Well on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Quote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
WHO?
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Quote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
Looking forward to seeing who it is.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Quote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
A couple of things. Gomez and EB both have eligibility beyond this season.
The 9.9 is definitely an issue but unless you have inside knowledge I am not sure how you know how much each athlete is getting from year to year. My understanding is this is evaluated each season and a S/A who may have gotten quite a bit to start with may not be getting that much the next year if they do not make the lineup or like you said are not worthy of what they were allotted. Conversely a walk-on may earn scholarship money and/or training table if they have made the lineup. It is also my understanding that some of the decommitting and transfer portal movement in college wrestling and possibly other scholarship sports is related to the reallocation of scholarship money.
One thing I did see regarding this was a rule change or potential rule change with transfers that does require a school that is receiving a transfer be required to honor the scholarship for a period of time so I am not sure how that will play out.
How would you know how Coach Bono allocates scholarships? You don't know is the answer.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
Eric Barnett, Austin Gomez, and Dean Hamiti will all be back next season regardless. That would be 3 returning AAs more than what we have had for quite awhile and that isn't even factoring in this season and who could AA.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
Ha, you definitely aren't taking up Real Estate in my head, but I appreciate the Real Estate subliminal shoutout!
And since you mentioned being truthful, why don't you share your identity?? Wouldn't that be truthful? Let the forum know who you are and what you personally have against Bono?
One's opinions (positive or negative) carry a heck of a lot more weight when they aren't anonymous.
Everyone knows who I am. I make that obvious and don't hide it. People can view what I say under the context of my involvement with the RTC and my relationship with the Coaches. Of course under those circumstances I'm going to be positive.
-Matt Deadman
Maybe some of you guys are fine with the Barry Davis standards, but Bono raised expectations when he took the job he said he wanted to compete for team national titles. When you want to compete with Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State and some of the other wrestling power schools, you need to manage scholarship money very well.
Quote from: wrastle63 on October 03, 2022, 12:49:52 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
Eric Barnett, Austin Gomez, and Dean Hamiti will all be back next season regardless. That would be 3 returning AAs more than what we have had for quite awhile and that isn't even factoring in this season and who could AA.
Yes, I'm very aware of that. But the class of 2024 won't be at Madison for another two years, so the only current AA expected to return is Hamiti.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on October 03, 2022, 11:47:25 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
A couple of things. Gomez and EB both have eligibility beyond this season.
The 9.9 is definitely an issue but unless you have inside knowledge I am not sure how you know how much each athlete is getting from year to year. My understanding is this is evaluated each season and a S/A who may have gotten quite a bit to start with may not be getting that much the next year if they do not make the lineup or like you said are not worthy of what they were allotted. Conversely a walk-on may earn scholarship money and/or training table if they have made the lineup. It is also my understanding that some of the decommitting and transfer portal movement in college wrestling and possibly other scholarship sports is related to the reallocation of scholarship money.
One thing I did see regarding this was a rule change or potential rule change with transfers that does require a school that is receiving a transfer be required to honor the scholarship for a period of time so I am not sure how that will play out.
Yes, I know EB and AG have two years of eligibility, but the class of 2024 comes in the following year. I believe scholarship money is granted for multiple years, so that if you give a recruit a full ride, I think that the athlete gets full ride money for up to 5 years if they redshirt. I don't think a coach can lower the amount of scholarship money if the athlete doesn't live up to expectations as a wrestler.
Luke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 05:08:33 PMQuote from: vsmf2010 on October 03, 2022, 11:47:25 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
A couple of things. Gomez and EB both have eligibility beyond this season.
The 9.9 is definitely an issue but unless you have inside knowledge I am not sure how you know how much each athlete is getting from year to year. My understanding is this is evaluated each season and a S/A who may have gotten quite a bit to start with may not be getting that much the next year if they do not make the lineup or like you said are not worthy of what they were allotted. Conversely a walk-on may earn scholarship money and/or training table if they have made the lineup. It is also my understanding that some of the decommitting and transfer portal movement in college wrestling and possibly other scholarship sports is related to the reallocation of scholarship money.
One thing I did see regarding this was a rule change or potential rule change with transfers that does require a school that is receiving a transfer be required to honor the scholarship for a period of time so I am not sure how that will play out.
Yes, I know EB and AG have two years of eligibility, but the class of 2024 comes in the following year. I believe scholarship money is granted for multiple years, so that if you give a recruit a full ride, I think that the athlete gets full ride money for up to 5 years if they redshirt. I don't think a coach can lower the amount of scholarship money if the athlete doesn't live up to expectations as a wrestler.
In regard to multi year scholarship offers in wrestling I was told otherwise by a badger assistant a few years back. Here are a few links to a few articles that back that up. With the exception of head count sports it seems that multi year offers are not the norm and scholarships are year to year.
https://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting/how-to-get-recruited/scholarship-facts#:~:text=No%2C%20athletic%20scholarships%20are%20typically,combined%2C%20that's%20thousands%20of%20schools.&text=Learn%20about%20the%20different%20division%20levels.
https://www.sportsengine.com/recruiting/are-athletic-scholarships-guaranteed-4-years
https://usatodayhss.com/2019/ncsa-are-athletic-scholarships-guaranteed-for-four-years
https://www.2adays.com/blog/is-my-athletic-scholarship-guaranteed-it-depends/
Quote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
#71 on the 2023 big board
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 04:58:47 PMQuote from: wrastle63 on October 03, 2022, 12:49:52 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
Eric Barnett, Austin Gomez, and Dean Hamiti will all be back next season regardless. That would be 3 returning AAs more than what we have had for quite awhile and that isn't even factoring in this season and who could AA.
Yes, I'm very aware of that. But the class of 2024 won't be at Madison for another two years, so the only current AA expected to return is Hamiti.
LOL! Go through and do that with every school. Dean was the only true freshman AA in the entire country.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
I'll take a top ten national recruit in a weight class all day everyday! 2nd wrestler from this west coast powerhouse wrestling program. Build the pipeline. Great job by the coaching staff.
Quote from: Harris on October 04, 2022, 05:55:01 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
I'll take a top ten national recruit in a weight class all day everyday! 2nd wrestler from this west coast powerhouse wrestling program. Build the pipeline. Great job by the coaching staff.
Well, Matt promised a bluechip and that's what I expected. He was listed as a Cal-Poly commit and after Cal-Poly stole Evan Wick away from Madison, perhaps, this was a bit of payback on Cal-Poly. Haha. Not a terrible prospect, and if he is a walk-on or has a minimal scholly, I'm fine with it. I still am awaiting three blue chippers and lets see if Bono can deliver.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
Well top 10 in your class would qualify as Blue Chipper IMO.
Some might say top 20/25/30.
But there will be multiple time AAs below 30 (and I hope the Badgers end up with 1 or 2 over the next few years!). Season tickets purchased.
Quote from: Numbers on October 04, 2022, 10:11:46 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
Well top 10 in your class would qualify as Blue Chipper IMO.
Some might say top 20/25/30.
But there will be multiple time AAs below 30 (and I hope the Badgers end up with 1 or 2 over the next few years!). Season tickets purchased.
