn't...and I am sure that statement was passed in front of legal counsel before being released to the press.
That said, I don't know the minutia associated with the portal and releases, etc., but the UW's post leaves a lot to be desired in terms of removing ambiguity. The final decision as to whether Burwick can compete for someone else has ALWAYS been in the hands of the NCAA - they could override anything the UW may have done or not done - the UW post is just stating the obvious.
It is my understanding in the new transfer portal age, the student athlete has a lot of power and say in what that do. They don't even have to let the coach know when/if they enter the portal. There is no release required from the original institution. Clearly the NCAA has rules and Kyle did not know them plus why didn't Nebraska let him know when they initially talked, that it was after May 1st and there are NCAA rules that may prevent you from wrestling this year?? Didn't UW have a similar issue with a Volleyball player who transferred in and Coach Sheffield stated he was frustrated with the NCAA for not releasing her at the start of the season?
Nothing against Kyle, but this is a guy that has had a losing record both years as a starter and has a total of a couple points at NCAA's after 3 years in the program. I can't see why UW or the coaches would prevent him from transferring to the point of being a recruiting headache. It makes no sense.
Quote from: asdf on November 02, 2022, 10:34:29 PM-Per Kyle Burwick post later today:
"Additionally, in my NCAA waiver appeal case, UW has stated in writing that they support me being eligible and they had not informed the athletes. So, my statement is purely asking them to do the right thing. If they support my eligibility, this release form is the solution."
-His statement actually lines up with the vagueness of UW press release. All UW said was they support him wrestling this fall and it is in NCAA hands. They did not say they "took the appropriate steps for his release", or "followed the proper process to ensure Kyle ability to wrestle", etc. To me that the UW statement was very weak. All UW had to say was "we support him, and UW did the necessary steps to let him transfer." That second part was never said in the press release.
-On the flip side-Per Flo Transfer tracker, Ethan Rotondo applied to portal and announced transfer to Cal Poly on August 1st, 6 weeks after Burwick. Plenty others also went into the portal after Burwick. Point being plenty of athletes went into the portal after Burwick and are on rosters right now.
-lots of people seem to care more about whose at fault, but again the ramifications on recruiting are huge. Add North Dakota to yet another state Bono can't recuit. The Memes on Twiter by ND wrestle and others are posting are pretty brutal towards UW. Plus, Burwicks is a legend in the state and his father is a well respected coach.
Why would the University and the Coaches do something that would hurt recruiting??
The answer is they wouldn't. They've done everything they can to help Kyle and it's in the NCAA's hands per the press release. He needed to be in the portal by 5/1 and he wasn't.
In regards to Rotundo, he was a Graduate Transfer and they can transfer whenever they want. Burwick was an undergraduate.
I truly hope Kyle gets to wrestle this year, he's a good kid!
::) Wrestling is very small community. When things like this come up I can't see it as a good thing.
Ugh...it is so funny to watch grown men try and make something out of nothing with limited information and even acknowledging they don't know the whole story. But I guess that is where I society has gotten to...read stuff on social media and think they have a full transcript of what exactly happened. ::) ::)
People are better off, and would be more respected if they just came out and said they don't like Bono and/or UW wrestling, then try and conjure up fake scenarios to paint a negative picture towards him. And this is coming from a guy who isn't necessarily a fan of Bono.
Quote from: mkm13 on November 03, 2022, 06:58:41 AMNothing against Kyle, but this is a guy that has had a losing record both years as a starter and has a total of a couple points at NCAA's after 3 years in the program. I can't see why UW or the coaches would prevent him from transferring to the point of being a recruiting headache. It makes no sense.
This is an excellent point. Why would the coaches and administration create all this bad press and bad blood over a spot in the lineup where they were clearly trying to upgrade. Does not add up. Occam's razor.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on November 03, 2022, 09:51:07 AMQuote from: mkm13 on November 03, 2022, 06:58:41 AMNothing against Kyle, but this is a guy that has had a losing record both years as a starter and has a total of a couple points at NCAA's after 3 years in the program. I can't see why UW or the coaches would prevent him from transferring to the point of being a recruiting headache. It makes no sense.
This is an excellent point. Why would the coaches and administration create all this bad press and bad blood over a spot in the lineup where they were clearly trying to upgrade. Does not add up. Occam's razor.
Because they wouldn't, literally saying it is in the hands of the NCAA. That is not vague, if it were vague, the ncaa would respond don't throw us under the bud, we are waiting for your support. They have clearly acknowledged their support, even acknowledged by KB.
This idiotic for anyone to think UW is holding this up and I think it is in very poor taste that Burwicks are blaming UW.
UW has fought with the NCAA on transfers in and knows the process. They know the NCAA is always an issue.
Burwicks have no clue what is going on and are frustrated. Everyone gets that but then you just lose fans and looks like idiots when you think UW can somehow have magic powers to make him eligible and thus call UW out on social media.
Good kid probably and good family throwing a 2 year old tantrum out in public.
The NCAA has a TON of rules and their are no laws saying colleges have to help adults although they do try to go out of their way to help their athletes because they are so complicated and they want their athletes to be and stay eligible. With that said there is no way they are promoting all the rules on how to transfer. They won't stand in the way but complaining that they did not help him know the deadlines to transfer is lunacy!
Curious why the blame is going towards UW and not the NCAA?
And the other state Bono can't recruit in besides North Dakota, let me guess - Wisconsin, right?
While the UW may indeed be allowing KB to transfer without interference, with due respect to posters who might disagree, I do not see the UW's response to the Burwicks' statements as being clear, transparent and responsive. And let me say at the outset, the UW may indeed have acted with honor in this entire situation (I have no idea as to details). My point is that the UW's formal statement of response was vague and weak – they could do much better with the resources they have in house...which makes me suspicious of the content of the statement.
