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Title: CWC Preview
Post by: tigerking on September 15, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
With the Tigers back in the sectional, I would be interested to hear what the CWC is bringing to the sectional this year. I believe that Amherst and Menominee Indian are going D2. Weyauwega had quite a few 8th graders at youth state last year that should be coming into the line up. Wittenberg is having a good year for football, how many of those guys wrestle? Shiocton should have a tough team returning with incoming freshmen and Bonduel gains another Bogacz.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the CWC?
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Willie on September 22, 2021, 10:06:02 PM
I bet you are interested.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Gizmo6 on October 22, 2021, 09:48:40 AM
Shiocton should have a really strong team this year and should be heavily favored to repeat as Champions, Wittenberg and WF (14 incoming freshman) will most likely battle it out for 2nd. Amherst and Bonduel could make some noise here as well. Individual wise the conference will be lead by a few horses this year but not as strong at the top as we have seen in recent years (Guaderman and Mannel are most likely our only title contenders this year, unless I'm forgetting somebody).
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: DarkKnight on November 09, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: tigerking on September 15, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
With the Tigers back in the sectional, I would be interested to hear what the CWC is bringing to the sectional this year. I believe that Amherst and Menominee Indian are going D2. Weyauwega had quite a few 8th graders at youth state last year that should be coming into the line up. Wittenberg is having a good year for football, how many of those guys wrestle? Shiocton should have a tough team returning with incoming freshmen and Bonduel gains another Bogacz.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the CWC?

Shiocton is definitely threatening Coleman in the sectional... Stratford as well.

I think Shiocton and Stratford will be a very fun dual.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: muskie89 on December 15, 2021, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: DarkKnight on November 09, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: tigerking on September 15, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
With the Tigers back in the sectional, I would be interested to hear what the CWC is bringing to the sectional this year. I believe that Amherst and Menominee Indian are going D2. Weyauwega had quite a few 8th graders at youth state last year that should be coming into the line up. Wittenberg is having a good year for football, how many of those guys wrestle? Shiocton should have a tough team returning with incoming freshmen and Bonduel gains another Bogacz.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the CWC?

Shiocton is definitely threatening Coleman in the sectional... Stratford as well.

I think Shiocton and Stratford will be a very fun dual.

The holiday tournaments will reveal a lot. It looks like Team sectionals is shaping up to be electric.
How do you think this dual plays out between stratford and coleman @DarkKnight ?

I think Casper has some tricks up his sleeves to take advantage of a newer stratford coach. Coleman 42, Stratford 36 (5 wins from forfeits after being up by a comfortable margin)
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: tigerking on December 15, 2021, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: muskie89 on December 15, 2021, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: DarkKnight on November 09, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: tigerking on September 15, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
With the Tigers back in the sectional, I would be interested to hear what the CWC is bringing to the sectional this year. I believe that Amherst and Menominee Indian are going D2. Weyauwega had quite a few 8th graders at youth state last year that should be coming into the line up. Wittenberg is having a good year for football, how many of those guys wrestle? Shiocton should have a tough team returning with incoming freshmen and Bonduel gains another Bogacz.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the CWC?

Shiocton is definitely threatening Coleman in the sectional... Stratford as well.

I think Shiocton and Stratford will be a very fun dual.

The holiday tournaments will reveal a lot. It looks like Team sectionals is shaping up to be electric.
How do you think this dual plays out between stratford and coleman @DarkKnight ?

I think Casper has some tricks up his sleeves to take advantage of a newer stratford coach. Coleman 42, Stratford 36 (5 wins from forfeits after being up by a comfortable margin)

No. The tigers are too good for this too happen and Schwabe will make sure we are ready to go on this day. Tigers 39 Coleman 33. Drexler is going to run down Casper in this dual.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Willie on December 15, 2021, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: tigerking on December 15, 2021, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: muskie89 on December 15, 2021, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: DarkKnight on November 09, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: tigerking on September 15, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
With the Tigers back in the sectional, I would be interested to hear what the CWC is bringing to the sectional this year. I believe that Amherst and Menominee Indian are going D2. Weyauwega had quite a few 8th graders at youth state last year that should be coming into the line up. Wittenberg is having a good year for football, how many of those guys wrestle? Shiocton should have a tough team returning with incoming freshmen and Bonduel gains another Bogacz.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the CWC?

