completely a guess
25 Barnett
33 Burwick or Bobzien
41 Zargo
49 Gomez
57 Model if he comes back or Cody Anderson
65 Hamiti
74 Rowley
84 Transfer
97 Amos/Empey
H Hillger if he comes back or Christiensen or Amos
I would guess Burwick again at 133, but i think Rivera has a better chance at 133 than Bobzien right now.
Need major improvement from 174-HWT.
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I would guess Burwick again at 133, but i think Rivera has a better chance at 133 than Bobzien right now.
Need major improvement from 174-HWT.
Good call with Rivera!
I would expect Graham Calhoun and/or Tyler Dow to be in the mix at 174 or 184 as well as Cale Anderson, Drew Scharenbrock and Aidan Medora at 157 if Model is not back. Also I have no idea if Mikey Tal Shahar can make 184 but he could be a factor there possibly.
Of course the transfer portal could change any and all of those weights.
Transfer portal will be very interesting. If you get a 4th/5th year could you see incoming at 133, 157, 174 and 184? I will never be against Rivera, Bobzien, Rowley and others redshirting.
All I know is I was happy with this year. We all want more, but I guarantee the coaches and wrestlers want it even more than us.
I know some say we will never get to be a consistent top 5 program. I am still holding out hope. I like the culture we are created. Bono Reader and Gross walk the walk. I believe in them.
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completely a guess
25 Barnett
33 Burwick or Bobzien
41 Zargo
49 Gomez
57 Model if he comes back or Cody Anderson
65 Hamiti
74 Rowley
84 Transfer
97 Amos/Empey
H Hillger if he comes back or Christiensen or Amos
Scharenbrock at 157, Calhoun at 174 and Dow at 174 or 184 will be in the mix.
Burwick will be pushed at 133 for sure. Rotondo will still be there also I believe.
Model accepted his Senior award so pretty sure he is not coming back. Coach Bono has indicated previously Trent will be coming back, and he did not accept any Senior Awards.
Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
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Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
True he did wrestle at 182 for his home state stuff bet we was down for the national events. He wrestled at 173 at Doc B in January and at 175 at the Walsh Ironman in December. I think he could be at either 174 or 184 for the UW.
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Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
True he did wrestle at 182 for his home state stuff bet we was down for the national events. He wrestled at 173 at Doc B in January and at 175 at the Walsh Ironman in December. I think he could be at either 174 or 184 for the UW.
He should definitely avoid the weight class with the stud from Penn State.... ;D
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Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
True he did wrestle at 182 for his home state stuff bet we was down for the national events. He wrestled at 173 at Doc B in January and at 175 at the Walsh Ironman in December. I think he could be at either 174 or 184 for the UW.
He should definitely avoid the weight class with the stud from Penn State.... ;D
He'd have to drop to 165 or go all the way to heavy to avoid a Penn State national champ.
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Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
True he did wrestle at 182 for his home state stuff bet we was down for the national events. He wrestled at 173 at Doc B in January and at 175 at the Walsh Ironman in December. I think he could be at either 174 or 184 for the UW.
He should definitely avoid the weight class with the stud from Penn State.... ;D
He'd have to drop to 165 or go all the way to heavy to avoid a Penn State national champ.
LOL...yes, I was kidding. And with those 3 returning, I also think they probably have the 2023 HWT NC in their room at the moment. I'll take Kerkvliet. Not to mention, Penn State has had just ONE #1 overall recruiting class in the last 5 years IIRC...and they were Freshmen this year. So that Penn State team should actually be better next year.
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Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
True he did wrestle at 182 for his home state stuff bet we was down for the national events. He wrestled at 173 at Doc B in January and at 175 at the Walsh Ironman in December. I think he could be at either 174 or 184 for the UW.
He should definitely avoid the weight class with the stud from Penn State.... ;D
He'd have to drop to 165 or go all the way to heavy to avoid a Penn State national champ.
LOL...yes, I was kidding. And with those 3 returning, I also think they probably have the 2023 HWT NC in their room at the moment. I'll take Kerkvliet. Not to mention, Penn State has had just ONE #1 overall recruiting class in the last 5 years IIRC...and they were Freshmen this year. So that Penn State team should actually be better next year.
They need to recruit Pennsylvania better
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Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
True he did wrestle at 182 for his home state stuff bet we was down for the national events. He wrestled at 173 at Doc B in January and at 175 at the Walsh Ironman in December. I think he could be at either 174 or 184 for the UW.
He should definitely avoid the weight class with the stud from Penn State.... ;D
He'd have to drop to 165 or go all the way to heavy to avoid a Penn State national champ.
LOL...yes, I was kidding. And with those 3 returning, I also think they probably have the 2023 HWT NC in their room at the moment. I'll take Kerkvliet. Not to mention, Penn State has had just ONE #1 overall recruiting class in the last 5 years IIRC...and they were Freshmen this year. So that Penn State team should actually be better next year.
They need to recruit Pennsylvania better
;D ;D ;D
They did let Spencer Lee get away!
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Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
True he did wrestle at 182 for his home state stuff bet we was down for the national events. He wrestled at 173 at Doc B in January and at 175 at the Walsh Ironman in December. I think he could be at either 174 or 184 for the UW.
He should definitely avoid the weight class with the stud from Penn State.... ;D
He'd have to drop to 165 or go all the way to heavy to avoid a Penn State national champ.
LOL...yes, I was kidding. And with those 3 returning, I also think they probably have the 2023 HWT NC in their room at the moment. I'll take Kerkvliet. Not to mention, Penn State has had just ONE #1 overall recruiting class in the last 5 years IIRC...and they were Freshmen this year. So that Penn State team should actually be better next year.
They may clinch before the semis next year. Michigan kept it close but they are losing alot. I think PSU is only losing Hildebrandt and Lee (have no idea is Berge will be back but he does have eligibility remaining) I expect Bartlett will move down to 141 and they have some pretty salty redshirts coming in at 149 Van Ness (may be hurt though) and 165 Facundo and the transfer portal will be kind to them I am sure if they have any holes. I agree on Kerk. He is starting to look really good and would be my preseason favorite for next year.