The Burwicks launched a scathing condemnation of the UW wrestling coaches and more broadly, the UW athletic program for their handling and timing for the recruiting of Lamont and subsequent informing of KB. The UW's formal response was a statement to the effect of "We wish KB well in his future athletic endeavors." Additionally, the UW's statement said that this matter is now in the hands of the NCAA. One poster also said that the Burwicks have subsequently stated something to the effect that they now better understand the situation (and realize that the UW was not the issue here). I have not been able to locate any such statement, but I would welcome the help of someone to educate me further as to the content of any such statement.
But In this day and age I think we all can be forgiven for being a bit jaded with these "formal" statements being made without challenge - our media personalities, politicians, and even sports heroes (see for example Aaron Rodgers) respond with well-calculated half-truths and insinuations to straightforward queries where, upon closer scrutiny of the response, we find deliberately misleading responses. So, why would a large public institution get a "free pass" when it makes unchallenged "statements of fact" when an aggrieved party claims otherwise?
In response to the Burwicks' scathing criticism of the athletic program in this matter, the UW's response was something to the effect of, "we wish KB well in his future athletic endeavors." Great, but that does not respond to the allegations made by the Burwicks that the UW was creating turbulence with the transfer. A more concrete response would have been, "The UW has released KB from any further obligations associated with the UW and we wish him well..." But that's not what they said – they said something else – something that fell short of complete explanation.
And indeed, the UW "literally" said that the matter is in the hands of the NCAA – and somehow some readers think that is new information. I am stunned with that conclusion. First of all, only one party to the issue is making the statement (which would likely deflect negative PR from that party) but also, that is stating the obvious – this has ALWAYS been in the hands of the NCAA – they can make all things happen (or not) in these situations. So, the announcement by the UW related to the Burwick situation, which I am certain was passed in front of legal counsel before being issued, stopped short of unequivocally stating that it has withdrawn all barriers to KB's transfer. Instead they merely said "we wish him well" – which was not a response to the Burwicks' allegations...and I wonder why the UW stopped short on a complete response? They could have put that baby to bed with a comprehensive response – but they didn't.
I don't find subsequent skepticism as to the actual implications of the statement to be "idiocy" at all, but rather, a well-contemplated and careful assessment as to what was actually stated.
There are always three sides to every story. Your side, my side and the truth.
To my knowledge NONE of us are privy to the information from all three sides.
Everyone always wants to put the blame on someone else. First thing Burwick should have done is stick around and beat out Lamont instead of running from competition. Bono's job is to create competition and if he can't handle that, he will never make it in D1 wrestling. Seems to be the way in all sports these days! Instead of fighting a little harder and putting in more work, they just look for the easy route!
The NCAA can make Burwick eligible for wrestling right now if they wanted to even if UW fought every step. Let's not pretend any institution has the kind of power any more. This is not a paperwork issue at UW. That kind of control does not exist anymore as the NCAA took all the power and set new rules
Many athletes have complained and called out the NCAA and rightfully so in my opinion. This is the first time I have seen an athlete make it personal and attack their past school which I don't think helps him in the least especially when the NCAA is there for the institutions and not the athletes.
The bad part is that the NCAA rules are much different for basketball and football than they are for all the other NCAA sports
Does Nebraska hold any responsibility in educating their transfers and making sure they are eligible?
Wisconsin wrestling signals support of Kyle Burwick's transfer to Nebraska but Burwick, Nebraska claim otherwise
https://www.dailycardinal.com/article/2022/11/wisconsin-wrestling-signals-support-of-kyle-burwicks-transfer-to-nebraska-burwick-nebraska-claim-otherwise
Wisconsin wrestling signals support of Kyle Burwick's transfer to Nebraska but Burwick, Nebraska claim otherwise
By Cole Wozniak
November 3, 2022 | 1:26pm CDT
Last June, Badger wrestler and redshirt sophomore Kyle Burwick announced he would be entering the transfer portal to leave the Wisconsin program. Earlier in May, Wisconsin signed Taylor LaMont, a sixth-year senior and former All-American who was expected to start at Burwick's weight class.
However, unbeknownst to Burwick, his entry into the transfer portal was over a month after the deadline of May 1 — meaning that Burwick would lose eligibility for the 2022-23 wrestling season.
Since then, Burwick has announced he will be transferring to Nebraska to wrestle for head coach Mark Manning. He is currently seeking a release from the University of Wisconsin-Madison athletic department to approve the transfer to Nebraska.
UW Athletics signaled in a statement on Twitter that their compliance staff has been working with Burwick and Nebraska to facilitate Kyle's ability to compete in Lincoln. They also announced that his eligibility for the 2022-23 season remained in the hands of the NCAA. Wisconsin head coach Chris Bono and other officials from UW have not made any other public statements regarding Burwick's transfer outside of this statement.
Still, Burwick and others close to the Nebraska program have taken to social media calling out UW's claims that they are supporting Burwick's transfer.
Burwick claims UW is not acting in good faith in the process of granting his eligibility. He said there is a release form that UW is knowingly delaying in signing.
Carrie Manning, wife of Nebraska's head coach Mark Manning, took to Facebook to claim that Wisconsin's press release was "smoke and mirrors" as they "refuse to sign the waiver" to allow Burwick to compete.
Quote from: STFM1 on November 04, 2022, 10:12:27 AMEveryone always wants to put the blame on someone else. First thing Burwick should have done is stick around and beat out Lamont instead of running from competition. Bono's job is to create competition and if he can't handle that, he will never make it in D1 wrestling. Seems to be the way in all sports these days! Instead of fighting a little harder and putting in more work, they just look for the easy route!
Exactly. The coaches looked for a transfer, because of lack of production(losing record last season). That would have given Burwick 1 year possibly on the bench or he could have moved up or down a weight. Lamont would be gone and Burwick still would have had 2 seasons of eligibility left and a full season training against Barnett, Lamont, Nicolar, Gross, Zargo, etc. Run from competition and then cry about how it isn't fair that you didn't follow the rules.
If the UW is indeed putting obstacles in the way I think that is a bad look for the department and the wrestling program - just let the kid go with your blessings - nothing to be gained here by making it difficult. And even if they aren't making it difficult, just having someone publicly say the UW isn't facilitating the departure is a black-eye for the program.
