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Title: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Napoleon Dynamite on May 25, 2021, 10:01:43 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/high-schools/2021/05/25/wiaa-state-girls-wrestling-tournament-held-la-crosse-center/7427153002/

STEVENS POINT – Girls wrestling in Wisconsin took another step toward fully materializing Tuesday.

The WIAA Board of Control voted, 8-2, to hold the state girls tournament at the La Crosse Center in La Crosse for its first two seasons. The first tournament is scheduled for Saturday, Jan. 29.

That date is almost a month earlier than the boys individual tournament, a move the executive staff said was necessary in order make sure the head wrestling coach could be on hand.

Having the girls state tournament later would create conflicts with conference tournaments and then the WIAA regional and sectionals.

Most programs in the state do not have a head girls wrestling coach.

“The logistics of coach availability was one that could not be overlooked,” executive director Dave Anderson told the board. “So where does this fit and give us the opportunity for a nice venue for this launch.”

During the meeting deputy director Wade Labecki shed some light on the format for the girls individual wrestling tournament.

There will be no regionals or sectionals. Everyone will compete at the state meet. Labecki is anticipating about 250 female wrestlers statewide in Year 1. “What the format will be is they will get (to the La Crosse Center) and they’ll have to register,” Labecki said. “We might not know ahead of time who they are. I’m hoping we’ll be able to ask a week in advance so we’d be able to put a program together. We might have 15 girls in the 120 weight class. We might have 25 girls in the 125 weight class. …. The brackets are going to have to be generated at the time of the tournament.”

Girls who compete in the individual postseason won’t be able to participate in the individual boys postseason but will be able to compete in the conference tournament or in the team portion of the postseason.

The WIAA has a two-year commitment to hold the event at the La Crosse Center and then evaluate where it might go next.

“The problem for the future is what you’re going to do when it becomes popular and you have to have regionals and you have to have sectionals,” Labecki said. “Schools may have to hire a girls coach … This is an opportunity to see how the sport will expand.”
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: blacknblue on May 26, 2021, 04:40:48 PM
This tournament will need to be held in some form at the Kohl Center at the end of February in order to grow the sport to the talent level in other states. 
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: DocWrestling on May 26, 2021, 05:27:56 PM
Does this allow girls to compete in the girls state tournament and then compete at regionals the following weekend?  Could they qualify for two state tournaments with this format?
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: tigerking on May 26, 2021, 05:59:23 PM
This tournament will need to be held in some form at the Kohl Center at the end of February in order to grow the sport to the talent level in other states.

I agree, but I think they are working out the logistics of holding it at the Kohl Center. My guess would be they are trying to see how long the tournament/sessions will last for the girls state tournament before making the move to the Kohl Center. It took Illinois 9 years to get girls and boys wrestling state at the same time in the same arena.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: tigerking on May 26, 2021, 06:00:10 PM
Does this allow girls to compete in the girls state tournament and then compete at regionals the following weekend?  Could they qualify for two state tournaments with this format?

From my understanding, girls will have to choose one or the other for individual state series, but they will be able to compete in the team state series for boys. I believe this was discussed on the Wisconsin Wrestling Podcast, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: padre on May 26, 2021, 10:30:35 PM
Does this allow girls to compete in the girls state tournament and then compete at regionals the following weekend?  Could they qualify for two state tournaments with this format?

From my understanding, girls will have to choose one or the other for individual state series, but they will be able to compete in the team state series for boys. I believe this was discussed on the Wisconsin Wrestling Podcast, but I could be wrong.

That is correct.  A step in the right direction.  Hopefully can get the numbers out there to figure out how they can all combine in years to come.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Wrestling Novice on May 27, 2021, 06:28:33 AM
Does this allow girls to compete in the girls state tournament and then compete at regionals the following weekend?  Could they qualify for two state tournaments with this format?

From my understanding, girls will have to choose one or the other for individual state series, but they will be able to compete in the team state series for boys. I believe this was discussed on the Wisconsin Wrestling Podcast, but I could be wrong.

That is correct.  A step in the right direction.  Hopefully can get the numbers out there to figure out how they can all combine in years to come.

Unfortunately this removes them from regional competition should they choose to wrestle at girls state.  We all know that there are girls capable of beating boys especially at the lighter weights, which takes potential points away from the team at regional.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: DarkKnight on May 27, 2021, 09:23:16 AM
Agree, there are some girls out there (like Kelley from Florence(113), Upson from Phillips (195), etc) who can compete for a state spot in the boys tournament. Be interesting to see what they decide to do when that time comes. Glad to see the girls getting some WIAA recognition
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: TomM on May 30, 2021, 10:27:48 PM
Perhaps a girl would like to be "the first official state champ" (barring outside influence of others desires)
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Quack on June 18, 2021, 06:09:51 PM
How many of you are afraid that the WIAA will move the JV State to the same venue at the same time to take away from the girls again? This is a pretty large venue for just a Girls State Tourney.

