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Title: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: npope on September 17, 2022, 04:39:20 PM
Not sure why this is receiving such limited attention, but Amos and Gross are currently at the World Championships in their respective forms of the sport. Braxton competed without placing, but serious congratulations are in order for representing the USA on the national stage. And now coach Gross is in the Bronze medal round for freestyle. I think more than a little attention is in order. Congratulations to both of them is overdue.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Harris on September 17, 2022, 08:51:50 PM
Totally agree.  No Tweets from the WRTC either.......
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: npope on September 18, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Gross loses going for the Bronze medal match, 0-12. Places fifth in the 2022 Worlds.

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: onwisconsin on September 18, 2022, 04:36:18 PM
Totally agree we should have talked about it more.  I watched every USA match.  Great to see Braxton get one win.   

Seth is so much fun to watch, yet scary at the same time.  I am getting used to his action more every time I watch him. Still didn't completely understand his penalty against Japan.  Thought he had that match for awhile.  Japan wrestler was dominant in the finals.

Team USA freestyle was dominant.  Great week of wrestling to watch on FLO
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BadgerOne on September 19, 2022, 06:08:11 PM
Quote from: Harris on September 17, 2022, 08:51:50 PMTotally agree.  No Tweets from the WRTC either.......

No tweets from Bono or Reader either.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: onwisconsin on September 20, 2022, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 19, 2022, 06:08:11 PM
Quote from: Harris on September 17, 2022, 08:51:50 PMTotally agree.  No Tweets from the WRTC either.......

No tweets from Bono or Reader either.

Is something going on? 
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Numbers on September 20, 2022, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: onwisconsin on September 20, 2022, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 19, 2022, 06:08:11 PM
Quote from: Harris on September 17, 2022, 08:51:50 PMTotally agree.  No Tweets from the WRTC either.......

No tweets from Bono or Reader either.

Is something going on? 

Well maybe Mrs. Gross needs a new training home?

Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: MRL_84 on September 20, 2022, 08:05:47 PM
Ronna wrestled for the RTC

RTC cuts women's wrestling

No UW coaches or training partners travel with Seth

It kind of reminds me of another assistant coach who was quietly sent on his way.

McDonough 2.0

Going to miss having Seth around after this season.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Healthy and happy on September 21, 2022, 09:02:19 AM
Wow...talk about some wild speculative posts.  This appears to based on who and when they tweet???  Is there something missing here?
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on September 21, 2022, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: MRL_84 on September 20, 2022, 08:05:47 PMRonna wrestled for the RTC

RTC cuts women's wrestling

No UW coaches or training partners travel with Seth

It kind of reminds me of another assistant coach who was quietly sent on his way.

McDonough 2.0

Going to miss having Seth around after this season.

Coach Bono traveled to the World Championships and returned home for the Badger Wrestling Steak Fry on Friday, September 15th.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BuckyMatt on September 21, 2022, 03:44:54 PM
In fairness, Cael Sanderson didn't tweet once about any of the NLWC athletes at the World Championships!
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: MRL_84 on September 21, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on September 21, 2022, 03:44:54 PMIn fairness, Cael Sanderson didn't post once about any of the NLWC athletes at the World Championships!

The NLWC athletes did have Penn State/NLWC coaches in their corner and traveled with NLWC training partners.  Cael was listed as Zain's personal coach.  Bono traveled with Braxton and left days before Seth wrestled. Seth had Justin Koob listed as his personal coach and went out to train at Penn RTC a few weeks ago with Mckenna. 

All tournaments prior to the Worlds it was Bono and Reader in his corner and Barnett was his training partner.  It is odd that a few weeks before the biggest tournament of his career he has to change it all up and Bono leaves Serbia days before Seth wrestles? 
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BadgerOne on September 21, 2022, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: MRL_84 on September 21, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on September 21, 2022, 03:44:54 PMIn fairness, Cael Sanderson didn't post once about any of the NLWC athletes at the World Championships!