Quote from: npope on November 04, 2022, 11:53:06 AMIf the UW is indeed putting obstacles in the way I think that is a bad look for the department and the wrestling program - just let the kid go with your blessings - nothing to be gained here by making it difficult. And even if they aren't making it difficult, just having someone publicly say the UW isn't facilitating the departure is a black-eye for the program.
So if they did do something wrong it's a bad look and even if they didn't do anything wrong it's a black eye? Sounds like a lose-lose for the UW? And that is one of the perils of social media cancel culture. People can make claims and even without proof, you lose.
I'm curious why Kyle or Nebraska has not commented or replied to the Athletic Department press release? Oftentimes, when making a claim, you get a response from the other side, and then you make a rebuttal of said response. That has not been done here.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on November 04, 2022, 12:21:21 PMQuote from: npope on November 04, 2022, 11:53:06 AMIf the UW is indeed putting obstacles in the way I think that is a bad look for the department and the wrestling program - just let the kid go with your blessings - nothing to be gained here by making it difficult. And even if they aren't making it difficult, just having someone publicly say the UW isn't facilitating the departure is a black-eye for the program.
So if they did do something wrong it's a bad look and even if they didn't do anything wrong it's a black eye? Sounds like a lose-lose for the UW? And that is one of the perils of social media cancel culture. People can make claims and even without proof, you lose.
I'm curious why Kyle or Nebraska has not commented or replied to the Athletic Department press release? Oftentimes, when making a claim, you get a response from the other side, and then you make a rebuttal of said response. That has not been done here.
Well, first off, assuming the path is now clear for KB to make the transfer and retain his eligibility, I think much of the PR damage to the UW has already been done - more public commentary on the matter might simply be beating a dead horse. And while the NCAA has all of the power to make things happen, it would certainly help if the UW was in KB's corner the whole time encouraging the NCAA to do so. If the UW was slow in its support I would hope they learn a lesson from it going forward. But even now, as Tom alluded to, none of us know the whole story...but something sure has a little stink on it.
In his Twitter post, Burwick mentions that he didn't even get a chance to let the staff know until June 13th, which is 6 weeks after the deadline. While it shouldn't matter, it probably does. Hopefully it can get sorted out before too long, and he'll be able to wrestle.
Quote from: Ghetto on November 04, 2022, 12:45:54 PMIn his Twitter post, Burwick mentions that he didn't even get a chance to let the staff know until June 13th, which is 6 weeks after the deadline. While it shouldn't matter, it probably does. Hopefully it can get sorted out before too long, and he'll be able to wrestle.
He didn't get a chance? He said he was considering it after the NCAA tournament. That would be something you should discuss with your coaches or the athletic department about your options. Not wait 3 months to decide. I am sure he saw Bono, Reader, and Gross at some point before June 13th.
I just have a hard time believing in today's NCAA with students entering the transfer portal at such a blistering pace in all sports, that any athlete would not know when deadlines are for entering the portal.
Nat,
In their hands is not vague.
We have worked with Kyle and Nebraska for months and support his transfer is not vague.
They aren't going to write out every step that has been or hasn't been taken with all the dates. It is not our business.
Burwick was "one of their guys". "He had bought in". The only reason they won't sign the release form which is required at this point is because if Kyle wins or does better than Lamont it's a bad look on them.
Tim
Quote from: bigoil on November 04, 2022, 02:00:18 PMNat,
In their hands is not vague.
We have worked with Kyle and Nebraska for months and support his transfer is not vague.
They aren't going to write out every step that has been or hasn't been taken with all the dates. It is not our business.
The statement is not vague, but the fact is that while it has
always been in the hands of the NCAA, the institution's position on all of this might certainly carry some weight or bearing. So to say that, it's an NCAA issue (and none of our (UW's) business) is to suggest that the UW can only stand back and watch - which is not true. So that
is a misleading statement - the UW may indeed have some sway and/or influence over the NCAA decisions on the matter. No one is asking the UW to write out a treatise on the topic - it was a simple release that stopped short in its response. A statement to the effect of "We have worked with Kyle and Nebraska for months..." in the original release (although the Burwicks might disagree with that sentiment) the UW made would have gone a long way toward convincing a reader that the UW is doing something more than just wishing KB well in his future endeavors....but they didn't say that.
I think their statement is clear, they have done all the work necessary for the NCAA to approve, now wait for the process to play out. Both sides acknowledge that UW supports the move.
Seems clear to me.
Quote from: Tims on November 04, 2022, 02:24:52 PMBurwick was "one of their guys". "He had bought in". The only reason they won't sign the release form which is required at this point is because if Kyle wins or does better than Lamont it's a bad look on them.
Tim
It is in the NCAA hands. Which means UW, which would include the coaching staff, have done everything required. Do you really think the UW would allow a coach to hold a student athlete hostage because they don't want to be showed up? There is ZERO chance of that, get real Tim.
Quote from: bigoil on November 04, 2022, 03:04:01 PMI think their statement is clear, they have done all the work necessary for the NCAA to approve, now wait for the process to play out. Both sides acknowledge that UW supports the move.
Seems clear to me.
Well, I guess I am a bit more cynical than you, bigoil. Hope to see KB on the mat this winter - I think we can agree on that.
Do I believe they would keep him from competing against them from another Big ten School? Yes! Is that real enough for you? Let's not pretend this was not common practice even before the portal. The portal just took an element of control away from the coaches. The deadline is what is burning Burwick as it brought the Power of the Release form back into the equation.
Then what you think you know about Bono is completely wrong. He would not back down and instead would relish the challenge.
Regardless of that, there is no way the athletic department would allow that to happen, especially given some unpopular decisions, they have faced recently in basketball and volleyball.
Quote from: bigoil on November 04, 2022, 03:04:01 PMI think their statement is clear, they have done all the work necessary for the NCAA to approve, now wait for the process to play out. Both sides acknowledge that UW supports the move.