Be interesting to see who or if anyone redshirts. Almost all of our young starters have redshirts available-Barnett, Zargo, Hamiti, and Amos.
Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
I have always believed this to be a good policy. I think it is even better nowadays with the high occurrence of transferring.
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 21, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
I gotcha, back to back standard redshirt and olympic redshirt. That seems pretty unlikely but you never know.
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
But IF he is moving to HWT would make sense. He could redshirt with Hillger coming back, take an Olympic year to focus on Freco and then come back at HWT.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
I gotcha, back to back standard redshirt and olympic redshirt. That seems pretty unlikely but you never know.
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
But IF he is moving to HWT would make sense. He could redshirt with Hillger coming back, take an Olympic year to focus on Freco and then come back at HWT.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
I gotcha, back to back standard redshirt and olympic redshirt. That seems pretty unlikely but you never know.
Certainly could be a possibility but that would be a long time to be away from Folkstyle. I have not chimed in on the BA to HWT discussion because I have no knowledge of any plans whatsoever but I would be surprised.
I know Kyle Snyder did it and they have similar frames/builds but he is Captain America and I think the HWT division is a little different now than one Snyder moved up. I could be wrong. Would not be the first time. Not even the first time I was wrong today. ;D
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
But IF he is moving to HWT would make sense. He could redshirt with Hillger coming back, take an Olympic year to focus on Freco and then come back at HWT.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
I gotcha, back to back standard redshirt and olympic redshirt. That seems pretty unlikely but you never know.
Certainly could be a possibility but that would be a long time to be away from Folkstyle. I have not chimed in on the BA to HWT discussion because I have no knowledge of any plans whatsoever but I would be surprised.
I know Kyle Snyder did it and they have similar frames/builds but he is Captain America and I think the HWT division is a little different now than one Snyder moved up. I could be wrong. Would not be the first time. Not even the first time I was wrong today. ;D
LOL same here just throwing it out there. Would allow for 2 years of building his body up. If he is going 197 it obviously doesn't make sense at all.
I don't see Rivera at 33 without a redshirt. He would be a very small 33 next year.
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I don't see Rivera at 33 without a redshirt. He would be a very small 33 next year.
Agree, Rivera seems more naturally suited for 125, though I don't know his true off-season size. Maybe Barnett would jump to 133, but likely not.
I see Rivera redshirting and wrestling behind Burwick/Barnett or another wrestler.
Hilger just tweeted that he will be back in 2022-23.
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Hilger just tweeted that he will be back in 2022-23.
Yes!
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Hilger just tweeted that he will be back in 2022-23.
Great news!
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
But IF he is moving to HWT would make sense. He could redshirt with Hillger coming back, take an Olympic year to focus on Freco and then come back at HWT.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
I gotcha, back to back standard redshirt and olympic redshirt. That seems pretty unlikely but you never know.
Certainly could be a possibility but that would be a long time to be away from Folkstyle. I have not chimed in on the BA to HWT discussion because I have no knowledge of any plans whatsoever but I would be surprised.
I know Kyle Snyder did it and they have similar frames/builds but he is Captain America and I think the HWT division is a little different now than one Snyder moved up. I could be wrong. Would not be the first time. Not even the first time I was wrong today. ;D
There's talk about Ferrari moving up to HWT. A Ferrari-Kerlkvliet matchup(even though I know I'm bypassing Schultz, Cass, Parris among others) would be absolutely must see. Not sure how big Ferrari is...I only know he is a very shy, understated kid who from what I can tell skips leg day!
We gotta remember, just 15 months ago people were talking about Amos being a class above Ferrari...and it wasn't because Ferrari wasn't a stud. So I'd love to see him focused on Freestyle between this year and next and hopefully take that big leap from year 1 to year 2. He was just SO close to pretty much every elite kid he wrestled, it's not envision things clicking for him and him having a big year next year.
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
But IF he is moving to HWT would make sense. He could redshirt with Hillger coming back, take an Olympic year to focus on Freco and then come back at HWT.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
I gotcha, back to back standard redshirt and olympic redshirt. That seems pretty unlikely but you never know.
Certainly could be a possibility but that would be a long time to be away from Folkstyle. I have not chimed in on the BA to HWT discussion because I have no knowledge of any plans whatsoever but I would be surprised.
I know Kyle Snyder did it and they have similar frames/builds but he is Captain America and I think the HWT division is a little different now than one Snyder moved up. I could be wrong. Would not be the first time. Not even the first time I was wrong today. ;D
There's talk about Ferrari moving up to HWT. A Ferrari-Kerlkvliet matchup(even though I know I'm bypassing Schultz, Cass, Parris among others) would be absolutely must see. Not sure how big Ferrari is...I only know he is a very shy, understated kid who from what I can tell skips leg day!
We gotta remember, just 15 months ago people were talking about Amos being a class above Ferrari...and it wasn't because Ferrari wasn't a stud. So I'd love to see him focused on Freestyle between this year and next and hopefully take that big leap from year 1 to year 2. He was just SO close to pretty much every elite kid he wrestled, it's not envision things clicking for him and him having a big year next year.
Will be interesting if he goes 92kg=202lbs or 97kg=213. Dudley is currently ranked #5 at 92 kg and Amos beat him.
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
But IF he is moving to HWT would make sense. He could redshirt with Hillger coming back, take an Olympic year to focus on Freco and then come back at HWT.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
I gotcha, back to back standard redshirt and olympic redshirt. That seems pretty unlikely but you never know.
Certainly could be a possibility but that would be a long time to be away from Folkstyle. I have not chimed in on the BA to HWT discussion because I have no knowledge of any plans whatsoever but I would be surprised.