The NLWC athletes did have Penn State/NLWC coaches in their corner and traveled with NLWC training partners.  Cael was listed as Zain's personal coach.  Bono traveled with Braxton and left days before Seth wrestled. Seth had Justin Koob listed as his personal coach and went out to train at Penn RTC a few weeks ago with Mckenna. 

All tournaments prior to the Worlds it was Bono and Reader in his corner and Barnett was his training partner.  It is odd that a few weeks before the biggest tournament of his career he has to change it all up and Bono leaves Serbia days before Seth wrestles? 

Actually Bono didn't travel with Seth to Tunisia either and didn't post about Seth winning the gold in that tournament.  He was cornered by Zadick.  This isn't speculation... its facts. 
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BadgerOne on September 21, 2022, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 21, 2022, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: MRL_84 on September 21, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on September 21, 2022, 03:44:54 PMIn fairness, Cael Sanderson didn't post once about any of the NLWC athletes at the World Championships!

The NLWC athletes did have Penn State/NLWC coaches in their corner and traveled with NLWC training partners.  Cael was listed as Zain's personal coach.  Bono traveled with Braxton and left days before Seth wrestled. Seth had Justin Koob listed as his personal coach and went out to train at Penn RTC a few weeks ago with Mckenna. 

All tournaments prior to the Worlds it was Bono and Reader in his corner and Barnett was his training partner.  It is odd that a few weeks before the biggest tournament of his career he has to change it all up and Bono leaves Serbia days before Seth wrestles? 

Actually Bono didn't travel with Seth to Tunisia either and didn't post about Seth winning the gold in that tournament.  He was cornered by Zadick.  This isn't speculation... its facts.  Its certainly fair to wonder if Bono is pushing Seth out.  Does Seth even have a contract to coach at Wisconsin beyond this year?
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BadgerOne on September 21, 2022, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 21, 2022, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 21, 2022, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: MRL_84 on September 21, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on September 21, 2022, 03:44:54 PMIn fairness, Cael Sanderson didn't post once about any of the NLWC athletes at the World Championships!

The NLWC athletes did have Penn State/NLWC coaches in their corner and traveled with NLWC training partners.  Cael was listed as Zain's personal coach.  Bono traveled with Braxton and left days before Seth wrestled. Seth had Justin Koob listed as his personal coach and went out to train at Penn RTC a few weeks ago with Mckenna. 

All tournaments prior to the Worlds it was Bono and Reader in his corner and Barnett was his training partner.  It is odd that a few weeks before the biggest tournament of his career he has to change it all up and Bono leaves Serbia days before Seth wrestles? 

Actually Bono didn't travel with Seth to Tunisia either and didn't post about Seth winning the gold in that tournament.  He was cornered by Zadick.  This isn't speculation... its facts.  Its certainly fair to wonder if Bono is pushing Seth out.  Does Seth even have a contract to coach at Wisconsin beyond this year?  I was wondering when the steak fry was scheduled and if it was scheduled after Final X occurred, then it seems odd to schedule it on a date prior to the World Finals where Seth was slated to wrestle unless Bono didn't want to corner Seth and wanted an excuse.  Anybody know?
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: factfinder on September 22, 2022, 06:30:43 AM
Quote from: MRL_84 on September 21, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on September 21, 2022, 03:44:54 PMIn fairness, Cael Sanderson didn't post once about any of the NLWC athletes at the World Championships!

The NLWC athletes did have Penn State/NLWC coaches in their corner and traveled with NLWC training partners.  Cael was listed as Zain's personal coach.  Bono traveled with Braxton and left days before Seth wrestled. Seth had Justin Koob listed as his personal coach and went out to train at Penn RTC a few weeks ago with Mckenna. 

All tournaments prior to the Worlds it was Bono and Reader in his corner and Barnett was his training partner.  It is odd that a few weeks before the biggest tournament of his career he has to change it all up and Bono leaves Serbia days before Seth wrestles? 