Seems clear to me.
No where in the UW press release does it state anything close to "they have done all the work necessary for the NCAA to approve" A few sentences of "UW supports him and has worked with him" is nothing near to what you wrote/believe. That's the purposefully vagueness that is fishy to me.
-Burwick says he has in writing from UW that UW erred in not providing proper dates per NCAA. UW release says nothing about his assertion.
-UW says they support him. Burwick says they aren't.
-UW says they have worked with him. Burwick says they haven't.
-UW says they support him. Burwick stated they have not filled out the release. UW release does address his statement.
-I would like to live in a belief system that every DI coach has a kids best interest at heart, even if they want to leave (and within conference). But I don't. I also would like to believe a 20 yr. old should be able to navigate the NCAA process. But I don't. Guess I'm jaded as well.
Quote from: asdf on November 04, 2022, 04:24:20 PMQuote from: bigoil on November 04, 2022, 03:04:01 PMI think their statement is clear, they have done all the work necessary for the NCAA to approve, now wait for the process to play out. Both sides acknowledge that UW supports the move.
Seems clear to me.
No where in the UW press release does it state anything close to "they have done all the work necessary for the NCAA to approve" A few sentences of "UW supports him and has worked with him" is nothing near to what you wrote/believe. That's the purposefully vagueness that is fishy to me.
-Burwick says he has in writing from UW that UW erred in not providing proper dates per NCAA. UW release says nothing about his assertion.
-UW says they support him. Burwick says they aren't.
-UW says they have worked with him. Burwick says they haven't.
-UW says they support him. Burwick stated they have not filled out the release. UW release does address his statement.
-I would like to live in a belief system that every DI coach has a kids best interest at heart, even if they want to leave (and within conference). But I don't. I also would like to believe a 20 yr. old should be able to navigate the NCAA process. But I don't. Guess I'm jaded as well.
Yes
UW agrees that they did not give him the proper dates. UW obviously admitted it and Burwick has said he has that in writing. That is good faith help already to try and sway NCAA. UW had no formal obligations to do so but are admitting it because they hope it might help Kyle. It is not like UW is admitting to any institutional failure.
UW athletic dept has been on the opposite side of this with athletes in multiple sports so do we really think they are going to try and hold up a transfer? Like I said before even if they wanted to the NCAA could overrule.
Years ago coaches could not prevent a transfer but would try to make sure they did not transfer within the conference. That does not exist anymore. Heck one of the Badgers best volleyball players played for Michigan St last year. Another volleyball player transferred from Baylor but had to sit out half the season for a rule that is completely different in football and basketball just because that is what the NCAA seems to do. If she was a basketball transfer she would not have had to sit out at all.
Athletes have all the rights now. Burwick obviously decided late to transfer and has no clue that all his issues are with the NCAA but the NCAA is a faceless organization. Burwick calling out UW is more about being pissed he got recruited over and not about some transfer issue within the UW athletic dept.
UW could actually out and say we will not help Burwick and we do not want him to transfer. If they did that it would not matter to Burwick because the NCAA could still allow it. UW really has no obligation to help him transfer other than provide his transcripts probably. No school has any control over any athlete that is enrolled at a different school.
Going through the NCAA takes time as it is an appeal process. This is because he missed the portal date. The Univ has stated they support him but have not signed the release form.
Quote from: DocWrestling on November 04, 2022, 05:17:55 PMUW agrees that they did not give him the proper dates. UW obviously admitted it and Burwick has said he has that in writing. That is good faith help already to try and sway NCAA. UW had no formal obligations to do so but are admitting it because they hope it might help Kyle. It is not like UW is admitting to any institutional failure.
UW athletic dept has been on the opposite side of this with athletes in multiple sports so do we really think they are going to try and hold up a transfer? Like I said before even if they wanted to the NCAA could overrule.
Years ago coaches could not prevent a transfer but would try to make sure they did not transfer within the conference. That does not exist anymore. Heck one of the Badgers best volleyball players played for Michigan St last year. Another volleyball player transferred from Baylor but had to sit out half the season for a rule that is completely different in football and basketball just because that is what the NCAA seems to do. If she was a basketball transfer she would not have had to sit out at all.
Athletes have all the rights now. Burwick obviously decided late to transfer and has no clue that all his issues are with the NCAA but the NCAA is a faceless organization. Burwick calling out UW is more about being pissed he got recruited over and not about some transfer issue within the UW athletic dept.
UW could actually out and say we will not help Burwick and we do not want him to transfer. If they did that it would not matter to Burwick because the NCAA could still allow it. UW really has no obligation to help him transfer other than provide his transcripts probably. No school has any control over any athlete that is enrolled at a different school.
+1
As I said before, there's always some BS around this program at this time of year. Thank God the season starts tomorrow!
"So that is a misleading statement - the UW may indeed have some sway and/or influence over the NCAA decisions on the matter."
No it doesn't and why the heck do you think that it does? The NCAA operates on its own timetable and makes its own decisions regardless of what institution believes otherwise and even if not I can't think of any school that has zero pull with the NCAA than Wisconsin based on past history.
"The Univ. has stated they support him but have not signed the release form."
You keep saying this but what do you have proof they have not? And even if they didn't, if the decision ultimately rests with the NCAA, then what does it matter if it's signed sealed and delivered if the NCAA still has to make a ruling on it one way or the other? If they say yes, then I imagine the release would be signed anyway.
This thing is so stupid! If Nebraska feels like it's getting screwed over then why haven't they made a big fuss about it hmm? What we have here is someone who got pissed they brought in a senior transfer for his weight class because he wasn't getting the job done and hope the competition would help him improve and yet he bolted. But for whatever reason he's angrier at the school that, you know, would like to improve its program to become championship caliber as we as fans have demanded it do, then the governing body that is ultimately holding this all up. Let me tell you all right now, championship programs, which we all wish UW to be, bring in transfers or recruit stud freshmen for competition in their wrestling room all the time. If that bothers you, then you probably shouldn't be a fan of college wrestling or any college sport for that matter period. Nobody forced him to transfer. That's a decision he made and has to live with.