I agree with your assessment pretty much. I'd definitely call Braxton Amos, Dean Hamiti and Eric Barnett blue chippers, and probably James Rowley too and they are Bono's top high school recruits, and more like them would be welcome. I give Bono more credit with transfers with Gross, Gomez and Lamont. I wouldn't put Zargo or Rivera in the blue chip class, but there is something to work with in both guys and hopefully Bono can develop them to AA status.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
Isn't it safe to say that Sinclair and the Mirasolas with the their ties to AWA won't come to Madison? At this point, unfortunately it would be shocking if they commit to UW. Seems like Davino and Hopke are the more likely to commit to Bono than those three
Quote from: novice wrestler on October 05, 2022, 07:49:12 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
Isn't it safe to say that Sinclair and the Mirasolas with the their ties to AWA won't come to Madison? At this point, unfortunately it would be shocking if they commit to UW. Seems like Davino and Hopke are the more likely to commit to Bono than those three
I don't rule out anyone with AWA ties signing with the Badgers. A young man will do what he thinks is best for himself and the AWA coaches don't really have a say (sure they can say trash Bono), but I think a recruit will make up his own mind. Sinclair was part of the Badger team against Germany and I heard Mirasolas have visited, so I wouldn't rule either out and in fact, I expect Bono has a good chance to grab one of them.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 05, 2022, 09:41:36 AMQuote from: novice wrestler on October 05, 2022, 07:49:12 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
Isn't it safe to say that Sinclair and the Mirasolas with the their ties to AWA won't come to Madison? At this point, unfortunately it would be shocking if they commit to UW. Seems like Davino and Hopke are the more likely to commit to Bono than those three
I don't rule out anyone with AWA ties signing with the Badgers. A young man will do what he thinks is best for himself and the AWA coaches don't really have a say (sure they can say trash Bono), but I think a recruit will make up his own mind. Sinclair was part of the Badger team against Germany and I heard Mirasolas have visited, so I wouldn't rule either out and in fact, I expect Bono has a good chance to grab one of them.
A coach that works with an athlete for sometimes an entire decade doesn't have a say? You think they don't ask their HS coach, club coach, etc. for advice? If the club or HS coach trashes a coach(as you say in your post) what do you think that athlete will think/do? Obviously athletes will make their own decision, but if you think someone they pay a lot of money to coach them doesn't have a big influence on them that is crazy.
Quote from: wrastle63 on October 05, 2022, 11:08:52 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 05, 2022, 09:41:36 AMQuote from: novice wrestler on October 05, 2022, 07:49:12 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
Isn't it safe to say that Sinclair and the Mirasolas with the their ties to AWA won't come to Madison? At this point, unfortunately it would be shocking if they commit to UW. Seems like Davino and Hopke are the more likely to commit to Bono than those three
I don't rule out anyone with AWA ties signing with the Badgers. A young man will do what he thinks is best for himself and the AWA coaches don't really have a say (sure they can say trash Bono), but I think a recruit will make up his own mind. Sinclair was part of the Badger team against Germany and I heard Mirasolas have visited, so I wouldn't rule either out and in fact, I expect Bono has a good chance to grab one of them.
A coach that works with an athlete for sometimes an entire decade doesn't have a say? You think they don't ask their HS coach, club coach, etc. for advice? If the club or HS coach trashes a coach(as you say in your post) what do you think that athlete will think/do? Obviously athletes will make their own decision, but if you think someone they pay a lot of money to coach them doesn't have a big influence on them that is crazy.
I didn't say they have no influence, but they don't have the final say. AWA athletes have signed with Bono in the past and both Sinclair and Mirasolas I believe have spent time with Bono, that tells me despite what AWA coaches are saying, they are considering Wisconsin.
I know for a fact that The Badger coaches have been in the Madison AWA room in the last several months. So let's at least dispel that they are not allowed in the room nonsense.
Quote from: Tims on October 05, 2022, 11:33:38 AMI know for a fact that The Badger coaches have been in the Madison AWA room in the last several months. So let's at least dispel that they are not allowed in the room nonsense.
I have to believe you are 100% correct seeing that Patrick is a AWA coach according to their webpage. Now if Ben or Maxx were there would they be allowed in the room? According to what you are saying, I would hope so
Quote from: vsmf2010 on October 03, 2022, 07:46:49 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 05:08:33 PMQuote from: vsmf2010 on October 03, 2022, 11:47:25 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
A couple of things. Gomez and EB both have eligibility beyond this season.
The 9.9 is definitely an issue but unless you have inside knowledge I am not sure how you know how much each athlete is getting from year to year. My understanding is this is evaluated each season and a S/A who may have gotten quite a bit to start with may not be getting that much the next year if they do not make the lineup or like you said are not worthy of what they were allotted. Conversely a walk-on may earn scholarship money and/or training table if they have made the lineup. It is also my understanding that some of the decommitting and transfer portal movement in college wrestling and possibly other scholarship sports is related to the reallocation of scholarship money.
One thing I did see regarding this was a rule change or potential rule change with transfers that does require a school that is receiving a transfer be required to honor the scholarship for a period of time so I am not sure how that will play out.
Yes, I know EB and AG have two years of eligibility, but the class of 2024 comes in the following year. I believe scholarship money is granted for multiple years, so that if you give a recruit a full ride, I think that the athlete gets full ride money for up to 5 years if they redshirt. I don't think a coach can lower the amount of scholarship money if the athlete doesn't live up to expectations as a wrestler.
In regard to multi year scholarship offers in wrestling I was told otherwise by a badger assistant a few years back. Here are a few links to a few articles that back that up. With the exception of head count sports it seems that multi year offers are not the norm and scholarships are year to year.
https://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting/how-to-get-recruited/scholarship-facts#:~:text=No%2C%20athletic%20scholarships%20are%20typically,combined%2C%20that's%20thousands%20of%20schools.&text=Learn%20about%20the%20different%20division%20levels.
https://www.sportsengine.com/recruiting/are-athletic-scholarships-guaranteed-4-years
https://usatodayhss.com/2019/ncsa-are-athletic-scholarships-guaranteed-for-four-years
https://www.2adays.com/blog/is-my-athletic-scholarship-guaranteed-it-depends/
I think that doesn't apply to the Big Ten. I think scholarships are guaranteed for the duration. That has been my understanding for quite a while based on what I have heard and read. See https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11666316/big-ten-guarantees-four-year-scholarships-student-athletes
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 05, 2022, 08:46:41 PMQuote from: vsmf2010 on October 03, 2022, 07:46:49 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 05:08:33 PMQuote from: vsmf2010 on October 03, 2022, 11:47:25 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 11:11:38 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 10:54:02 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 03, 2022, 10:00:04 AMQuote from: bigoil on October 03, 2022, 08:12:05 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
Every person part of the team is important, there is no meh.
And how do you have bad news with someone joining the team?
Don't you understand that there is a 9.9 scholarship limit, so Bono must spend scholarship resources wisely. When scholarship money goes to guys that don't justify the scholarship spend, it hurts the Badger wrestling team. I'm not going to name names, but there obviously has been several misses by Bono.
There you go again BadgerOne finding a way to bring what should be a positive post into a pot stirring, inference laden jab against Bono and his management of the team.
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. It appears Wisconsin will have a lot of scholarship money available for the Class of 2024, Wisconsin has a lot of high end talent and he has connections to a handful of bluechippers, so the stars are aligning and I expect Bono should be able to land a top flight class in 2024.
A couple of things. Gomez and EB both have eligibility beyond this season.