I know Kyle Snyder did it and they have similar frames/builds but he is Captain America and I think the HWT division is a little different now than one Snyder moved up. I could be wrong. Would not be the first time. Not even the first time I was wrong today. ;D
There's talk about Ferrari moving up to HWT. A Ferrari-Kerlkvliet matchup(even though I know I'm bypassing Schultz, Cass, Parris among others) would be absolutely must see. Not sure how big Ferrari is...I only know he is a very shy, understated kid who from what I can tell skips leg day!
We gotta remember, just 15 months ago people were talking about Amos being a class above Ferrari...and it wasn't because Ferrari wasn't a stud. So I'd love to see him focused on Freestyle between this year and next and hopefully take that big leap from year 1 to year 2. He was just SO close to pretty much every elite kid he wrestled, it's not envision things clicking for him and him having a big year next year.
Will be interesting if he goes 92kg=202lbs or 97kg=213. Dudley is currently ranked #5 at 92 kg and Amos beat him.
I was wondering that too but with him wrestling greco as well that creates an issue. I do not see him going down to 87 for greco so it would be a bit strange to be at 92 for FS and 97 for GR. Unfortunate that the weights are not the same.
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Hilger just tweeted that he will be back in 2022-23.
Excellent, I hope they get someone in to really push him and train with him. Grateful for Newton but Trent needs a little more IMO
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Coach Bono said in an interview preseason that he is going to put his best lineup out there every season and that was no longer going to hold anything back. Interesting to see if that holds true.
But IF he is moving to HWT would make sense. He could redshirt with Hillger coming back, take an Olympic year to focus on Freco and then come back at HWT.
It's kinda wild, but the Olympics are coming up the year after next. Amos being a Bronze Medalist at the U23 World Championships I THINK would make him eligible already. I could be wrong on that, but in any event, you could run the risk of going two years without Amos competing at the College level...and at that point, who knows if he comes back, if he's invested in Folkstyle or the program.
Why would it be 2 years? If eligible for an Olympic redshirt that would be the 23-24 season correct? Maybe I am missing something.
The most important for the program is to show that their guys are developing and they're moving in the right direction more than anything else at this point and hopefully Amos is a big part of that.
The suggestion was made that maybe the Badgers would redshirt some of their younger guys who still have a redshirt available this next year. Amos is one of those guys. So if you did that next season, the following year would be the Olympic year. That's why I wouldn't entertain redshirting him from my perspective.
I gotcha, back to back standard redshirt and olympic redshirt. That seems pretty unlikely but you never know.
Certainly could be a possibility but that would be a long time to be away from Folkstyle. I have not chimed in on the BA to HWT discussion because I have no knowledge of any plans whatsoever but I would be surprised.
I know Kyle Snyder did it and they have similar frames/builds but he is Captain America and I think the HWT division is a little different now than one Snyder moved up. I could be wrong. Would not be the first time. Not even the first time I was wrong today. ;D
There's talk about Ferrari moving up to HWT. A Ferrari-Kerlkvliet matchup(even though I know I'm bypassing Schultz, Cass, Parris among others) would be absolutely must see. Not sure how big Ferrari is...I only know he is a very shy, understated kid who from what I can tell skips leg day!
We gotta remember, just 15 months ago people were talking about Amos being a class above Ferrari...and it wasn't because Ferrari wasn't a stud. So I'd love to see him focused on Freestyle between this year and next and hopefully take that big leap from year 1 to year 2. He was just SO close to pretty much every elite kid he wrestled, it's not envision things clicking for him and him having a big year next year.
Will be interesting if he goes 92kg=202lbs or 97kg=213. Dudley is currently ranked #5 at 92 kg and Amos beat him.
I would be curious to hear how much he's cutting. If he's coming down from 215 or so, just go 97, take the season off from cutting. Or maybe he's walking around at 210 and ~202 isn't that much of a cut.
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Rowley wrestled at 182 this year so I would expect him at 184.
True he did wrestle at 182 for his home state stuff bet we was down for the national events. He wrestled at 173 at Doc B in January and at 175 at the Walsh Ironman in December. I think he could be at either 174 or 184 for the UW.
He just tweeted and it looks like he is planning on 184.
https://twitter.com/TheGOATFollower/status/1507498050964447235
I see and hear of lots of activity on the transfer portal for other sports. What is being talked about for wrestling? Who could be available?
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I see and hear of lots of activity on the transfer portal for other sports. What is being talked about for wrestling? Who could be available?
Real Woods is going to Iowa
Kennedy Monday is in the portal at 174 and there was a little bit of rumbling about the UW. Rocky Jordan at 184 is interesting as well.
Could Rowley go down to 174 and then we get Rocky Jordan in at 184
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Kennedy Monday is in the portal at 174 and there was a little bit of rumbling about the UW. Rocky Jordan at 184 is interesting as well.
Badgers were not in the final 4 for Monday.
I see Cody Anderson is leaving.
Badgers could really use a 157, 174, and 184 from the portal. Wouldn't mind Joe Heilman from UNC to come in at 133. Rocky Jordan has a ton of upside at 184.
Seems like the Badgers should have a little inroads on Jordan with the family history to the program.
Just asked coach Bono about Garrett Model and he said the plan is he is coming back which is awesome news.
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I see Cody Anderson is leaving.
Badgers could really use a 157, 174, and 184 from the portal. Wouldn't mind Joe Heilman from UNC to come in at 133. Rocky Jordan has a ton of upside at 184.
Cale Anderson posted he wants to be a National Champ, love the thought process!
Quote from: Harris on April 04, 2022, 02:59:07 PM
Just asked coach Bono about Garrett Model and he said the plan is he is coming back which is awesome news.
That would be good for the team. Also saw Tate Samuelson from Wyoming entered the portal. He may be a good fit in the upper weights. Also Wyatt Henson 141 Iowa is in the portal. He has had some good results.
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Just asked coach Bono about Garrett Model and he said the plan is he is coming back which is awesome news.
That would be good for the team. Also saw Tate Samuelson from Wyoming entered the portal. He may be a good fit in the upper weights. Also Wyatt Henson 141 Iowa is in the portal. He has had some good results.