It really gets tiring that a certain group of fans demands this and that from UW in wrestling and when they do try to compete in the same fashion as the top programs do, people start complaining about it. Again, it just goes to show what I said before that UW's program can't achieve championship status given how so many parties out there try to undermine it, even within the school. It's truly sad.
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Thank God the season starts tomorrow!
Best thing I have read on the whole thread!!!
I'm here in Jacksonville!
The UW Coaches are here.......
And I have a million dollar question.....is there really a "golden ticket release" form that the Coaches "sign" that releases a student athlete and allows them to compete immediately????
Kyle made a "claim" that the UW coaches were refusing to sign said form. He also claimed it was solely through this (Bono) decision that he couldnt wrestle.
Has anyone fact checked this??? Has anyone truly asked the NCAA "if coach signs said waiver, if it even "exists", can said wrestler compete?"
Or are we just taking a wrestler (and his families) interpretation of the rules and their agenda( and "waiver documents") for law?
I Believe they TOLD Kyle the NCAA rules regarding post 5/1 transfers before he transferred. I also believe there isn't a golden ticket release "waiver"
Unfortunately with social media as it is, you can make ANY claims you want and paint anyone you want in a bad light...
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Quote from: BuckyMatt on November 04, 2022, 09:55:48 PMI'm here in Jacksonville!
The UW Coaches are here.......
And I have a million dollar question.....is there really a "golden ticket release" form that the Coaches "sign" that releases a student athlete and allows them to compete immediately????
Kyle made a "claim" that the UW coaches were refusing to sign said form. He also claimed it was solely through this (Bono) decision that he couldnt wrestle.
Has anyone fact checked this??? Has anyone truly asked the NCAA "if coach signs said waiver, if it even "exists", can said wrestler compete?"
Or are we just taking a wrestler (and his families) interpretation of the rules and their agenda( and "waiver documents") for law?
I Believe they TOLD Kyle the NCAA rules regarding post 5/1 transfers before he transferred. I also believe there isn't a golden ticket release "waiver"
Unfortunately with social media as it is, you can make ANY claims you want and paint anyone you want in a bad light...
-Matt Deadman
608-770-3333
matt@mattdeadmanhomes.com
Again, I find it hard to believe that he didn't know the deadline for transferring. It's just happens too much to not know. These athletes talk. And he said he started considering it after NCAA's. That's 6 weeks of not talking to your coach about what you're going thru. With how tight these teams are, that almost seems like it's deliberate to not bring it up.
Maybe he's salty they brought in someone else. Maybe not. But I'll back up Bono bringing in as many guys that he think will improve the team even if it's going to replace a 2x NQ. How do you think the teams like Iowa and PSU stay on top? They have incredible depth. How great would it have been to have LaMont as your starter and if he goes down, you have a 2x NQ as his backup? That's how you build a NC contender.
I'm also highly skeptical that there is a magical release form that gives one school power to supersede any NCAA transfer regulation at this point in time. Institutions have long been stripped of much (any?) say in an individual's decision to transfer. Rightfully so. As has been said in here several times, the NCAA holds the power.
Social media is a beautiful thing (or not)...people sure like conspiracy theories and blaming people without facts.
A kid with a losing college record and his parents get their pride hurt because UW brings in a quality transfer at his weight (like all great programs do now) and they chose to go on social medial and try and blame someone or something for the pure fact that the person who came in as the transfer is just plain better. And the great thing about it is, Burwick can in fact transfer...but instead of sucking up his pride and waiting for the NCAA to do their thing, he and his parents take to social media...and some people on here take the bait...sad.
Quote from: STFM1 on November 04, 2022, 10:12:27 AMEveryone always wants to put the blame on someone else. First thing Burwick should have done is stick around and beat out Lamont instead of running from competition. Bono's job is to create competition and if he can't handle that, he will never make it in D1 wrestling. Seems to be the way in all sports these days! Instead of fighting a little harder and putting in more work, they just look for the easy route!
This is pretty easy to say, but when a program recruits over
Quote from: BuckyMatt on November 04, 2022, 12:21:21 PMQuote from: npope on November 04, 2022, 11:53:06 AMIf the UW is indeed putting obstacles in the way I think that is a bad look for the department and the wrestling program - just let the kid go with your blessings - nothing to be gained here by making it difficult. And even if they aren't making it difficult, just having someone publicly say the UW isn't facilitating the departure is a black-eye for the program.
So if they did do something wrong it's a bad look and even if they didn't do anything wrong it's a black eye? Sounds like a lose-lose for the UW? And that is one of the perils of social media cancel culture. People can make claims and even without proof, you lose.
I'm curious why Kyle or Nebraska has not commented or replied to the Athletic Department press release? Oftentimes, when making a claim, you get a response from the other side, and then you make a rebuttal of said response. That has not been done here.
I don't think he's wrong. IF UW has not signed a release and it trying to make this unnecessarily difficult then it's an awful look. I have no clue if that's happening.
That IS effectively what the Burwick's are arguing however and they did respond to the UW Press release.
Also...yes, this does give UW a black eye either way. A very justified one if they're doing anything to hold up the transfer based on a technicality and an unjustified one if they're just the victims of a kid who is blaming UW rather than the NCAA if it is indeed the case that they've done all they can to facilitate a transfer.
Either way, a very prominent Wrestling family is saying some very unflattering things about the program and that's not good. Fair or not, it's harmful.
I don't know what's happened or who's right. In the past, I believe they could have just signed a waiver and he'd be eligible. If that's changed and the NCAA is standing in the way, that's on them and I hope it's cleared up.
-The part I really don't like(given as most of us are ignorant about the particulars regarding who's at fault for him currently being ineligible at Nebraska) are the shots people are taking at him on this forum.
I understand he's taking shots, but his emotion is more understandable and justified. For whatever reason, his transfer is behind held up and he's not able to compete.