Justin Koob is a coach at Augsburg and coaches Seths younger brother.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: asdf on September 22, 2022, 07:55:11 AM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on September 21, 2022, 03:44:54 PMIn fairness, Cael Sanderson didn't tweet once about any of the NLWC athletes at the World Championships!

In fairness, the NLWC tweeted constant updates and congratulations all week(end), other then 1 tweet about the schedule, the WRTC didn't tweet at all at the World Championship!

Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: MRL_84 on September 22, 2022, 08:27:05 AM

  Actually Bono didn't travel with Seth to Tunisia either and didn't post about Seth winning the gold in that tournament.  He was cornered by Zadick.  This isn't speculation... its facts. 
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Tunisia was in July, was that after Ronna wasn't able to train at the RTC anymore?


Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BadgerOne on September 22, 2022, 12:53:05 PM
Quote from: MRL_84 on September 22, 2022, 08:27:05 AMActually Bono didn't travel with Seth to Tunisia either and didn't post about Seth winning the gold in that tournament.  He was cornered by Zadick.  This isn't speculation... its facts. 

Tunisia was in July, was that after Ronna wasn't able to train at the RTC anymore?

Yes, I believe so, though I don't know the exact date or even month that Ronna was dismissed and/or lost financial support by WRTC as there was no announcement and just some social media chatter and some posts on here which I can't easily find anymore.


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Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: TomM on September 22, 2022, 01:53:20 PM
What exactly are people looking for here?

I'm not sure where to start.

Randomly speaking...

-- Cash is King! Unlimited funds allow for more support of more athletes and expansion of programs. There are a few (very few) fortunate established RTC's that have what amounts to nearly unlimited funds.

-- IF Coach Gross is moving on as a competitor in training (which I have no knowledge of, nor does anyone I know personally), you should know that wrestlers move around often. See recent moves by Snyder, Burroughs and numerous others. Maybe an elite athlete like Seth Gross may want to train with a slew of other elites. Very few RTC's have the funds to support multiple athletes and both men's and women's programs. I'd be sad to see him go, but pull for his success.

-- If you are a donor, why are you here on the forum asking these questions? Why not just call Chris Bono and ask him yourself. If you aren't a donor and don't want to support the program, why do you care? What's your point?

-- I'm invested in seeing the UW wrestling team/program be successful and relevant. I contribute what I can. I don't expect Coach Bono nor any of the coaches or RTC board members to inform me or consult me regarding the tough decisions they have to make.

-- I wasn't personally at the golf outing or the steak fry this year (first time in a long time I've missed either). Does that have some secret meaning? Sheesh.

-- I donate to the local humane society. Do they owe me an explanation for every dog they have adopted or send to a foster home?

-- Change happens in all things. Deal with it.

-- How many of those 'commenting' here actually contribute any significant funds to the effort? And if you expect to be on speed dial for all decisions because of your donation then get a job as a Big Ten wrestling coach.

-- The Badgers look to have FIVE returning All-Americans in the 2022-2023 lineup. There are exciting dual meets. There are Wisconsin kids starting on the team. The Badgers are truly competitive in just about every single dual meet. Good kids transfer into the UW to compete.

-- Come out from behind your screen name. Share your identity and experience and give us a reason and an explanation as to why you ask questions that seem to be accusatory and negative

A long time ago a wise person told me "The more successful you are, the less friends you will have in town."  Maybe it's true.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BuckyMatt on September 22, 2022, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: TomM on September 22, 2022, 01:53:20 PMWhat exactly are people looking for here?

I'm not sure where to start.

Randomly speaking...

-- Cash is King! Unlimited funds allow for more support of more athletes and expansion of programs. There are a few (very few) fortunate established RTC's that have what amounts to nearly unlimited funds.

-- IF Coach Gross is moving on as a competitor in training (which I have no knowledge of, nor does anyone I know personally), you should know that wrestlers move around often. See recent moves by Snyder, Burroughs and numerous others. Maybe an elite athlete like Seth Gross may want to train with a slew of other elites. Very few RTC's have the funds to support multiple athletes and both men's and women's programs. I'd be sad to see him go, but pull for his success.