Shiocton is definitely threatening Coleman in the sectional... Stratford as well.

I think Shiocton and Stratford will be a very fun dual.

The holiday tournaments will reveal a lot. It looks like Team sectionals is shaping up to be electric.
How do you think this dual plays out between stratford and coleman @DarkKnight ?

I think Casper has some tricks up his sleeves to take advantage of a newer stratford coach. Coleman 42, Stratford 36 (5 wins from forfeits after being up by a comfortable margin)

No. The tigers are too good for this too happen and Schwabe will make sure we are ready to go on this day. Tigers 39 Coleman 33. Drexler is going to run down Casper in this dual.


The topic is "CWC Preview" not "potential" Coleman against Stratford at team sectionals. Remember they both have to get through their regional and the first dual of the night.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: muskie89 on December 15, 2021, 10:53:25 AM
Quote from: Willie on December 15, 2021, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: tigerking on December 15, 2021, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: muskie89 on December 15, 2021, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: DarkKnight on November 09, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: tigerking on September 15, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
With the Tigers back in the sectional, I would be interested to hear what the CWC is bringing to the sectional this year. I believe that Amherst and Menominee Indian are going D2. Weyauwega had quite a few 8th graders at youth state last year that should be coming into the line up. Wittenberg is having a good year for football, how many of those guys wrestle? Shiocton should have a tough team returning with incoming freshmen and Bonduel gains another Bogacz.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the CWC?

Shiocton is definitely threatening Coleman in the sectional... Stratford as well.

I think Shiocton and Stratford will be a very fun dual.

The holiday tournaments will reveal a lot. It looks like Team sectionals is shaping up to be electric.
How do you think this dual plays out between stratford and coleman @DarkKnight ?

I think Casper has some tricks up his sleeves to take advantage of a newer stratford coach. Coleman 42, Stratford 36 (5 wins from forfeits after being up by a comfortable margin)

No. The tigers are too good for this too happen and Schwabe will make sure we are ready to go on this day. Tigers 39 Coleman 33. Drexler is going to run down Casper in this dual.


The topic is "CWC Preview" not "potential" Coleman against Stratford at team sectionals. Remember they both have to get through their regional and the first dual of the night.

Hey Willie, they both dual CWC teams so I would say this is relevant.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Bignoseknowswrestling on December 15, 2021, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: tigerking on December 15, 2021, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: muskie89 on December 15, 2021, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: DarkKnight on November 09, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
Quote from: tigerking on September 15, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
With the Tigers back in the sectional, I would be interested to hear what the CWC is bringing to the sectional this year. I believe that Amherst and Menominee Indian are going D2. Weyauwega had quite a few 8th graders at youth state last year that should be coming into the line up. Wittenberg is having a good year for football, how many of those guys wrestle? Shiocton should have a tough team returning with incoming freshmen and Bonduel gains another Bogacz.

What are everyone else's thoughts on the CWC?

Shiocton is definitely threatening Coleman in the sectional... Stratford as well.

I think Shiocton and Stratford will be a very fun dual.

The holiday tournaments will reveal a lot. It looks like Team sectionals is shaping up to be electric.
How do you think this dual plays out between stratford and coleman @DarkKnight ?

I think Casper has some tricks up his sleeves to take advantage of a newer stratford coach. Coleman 42, Stratford 36 (5 wins from forfeits after being up by a comfortable margin)

No. The tigers are too good for this too happen and Schwabe will make sure we are ready to go on this day. Tigers 39 Coleman 33. Drexler is going to run down Casper in this dual.
Correction Tiger King, Davidson will have them ready. He is the head coach. I think he has been plotting to go head-to-head with Casper since his arrival. Unfortunately I do not think it will be enough. Cougars 50, tigers 24
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Gizmo6 on December 15, 2021, 01:03:38 PM
Don't overlook Shiocton, they still have not been at full strength this year. They will battle with Stratford Random Lake and Wega next week in Wega, should give everyone a good idea of the pecking order.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: muskie89 on December 15, 2021, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: Gizmo6 on December 15, 2021, 01:03:38 PM
Don't overlook Shiocton, they still have not been at full strength this year. They will battle with Stratford Random Lake and Wega next week in Wega, should give everyone a good idea of the pecking order.