Where would Wyatt Henson go in the line up? I would be very happy with Tate Samuelson or Rocky Jordan.
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Just asked coach Bono about Garrett Model and he said the plan is he is coming back which is awesome news.
That would be good for the team. Also saw Tate Samuelson from Wyoming entered the portal. He may be a good fit in the upper weights. Also Wyatt Henson 141 Iowa is in the portal. He has had some good results.
Where would Wyatt Henson go in the line up? I would be very happy with Tate Samuelson or Rocky Jordan.
Not saying he fits in the lineup, but he is a really solid wrestler in the portal. Hawkeye report put Henson at a 133 in their lineup preview thread.
In this day of the NIL, many of the transfers are looking for money to sign with a team. It was rumored that Real Woods received 6 figures to go to Iowa. I also heard a rumor both Suriano and Max Dean received 6 figures to go to Michigan and Penn State. Jesse Mendez supposedly received 6 figures from Ohio State and that's a high school recruit.
If we want top transfers (and recruits) to come here, we need to get money to the RTC so they can pay these NIL deals.
Signing up for Rokfin to watch the WRTC/German match or even attending in person would be a great way to get money to the RTC
NIL will be really important going forward. Future contributions to the RTC will need to focus on high school athletes and transfers and not the traditional RTC athletes who used up college eligibilty.
To keep up with the other programs, I hope the RTC focuses on that going forward.
Donating money to the RTC is technically separate to any NIL opportunities correct? For NIL money to come into play for example we need a local business to sign an athlete to an endorsement deal, like how Iron Joc signed UW football RB Braelon Allen. Or an autograph session could be set up where people pay money for an autograph; then said autograph money would go to the athlete.
Unless a way around it is to have the athlete endorse the RTC. "Hi I'm Real Woods. You need to come wrestle for the WRTC". Then the RTC pays him NIL money for his efforts. So maybe donating to the RTC could help.....
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In this day of the NIL, many of the transfers are looking for money to sign with a team. It was rumored that Real Woods received 6 figures to go to Iowa. I also heard a rumor both Suriano and Max Dean received 6 figures to go to Michigan and Penn State. Jesse Mendez supposedly received 6 figures from Ohio State and that's a high school recruit.
If we want top transfers (and recruits) to come here, we need to get money to the RTC so they can pay these NIL deals.
Signing up for Rokfin to watch the WRTC/German match or even attending in person would be a great way to get money to the RTC
That's Real money. Pun intended.
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Quote from: BuckyMatt on April 05, 2022, 07:34:58 PM
In this day of the NIL, many of the transfers are looking for money to sign with a team. It was rumored that Real Woods received 6 figures to go to Iowa. I also heard a rumor both Suriano and Max Dean received 6 figures to go to Michigan and Penn State. Jesse Mendez supposedly received 6 figures from Ohio State and that's a high school recruit.
If we want top transfers (and recruits) to come here, we need to get money to the RTC so they can pay these NIL deals.
Signing up for Rokfin to watch the WRTC/German match or even attending in person would be a great way to get money to the RTC
That's Real money. Pun intended.
NIL money seems to be primarily acting as scholarship money when you are out of scholarships to offer. Elite transfers get a bonus.
Based on the recent news, it seems like some of the top programs (Iowa, michigan, etc) have boosters that are trying to recruit AAs from other programs with NIL money. Seems crazy and shady.
UW will have to be proactive with NIL opportunities for our current athletes and future recruits (within the rules). In my opinion, future $ will be going to athletes with NCAA eligibility. P rost graduate athletes will have a hard time getting $ through RTCsvgoing forward. It will likely hurt our overall greco and freestyle teams as athletes will likely not have as much opportunity to get paid after college.
Anthony Montalvo 184 OK State is in the portal. He would be a great add and believe he has 2 years of eligibility left.
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Just asked coach Bono about Garrett Model and he said the plan is he is coming back which is awesome news.
That would be good for the team. Also saw Tate Samuelson from Wyoming entered the portal. He may be a good fit in the upper weights. Also Wyatt Henson 141 Iowa is in the portal. He has had some good results.
Where would Wyatt Henson go in the line up? I would be very happy with Tate Samuelson or Rocky Jordan.
Henson is the type of kid who'll fit in just about any lineup. Had a really impressive RS Freshmen year. Two losses to top ~10 guys in Hart from Missouri and Alirez, the #5 seed this year 1-0. Alirez beat Zargo 8-0 at the D1s...we all know the transitive property doesn't work in Wrestling, but it does at least give you a barometer of where he stands. As does his win over Kinner from Rider. Pretty sound victory over a top 20 Wrestler.
Zargo has 3 years, Henson has 4. Even if you think Henson is better than Zargo right now(and not saying he is)...do you really want to recruit over a young, really impressive looking young guy when you're trying to build a foundation? Not a rhetorical question, I really don't know the answer. Obviously if you're Iowa, PSU, ASU, you probably do. If you're a team in that 10-20 range trying to move up, is it better to prove you can develop guys and stick with the kid who's been there, who's already went through a full B1G season?
So unless Zargo can cut to 133...which I'm gonna guess even if he physically could, it wouldn't be very good for his Wrestling, the only way this works is if Gomez was to go up to 157 of his own volition, you'd just be replacing a kid coming off a really impressive Freshmen season.
Rocky Jordan does make more sense. I think he can go '74 or '84 and was at '84 more because of Smith and then Romero at 65 and 74 until he got squeezed out this year.
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Just asked coach Bono about Garrett Model and he said the plan is he is coming back which is awesome news.
That would be good for the team. Also saw Tate Samuelson from Wyoming entered the portal. He may be a good fit in the upper weights. Also Wyatt Henson 141 Iowa is in the portal. He has had some good results.
Where would Wyatt Henson go in the line up? I would be very happy with Tate Samuelson or Rocky Jordan.
Not saying he fits in the lineup, but he is a really solid wrestler in the portal. Hawkeye report put Henson at a 133 in their lineup preview thread.