-- If you are a donor, why are you here on the forum asking these questions? Why not just call Chris Bono and ask him yourself. If you aren't a donor and don't want to support the program, why do you care? What's your point?

-- I'm invested in seeing the UW wrestling team/program be successful and relevant. I contribute what I can. I don't expect Coach Bono nor any of the coaches or RTC board members to inform me or consult me regarding the tough decisions they have to make.

-- I wasn't personally at the golf outing or the steak fry this year (first time in a long time I've missed either). Does that have some secret meaning? Sheesh.

-- I donate to the local humane society. Do they owe me an explanation for every dog they have adopted or send to a foster home?

-- Change happens in all things. Deal with it.

-- How many of those 'commenting' here actually contribute any significant funds to the effort? And if you expect to be on speed dial for all decisions because of your donation then get a job as a Big Ten wrestling coach.

-- The Badgers look to have FIVE returning All-Americans in the 2022-2023 lineup. There are exciting dual meets. There are Wisconsin kids starting on the team. The Badgers are truly competitive in just about every single dual meet. Good kids transfer into the UW to compete.

-- Come out from behind your screen name. Share your identity and experience and give us a reason and an explanation as to why you ask questions that seem to be accusatory and negative

A long time ago a wise person told me "The more successful you are, the less friends you will have in town."  Maybe it's true.

GREAT post Tom!  Thank you for all you do for the wrestling community in Wisconsin!

Gotta love random anonymous posters who only register a week ago to stir the pot on negative Bono news.

P.S., I was at the wrestling room yesterday and Gross was in his office hard at work. Appeared happy (as he always does)..
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: bigoil on September 22, 2022, 03:25:37 PM
Why would a random new poster come on bashing a program (with their username being part of the program) from Out of State, that just seems odd.

As for Tom, I'm speculating he is working for the Illinois matmen now :)
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Healthy and happy on September 23, 2022, 08:40:06 AM
I guess I maybe see your point, if you want to look at issues from a glass have empty point of view.  UW athletics hires three individuals to run its wrestling program.   If Coach Bono is over seas with Seth for a week and Coach Reader is out recruiting, who do suggest run practices and carry on the daily duties of the wrestling program??   Coach Bono is in charge of 28-30 young men who have just started the fall semester and needs to make sure these 18-24 year olds are meeting their academic responsibilities and numerous other required AD obligations that occur at the start of a new season. 
I suggest to you that until you have sat in the chair of a person who has the responsibility of running a business/organization/department that you temper you criticism. You, me and most people in this forum have very little knowledge of the decisions that Coach Bono has to be make, some of which are very difficult, especially in the times of NIL and transfer portal. Makes sense?
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Coach V on September 23, 2022, 08:44:49 AM
Great post Tom !!!
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: vsmf2010 on September 26, 2022, 09:21:01 AM
Quote from: TomM on September 22, 2022, 01:53:20 PMyou should know that wrestlers move around often. See recent moves by Snyder, Burroughs and numerous others.

You did not even mention Kyle Dake. He won 4 NCAA championships, 4 World championships and an Olympic bronze for Cornell /Spartan Combat and he is leaving to go to the NLWC. World Champion Thomas Gilman left Iowa to go to NLWC. Speaking of Iowa they did not have a single RTC athlete at the world championships in freestyle and do not have anyone ranked in the top 20 P4P in domestic freestyle. Point being that outside of the NLWC no RTC really has a high number of world medal quality athletes and any of them could leave at anytime for situation they feel gives them the best chance to compete at the highest level. 
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BadgerOne on September 26, 2022, 10:53:59 AM
How are some of these situations comparable?  I don't think WRTC has any RTC athletes.  Gross is on the coaching staff and Amos is a student athlete on scholarship.  After the WRTC let go of the three women who it had previously supported, I don't think it has any athletes or any competing in world team opens.  All this cash and no athletes.  It is a bit of a stretch in my opinion to raise money with picture of Heaton (May tweet) and trumpeting Gross and Amos going to world championship as if the WRTC had much if anything to do with either.  It would be more honest to say WRTC is using  money to support college wrestlers, which appears the primary purpose of raising money.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: bigoil on September 26, 2022, 10:55:49 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 26, 2022, 10:53:59 AMHow are some of these situations comparable?  I don't think WRTC has any RTC athletes.  Gross is on the coaching staff and Amos is a student athlete on scholarship.  After the WRTC let go of the three women who it had previously supported, I don't think it has any athletes or any competing in world team opens.  All this cash and no athletes.  It is a bit of a stretch in my opinion to raise money with picture of Heaton (May tweet) and trumpeting Gross and Amos going to world championship as if the WRTC had much if anything to do with either.  It would be more honest to say WRTC is using  money to support college wrestlers, which appears the primary purpose of raising money.