The 9.9 is definitely an issue but unless you have inside knowledge I am not sure how you know how much each athlete is getting from year to year. My understanding is this is evaluated each season and a S/A who may have gotten quite a bit to start with may not be getting that much the next year if they do not make the lineup or like you said are not worthy of what they were allotted. Conversely a walk-on may earn scholarship money and/or training table if they have made the lineup. It is also my understanding that some of the decommitting and transfer portal movement in college wrestling and possibly other scholarship sports is related to the reallocation of scholarship money.
One thing I did see regarding this was a rule change or potential rule change with transfers that does require a school that is receiving a transfer be required to honor the scholarship for a period of time so I am not sure how that will play out.
Yes, I know EB and AG have two years of eligibility, but the class of 2024 comes in the following year. I believe scholarship money is granted for multiple years, so that if you give a recruit a full ride, I think that the athlete gets full ride money for up to 5 years if they redshirt. I don't think a coach can lower the amount of scholarship money if the athlete doesn't live up to expectations as a wrestler.
In regard to multi year scholarship offers in wrestling I was told otherwise by a badger assistant a few years back. Here are a few links to a few articles that back that up. With the exception of head count sports it seems that multi year offers are not the norm and scholarships are year to year.
https://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting/how-to-get-recruited/scholarship-facts#:~:text=No%2C%20athletic%20scholarships%20are%20typically,combined%2C%20that's%20thousands%20of%20schools.&text=Learn%20about%20the%20different%20division%20levels.
https://www.sportsengine.com/recruiting/are-athletic-scholarships-guaranteed-4-years
https://usatodayhss.com/2019/ncsa-are-athletic-scholarships-guaranteed-for-four-years
https://www.2adays.com/blog/is-my-athletic-scholarship-guaranteed-it-depends/
I think that doesn't apply to the Big Ten. I think scholarships are guaranteed for the duration. That has been my understanding for quite a while based on what I have heard and read. See https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11666316/big-ten-guarantees-four-year-scholarships-student-athletes
I stand corrected. My conversation with the assistant was prior to this being put in place and I apologize. I read some follow up articles and there appear to be a few loops holes but for the most part it does appear the Big Ten and the rest of the power 5 are offering scholarships for the duration as long as incoming freshman start with scholarship.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 10:42:11 PMQuote from: Numbers on October 04, 2022, 10:11:46 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 04, 2022, 05:14:41 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 02, 2022, 07:23:51 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 02, 2022, 05:17:50 PMQuote from: bigoil on October 02, 2022, 07:34:07 AMWell on the mat at least! Coach Bono with his famous catch phrase, had some great recruits in yesterday!
Anyone see Gomez BIG champ ring, so cool.
Hope so, but sometimes "great day" chimes turn out to be meh news or even bad news, so I won't get my hopes up. I think there is plenty of scholarship money coming off the books to score three blue chippers. Hopke, Davino and Mirasolas or Sinclair and three of them were brought in for Germany dual, so those are the three I hope Bono can land. Davino and Hopke will be highly sought after, so hopefully its one of those guys. I think getting either Sinclair or the Mirasolas is much easier and honestly, I'd expect Sinclair or Mirasolas to come to Madison.
3 Blue Chippers were in town this weekend and one of them so far committed! It's a big get! Great day indeed.
I must have missed the announcement as I didn't see any "blue chipper" commit unless your definition of "blue chipper" is vastly different than mine.
Well top 10 in your class would qualify as Blue Chipper IMO.
Some might say top 20/25/30.
But there will be multiple time AAs below 30 (and I hope the Badgers end up with 1 or 2 over the next few years!). Season tickets purchased.
I agree with your assessment pretty much. I'd definitely call Braxton Amos, Dean Hamiti and Eric Barnett blue chippers, and probably James Rowley too and they are Bono's top high school recruits, and more like them would be welcome. I give Bono more credit with transfers with Gross, Gomez and Lamont. I wouldn't put Zargo or Rivera in the blue chip class, but there is something to work with in both guys and hopefully Bono can develop them to AA status.
What would you classify Rivera as?
I watched him...pretty much dominate the #5 overall rated recruit and a world medalist on his way to being named OW at the Cheesehead.
Christ, if that's a "meh" Wrestler, I can see why you're not real high on Bono. You may adjust your expectations as...doesn't seem like anyone outside of PSU and Ohio State's classes(on occasion) are up to the level you seem to require.
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What would you classify Rivera as?
I watched him...pretty much dominate the #5 overall rated recruit and a world medalist on his way to being named OW at the Cheesehead.
Christ, if that's a "meh" Wrestler, I can see why you're not real high on Bono. You may adjust your expectations as...doesn't seem like anyone outside of PSU and Ohio State's classes(on occasion) are up to the level you seem to require.
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100% agree
I would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Rivera is going to AA. No doubt.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Quote from: Redeemer on October 12, 2022, 09:08:03 PMRivera is going to AA. No doubt.
I think he has great potential, but I think Thielke, Amos, and many other highly ranked guys have shown how hard the transition is from high school to college. He has a unique wrestling style, so it will be interesting how he transitions against the best guys. I hope he is an AA type college wrestler!
Quote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Agree. A Negative Nelly on here. Let's make note of who is being negative and telling the Badger wrestlers they aren't very good.
Quote from: mkm13 on October 13, 2022, 06:39:47 AMQuote from: Redeemer on October 12, 2022, 09:08:03 PMRivera is going to AA. No doubt.
I think he has great potential, but I think Thielke, Amos, and many other highly ranked guys have shown how hard the transition is from high school to college. He has a unique wrestling style, so it will be interesting how he transitions against the best guys. I hope he is an AA type college wrestler!
We understand JT liked Greco alot. Amos is just starting and will AA this season. Be positive. Obviously there is a chance of failure, but you can't focus on that.
Quote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Yes, because in high school age difference matters. I'm trying to help some of you understand why Rivera is not ranked that highly by Flo, though I think he still is a good pickup.
To be fair Flo is not the best at ranking kids... look who is doing the rankings.
Quote from: wrastle63 on October 13, 2022, 08:31:09 AMTo be fair Flo is not the best at ranking kids... look who is doing the rankings.
Sure, especially with Willie gone. It works both ways. IMHO, Rivera was underranked. I can think of a few Badgers who were probably very overranked at the time of their commitment. The only reason it matters is that there is limited scholarship money and I worry that Wisconsin might be overpaying scholly money on certain kids and using up scholly funds so they can't be as competitive going after the elite or blue chippers. Scholly money dried up necessating cutting all the resident RTC athletes and refunneling RTC raised money. Who is getting 9.9 scholly money plus all the RTC money? I can think of 6 guys deserving big money and a couple more deserving decent money, but if you try to allocate all the scholarships, you obviously have plenty of guys getting good scholarship money who aren't contributing or likely to contribute in the future towards team standing at NCAAs. To be a consistent top program, good scholarship management is a gamechanger.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:47:01 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on October 13, 2022, 08:31:09 AMTo be fair Flo is not the best at ranking kids... look who is doing the rankings.
Sure, especially with Willie gone. It works both ways. IMHO, Rivera was underranked. I can think of a few Badgers who were probably very overranked at the time of their commitment. The only reason it matters is that there is limited scholarship money and I worry that Wisconsin might be overpaying scholly money on certain kids and using up scholly funds so they can't be as competitive going after the elite or blue chippers. Scholly money dried up necessating cutting all the RTC athletes and refunneling RTC raised money. Who is getting 9.9 scholly money plus all the RTC money? I can think of 6 guys deserving big money and a couple more deserving decent money, but if you try to allocate all the scholarships, you obviously have plenty of guys getting good scholarship money who aren't contributing or likely to contribute in the future towards team standing at NCAAs. To be a consistent top program, good scholarship management is key or an absolute gamechanger.