Well...ok. I guess that's the answer then. 133 if he wants to cut. He is a shorter guy...won his last State Title at 145 I believe, but it's not rare for a guy to Wrestle up a weight during his RS year. So if he was at 141 this past year, maybe 133 is plausible. A couple years there and then Zargo and he both move up a weight?
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Just asked coach Bono about Garrett Model and he said the plan is he is coming back which is awesome news.
That would be good for the team. Also saw Tate Samuelson from Wyoming entered the portal. He may be a good fit in the upper weights. Also Wyatt Henson 141 Iowa is in the portal. He has had some good results.
Where would Wyatt Henson go in the line up? I would be very happy with Tate Samuelson or Rocky Jordan.
Not saying he fits in the lineup, but he is a really solid wrestler in the portal. Hawkeye report put Henson at a 133 in their lineup preview thread.
Well...ok. I guess that's the answer then. 133 if he wants to cut. He is a shorter guy...won his last State Title at 145 I believe, but it's not rare for a guy to Wrestle up a weight during his RS year. So if he was at 141 this past year, maybe 133 is plausible. A couple years there and then Zargo and he both move up a weight?
Seems like he had the inside track to be the Iowa 133 next year so I would have thought he does not want to cut to 133 or he would have stayed put. May be more to the story but my sense is he will not be at 133. I also have not seen that he is linked to WI so I do not think he will be coming here but I have been surprised before.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on April 05, 2022, 07:34:58 PM
In this day of the NIL, many of the transfers are looking for money to sign with a team. It was rumored that Real Woods received 6 figures to go to Iowa. I also heard a rumor both Suriano and Max Dean received 6 figures to go to Michigan and Penn State. Jesse Mendez supposedly received 6 figures from Ohio State and that's a high school recruit.
If we want top transfers (and recruits) to come here, we need to get money to the RTC so they can pay these NIL deals.
Signing up for Rokfin to watch the WRTC/German match or even attending in person would be a great way to get money to the RTC
Max Dean went to Penn for free, they didn't even recruit him!!! Max wanted to go there to win a title.
Jessy Mendez was offered money (NIL) to stay in state at Indiana, not so sure about Ohio?
I know D1 champions signing shoe deals for well under 5000.00, not sure there is real money out there?
The coaches are voting soon to prohibit HS athletes from training at RTC's and to put rules inlace to insure RTC's are not paying out NIL money like we saw this year with Michigan.
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Quote from: BuckyMatt on April 05, 2022, 07:34:58 PM
In this day of the NIL, many of the transfers are looking for money to sign with a team. It was rumored that Real Woods received 6 figures to go to Iowa. I also heard a rumor both Suriano and Max Dean received 6 figures to go to Michigan and Penn State. Jesse Mendez supposedly received 6 figures from Ohio State and that's a high school recruit.
If we want top transfers (and recruits) to come here, we need to get money to the RTC so they can pay these NIL deals.
Signing up for Rokfin to watch the WRTC/German match or even attending in person would be a great way to get money to the RTC
Max Dean went to Penn for free, they didn't even recruit him!!! Max wanted to go there to win a title.
Jessy Mendez was offered money (NIL) to stay in state at Indiana, not so sure about Ohio?
I know D1 champions signing shoe deals for well under 5000.00, not sure there is real money out there?
The coaches are voting soon to prohibit HS athletes from training at RTC's and to put rules inlace to insure RTC's are not paying out NIL money like we saw this year with Michigan.
I read that the NCAA may step in and limit money after the high school QB took the NIL money from Ohio State, left high schoolmearlynthen after he landed his money from Ohio State he de committed and went elsewhere. Alsomtalking Penn State I believe they capped how much money athletes can receive but not actually sure on that. Letw face it, outside Gable and a few others, getting 6 figure sums of money isnt going to happen to often.
looks like we can put Garrett in at 57! I think that is good news!!
Or maybe we should all simply 1) recognize the flawed rationale in paying college athletes unrestricted amounts of money for their "services," 2) realize that this current system cannot survive and will soon collapse, and 3) play by our own rules and provide the student athletes (that we have) with the very best possible collegiate athletic experience they can have, regardless of the final placements in the system currently developing.
Is it really important that a college to which a person has an affinity place high at the NCAA meet? Really?
Geeezzz folks, this is ridiculous! Time to say "no." Time to recognize that maybe the DIII model has more in common with the philosophical positions formally espoused by DI.
Best guess of 22/23 depth as of now:
125-Barnett, Rivera
133-Burwick, Bobzien, Coy
141-Zargo, Dentino, Bavery, Severin
149-Gomez, Medora, Ayoub, Goebel, Carroll
157-Model, Anderson, Scharenbrock, Lettini, Hughes
165-Hamiti, Model, Meicher
174-Dow, Otto, Calhoun
184-Rowley, Sanders
197-Amos, Empey, Talshahar
285-Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
I agree Mr. Pope! I am a dinosaur to be sure but I am losing interest in what DI wrestling is becoming. Through the years when others wanted to "be like DI football" I screamed no, no, no. Well, it seems to be happening bit by bit. I agree that the DIII model would be better all around.v
Quote from: npope on May 21, 2022, 03:38:10 PM
Or maybe we should all simply 1) recognize the flawed rationale in paying college athletes unrestricted amounts of money for their "services," 2) realize that this current system cannot survive and will soon collapse, and 3) play by our own rules and provide the student athletes (that we have) with the very best possible collegiate athletic experience they can have, regardless of the final placements in the system currently developing.
Is it really important that a college to which a person has an affinity place high at the NCAA meet? Really?
Geeezzz folks, this is ridiculous! Time to say "no." Time to recognize that maybe the DIII model has more in common with the philosophical positions formally espoused by DI.
New commit! Hope a big one!
Good interview from Braxton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZwT6nBYmMw
Just qualified for Final X. Looks like he plans to make some adjustments this offseason and put himself in a better position next year.