If you were posting from WI you might know more but keep stirring the pot from your perch in California.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: MRL_84 on September 26, 2022, 04:07:32 PM
Quote from: bigoil on September 26, 2022, 10:55:49 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 26, 2022, 10:53:59 AMHow are some of these situations comparable?  I don't think WRTC has any RTC athletes.  Gross is on the coaching staff and Amos is a student athlete on scholarship.  After the WRTC let go of the three women who it had previously supported, I don't think it has any athletes or any competing in world team opens.  All this cash and no athletes.  It is a bit of a stretch in my opinion to raise money with picture of Heaton (May tweet) and trumpeting Gross and Amos going to world championship as if the WRTC had much if anything to do with either.  It would be more honest to say WRTC is using  money to support college wrestlers, which appears the primary purpose of raising money.

If you were posting from WI you might know more but keep stirring the pot from your perch in California.

Which part of BadgerOne's post wasn't true?  I heard the exact same thing. Due to the new NIL rules, RTC money is being used to support some of the college wrestlers.  I don't think it is a bad thing. I also don't think acknowledging it is stirring the pot.

There are several posts mentioning other wrestlers have left programs for new opportunities, and that is the nature of the business, etc.... leaving a program for new opportunities is significantly different than having your resources cut just before the World Championships and being forced out for questioning the decision to not let Ronna train at the RTC. 

Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Ghetto on September 26, 2022, 09:42:27 PM
We go round and round with the RTC. The truth of it is it doesn't matter who the head coach is, the wrestling fans of this state aren't coming out their pockets to actually fund a functioning RTC.

Does anyone think that Bono and Reader wouldn't want to keep Gross happy by keeping Ronna funded at the RTC? They aren't dumb. Why do you think they funded her in the first place?

Not only does the NLWC have the best athletes, they have the most money. Ever go to NCAAs? Their program gets a coach bus and they roll together in style. The number of Badger fans would fit in my pickup.

Quit pretending like you care if you aren't trying to be part of the solution.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: bigoil on September 26, 2022, 10:31:40 PM
Quote from: MRL_84 on September 26, 2022, 04:07:32 PM
Quote from: bigoil on September 26, 2022, 10:55:49 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 26, 2022, 10:53:59 AMHow are some of these situations comparable?  I don't think WRTC has any RTC athletes.  Gross is on the coaching staff and Amos is a student athlete on scholarship.  After the WRTC let go of the three women who it had previously supported, I don't think it has any athletes or any competing in world team opens.  All this cash and no athletes.  It is a bit of a stretch in my opinion to raise money with picture of Heaton (May tweet) and trumpeting Gross and Amos going to world championship as if the WRTC had much if anything to do with either.  It would be more honest to say WRTC is using  money to support college wrestlers, which appears the primary purpose of raising money.

If you were posting from WI you might know more but keep stirring the pot from your perch in California.

Which part of BadgerOne's post wasn't true?  I heard the exact same thing. Due to the new NIL rules, RTC money is being used to support some of the college wrestlers.  I don't think it is a bad thing. I also don't think acknowledging it is stirring the pot.