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Quote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:52:38 AMQuote from: Redeemer on October 13, 2022, 07:48:01 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Agree. A Negative Nelly on here. Let's make note of who is being negative and telling the Badger wrestlers they aren't very good.
Wanting the team to be better, makes me a Negative Nelly? I see way too much complacency here. No wonder Badgers program is stuck in mediocrity as too much of the fanbase is content with staying a mediocre Big Ten team.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:47:01 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on October 13, 2022, 08:31:09 AMTo be fair Flo is not the best at ranking kids... look who is doing the rankings.
Sure, especially with Willie gone. It works both ways. IMHO, Rivera was underranked. I can think of a few Badgers who were probably very overranked at the time of their commitment. The only reason it matters is that there is limited scholarship money and I worry that Wisconsin might be overpaying scholly money on certain kids and using up scholly funds so they can't be as competitive going after the elite or blue chippers. Scholly money dried up necessating cutting all the resident RTC athletes and refunneling RTC raised money. Who is getting 9.9 scholly money plus all the RTC money? I can think of 6 guys deserving big money and a couple more deserving decent money, but if you try to allocate all the scholarships, you obviously have plenty of guys getting good scholarship money who aren't contributing or likely to contribute in the future towards team standing at NCAAs. To be a consistent top program, good scholarship management is a gamechanger.
I would agree with most of that. The hard part is people see recruits coming in, but don't know how much they are getting. The transfer portal also throws a wrench in the scholarship thing and we have been very active in getting transfers with overall extremely good success! Will be interesting to see what the staff can do with 3 starters (Hillger, Lamont, and Model) all coming "off the books" this year. Bobzien is grey shirting so that will be part of that money, but who else can they get.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:52:38 AMQuote from: Redeemer on October 13, 2022, 07:48:01 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Agree. A Negative Nelly on here. Let's make note of who is being negative and telling the Badger wrestlers they aren't very good.
Wanting the team to be better, makes me a Negative Nelly? I see way too much complacency here. No wonder Badgers program is stuck in mediocrity as too much of the fanbase is content with staying a mediocre Big Ten team.
Everyone in life can look at issues with a different perspective which fine and good. We all have that right. Clearly Badger One looks at the UW wrestling program from a pessimistic viewpoint/attitude, which his right. So maybe the positive/optimistic people in this forum should stop engaging him?
One man's negativity is his perception of life, and could possibly even be accurate. Optimists could even be in for similar criticism. But as a post immediately above notes, it takes all kinds to have a conversation and I don't know about you, but that's why I come to the forum.
On a different note, I have absolutely no delusions that I personally know more about allocating limited scholarship funds among a room of 30 wrestlers than does an experienced coach as a DI program. So, I don't venture into offering my criticisms of the coaching staff on that front - they simply know far more about the process than I do.
But given the influx of NIL now, scholarship funding is but one of multiple means of funding wrestlers, so I am not sure the 9.9 limitation is near as relevant as it was in previous years. I do know for example, that with JRob's great summer wrestling camp system he was able to offer summer employment at very good wages to anyone on his team that he deemed to do so. So maybe the athletic scholarship money was limited, but other channels were wide open.
I do not think complacent accurately describes most of us on here. Supportive and excited would be more accurate. The Badgers are putting out a line up with 5 AA's in it. That is pretty Dang exciting in my book! Point of reference OSU will have 6, PSU 5, OK St and Iowa 4.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on October 13, 2022, 12:21:18 PMI do not think complacent accurately describes most of us on here. Supportive and excited would be more accurate. The Badgers are putting out a line up with 5 AA's in it. That is pretty Dang exciting in my book! Point of reference OSU will have 6, PSU 5, OK St and Iowa 4.
Funny, my post did not say Dang but the forum automatically changed it. ;D
Quote from: mkm13 on October 13, 2022, 06:39:47 AMQuote from: Redeemer on October 12, 2022, 09:08:03 PMRivera is going to AA. No doubt.
I think he has great potential, but I think Thielke, Amos, and many other highly ranked guys have shown how hard the transition is from high school to college. He has a unique wrestling style, so it will be interesting how he transitions against the best guys. I hope he is an AA type college wrestler!
I think Greco is a big part of that equation. Rivera has incredible attacks to both sides, moves very well. He's not just overpowering guys with double underhooks.
Edit-That is NOT a dig on JT or Amos or anyone else. I just think you see a FAR greater number of highly regarded recruits who focus on Greco vs those who focus on Freestyle. Greco is great for HS kids and to learn how to throw and as a wise coach used to advise me, as importantly, how to not get thrown. But once you get to a higher level, I don't think Greco is helping you nearly as much.
Rivera's leg attacks are elite, but you also saw how his style changed(or expanded). He beat guys in a lot of different ways, but vs the best, the #1 ranked Wrestle in his weight and the #5 in his class(who's a WHOLE year younger) he was able to get in with his leg attacks to both sides and was more physical.
So sure, you never really know. Mason Manville of PSU was one of the top HS recruits in a 5 year period. Hasn't really panned out(still at PSU though...as a 5th year Soph).
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:14:33 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Yes, because in high school age difference matters. I'm trying to help some of you understand why Rivera is not ranked that highly by Flo, though I think he still is a good pickup.
He beat the #1 ranked Wrestler at all ages and he beat him soundly while dominating one of the tougher tournaments in the Country. Again, you can diminish it all you want, but it's kinda silly.
But sure...it matters. Then you'd think the Bono and the Badgers would get EXTRA credit from you for having the lone True Fresh AA last year...instead you literally pointed to that as a problem. They "only" have him coming back not the year after next, but I guess the year after that one?
Man, I hope you're stretching with some of these reaches.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:52:38 AMQuote from: Redeemer on October 13, 2022, 07:48:01 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Agree. A Negative Nelly on here. Let's make note of who is being negative and telling the Badger wrestlers they aren't very good.
Wanting the team to be better, makes me a Negative Nelly? I see way too much complacency here. No wonder Badgers program is stuck in mediocrity as too much of the fanbase is content with staying a mediocre Big Ten team.
I do not believe that first sentence. Or at least I believe you'd rather seen Bono and the coaches fail more than UW succeed. This seems very personal.
Quote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 08:02:29 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:52:38 AMQuote from: Redeemer on October 13, 2022, 07:48:01 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Agree. A Negative Nelly on here. Let's make note of who is being negative and telling the Badger wrestlers they aren't very good.
Wanting the team to be better, makes me a Negative Nelly? I see way too much complacency here. No wonder Badgers program is stuck in mediocrity as too much of the fanbase is content with staying a mediocre Big Ten team.
I do not believe that first sentence. Or at least I believe you'd rather seen Bono and the coaches fail more than UW succeed. This seems very personal.
Very Very Personal. And Very specific in your consistent negative narrative around Bono and his use of his scholarship budget.
Almost like you have been personally affected by his scholarship decisions...
I don't think anyone is exactly content. But negatively ripping Rivera before he even steps on the mat for the Badgers is a bit too pessimistic. Obviously, there is a chance of failure for almost anyone, except for the extremely highly elite.