Close match last night between Shioctin and Winneconne. I wish they were at full strength! They have a gritty style that is fun to watch.
But I will continue to overlook them until further notice.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: grapper25 on January 07, 2022, 08:25:53 AM
Do any of the conference teams have any big matchups/tournaments happening this weekend?

Thanks in advance.

Grapper25
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: tigerking on January 19, 2022, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: grapper25 on January 07, 2022, 08:25:53 AM
Do any of the conference teams have any big matchups/tournaments happening this weekend?

Thanks in advance.

Grapper25

CWC Multi Duals going on this weekend. Could end up seeing Vigue vs Bartel. 220 should have a great match up with Vanden Hoffman vs David Gauderman. Any other matches that I am missing?
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Willie on January 20, 2022, 09:54:42 PM
Quote from: tigerking on January 19, 2022, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: grapper25 on January 07, 2022, 08:25:53 AM
Do any of the conference teams have any big matchups/tournaments happening this weekend?

Thanks in advance.

Grapper25

CWC Multi Duals going on this weekend. Could end up seeing Vigue vs Bartel. 220 should have a great match up with Vanden Hoffman vs David Gauderman. Any other matches that I am missing?
Team wise the top 3 teams will meet up. Wega Shiocton and Wittenberg will battle for the lead in the conference race.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: ChargerDad on January 21, 2022, 06:11:54 AM
Quote from: tigerking on January 19, 2022, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: grapper25 on January 07, 2022, 08:25:53 AM
Do any of the conference teams have any big matchups/tournaments happening this weekend?

Thanks in advance.

Grapper25

CWC Multi Duals going on this weekend. Could end up seeing Vigue vs Bartel. 220 should have a great match up with Vanden Hoffman vs David Gauderman. Any other matches that I am missing?

Throw Shioctons Sanchez into the mix with Hoffman and Gauderman.

Potential ranked matchups at Shiocton:

126
D3 #4 - Pierson Potrykus - WB
D3 #6 - Blake Carton - Shiocton

132
D3 #3 - Kaleb Mannel - Weyauwega-Fremont
138
D3 HM -  Easton Dammann - Pittsville

152
D3 #6 - Bradley Demerath - Shiocton
D3 #9 - Carter McDaniel - Weyauwega-Fremont

220
D3 #3 - David Gauderman - WB
D3 #6 - Vanden Hoffman - Weyauwega-Fremont
D3 #7 - Ilijah Sanchez - Shiocton
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: WFactory19 on January 21, 2022, 12:40:32 PM
An exciting weekend to be apart of the CWC conference. 3 Teams are definitely in the mix and its anyone's opportunity to take. Yes, I agree 220 will be fun with a hopeful finals match of Vanden Hoffman against Gauderman. My only fear is they bump Guaderman away from us.....anything can happen though right
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Gizmo6 on January 21, 2022, 01:11:14 PM
Most would agree Gauderman is the favorite at 220, doubt he will be bumping away from anyone in the CWC.

Predictions:
Shiocton
WB
WF
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: BrokeHimOnBottom on January 21, 2022, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: ChargerDad on January 21, 2022, 06:11:54 AM
Quote from: tigerking on January 19, 2022, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: grapper25 on January 07, 2022, 08:25:53 AM
Do any of the conference teams have any big matchups/tournaments happening this weekend?

Thanks in advance.

Grapper25

CWC Multi Duals going on this weekend. Could end up seeing Vigue vs Bartel. 220 should have a great match up with Vanden Hoffman vs David Gauderman. Any other matches that I am missing?

Throw Shioctons Sanchez into the mix with Hoffman and Gauderman.

Potential ranked matchups at Shiocton:

126
D3 #4 - Pierson Potrykus - WB
D3 #6 - Blake Carton - Shiocton

132
D3 #3 - Kaleb Mannel - Weyauwega-Fremont
138
D3 HM -  Easton Dammann - Pittsville

152
D3 #6 - Bradley Demerath - Shiocton
D3 #9 - Carter McDaniel - Weyauwega-Fremont

220
D3 #3 - David Gauderman - WB
D3 #6 - Vanden Hoffman - Weyauwega-Fremont
D3 #7 - Ilijah Sanchez - Shiocton

Rumor mill has Mannel dropping this weekend, so likely to see him wrestle Potrykus and Carton as well! Loads of great wrestling this weekend in the CWC, Go Chargers!
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: tigerking on January 21, 2022, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: WFactory19 on January 21, 2022, 12:40:32 PM
An exciting weekend to be apart of the CWC conference. 3 Teams are definitely in the mix and its anyone's opportunity to take. Yes, I agree 220 will be fun with a hopeful finals match of Vanden Hoffman against Gauderman. My only fear is they bump Guaderman away from us.....anything can happen though right