Good interview. Sincerely candid. Love the young man. Was fun watching him this weekend. Thanks for posting.
Quote from: onwisconsin on May 23, 2022, 01:42:47 PM
Good interview. Sincerely candid. Love the young man. Was fun watching him this weekend. Thanks for posting.
agree
Holy Sh*t - impressive and I am already looking forward seeing him this fall.
As a person, he sure represents himself well with what seems like very genuine confidence but also humility. He is easy to like in my opinion.
It concerns me when he uses the term "hate" when referencing some fans. However, that kind of conduct certainly isn't exclusive to Wisconsin.
Certainly, it would be disingenuous of me if I indicated his season went as I expected it would, but for any young person/college athlete to believe they were hated because of their performance in a sport is disappointing to hear.
It would appear he had adversity and plans to grow from it. Good luck on your journey and the WI hopeful will be cheering for you.
Sounding like we are going to be getting Lamont!
He will be moving to 133 and a former AA.
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Sounding like we are going to be getting Lamont!
He will be moving to 133 and a former AA.
It's official. Taylor Lamont. Very excited. Welcome Taylor.
At 133 he has wins over Tariq Wilson NC State and Montorie Bridges Wyoming. Will be interesting to see how he develops with Barnett, Burwick, Gross, Zargo as partners.
Good pick up for the Badgers!
https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/7787463-all-american-lamont-is-headed-to-big-ten
The amount of talent in the room at the lighter weights including likely redshirts is pretty impressive:
Barnett
Lamont
Burwick
Rivera
Bobzein
Gross
Zargo
Gomez
With LaMont's greco background, I am guessing us having a few really good greco guys on the roster did not hurt.
Quote from: kabrvi on May 23, 2022, 10:08:14 PM
As a person, he sure represents himself well with what seems like very genuine confidence but also humility. He is easy to like in my opinion.
It concerns me when he uses the term "hate" when referencing some fans. However, that kind of conduct certainly isn't exclusive to Wisconsin.
Certainly, it would be disingenuous of me if I indicated his season went as I expected it would, but for any young person/college athlete to believe they were hated because of their performance in a sport is disappointing to hear.
It would appear he had adversity and plans to grow from it. Good luck on your journey and the WI hopeful will be cheering for you.
I agree about his interview. He comes off as a genuinely good person who plans to grow from his adversity. Some on here are aware, others may not be but the "adversity" was not the normal tough classes or homesick or cutting weight stuff. Partially through the season I saw his Dad after a match in a pink ribbon shirt, I am sensitive to the cause and asked him if everything was ok, and he was candid about their situation. The "adversity" that Braxton planned to grow from was just as season began his Mom was diagnosed with an aggressive breast cancer. He said they were not keeping it a secret but they also were not looking to make a spectacle of themselves (his words). I don't know and I doubt they would ever say how well our coaches, teammates, and fans treated Braxton and the family during this time. Was "hate" the right term? I don't know. It probably felt like it to him at times or he wouldn't have said it. The more telling (and sad) part was when he said that as much as they hated him he hated himself more. Can't imagine the pain/disappointment of thinking those around you "hate" you while worrying every night that your Mom may not make it. If he or his family read this forum then the fact that he is staying is a testament to his commitment to the program. Good things are coming for this young man.
I have been a BA fan since he put UW among the finalists for his college choice. His success in freestyle and greco opens the door for other high school prospects to know that unlike many other programs our coaches will support a wrestler's international career in freestyle and or greco. Bobzien, Rowley, and now Lamont come to mind. Hopke is hopefully watching and looking forward to UW.
The Barry Davis lovers need to get back on board with UW. Barry is gone and neither Bono nor the current Athletic Director has anything to do with his departure. The Ben Asskrenites need to recognize that Ben didn't want the job and Bono gave him a chance to be involved as much as he wanted. Ben does not work and play well with others. Max is the smarter of the two and hopefully recognizes that despite Ben's ego, AWA and UW could have a pipeline that would make it easy to see our favorite locals wrestle while they get a quality education.
Before we as fans complain about the team we need to remember that despite finishing lower in the NCAA Tournament than expected the team's finish outranked our fan attendance numbers.
Back to the original topic, our lineup, the addition of Lamont is great. I am hearing there may be more on the way.
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I agree about his interview. He comes off as a genuinely good person who plans to grow from his adversity. Some on here are aware, others may not be but the "adversity" was not the normal tough classes or homesick or cutting weight stuff. Partially through the season I saw his Dad after a match in a pink ribbon shirt, I am sensitive to the cause and asked him if everything was ok, and he was candid about their situation. The "adversity" that Braxton planned to grow from was just as season began his Mom was diagnosed with an aggressive breast cancer. He said they were not keeping it a secret but they also were not looking to make a spectacle of themselves (his words). I don't know and I doubt they would ever say how well our coaches, teammates, and fans treated Braxton and the family during this time. Was "hate" the right term? I don't know. It probably felt like it to him at times or he wouldn't have said it. The more telling (and sad) part was when he said that as much as they hated him he hated himself more. Can't imagine the pain/disappointment of thinking those around you "hate" you while worrying every night that your Mom may not make it. If he or his family read this forum then the fact that he is staying is a testament to his commitment to the program. Good things are coming for this young man.
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This is very well stated. Thank you "MakingABadgerer".
All my best to Braxton's mother and their entire family!!
It will be interesting to see how Lamont does up a weight and having to deal with the big 10 schedule, which is not easy. Having said that, if everyone is healthy, we appear to have 6 guys who have a realistic chance to AA this year. Based on odds, it is likely only 3 or 4 will, but it is good to have that many who have a chance to since it is so hard to do.
Lamont, with his Greco background, adds to a lineup of dudes who can throw you on your head and light up a scoreboard. So exciting.
I wouldn't read too much into the "hate" comment. Young people user the word hater all the time. The word hate itself means something different. It's more like doubter, IMO. just my two cents.
Yet another reason to support this team and rhe RTC.