But the idea is, Rivera is going to learn a lot in year 1 of wrestling with Barnett and company. Amos is going to figure it out.. he's right there in every big match.
Quote from: Redeemer on October 14, 2022, 07:05:51 AMI don't think anyone is exactly content. But negatively ripping Rivera before he even steps on the mat for the Badgers is a bit too pessimistic. Obviously, there is a chance of failure for almost anyone, except for the extremely highly elite.
But the idea is, Rivera is going to learn a lot in year 1 of wrestling with Barnett and company. Amos is going to figure it out.. he's right there in every big match.
Look at Barnett and the jumps he has made. He was similiar to Rivera coming out as a funky unorthodox style of wrestling, but has found what works best for him in college. Using some of the "greco" ties to get to legs and force guys into odd positions. I am sure Gross will be working to get Rivera into those same types of positions. Not many teams have a world team member at their weight working with them who has wrestled some of the same guys they will be competing against.
I would agree with most of that. The hard part is people see recruits coming in, but don't know how much they are getting. The transfer portal also throws a wrench in the scholarship thing and we have been very active in getting transfers with overall extremely good success! Will be interesting to see what the staff can do with 3 starters (Hillger, Lamont, and Model) all coming "off the books" this year. Bobzien is grey shirting so that will be part of that money, but who else can they get.
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this is a legit question and not meant to start arguments. As some of you know I have different rooting interests. But the transfer thing has been on my mind for a few years. Do you think this is why some WI. kids are choosing not to go to WI? I get it, it is a dilemna for coaches. Trying to win now and improve there team. But the flip side is I will be replaced and the coach doesnt care about his recruits. This may not be the case at WI. but this is the preception it gives me. I know people are gonna say you have to earn your spot and I agree with that. I just think development and learning from mistakes is critical at that level.
Quote from: kmoc33 on October 14, 2022, 09:58:05 AMI would agree with most of that. The hard part is people see recruits coming in, but don't know how much they are getting. The transfer portal also throws a wrench in the scholarship thing and we have been very active in getting transfers with overall extremely good success! Will be interesting to see what the staff can do with 3 starters (Hillger, Lamont, and Model) all coming "off the books" this year. Bobzien is grey shirting so that will be part of that money, but who else can they get.
this is a legit question and not meant to start arguments. As some of you know I have different rooting interests. But the transfer thing has been on my mind for a few years. Do you think this is why some WI. kids are choosing not to go to WI? I get it, it is a dilemna for coaches.
Trying to win now and improve there team. But the flip side is I will be replaced and the coach doesnt care about his recruits. This may not be the case at WI. but this is the preception it gives me. I know people are gonna say you have to earn your spot and I agree with that. I just think development and learning from mistakes is critical at that level.
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Trying to win and improve your team is a bad thing now??? LOL ::) Iowa getting Real Woods, Jaydin Eirman, and Austin Desanto, PSU getting Dean, Hildebrandt, Kerkvliet, etc must show they don't care about their wrestlers.
Quote from: wrastle63 on October 14, 2022, 10:25:38 AMQuote from: kmoc33 on October 14, 2022, 09:58:05 AMI would agree with most of that. The hard part is people see recruits coming in, but don't know how much they are getting. The transfer portal also throws a wrench in the scholarship thing and we have been very active in getting transfers with overall extremely good success! Will be interesting to see what the staff can do with 3 starters (Hillger, Lamont, and Model) all coming "off the books" this year. Bobzien is grey shirting so that will be part of that money, but who else can they get.
this is a legit question and not meant to start arguments. As some of you know I have different rooting interests. But the transfer thing has been on my mind for a few years. Do you think this is why some WI. kids are choosing not to go to WI? I get it, it is a dilemna for coaches. Trying to win now and improve there team. But the flip side is I will be replaced and the coach doesnt care about his recruits. This may not be the case at WI. but this is the preception it gives me. I know people are gonna say you have to earn your spot and I agree with that. I just think development and learning from mistakes is critical at that level.
Trying to win and improve your team is a bad thing now??? LOL ::) Iowa getting Real Woods, Jaydin Eirman, and Austin Desanto, PSU getting Dean, Hildebrandt, Kerkvliet, etc must show they don't care about their wrestlers.
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never said that. specifically said I get it thats what a coach is trying to do.
Quote from: kmoc33 on October 14, 2022, 09:58:05 AMthis is a legit question and not meant to start arguments. As some of you know I have different rooting interests. But the transfer thing has been on my mind for a few years. Do you think this is why some WI. kids are choosing not to go to WI? I get it, it is a dilemna for coaches. Trying to win now and improve there team. But the flip side is I will be replaced and the coach doesnt care about his recruits. This may not be the case at WI. but this is the preception it gives me. I know people are gonna say you have to earn your spot and I agree with that. I just think development and learning from mistakes is critical at that level.
While some young guys are surprised when they get bumped out of the lineup because a new guy shows up, it really shouldn't come as a surprise; a coach has an obligation to endeavor to put out the ten best wrestlers he can get and if you aren't one of the ten best the coach can get in the room...your spot is up for grabs.
this is a legit question and not meant to start arguments. As some of you know I have different rooting interests. But the transfer thing has been on my mind for a few years. Do you think this is why some WI. kids are choosing not to go to WI? I get it, it is a dilemna for coaches. Trying to win now and improve there team. But the flip side is I will be replaced and the coach doesnt care about his recruits. This may not be the case at WI. but this is the preception it gives me. I know people are gonna say you have to earn your spot and I agree with that. I just think development and learning from mistakes is critical at that level.
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While some young guys are surprised when they get bumped out of the lineup because a new guy shows up, it really shouldn't come as a surprise; a coach has an obligation to endeavor to put out the ten best wrestlers he can get and if you aren't one of the ten best the coach can get in the room...your spot is up for grabs.
I agree with this. I guess when I asked the question I assumed this communication was not happening. That assumption could be wrong.
-To compare/contrast UW (or really any wrestling program) to IA or PSU in my opinion is just silly. Those schools are on such a different level regarding recruitment, retention, $$, sponsorship, team culture, history, facilities, RTC, etc. To compare whether or not they are successful at transfers (or whatever subject) has absolutely no relevance to UW.
-I do think it is legit to question/wonder (that's what forums are for, right?) the effect these 1-2 year transfers have regarding recruitment of HS athletes into any DI program and also the effect it has on these "hired guns" placed into team dynamics,etc.
-Simple logic-if all things are equal, would a HS senior be more likely to commit to a program that retains, develops and sticks with the mass majority of kids they recruit out of HS or one that year in year out brings in a couple transfers to fill the lineup?
Quote from: kmoc33 on October 14, 2022, 11:53:03 AMWhile some young guys are surprised when they get bumped out of the lineup because a new guy shows up, it really shouldn't come as a surprise; a coach has an obligation to endeavor to put out the ten best wrestlers he can get and if you aren't one of the ten best the coach can get in the room...your spot is up for grabs.
I agree with this. I guess when I asked the question I assumed this communication was not happening. That assumption could be wrong.
You know what assuming does...