-The fans pointing out his failures while wrestling in the B1G or calling him out on not just sticking it out when they recruited over him(and they've got an absolute stud coming in behind him). He just wants to wrestle this year.
Probably best to reserve judgement until we can figure out what the inappropriate term06 is actually going on. IF for some...strange reason Bono and the staff or the AD dept is trying to hold things up for the Burwicks(Which would be genuinely baffling and seem to go against how they've handled transfers in the past) then they should get called out on that.
If that's NOT the case and if a post- 5/1 transfer has to go through the NCAA for approval, then I hope the Burwick's publicly apologize to UW.
Seems pretty straight forward. I hope he can wrestle and has success this year(though...not too much).
Flo did a whole segment on the Burwick transfer to Nebraska and eligibility issue today on Flo Radio Live. Ben Askren weighed in and thinks Wisconsin is being dishonest with their statement that they put out on the matter. The Flo group thinks Wisconsin could sign an NPO waiver and give Burwick immediate eligibility. Also, Bryan Smith and Mark Mannning have entered the fray on Twitter. Supposedly, per Pyles, Andy Hamilton is writing a big piece on this situation. This whole situation is not a good luck when it comes to recruiting and Bono and Wisconsin need to address this situation by signing the waiver or address all the points made by the other side.
Link to Flo piece: https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/10168119-nebraskas-burwick-stuck-in-eligibility-squabble-after-leaving-wisconsin
Earlier this week Bono tweeted out a portion of a NEW NCAA rule with a "look at this" type comment from Bono regarding the Burwick situation (with Bono not referencing Burwick's name). A portion of the NEW rule states timeframes that a transfer is not eligible to wrestle this year.
Nebraska Assistant Head Coach Bryan Snyder (Burroughs long-time coach and one of the most respected coaches in the nation), replied to Bono's tweet with the screenshot of the FULL rule basically validating Burwicks ability to wrestle this year....If Bono signs the NPO.
No reply yet from Bono to Snyder's assertion.
Willie Saylor also offering to get both Bono and Synder on podcast to clear the air.
UW Athletic Department already addressed it. Also, Snyder indicates IF twice in his tweet, If he is reading it correctly.
I read it and think burwick will be eligible second semester.
UW has stated it is in NCAA hands, if you somehow think Bono can trump the AD or NCAA, good luck with that.
Here's an excerpt from FLo article:
Burwick claimed he was never informed by Wisconsin officials about the transfer portal deadline. His initial request for immediate eligibility was denied by the NCAA on Oct. 7 and his case gained publicity with a Nov. 1 Twitter post that outlined his case.
The following evening, Wisconsin's athletic department issued a statement claiming that "Wisconsin Athletics supports current Nebraska student-athlete Kyle Burwick's desire to continue his collegiate wrestling career with immediate eligibility. The UW Athletics compliance staff and administration worked with Nebraska over the past several months to help facilitate Kyle's ability to participate. The decision to grant Kyle his eligibility for this season is in the hands of the NCAA."
"That statement they put out was the biggest fraud I've ever seen," Nebraska coach Mark Manning said. "It said they've worked with Nebraska for the past (several) months. They told my athletic director, Trev Alberts, and two other associate ADs 'No.' That's not working with them, that's us begging them to do the right thing. They're basically taking a year of eligibility away from (Burwick)."
Nebraska officials claim that Wisconsin has offered more resistance than support in Burwick's case. They question why the Badgers won't sign off on the waiver that would assure his immediate eligibility.
"We're perplexed," Manning said. "We're super surprised why, in this day and age when thousands of student-athletes enter the portal, why would you not release Kyle Burwick? Why would you (cost) him a year of eligibility when you admit you didn't educate the student-athletes of the May 1 transfer portal (deadline)? You never told Kyle Burwick, 'Hey, Kyle, we're recruiting Taylor LaMont. If you want to enter the portal, you've got to get in by May 1.'
"You already made your choice in your recruiting. You wanted Taylor LaMont. Everyone knows that. Kyle Burwick knows that. He's very honest with himself. He understands, 'Hey, they went another way. They didn't believe in me, so I'm going to go somewhere they do believe in me.' Why are you punishing him?"
Flowrestling reached out to Wisconsin officials for comment. The school's athletic department responded with another statement on Dec. 2: "We reiterate our support for Kyle's opportunity to compete and be immediately eligible. We have submitted the necessary paperwork, have cooperated with Nebraska and the NCAA and will have no further comment on the matter."
Wisconsin coach Chris Bono and Nebraska assistant Bryan Snyder weighed in Tuesday in a Twitter discussion about the NCAA's no participation opportunity waiver legislation.
If anyone wants to hear Nebraska's side as to why they are saying Wisconsin is being uncooperative, you can contact the AD, Trev Alberts, directly. His contact info is listed at this link: https://huskers.com/staff-directory/trev-alberts/1497 phone: (402) 472-3011, email: ad@huskers.com
Quote from: BadgerOne on December 16, 2022, 04:06:33 PMIf anyone wants to hear Nebraska's side as to why they are saying Wisconsin is being uncooperative, you can contact the AD, Trev Alberts, directly. His contact info is listed at this link: https://huskers.com/staff-directory/trev-alberts/1497 phone: (402) 472-3011, email: ad@huskers.com
Likewise, if anyone wants to hear Wisconsin's side as to why they are saying they have done everything they can and it is in the NCAA's hands, you can contact the AD, Chris Mcintosh, https://uwbadgers.com/staff-directory/chris-mcintosh/623 phone: 608-262-1866 , contactus@uwbadgers.com
Additionally, a link to the mentioned NPO waiver form from the NCAA website.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committees/d1/clr/D1CLR_NoParticipationOpportunityForm.pdf
Of note, the signature required on it is the "Director of Athletics"; not a coach.