Wonder what Burwick thinks of this signing? Does he have a redshirt available?
Ismael Ayoub changed his commitment to Nebraska per his Instagram. In addition, the Wisconsin Women's RTC was cut after the US Open per Erin Golston's Instagram.
Quote from: dad 2 5 on May 25, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Wonder what Burwick thinks of this signing? Does he have a redshirt available?
I am sure he is thinking he needs to get better. Our goal is to be a top 10 program. If you are not a top 15ish wrestler, your spot is likely not safe.
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Quote from: dad 2 5 on May 25, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Wonder what Burwick thinks of this signing? Does he have a redshirt available?
I am sure he is thinking he needs to get better. Our goal is to be a top 10 program. If you are not a top 15ish wrestler, your spot is likely not safe.
well said!
I also doubt he is planning to concede the spot. I am sure his plan is to work hard and beat him out.
2022-23 Current Projection
125 Barnett, Rivera (RS), Coy (RS)
133 LaMont, Rotondo, Bobzien (RS)
141 Zargo, Dentino, Severin
149 Gomez, Medora, Lettini (RS), Goebel (RS)
157 Garrett Model, Scharenbrock, Cale Anderson, Hughes
165 Hamiti, Gavin Model, Meicher
174 Dow, Otto, Calhoun
184 Rowley, Sanders
197 Amos, Empey, Talshahar (RS)
285 Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
RS = Redshirt
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2022-23 Current Projection
125 Barnett, Rivera (RS), Coy (RS)
133 LaMont, Bobzien (RS)
141 Zargo, Dentino, Severin
149 Gomez, Medora, Lettini (RS), Goebel (RS)
157 Garrett Model, Scharenbrock, Cale Anderson, Hughes
165 Hamiti, Gavin Model, Meicher
174 Dow, Otto, Calhoun
184 Rowley, Sanders
197 Amos, Empey, Talshahar (RS)
285 Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
RS = Redshirt
That seems like a pretty good line up!
Quote from: Harris on May 25, 2022, 06:15:03 PM
Ismael Ayoub changed his commitment to Nebraska per his Instagram. In addition, the Wisconsin Women's RTC was cut after the US Open per Erin Golston's Instagram.
It hasn't been talked about a lot that our Women's RTC Program was cut. Does anyone know why? How many athletes do we even have in the RTC outside of Gross?
With NIL, I hope they are reallocating the resources to that.
Quote from: tigerking on June 21, 2022, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: Harris on May 25, 2022, 06:15:03 PM
Ismael Ayoub changed his commitment to Nebraska per his Instagram. In addition, the Wisconsin Women's RTC was cut after the US Open per Erin Golston's Instagram.
It hasn't been talked about a lot that our Women's RTC Program was cut. Does anyone know why? How many athletes do we even have in the RTC outside of Gross?
In addition, Sean Smalley (Executive Director) no longer works for the RTC. He now works for the UW ticket office. Big changes for the RTC.
Thanks for the info Harris, that is pretty disappointing or at least it sounds concerning
Quote from: PAUL on June 25, 2022, 12:06:38 PM
Thanks for the info Harris, that is pretty disappointing or at least it sounds concerning
Want to share the changes? I hope even stronger.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 17, 2022, 05:08:28 PM
2022-23 Current Projection
125 Barnett, Rivera (RS), Coy (RS)
133 LaMont, Rotondo, Bobzien (RS)
141 Zargo, Dentino, Severin
149 Gomez, Medora, Lettini (RS), Goebel (RS)
157 Garrett Model, Scharenbrock, Cale Anderson, Hughes
165 Hamiti, Gavin Model, Meicher
174 Dow, Otto, Calhoun
184 Rowley, Sanders
197 Amos, Empey, Talshahar (RS)
285 Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
RS = Redshirt
I am looking forward to see how this line-up will compete. I wonder how summer camps are going on and off campus and if there is a "great day to be a Badger" coming soon?
The Ferrari's are going somewhere, why not Wisconsin. Telltale sign of our interest is our coach is liking AJ's social media posts.
125 Barnett, Rivera (RS), Coy (RS)
133 LaMont, Rotondo, Bobzien (RS)
141 Zargo, Dentino, Severin
149 Gomez, Medora, Lettini (RS), Goebel (RS)
157 Garrett Model, Ferrari (RS) Scharenbrock, Cale Anderson, Hughes
165 Hamiti, Gavin Model, Meicher
174 Otto, Calhoun, Rowley,
184 Sanders, Dow, Talshahar
197 Ferrari, Amos (RS), Empey,
285 Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
RS = Redshirt
Not sure if Anthony Ferrari takes Model's spot at 157.
Not sure if it is Calhoun or Rowley at 174
Not sure if it is Talshahar or Dow at 184
New rules allowing freshmen to get some matches in without losing their redshirt will help sort out the lineup.
2022-23 Current Projection
125 Barnett, Rivera (RS), Coy (RS)
133 LaMont, Bobzien (RS)
141 Zargo, Dentino, Severin
149 Gomez, Medora, Lettini (RS), Goebel (RS)
157 Garrett Model, Scharenbrock, Cale Anderson, Hughes
165 Hamiti, Gavin Model, Meicher
174 Dow, Otto, Calhoun
184 Rowley, Sanders
197 Amos, Empey, Talshahar (RS)
285 Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
RS = Redshirt
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on August 03, 2022, 10:36:59 AM
2022-23 Current Projection
125 Barnett, Rivera (RS), Coy (RS)
133 LaMont, Bobzien (RS)
141 Zargo, Dentino, Severin
149 Gomez, Medora, Lettini (RS), Goebel (RS)
157 Garrett Model, Scharenbrock, Cale Anderson, Hughes
165 Hamiti, Gavin Model, Meicher
174 Dow, Otto, Calhoun
184 Rowley, Sanders
197 Amos, Empey, Talshahar (RS)
285 Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
RS = Redshirt
I like it! I think that Zargo, Model, Dow, Rowley, and Amos are going to surprise people! Outside of Rowley who hasn't wrestled yet, all 4 have shown they can hang with and beat All Americans!