There are several posts mentioning other wrestlers have left programs for new opportunities, and that is the nature of the business, etc.... leaving a program for new opportunities is significantly different than having your resources cut just before the World Championships and being forced out for questioning the decision to not let Ronna train at the RTC. 


His series of posts and now your posts are inaccurate and full of innuendo.

Amos is a Badger and hence an RTC athlete. Who pays for his coaches to travel? Gross is supported by RTC in many ways and to insinuate that he is being forced out is ludicrous. Seth is an awesome human being and loved by Coach Bono and Coach Reader.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BadgerOne on September 26, 2022, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: bigoil on September 26, 2022, 10:31:40 PM
Quote from: MRL_84 on September 26, 2022, 04:07:32 PM
Quote from: bigoil on September 26, 2022, 10:55:49 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on September 26, 2022, 10:53:59 AMHow are some of these situations comparable?  I don't think WRTC has any RTC athletes.  Gross is on the coaching staff and Amos is a student athlete on scholarship.  After the WRTC let go of the three women who it had previously supported, I don't think it has any athletes or any competing in world team opens.  All this cash and no athletes.  It is a bit of a stretch in my opinion to raise money with picture of Heaton (May tweet) and trumpeting Gross and Amos going to world championship as if the WRTC had much if anything to do with either.  It would be more honest to say WRTC is using  money to support college wrestlers, which appears the primary purpose of raising money.

If you were posting from WI you might know more but keep stirring the pot from your perch in California.

Which part of BadgerOne's post wasn't true?  I heard the exact same thing. Due to the new NIL rules, RTC money is being used to support some of the college wrestlers.  I don't think it is a bad thing. I also don't think acknowledging it is stirring the pot.

There are several posts mentioning other wrestlers have left programs for new opportunities, and that is the nature of the business, etc.... leaving a program for new opportunities is significantly different than having your resources cut just before the World Championships and being forced out for questioning the decision to not let Ronna train at the RTC. 


His series of posts and now your posts are inaccurate and full of innuendo.

Amos is a Badger and hence an RTC athlete. Who pays for his coaches to travel? Gross is supported by RTC in many ways and to insinuate that he is being forced out is ludicrous. Seth is an awesome human being and loved by Coach Bono and Coach Reader.

Badger, ergo RTC athlete.  Sorry I missed the logic there.  Who pays...good question... could be USA Wrestling and/or Sunkist Kids and so I'm not sure the WRTC had to pay anything related to the World Championships.  I agree with you that Seth is an awesome human being and I hope Seth stays in Wisconsin but I doubt removing his wife from the WRTC helps.
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BuckyMatt on September 27, 2022, 03:03:44 AM
Quote from: TomM on September 22, 2022, 01:53:20 PMWhat exactly are people looking for here?

I'm not sure where to start.

Randomly speaking...

-- Cash is King! Unlimited funds allow for more support of more athletes and expansion of programs. There are a few (very few) fortunate established RTC's that have what amounts to nearly unlimited funds.

-- IF Coach Gross is moving on as a competitor in training (which I have no knowledge of, nor does anyone I know personally), you should know that wrestlers move around often. See recent moves by Snyder, Burroughs and numerous others. Maybe an elite athlete like Seth Gross may want to train with a slew of other elites. Very few RTC's have the funds to support multiple athletes and both men's and women's programs. I'd be sad to see him go, but pull for his success.

-- If you are a donor, why are you here on the forum asking these questions? Why not just call Chris Bono and ask him yourself. If you aren't a donor and don't want to support the program, why do you care? What's your point?

-- I'm invested in seeing the UW wrestling team/program be successful and relevant. I contribute what I can. I don't expect Coach Bono nor any of the coaches or RTC board members to inform me or consult me regarding the tough decisions they have to make.

-- I wasn't personally at the golf outing or the steak fry this year (first time in a long time I've missed either). Does that have some secret meaning? Sheesh.

-- I donate to the local humane society. Do they owe me an explanation for every dog they have adopted or send to a foster home?

-- Change happens in all things. Deal with it.