The Kyle Burwick transfer situation is the most active current thread on the Intermat Forum. https://intermatforums.com/forum/3-college-wrestling/
Well...this is starting to make some sense. Thanks Matt for posting the NCAA No Participation Opportunity form. As I read it, the first criteria that the AD has to agree to is:
By signing this form, you certify that the student-athlete listed was no longer given an opportunity to participate (practice or compete per NCAA Bylaw 14.02.12) on the institution's team for reasons outside of the student-athlete's control.
From all the various quotes, especially Kyle's, he was on the team roster and was given the opportunity to participate and was indeed practicing until the Lamont signing happened. Everything was in his control (except he didn't want to compete against Lamont and decided to transfer).
So for Mac to sign this form (not Coach Bono) he would have to basically lie about that first point. Does anyone else read it that way???
If so, then congratulations to Mac for having integrity and being honest. Why couldn't Nebraska do the same??
Quote from: novice wrestler on December 16, 2022, 11:02:57 PMWell...this is starting to make some sense. Thanks Matt for posting the NCAA No Participation Opportunity form. As I read it, the first criteria that the AD has to agree to is:
By signing this form, you certify that the student-athlete listed was no longer given an opportunity to participate (practice or compete per NCAA Bylaw 14.02.12) on the institution's team for reasons outside of the student-athlete's control.
From all the various quotes, especially Kyle's, he was on the team roster and was given the opportunity to participate and was indeed practicing until the Lamont signing happened. Everything was in his control (except he didn't want to compete against Lamont and decided to transfer).
So for Mac to sign this form (not Coach Bono) he would have to basically lie about that first point. Does anyone else read it that way???
If so, then congratulations to Mac for having integrity and being honest. Why couldn't Nebraska do the same??
He doesn't have to "lie," he could just say he didn't have the opportunity any longer...and then his reason would they recruited over him, but he doesn't have to add that in there.
I don't think Bono/Wisconsin did anything wrong here, but...just sign it, it's a bad look. You have the HC at Nebraska basically calling you a liar...it just doesn't seem worth it.
ND kids have been Minnesota or Iowa's. We kinda had a little in there and it's a shame if this impacts that. Far pettier things that have already hurt Wisconsin's recruiting(which still looks pretty good).
Quote from: Vir Fortis on December 18, 2022, 06:04:15 AMQuote from: novice wrestler on December 16, 2022, 11:02:57 PMWell...this is starting to make some sense. Thanks Matt for posting the NCAA No Participation Opportunity form. As I read it, the first criteria that the AD has to agree to is:
By signing this form, you certify that the student-athlete listed was no longer given an opportunity to participate (practice or compete per NCAA Bylaw 14.02.12) on the institution's team for reasons outside of the student-athlete's control.
From all the various quotes, especially Kyle's, he was on the team roster and was given the opportunity to participate and was indeed practicing until the Lamont signing happened. Everything was in his control (except he didn't want to compete against Lamont and decided to transfer).
So for Mac to sign this form (not Coach Bono) he would have to basically lie about that first point. Does anyone else read it that way???
If so, then congratulations to Mac for having integrity and being honest. Why couldn't Nebraska do the same??
He doesn't have to "lie," he could just say he didn't have the opportunity any longer...and then his reason would they recruited over him, but he doesn't have to add that in there.
I don't think Bono/Wisconsin did anything wrong here, but...just sign it, it's a bad look. You have the HC at Nebraska basically calling you a liar...it just doesn't seem worth it.
ND kids have been Minnesota or Iowa's. We kinda had a little in there and it's a shame if this impacts that. Far pettier things that have already hurt Wisconsin's recruiting(which still looks pretty good).
Exactly. UW could/can make this happen. They also didn't educate the student-athlete about the transfer portal. Bono recruited over a guy, nothing wrong with that but do the right thing and release the student-athlete.
Right, wrong, or indifferent the majority of wrestling fans are going to look at the morality of this issue and if it involves Bono, they're going to assume he's on the wrong side of it.
I think this situation is at a point that they will never sign the form because that will look like they did something wrong. Kinda like going down with the ship.
I'm just surprised that the UW (Bono) haven't been more proactive in attempting to counter the negative look of all of this. I know the UW athletic dept. put out an earlier announcement saying we support Burwick's right to compete, but it also didn't come right out and say something to the effect of the UW has relinquished all claims on Burwick's right to compete. And I respectfully disagree with those among us who think that prior announcement said that; I'm on the UW's side in this affair and that is NOT what I read in the announcement. It seemed to carefully sidestep explicitly saying that it has complied with all of the necessary paperwork, etc. And even if that is what the UW thinks it said, to quietly sit by while the broader wrestling world labels Bono and the UW as the "bad guys" isn't very good damage control.
Quote from: npope on December 20, 2022, 09:18:17 AMI'm just surprised that the UW (Bono) haven't been more proactive in attempting to counter the negative look of all of this. I know the UW athletic dept. put out an earlier announcement saying we support Burwick's right to compete, but it also didn't come right out and say something to the effect of the UW has relinquished all claims on Burwick's right to compete. And I respectfully disagree with those among us who think that prior announcement said that; I'm on the UW's side in this affair and that is NOT what I read in the announcement. It seemed to carefully sidestep explicitly saying that it has complied with all of the necessary paperwork, etc. And even if that is what the UW thinks it said, to quietly sit by while the broader wrestling world labels Bono and the UW as the "bad guys" isn't very good damage control.
Totally agree. The blowback is on the wrestling program. No one cares about the administration.
Burwick wrestled for Nebraska tonight vs Minnesota. They said on the broadcast that his eligibility came through on Wednesday
With him finally wrestling, I assume this was an NCAA issue that he was not allowed to wrestle until second semester because he filed for transfer late
Quote from: DocWrestling on January 14, 2023, 06:50:14 AMWith him finally wrestling, I assume this was an NCAA issue that he was not allowed to wrestle until second semester because he filed for transfer late
Over on the Husker Wrestling Twitter board there is an explanation as to the decision that was made to allow Burwick back on the mat and who all had a hand in it. Judging by the explanation, no one is to blame for the cluster ****. If I knew how to pull the post into this system I would - but I don't, so...