Quote from: kmoc33 on October 14, 2022, 09:58:05 AMI would agree with most of that. The hard part is people see recruits coming in, but don't know how much they are getting. The transfer portal also throws a wrench in the scholarship thing and we have been very active in getting transfers with overall extremely good success! Will be interesting to see what the staff can do with 3 starters (Hillger, Lamont, and Model) all coming "off the books" this year. Bobzien is grey shirting so that will be part of that money, but who else can they get.
this is a legit question and not meant to start arguments. As some of you know I have different rooting interests. But the transfer thing has been on my mind for a few years. Do you think this is why some WI. kids are choosing not to go to WI? I get it, it is a dilemna for coaches. Trying to win now and improve there team. But the flip side is I will be replaced and the coach doesnt care about his recruits. This may not be the case at WI. but this is the preception it gives me. I know people are gonna say you have to earn your spot and I agree with that. I just think development and learning from mistakes is critical at that level.
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Missouri has 5 Transfers on their roster (Connor Brown, Cole Gripka, Joel Mylin, Brant Whitaker, Logan Gioffre)
Minnesota has 4 on their roster (Michael Blockhaus, Micahel Foy, Keuton Kleuver, Jared Krattiger)
Wisconsin has 3 in Austin Gomez and Lamont and Meicher
Connor Brown is in his 30s now, isn't he?
To be fair 4 of the 5 Missouri transfers are kids who wrestled HS in the state of Missouri. So transferring to be closer to home imo should always be viewed separately. Same as Kevin Miecher who started off at UM.
Quote from: Tims on October 14, 2022, 04:22:27 PMTo be fair 4 of the 5 Missouri transfers are kids who wrestled HS in the state of Missouri. So transferring to be closer to home imo should always be viewed separately. Same as Kevin Miecher who started off at UM.
I stand corrected on Miecher, good catch.
And I disagree with you on viewing instate vs out of state transfers differently. They are still wrestlers that could take another in state kids spot. Do you think the starting wrestler who loses their spot to a transfer cares if the kid wrestled in state vs out of state in high school? Besides Northwestern, Wisconsin is the second closest high school to Austin Gomez's family. Does that mean he's viewed differently?
Gomez could have gone to 3 schools in his home state that are closer to where he went to HS. Northern IL, Northwestern, and Univ of Illinois. So no I don't view him differently. My point is not all kids coming out of the portal are equal.
Quote from: Tims on October 14, 2022, 04:51:56 PMGomez could have gone to 3 schools in his home state that are closer to where he went to HS. Northern IL, Northwestern, and Univ of Illinois. So no I don't view him differently. My point is not all kids coming out of the portal are equal.
Mr. Mocco asked if kids aren't going to Wisconsin because they are worried about transfers coming in and taking their spot. I pointed out with facts that Missouri, where you both have sons wrestling, has more transfers on their team than Wisconsin does. Statistically speaking, there is a higher probability of a transfer taking a recruited-from-high-school wrestlers spot at Missouri than there is at Wisconsin. And Glenbard North HS is 2 hours 51 minutes to Champaign. It's 2 hours 7 minutes to Madison.
Oh wow you must drive slow. My map says I can make it in 2 hours and 4 minutes. 8)
By memory, most of their transfers have been plugged into the lineup where there were graduates (184) or no clear starters (125, 141, 149)
Quote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 07:32:44 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:14:33 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Yes, because in high school age difference matters. I'm trying to help some of you understand why Rivera is not ranked that highly by Flo, though I think he still is a good pickup.
He beat the #1 ranked Wrestler at all ages and he beat him soundly while dominating one of the tougher tournaments in the Country. Again, you can diminish it all you want, but it's kinda silly.
But sure...it matters. Then you'd think the Bono and the Badgers would get EXTRA credit from you for having the lone True Fresh AA last year...instead you literally pointed to that as a problem. They "only" have him coming back not the year after next, but I guess the year after that one?
Man, I hope you're stretching with some of these reaches.
That is not true. I love everything about Dean Hamiti. He is the team's MVP and fun to watch. I give Bono credit for recruiting him. But we need to get some more top ten guys if we want to compete for a podium finish. I am hoping Braxton Amos makes a big jump this year. Davino, Hopke and another top 10 or top 20 guy would help replace the guys leaving in next two years.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 14, 2022, 02:44:24 PMQuote from: kmoc33 on October 14, 2022, 09:58:05 AMI would agree with most of that. The hard part is people see recruits coming in, but don't know how much they are getting. The transfer portal also throws a wrench in the scholarship thing and we have been very active in getting transfers with overall extremely good success! Will be interesting to see what the staff can do with 3 starters (Hillger, Lamont, and Model) all coming "off the books" this year. Bobzien is grey shirting so that will be part of that money, but who else can they get.
this is a legit question and not meant to start arguments. As some of you know I have different rooting interests. But the transfer thing has been on my mind for a few years. Do you think this is why some WI. kids are choosing not to go to WI? I get it, it is a dilemna for coaches. Trying to win now and improve there team. But the flip side is I will be replaced and the coach doesnt care about his recruits. This may not be the case at WI. but this is the preception it gives me. I know people are gonna say you have to earn your spot and I agree with that. I just think development and learning from mistakes is critical at that level.
Missouri has 5 Transfers on their roster (Connor Brown, Cole Gripka, Joel Mylin, Brant Whitaker, Logan Gioffre)
Minnesota has 4 on their roster (Michael Blockhaus, Micahel Foy, Keuton Kleuver, Jared Krattiger)
Wisconsin has 3 in Austin Gomez and Lamont and Meicher
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I think it matters how it's done. Iowa just recruited over an incoming Freshmen who had a very good Freshmen year and has a legitimate chance to be an AA this year in Wyatt Henson...and they paid Woods to do it.
That'd be like getting Sinclair(24th) to come to Wisconsin...and then after he has an outstanding RS year, is competitive with AA caliber Wrestlers, then you put the full court press on and try and recruit an AA with 2 years left? I wouldn't love that.
To be fair though, as others have said, comparing anyone with Iowa or Penn State isn't really fair. I guess if Wisconsin gets to the point where they think a Real Woods gives them a better shot at a NC over a guy like Henson, then I guess maybe the equation changes.
That's ruthless. Gomez, you couldn't have really known what you were getting. Did anyone even know where he'd be wrestling? He was a '33, not he's a '49. It's gotta be a fine line as a HC.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 14, 2022, 11:42:07 PMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 07:32:44 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:14:33 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Yes, because in high school age difference matters. I'm trying to help some of you understand why Rivera is not ranked that highly by Flo, though I think he still is a good pickup.
He beat the #1 ranked Wrestler at all ages and he beat him soundly while dominating one of the tougher tournaments in the Country. Again, you can diminish it all you want, but it's kinda silly.
But sure...it matters. Then you'd think the Bono and the Badgers would get EXTRA credit from you for having the lone True Fresh AA last year...instead you literally pointed to that as a problem. They "only" have him coming back not the year after next, but I guess the year after that one?
Man, I hope you're stretching with some of these reaches.
That is not true. I love everything about Dean Hamiti. He is the team's MVP and fun to watch. I give Bono credit for recruiting him. But we need to get some more top ten guys if we want to compete for a podium finish. I am hoping Braxton Amos makes a big jump this year. Davino, Hopke and another top 10 or top 20 guy would help replace the guys leaving in next two years.
Yeah, it absolutely is true. It's on the 1st page about 10 posts in. You somehow complained that Hamiti's Sr year, he'll be the "only AA returning," and you WOULD give Bono credit if he were able to land ALL of Wisconsin's top recruits(or other "blue chippers, which your definition of which is not only vague, but tends juuust be outside of Wisconsin's grasp based on Rivera NOT being one).