Quote from: BuckyMatt on August 03, 2022, 10:54:22 AM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on August 03, 2022, 10:36:59 AM
2022-23 Current Projection
125 Barnett, Rivera (RS), Coy (RS)
133 LaMont, Bobzien (RS)
141 Zargo, Dentino, Severin
149 Gomez, Medora, Lettini (RS), Goebel (RS)
157 Garrett Model, Scharenbrock, Cale Anderson, Hughes
165 Hamiti, Gavin Model, Meicher
174 Dow, Otto, Calhoun
184 Rowley, Sanders
197 Amos, Empey, Talshahar (RS)
285 Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
RS = Redshirt
I like it! I think that Zargo, Model, Dow, Rowley, and Amos are going to surprise people! Outside of Rowley who hasn't wrestled yet, all 4 have shown they can hang with and beat All Americans!
+1
It would be make things interesting if Talshahar is at 184...
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on August 03, 2022, 12:59:01 PM
It would be make things interesting if Talshahar is at 184...
Spoke with Reader a few weeks back and he was very high on Talshahar!!
About a month and a week and they can officially practice right? Who's excite to get going?!
Quote from: dad 2 5 on September 06, 2022, 06:40:38 PMAbout a month and a week and they can officially practice right? Who's excite to get going?!
I believe next week. I have an intern from NW and he said they start preseason tomorrow.
Do they hit the room this week? Seems to be about the date they normally are allowed to be "coached" as a team
Quote from: MakingABadgerer on July 14, 2022, 08:12:52 PMThe Ferrari's are going somewhere, why not Wisconsin. Telltale sign of our interest is our coach is liking AJ's social media posts.
125 Barnett, Rivera (RS), Coy (RS)
133 LaMont, Rotondo, Bobzien (RS)
141 Zargo, Dentino, Severin
149 Gomez, Medora, Lettini (RS), Goebel (RS)
157 Garrett Model, Ferrari (RS) Scharenbrock, Cale Anderson, Hughes
165 Hamiti, Gavin Model, Meicher
174 Otto, Calhoun, Rowley,
184 Sanders, Dow, Talshahar
197 Ferrari, Amos (RS), Empey,
285 Hillger, Christensen, Schmidtke
RS = Redshirt
Not sure if Anthony Ferrari takes Model's spot at 157.
Not sure if it is Calhoun or Rowley at 174
Not sure if it is Talshahar or Dow at 184
New rules allowing freshmen to get some matches in without losing their redshirt will help sort out the lineup.
Love the potential on this team. Amos we KNOW has the ability to compete with the best. Just needs to get over that hump. Chain Wrestling, re-shots(this wrestling stuff is SOO easy...when you're explaining what people SHOULD do ;D ). But he could break out.
We know Model is capable of more. I like Otto and could see him having success.
Zargo though, he's a kid I could see making a big jump...potentially. If he's been lifting and doing the type of work you need to in the B1G, he looked like he was just lacking a little bit of horse power last year, but his leg attacks looked smooth, his transitions looked good. Just improve the chain wrestling a bit and if he's got just a bit more horse power...like I said, I could see him taking a big step. Beyond that, I'm simply too ignorant to make any specific observations about other guys. Dow, Sanders, Calhoun(I watched a YT video...that's about it, but he looks very good). Hopefully we continue to see growth...which is sometimes difficult to gauge during the B1G season.
As for Ferrari, Angelo and Anthony, sign 'em up. AJ? Pass. There are priorities that trump National Titles and IF he's cleared and shows any indication he's changing or maturing, take a look then. But I wouldn't be considering it until then and I sincerely doubt the admissions office at UW would either(so it's more than just Bono's decision).
Quote from: Vir Fortis on October 16, 2022, 01:50:09 AMZargo though, he's a kid I could see making a big jump...potentially. If he's been lifting and doing the type of work you need to in the B1G, he looked like he was just lacking a little bit of horse power last year, but his leg attacks looked smooth, his transitions looked good. Just improve the chain wrestling a bit and if he's got just a bit more horse power...like I said, I could see him taking a big step. Beyond that, I'm simply too ignorant to make any specific observations about other guys. Dow, Sanders, Calhoun(I watched a YT video...that's about it, but he looks very good). Hopefully we continue to see growth...which is sometimes difficult to gauge during the B1G season.
Very excited to see what Joey can do this year. He had the current #1 ranked wrestler and all american (Cole Matthews) beat last year until he got choked and he was not quite the same in the match after that. It definitely took a little out of him. He put up 8 points on Matthews (2 TD and 2 Rev) which is the most he has given up since 2019-2020.
Any insight on how 174 and 184 are shaking out.
Otto - Rowley
Dow - Rowley
or some other combo?
Thanks
Rowley Dow would be my guess
Quote from: onwisconsin on October 20, 2022, 08:19:35 AMAny insight on how 174 and 184 are shaking out.
Otto - Rowley
Dow - Rowley
or some other combo?
Thanks
I believe Graham Calhoun will be in the mix if not the starter at 174. At 184 I think Dow will get the nod, Rowley will get his 5 redshirt dates and a determination will be made after Midlands what they will do for the rest of the season.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on October 20, 2022, 10:27:18 AMQuote from: onwisconsin on October 20, 2022, 08:19:35 AMAny insight on how 174 and 184 are shaking out.
Otto - Rowley
Dow - Rowley
or some other combo?
Thanks
I believe Graham Calhoun will be in the mix if not the starter at 174. At 184 I think Dow will get the nod, Rowley will get his 5 redshirt dates and a determination will be made after Midlands what they will do for the rest of the season.
This makes more sense.
I believe Graham Calhoun will be in the mix if not the starter at 174. At 184 I think Dow will get the nod, Rowley will get his 5 redshirt dates and a determination will be made after Midlands what they will do for the rest of the season.
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I like this plan. Thanks everyone.