-- How many of those 'commenting' here actually contribute any significant funds to the effort? And if you expect to be on speed dial for all decisions because of your donation then get a job as a Big Ten wrestling coach.

-- The Badgers look to have FIVE returning All-Americans in the 2022-2023 lineup. There are exciting dual meets. There are Wisconsin kids starting on the team. The Badgers are truly competitive in just about every single dual meet. Good kids transfer into the UW to compete.

-- Come out from behind your screen name. Share your identity and experience and give us a reason and an explanation as to why you ask questions that seem to be accusatory and negative

A long time ago a wise person told me "The more successful you are, the less friends you will have in town."  Maybe it's true.

BadgerOne
Please re-read Tom's response.  It is the perfect answer to your obvious posting agenda.

And please answer the question of why a person in California would register an account to so obviously stir the pot on Coach Bono and how the RTC is spending it's money?  Who in California cares ???  ???   ???
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: asdf on September 27, 2022, 06:36:25 AM
1) People can be passionate fans for the Badgers AND live outside the beautiful state of WI.  Didn't know there was some rule that you can't have an opinion if not living in WI.
2) People can be passionate fans for the Badger AND have a different approach, views, and communication style then the 3-4 people that are jumping all over this guy/gal. You know glass half full/half empty type stuff.
3) People can lurk on this forum for years before deciding to register and comment.  I never understand how everyone on here jumps on people with these "nice to see you just registered...nice to see you have only posted 4x, etc."  Didn't know the rule had to be your opinion matters only if you post daily.
4) Can't believe I am going to type this--I miss Luke Louison being on this forum.


Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: BuckyMatt on September 27, 2022, 09:28:26 AM
Quote from: asdf on September 27, 2022, 06:36:25 AM1) People can be passionate fans for the Badgers AND live outside the beautiful state of WI.  Didn't know there was some rule that you can't have an opinion if not living in WI.
2) People can be passionate fans for the Badger AND have a different approach, views, and communication style then the 3-4 people that are jumping all over this guy/gal. You know glass half full/half empty type stuff.
3) People can lurk on this forum for years before deciding to register and comment.  I never understand how everyone on here jumps on people with these "nice to see you just registered...nice to see you have only posted 4x, etc."  Didn't know the rule had to be your opinion matters only if you post daily.
4) Can't believe I am going to type this--I miss Luke Louison being on this forum.




Misinformation is all around us.  From the news today : https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-technology-social-media-misinformation-05d147b128c48bfa23705409448b7bbc

TomM is the administrator here and can see all of our logins and email addresses. HE does not guarantee anonymity.  If you go back to the post on the Braeden Scoles commitment, Tom calls out multiple people who were registering multiple accounts under the same email address and having "conversations" with themselves in order to further their agenda.

In this day and age, questioning an ANONYMOUS new posters intent and agenda is absolutely necessary, whether it's pro-Bono or anti-Bono. We need to think for ourselves "WHY" is this person posting what they are posting.  Being anonymous gives too much power to just post whatever you want, true or not, misinformation or not.  If this California person would post their true identity, we could judge their perspective easier (exactly what TOM said in his post on this topic)

Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: vsmf2010 on September 27, 2022, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: asdf on September 27, 2022, 06:36:25 AM4) Can't believe I am going to type this--I miss Luke Louison being on this forum.

That is some funny S**t!  ;D
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Healthy and happy on September 27, 2022, 11:26:30 AM
You have plenty of college student athletes that compete for an RTC somewhere, like Braxton.  The names that come to mind are Yanni and Gable the last few years.  If I remember correctly didn't Synder win a World and Olympic gold under the RTC umbrella while competing at OSU?  I would say the same is true for the few guys who are college coaches and are still competing internationally under some RTC, Tony Ramos comes to mind along with Seth.  So I guess some have the right to say this is just stirring the pot
Title: Re: Coach Gross at the World Championships
Post by: Harris on September 27, 2022, 08:12:11 PM
The RTC posted a picture today with Bono and Gross arm in arm after practice with the RTC athletes on twitter.  Great photo!