I hope you delete this before ChargerDad reads this. I see no reason why Gauderman is not wrestling Hoffman tomorrow or at conference. First comment on the forum is a hot take.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: ChargerDad on January 22, 2022, 06:44:41 PM
Quote from: tigerking on January 21, 2022, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: WFactory19 on January 21, 2022, 12:40:32 PM
An exciting weekend to be apart of the CWC conference. 3 Teams are definitely in the mix and its anyone's opportunity to take. Yes, I agree 220 will be fun with a hopeful finals match of Vanden Hoffman against Gauderman. My only fear is they bump Guaderman away from us.....anything can happen though right

I hope you delete this before ChargerDad reads this. I see no reason why Gauderman is not wrestling Hoffman tomorrow or at conference. First comment on the forum is a hot take.

I got a little chuckle out of that:-) I'm just a dad, and wasn't sure if the match ups would happen because in a dual format event, you do what you need to in order to maximize the team score.  Team comes first, always has, always will. 

BUT the matchups happened, all three ranked 220 wrestlers competed against each other.  Gauderman TF'd Sanchez in the first period, and pinned Hoffman in the first.  Hoffman beat Sanchez by decision.  Sanchez gave him all he could handle, impressive effort by the freshman.  Think he weighed in at 189 or something like that, and scrapped like a veteran at 220.  Didn't back down from anyone.   I wouldn't be surprised if he finds a way to beat Hoffman at some point this year.  If there was a spot at 182 for him in their lineup, I think he could do some damage, his ability would be a problem for many there even as a freshman, but that Shiocton lineup is just too strong for him to get in the lineup there.  At 220, he's a better wrestler than many of the 220's, he's just giving up a lot of weight, strength, and certainly some experience.  Looking forward to watching that kid wrestle the next few years when it's not against the Chargers!!
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Victimizer on January 22, 2022, 07:14:55 PM
Some very nice matches  today, 126 was real fun to watch.
I also  to had to chuckle, about the somebody's fear of  WB bumping away from Vander.

When did WF get so thin-skinned? Mannel not wrestling Pierson and a little "chicken"
jab from the stands gets Timmy worked up.  I am guessing it  would have been different if he would have been  winning.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: ChargerDad on January 22, 2022, 07:54:00 PM
Quote from: Victimizer on January 22, 2022, 07:14:55 PM
Some very nice matches  today, 126 was real fun to watch.
I also  to had to chuckle, about the somebody's fear of  WB bumping away from Vander.

When did WF get so thin-skinned? Mannel not wrestling Pierson and a little "chicken"
jab from the stands gets Timmy worked up.  I am guessing it  would have been different if he would have been  winning.

126 was a BLAST today!!  I think that "chicken" reference came from the Wega stands.  Mannel could have gotten down to 126 as well and maybe changed things (don't remember how the flip would have affected that..)..   Some people also forget that in a dual, the primary goal is to win the dual, not to get certain kids to match up.  If the good individual match ups happen, that's a bonus for those kids and the fans, but #1 goal has to be to win the dual, and coaches do what they have to do to make that happen.  From a team perspective, going into 126, we had 1 wrestler for 2 weight classes, and it's 39-30 WB.  Why would we forfeit at 126 to make it 39-36 when the odds of winning 126 were greater than 132 by anyone with even a basic understanding of wrestling??  That doesn't make any sense.  You take the matchup you believe the best chance to win the dual.  It's that simple.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: Gizmo6 on January 22, 2022, 08:00:43 PM
Like chargerdad said, the dual came down to the last few matches. WB did what they had to do to win the dual. That comment came from a grandparent in the stands and was inappropriate and inaccurate. We don't support that behavior, ESPECIALLY if the comment was directed at a student athlete!
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: padre on January 23, 2022, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: Victimizer on January 22, 2022, 07:14:55 PM
Some very nice matches  today, 126 was real fun to watch.
I also  to had to chuckle, about the somebody's fear of  WB bumping away from Vander.