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level. So what's "not true?"
Hamiti WAS their MVP and is fun to watch? Did I accuse you of saying Hamiti wasn't fun to watch?
Jesuroga WASN'T the #1 rated Wrestler?
Rivera didn't beat him soundly?
What part ISN'T true beyond the part that wasn't disputed?
Quote from: Vir Fortis on October 15, 2022, 12:19:24 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 14, 2022, 11:42:07 PMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 07:32:44 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:14:33 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Yes, because in high school age difference matters. I'm trying to help some of you understand why Rivera is not ranked that highly by Flo, though I think he still is a good pickup.
He beat the #1 ranked Wrestler at all ages and he beat him soundly while dominating one of the tougher tournaments in the Country. Again, you can diminish it all you want, but it's kinda silly.
But sure...it matters. Then you'd think the Bono and the Badgers would get EXTRA credit from you for having the lone True Fresh AA last year...instead you literally pointed to that as a problem. They "only" have him coming back not the year after next, but I guess the year after that one?
Man, I hope you're stretching with some of these reaches.
That is not true. I love everything about Dean Hamiti. He is the team's MVP and fun to watch. I give Bono credit for recruiting him. But we need to get some more top ten guys if we want to compete for a podium finish. I am hoping Braxton Amos makes a big jump this year. Davino, Hopke and another top 10 or top 20 guy would help replace the guys leaving in next two years.
Yeah, it absolutely is true. It's on the 1st page about 10 posts in. You somehow complained that Hamiti's Sr year, he'll be the "only AA returning," and you WOULD give Bono credit if he were able to land ALL of Wisconsin's top recruits(or other "blue chippers, which your definition of which is not only vague, but tends juuust be outside of Wisconsin's grasp based on Rivera NOT being one).
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level.
So what's "not true?"
Hamiti WAS their MVP and is fun to watch? Did I accuse you of saying Hamiti wasn't fun to watch?
Jesuroga WASN'T the #1 rated Wrestler?
Rivera didn't beat him soundly?
What part ISN'T true beyond the part that wasn't disputed?
Its a waste of my time to address anything your or Deadman says as you twist what I say, take things out of context and ignore other things I posted that don't conveniently fit with your false narratives. I chuckle at the absurd things you both say. Keep bashing me all you want. I could care less.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 15, 2022, 09:22:21 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 15, 2022, 12:19:24 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 14, 2022, 11:42:07 PMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 07:32:44 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 13, 2022, 08:14:33 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on October 13, 2022, 02:56:53 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 12, 2022, 04:14:36 PMI would say Rivera is among Bono's best recruits (with Zargo) that wasn't ranked in top 30. He did win Fargo one year and had a couple nice wins against Jesuroga and Ayala. Its worth noting that he's a year older than Jesuroga. He didn't get much respect from Flo-only 10th at weight and outside top 50 in his class. While I wouldn't label him a blue chipper, he's a pretty good prospect and if he works hard, hopefully he can AA.
Is it though? He was ranked #1 at his weight class. You've also "noted" that the Badgers will "only" have 1 returning AA...when Dean Hamiti is a Sr.
It seems like you make note of whatever undermines the program.
Yes, because in high school age difference matters. I'm trying to help some of you understand why Rivera is not ranked that highly by Flo, though I think he still is a good pickup.
He beat the #1 ranked Wrestler at all ages and he beat him soundly while dominating one of the tougher tournaments in the Country. Again, you can diminish it all you want, but it's kinda silly.
But sure...it matters. Then you'd think the Bono and the Badgers would get EXTRA credit from you for having the lone True Fresh AA last year...instead you literally pointed to that as a problem. They "only" have him coming back not the year after next, but I guess the year after that one?
Man, I hope you're stretching with some of these reaches.
That is not true. I love everything about Dean Hamiti. He is the team's MVP and fun to watch. I give Bono credit for recruiting him. But we need to get some more top ten guys if we want to compete for a podium finish. I am hoping Braxton Amos makes a big jump this year. Davino, Hopke and another top 10 or top 20 guy would help replace the guys leaving in next two years.
Yeah, it absolutely is true. It's on the 1st page about 10 posts in. You somehow complained that Hamiti's Sr year, he'll be the "only AA returning," and you WOULD give Bono credit if he were able to land ALL of Wisconsin's top recruits(or other "blue chippers, which your definition of which is not only vague, but tends juuust be outside of Wisconsin's grasp based on Rivera NOT being one).
I'm glad I'm taking up real estate inside your head. I think its hilarious that in your mind to be truthful and realistic makes one a villain. I didn't realize this forum is only for cheerleaders with pom poms. I hope Bono gets a nice recruiting class as he'll need it to be competitive as all the AAs except for Hamiti will be out of eligibility (barring injury). I'll applaud Bono if he lands all of Hopke, Davino and Sinclair/Mirasola or other bluechippers of that level.
So what's "not true?"
Hamiti WAS their MVP and is fun to watch? Did I accuse you of saying Hamiti wasn't fun to watch?
Jesuroga WASN'T the #1 rated Wrestler?
Rivera didn't beat him soundly?
What part ISN'T true beyond the part that wasn't disputed?
Its a waste of my time to address anything your or Deadman says as you twist what I say, take things out of context and ignore other things I posted that don't conveniently fit with your false narratives. I chuckle at the absurd things you both say. Keep bashing me all you want. I could care less.
So if you could care less but choose not to does that mean it actually does bother you?
so just catching up but bottom line is this has nothing to do with it "being a great day to be Badger" and someone else joining the team? ;D
Quote from: dad 2 5 on October 15, 2022, 01:20:22 PMso just catching up but bottom line is this has nothing to do with it "being a great day to be Badger" and someone else joining the team? ;D
It really should be, but...apparently there's too much dispute over what constitutes a "great day," vs a "Meh day."
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
Now he's ranked 9th, in Flo's new rankings. It appears he lost 14 matches last season in folkstyle, freestyle and greco combined and he lost two more this past weekend. He took third in the California HS tourney. One of the problems with Florankings is that after Fargo in July, they rank based on Fargo placement and pretty much ignore head to head matches. Sure, Condon placed fourth at Fargo, but better guys didn't show up and placement is a poor way to rank guys as opposed to head-to-head. His best win appears to be Mulvaney, but he also lost a match to him. Matt called him a blue chipper, but I don't think Matt knows what a blue chipper is.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 11:18:14 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
Now he's ranked 9th, in Flo's new rankings. It appears he lost 14 matches last season in folkstyle, freestyle and greco combined and he lost two more this past weekend. He took third in the California HS tourney. One of the problems with Florankings is that after Fargo in July, they rank based on Fargo placement and pretty much ignore head to head matches. Sure, Condon placed fourth at Fargo, but better guys didn't show up and placement is a poor way to rank guys as opposed to head-to-head. His best win appears to be Mulvaney, but he also lost a match to him. Matt called him a blue chipper, but I don't think Matt knows what a blue chipper is.