Nebraska 21 Minnesota 9
125 - Liam Cronin (Nebraska) dec Patrick McKee (Minnesota) 11-6
133 - Aaron Nagao (Minnesota) dec Kyle Burwick (Nebraska) 4-2SV
141 - Brock Hardy (Nebraska) maj Jake Bergeland (Minnesota) 9-0
149 - Dayne Morton (Nebraska) dec Michael Blockhus (Minnesota) 5-4
157 - Peyton Robb (Nebraska) dec Brayton Lee (Minnesota) 2-0
165 - Andrew Sparks (Minnesota) dec Bubba Wilson (Nebraska) 6-1
174 - Mikey Labriola (Nebraska) dec Bailee O'Reilly (Minnesota) 5-3
184 - Isaiah Salazar (Minnesota) dec Lenny Pinto (Nebraska) 7-6
197 - Silas Allred (Nebraska) dec Michial Foy (Minnesota) 6-4
285 - Cale Davison (Nebraska) dec Garrett Joles (Minnesota) 9-6
Quote from: npope on January 14, 2023, 09:15:22 AMOver on the Husker Wrestling Twitter board there is an explanation as to the decision that was made to allow Burwick back on the mat and who all had a hand in it. Judging by the explanation, no one is to blame for the cluster ****. If I knew how to pull the post into this system I would - but I don't, so...
https://twitter.com/NEBwrestle/status/1614057413346459650?s=20&t=L08o38ClXuOGT2R98EjCUA
Another piece on it.
https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/10335973-burwick-declared-eligible-to-compete-for-huskers-after-transfer-dispute
Flo article
https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/10335973-burwick-declared-eligible-to-compete-for-huskers-after-transfer-dispute
From Husker Wrestling twitter account
https://twitter.com/HuskerWrestling/status/1614036510537580544
Their statement looks very similar to the Badgers statement in November.
Wrestling at Nebraska should be interesting.
Quote from: bigoil on January 14, 2023, 01:46:50 PMTheir statement looks very similar to the Badgers statement in November.
Yeah, it's almost as if the Badgers weren't fully invested in not allowing a former Wrestler, who didn't get his transfer in on time, to compete for Nebraska.
Wonder if Manning will issue any sort of apology(I don't actually wonder that).
manning's perspective here: https://www.flowrestling.org/collections/6751866-interviews/video?playing=10214755
Makes it sound like it was easy for UW to sign, they just didn't.
Quote from: ckwrestler on January 15, 2023, 06:41:44 AMmanning's perspective here: https://www.flowrestling.org/collections/6751866-interviews/video?playing=10214755
Makes it sound like it was easy for UW to sign, they just didn't.
I am no expert, so take this for what it's worth, the 21 page thread on this topic raised the issue as to what WI would be saying if it were to actually sign the document in question (NPO) because the document evidently wants the previous school to say something to the effect that the athlete in question did not have access to training/competition, etc., and thus, was essentially being forced to transfer. This would suggest for example, that the athlete was banned from access to the UW athletic program prior to entering the portal. Some posters were suggesting that this was not the case at the UW as everything flowed from Burwick's announcement that he was enter the portal first. I don't know the reality, but that argument was that if the UW signed the NPO then it would have been misrepresenting the truth and put itself at legal risk. If that were true, then Manning's explanation is dealing with only half truths. Anyway - good for Kyle. Good luck until he faces the UW on the mat.
Quote from: ckwrestler on January 15, 2023, 06:41:44 AMmanning's perspective here: https://www.flowrestling.org/collections/6751866-interviews/video?playing=10214755
Makes it sound like it was easy for UW to sign, they just didn't.
Yeah, you'd think he'd just shut up and be happy his guy is eligible.
It was out of Bono's hand. It was up to Tiedt to basically say that Burwick had no opportunity to compete at Wisconsin. That he'd lost his opportunity. Lamont is a nice Wrestler. Burwick was supposed to a blue chipper with 3 years left.
The only thing stopping him was he didn't want to stay and beat Lamont out. It seems by those in the know(not UW or Neb in particular, people who are familiar with the transfer rules) it was always going to be 2nd semester.
But to be clear, it WOULD have been easy to sign. It just would have required they lie.
Just a hint, but Manning isn't exactly neutral here. He came out, made some obnoxious and inflammatory comments. I wonder if he'd have signed a piece of paper he knowingly knew to be false in the same situation. Sounds like he would have.
Quote from: npope on January 15, 2023, 10:56:47 AMQuote from: ckwrestler on January 15, 2023, 06:41:44 AMmanning's perspective here: https://www.flowrestling.org/collections/6751866-interviews/video?playing=10214755
Makes it sound like it was easy for UW to sign, they just didn't.
I am no expert, so take this for what it's worth, the 21 page thread on this topic raised the issue as to what WI would be saying if it were to actually sign the document in question (NPO) because the document evidently wants the previous school to say something to the effect that the athlete in question did not have access to training/competition, etc., and thus, was essentially being forced to transfer. This would suggest for example, that the athlete was banned from access to the UW athletic program prior to entering the portal. Some posters were suggesting that this was not the case at the UW as everything flowed from Burwick's announcement that he was enter the portal first. I don't know the reality, but that argument was that if the UW signed the NPO then it would have been misrepresenting the truth and put itself at legal risk. If that were true, then Manning's explanation is dealing with only half truths. Anyway - good for Kyle. Good luck until he faces the UW on the mat.
I'm also no expert, but in talking(via DM) from people NOT involved with the Badgers, but who understood the scenario, this sounds exactly like what I head repeatedly.
UW had no issue with him transferring(though I suppose after they started to fling mud and attack their character, they weren't quite as eager)...but it was more about them not willing to sign their name to something that was patently false.
For all the comments about Bono's "ethics," this not only had nothing to do with Bono, but this actually would have been unethical...from what I understand...via another member of an athletic Dept familiar with the Burwick situation.