When did WF get so thin-skinned? Mannel not wrestling Pierson and a little "chicken"
jab from the stands gets Timmy worked up.  I am guessing it  would have been different if he would have been  winning.

The issue at hand was handled well by the WF coaches and athletes.  While I was shocked by the comment a few wrestlers and the coaches apologized for that persons behavior.  The two will meet soon enough.
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: tigerking on January 24, 2022, 12:34:09 PM
Notable Results from CWC Multi Dual
170- #7 170 Bryce Bartel Manawa over #9 Donavon Vigue by Fall
285- D2 220 #6 Marcus Matti over D2 285 #11 Asenex Turney 7-3
170- D2 #9 170 Alex Bishop over D3 #9 Donavon Vigue by Fall
145- UR Max Kersten over D3 138 HM Easton Damman by Fall
145- D3 152 #9 Carter McDaniel over Max Kersten by Fall
220- D3 #3 David Gauderman over D3 #6 Vanden Hoffman by Fall
126- D3 #4 Pierson Potrykus over D3 #6 Blake Carton 7-3
220- D3 #3 David Gauderman over D3 #7 Ilijah Sanchez TF 15-0
138- UR Isiah Carton over D3 HM Easton Dammann 13-6
120- UR Connor Johnson over D3 #9 Jordan Jahnke 6-4
138- D3 132 #3 Kaleb Mannel over UR Isaiah Carton 12-10
220- D3 #6 Vanden Hoffman over D3 #7 Ilijah Sanchez 4-1
285- D3 #6 195 Dylan Larsen over D3 HM Cody Steinback by Fall
145- D3 152 #9 Carter McDaniel over D3 138 HM Easton Dammann by Fall
Title: Re: CWC Preview
Post by: ChargerDad on January 26, 2022, 07:20:38 AM
Quote from: tigerking on January 24, 2022, 12:34:09 PM
Notable Results from CWC Multi Dual
170- #7 170 Bryce Bartel Manawa over #9 Donavon Vigue by Fall
285- D2 220 #6 Marcus Matti over D2 285 #11 Asenex Turney 7-3
170- D2 #9 170 Alex Bishop over D3 #9 Donavon Vigue by Fall
145- UR Max Kersten over D3 138 HM Easton Damman by Fall
145- D3 152 #9 Carter McDaniel over Max Kersten by Fall
220- D3 #3 David Gauderman over D3 #6 Vanden Hoffman by Fall
126- D3 #4 Pierson Potrykus over D3 #6 Blake Carton 7-3
220- D3 #3 David Gauderman over D3 #7 Ilijah Sanchez TF 15-0
138- UR Isiah Carton over D3 HM Easton Dammann 13-6
120- UR Connor Johnson over D3 #9 Jordan Jahnke 6-4
138- D3 132 #3 Kaleb Mannel over UR Isaiah Carton 12-10
220- D3 #6 Vanden Hoffman over D3 #7 Ilijah Sanchez 4-1
285- D3 #6 195 Dylan Larsen over D3 HM Cody Steinback by Fall
145- D3 152 #9 Carter McDaniel over D3 138 HM Easton Dammann by Fall

That Mannel vs. Carton match was crazy and IMO notable not because Mannel won, but because the margin was 2.  In the long run, that match probably serves both wrestlers well.  Mannel got a match that pushed him probably more than he wanted, which IMO is a good thing when you can find a way to come out with a win, and Carton gets some confidence competing that well against a hammer going into the postseason.   

And as I said a little about in my previous comment, the Hoffman vs. Sanchez match was super exciting.  Gets me excited when I see a big freshman come in and fight like Sanchez did.  You look at his results, and you maybe can't tell, but Sanchez fought his butt off from start to finish in both of his matches.  Almost hit an arm spin early in the match against Gauderman, and was in position with a body lock and couldn't finish simply because he was giving up too much size and strength.  Fought the whole time when a lot of kids may have faded in that spot..  Against Hoffman, he DID hit an arm spin from the bottom position to get an escape and nearly a reversal and back points.  Gave a more physically mature Hoffman all he wanted.  For Hoffman, big step up from his Freshman year, which is something you love to see, especially from a big kid as kids mature into these upper weight classes.  Those 2 are going to represent the CWC well the next few years, and I'll be a fan whenever they aren't on the mat against a Charger!