If Jon Reader tells me a kid is a hammer and a blue chipper, I trust him way more than some ANONYMOUS guy on a forum. Jon Reader has forgotten more information about wrestling than you will ever learn.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on October 19, 2022, 12:17:52 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 11:18:14 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
Now he's ranked 9th, in Flo's new rankings. It appears he lost 14 matches last season in folkstyle, freestyle and greco combined and he lost two more this past weekend. He took third in the California HS tourney. One of the problems with Florankings is that after Fargo in July, they rank based on Fargo placement and pretty much ignore head to head matches. Sure, Condon placed fourth at Fargo, but better guys didn't show up and placement is a poor way to rank guys as opposed to head-to-head. His best win appears to be Mulvaney, but he also lost a match to him. Matt called him a blue chipper, but I don't think Matt knows what a blue chipper is.
If Jon Reader tells me a kid is a hammer and a blue chipper, I trust him way more than some ANONYMOUS guy on a forum. Jon Reader has forgotten more information about wrestling than you will ever learn.
Jon obviously is an accomplished wrestler and has the ability to inspire people, but he is also going to talk up his guys and him calling a guy a "blue chipper" or "hammer" sounds like puffery. Its sort of like Bono saying I really believe we have ten national champions or ten all-americans. Positive messaging is fine, but lets not confuse that with reality. While I hope Condon can develop, I don't know how you can ignore the fact he has lost more than a dozen matches last year, including several to unranked guys.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 01:02:16 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 19, 2022, 12:17:52 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 11:18:14 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
Now he's ranked 9th, in Flo's new rankings. It appears he lost 14 matches last season in folkstyle, freestyle and greco combined and he lost two more this past weekend. He took third in the California HS tourney. One of the problems with Florankings is that after Fargo in July, they rank based on Fargo placement and pretty much ignore head to head matches. Sure, Condon placed fourth at Fargo, but better guys didn't show up and placement is a poor way to rank guys as opposed to head-to-head. His best win appears to be Mulvaney, but he also lost a match to him. Matt called him a blue chipper, but I don't think Matt knows what a blue chipper is.
If Jon Reader tells me a kid is a hammer and a blue chipper, I trust him way more than some ANONYMOUS guy on a forum. Jon Reader has forgotten more information about wrestling than you will ever learn.
Jon obviously is an accomplished wrestler and has the ability to inspire people, but he is also going to talk up his guys and him calling a guy a "blue chipper" or "hammer" sounds like puffery. Its sort of like Bono saying I really believe we have ten national champions or ten all-americans. Positive messaging is fine, but lets not confuse that with reality. While I hope Condon can develop, I don't know how you can ignore the fact he has lost more than a dozen matches last year, including several to unranked guys. My fear is that the way you hype up the guy and claim Jon hypes up the guy, means that the program is tying up substantial scholarship money for the next five years on the guy. I don't blame any kid for taking a big scholarship, but pouring big money towards non-blue chippers is not the formula that college wrestling powers follow.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 01:10:43 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 01:02:16 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 19, 2022, 12:17:52 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 11:18:14 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
Now he's ranked 9th, in Flo's new rankings. It appears he lost 14 matches last season in folkstyle, freestyle and greco combined and he lost two more this past weekend. He took third in the California HS tourney. One of the problems with Florankings is that after Fargo in July, they rank based on Fargo placement and pretty much ignore head to head matches. Sure, Condon placed fourth at Fargo, but better guys didn't show up and placement is a poor way to rank guys as opposed to head-to-head. His best win appears to be Mulvaney, but he also lost a match to him. Matt called him a blue chipper, but I don't think Matt knows what a blue chipper is.
If Jon Reader tells me a kid is a hammer and a blue chipper, I trust him way more than some ANONYMOUS guy on a forum. Jon Reader has forgotten more information about wrestling than you will ever learn.
Jon obviously is an accomplished wrestler and has the ability to inspire people, but he is also going to talk up his guys and him calling a guy a "blue chipper" or "hammer" sounds like puffery. Its sort of like Bono saying I really believe we have ten national champions or ten all-americans. Positive messaging is fine, but lets not confuse that with reality. While I hope Condon can develop, I don't know how you can ignore the fact he has lost more than a dozen matches last year, including several to unranked guys. My fear is that the way you hype up the guy and claim Jon hypes up the guy, means that the program is tying up substantial scholarship money for the next five years on the guy. I don't blame any kid for taking a big scholarship, but pouring big money towards guys that have lost so many matches, never won a state title, never won Fargo, Beast of the East or major national tourney, nor made a world team, nor are ranked in the top 50 in their high school class is not the formula that college wrestling powers follow.
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 01:10:43 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 01:02:16 PMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 19, 2022, 12:17:52 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 11:18:14 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
Now he's ranked 9th, in Flo's new rankings. It appears he lost 14 matches last season in folkstyle, freestyle and greco combined and he lost two more this past weekend. He took third in the California HS tourney. One of the problems with Florankings is that after Fargo in July, they rank based on Fargo placement and pretty much ignore head to head matches. Sure, Condon placed fourth at Fargo, but better guys didn't show up and placement is a poor way to rank guys as opposed to head-to-head. His best win appears to be Mulvaney, but he also lost a match to him. Matt called him a blue chipper, but I don't think Matt knows what a blue chipper is.
If Jon Reader tells me a kid is a hammer and a blue chipper, I trust him way more than some ANONYMOUS guy on a forum. Jon Reader has forgotten more information about wrestling than you will ever learn.
Jon obviously is an accomplished wrestler and has the ability to inspire people, but he is also going to talk up his guys and him calling a guy a "blue chipper" or "hammer" sounds like puffery. Its sort of like Bono saying I really believe we have ten national champions or ten all-americans. Positive messaging is fine, but lets not confuse that with reality. While I hope Condon can develop, I don't know how you can ignore the fact he has lost more than a dozen matches last year, including several to unranked guys. My fear is that the way you hype up the guy and claim Jon hypes up the guy, means that the program is tying up substantial scholarship money for the next five years on the guy. I don't blame any kid for taking a big scholarship, but pouring big money towards non-blue chippers is not the formula that college wrestling powers follow.
Do you know it is substantial scholarship money?
Quote from: BadgerOne on October 19, 2022, 11:18:14 AMQuote from: BuckyMatt on October 03, 2022, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: heavy9278 on October 03, 2022, 05:49:54 PMLuke Condon out of Poway California just posted his commitment to UW on Instagram
#4 ranked at 170#!
Previously committed to Cal Poly
Now he's ranked 9th, in Flo's new rankings. It appears he lost 14 matches last season in folkstyle, freestyle and greco combined and he lost two more this past weekend. He took third in the California HS tourney. One of the problems with Florankings is that after Fargo in July, they rank based on Fargo placement and pretty much ignore head to head matches. Sure, Condon placed fourth at Fargo, but better guys didn't show up and placement is a poor way to rank guys as opposed to head-to-head. His best win appears to be Mulvaney, but he also lost a match to him. Matt called him a blue chipper, but I don't think Matt knows what a blue chipper is.
It'd be more impressive if he didn't show up to Wrestle at Fargo. Save himself some of those losses.
Also, California's State Tournament is known for being so easy with...all those divisions and the lack of competition.
Finally..."Puffery?" Timely reference there Cagney!
How hard should it be for Penn State to find a 125 pounder? Nick had NCAA success at Rutgers and Michigan after the Penn State fallout.
Wisconsin would not have Barnett at 125 without Bono. His plan was UNC.
It is easy to really hyper focus on the imperfections in life without appreciating the big picture.
Sounds like BadgerOne wants a job recruiting for the Badgers.