While some of you believe this is a good thing, it is like Putting Baby in a Corner. It has already been told to me that it has been figured out that they can run the girls along with the Boys and not add much to the time frames. Also why are they cutting the girls almost a month short in their season? It was also put out that the girls that compete in Girls State are done after Conference unless their team makes State. They claim it is for coaching reasons.But hey if you have a boy or a girl or both make State. And it is in the same place then you either have coaches there or have a coach for them. Plus are you telling me there are no tourneys going on the weekend that they are having the Girls State?  So how are they gonna handle that?

But this is just my opinion
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: ET1251997-01 on June 19, 2021, 06:12:46 PM
Girls wrestling is on the rise! The next few years are going to be tricky not only for the WIAA but also for the high schools balancing out what they believe is the best way to have girls wrestling be successful. I hope both WIAA and individual schools are speaking with the folks at USA Wrestling, the Wisconsin Wrestling Coaches, Wrestle Like a Girl, and a key figure in this... yes the girls competing in Wisconsin!

Here are a few challenges I see.  In no particular order, they are all challenges and are all linked together.
1. Girls state is the same weekend as the Pulaski Invite... for many coaches in Northeastern WI you cannot be in both places at once. 
2. The girls season is a month shorter.  Not equitable at all. 
3. Find girls only coaches, or a coach that focuses on working with the girls as their priority.
4. Time and space.  As the girls teams build, they will need to have their own practice times and spaces.  Only a handful of teams could run a girls practice with 20 athletes and a boys practice with 30 athletes at the same time.  Teams will need to get creative with practice times or spaces, or build some additions. 

Solutions.
1. The girls state tournament should be in the Kohl Center right along side the boys.  I've coached down on that floor, there is room, make it happen asap. 
2. Extend the season to end at the Kohl Center with state the same time as the boys.
3. Start recruiting coaches, find a female gym teacher or person into fitness to help assist. 
4. Over lap practices a few days a week?  Girls only practice from 3:30-4:30, Co-Ed from 4:50-5:30 boys only from 5:30-6:30?  Just spit balling.  Not sure if that would actually work, but keeping comradery between the boys and girls program will be key.

This is an awesome challenge.  Girls wrestling is growing, it will take time before schools have a full roster and can have girls only team duals.  We will get there.  The first official WIAA girls state tournament is coming!!! The first... how many times can we say that?  I'm sure there are plenty more challenges than what I listed above.  Let's find the challenges and bring solutions to the table.  Girls wrestling in Wisconsin has produced some very high end talent, lets continue to be leaders and advocate for all of our students.  Spare some time, get involved with your local High School, Middle School, Youth Club... everyone needs coaches!!!
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Numbers on June 19, 2021, 06:29:52 PM
How many of you are afraid that the WIAA will move the JV State to the same venue at the same time to take away from the girls again? This is a pretty large venue for just a Girls State Tourney.

While some of you believe this is a good thing, it is like Putting Baby in a Corner. It has already been told to me that it has been figured out that they can run the girls along with the Boys and not add much to the time frames. Also why are they cutting the girls almost a month short in their season? It was also put out that the girls that compete in Girls State are done after Conference unless their team makes State. They claim it is for coaching reasons.But hey if you have a boy or a girl or both make State. And it is in the same place then you either have coaches there or have a coach for them. Plus are you telling me there are no tourneys going on the weekend that they are having the Girls State?  So how are they gonna handle that?

But this is just my opinion

Realize this is just the beginning for girls wrestling in Wisconsin.  Many things will change in the next 5 to 10 years.

I believe in less than ten years, Wisconsin girls wrestling will exceed almost everyone's expectations.  The key will be building the numbers.  Get those young girls into middle school and club programs this winter.

There needs to be a big marketing campaign in the local schools (middle school and high school) to let families know the WIAA now has a female only state wrestling tournament.  Is the WIAA or WWF going to make sure this happens?
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Quack on June 20, 2021, 09:52:02 AM
This really isn’t the beginning of Women’s Wrestling in Wisconsin. Not even in the High School. But yes for the WIAA actually doing something with it, that is true. But it is sad as to how they are going about it. If I remember right it was the Coaches Association that had to vote to get this, the WIAA didn’t favor tit. So that already a speaks volumes (Please correct me if I am wrong). Some of you call this a step in the right direction. But what was the “Girls State” that was run at the same time as JV State? That was the start. That was the step. Had more coaches taken it serious, more girls would have been there. Like mentioned earlier, if coaches are at other tournaments with their team, will they make an effort to take their girls to this? Or say “We need them for scoring”? Putting it a month before the season is over is kind of a slap in the face to the girls. Like they aren’t good enough to be seen at the end of the season.

Another thing I just thought of. How many head coaches are going to willing to give up an already planned tournament, and send their assistant coaches with the team, to take a girl/girls to the State Tournament? I bet more often than not it will be an Assistant with the girl/girls… unless a team hires a girls coach.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: DocWrestling on June 21, 2021, 07:04:43 PM
I guess I am not sure why the WIAA could not figure out a way to...

1) Have all girls wrestle on their teams at regionals for team points and success
2) Sectionals would have what we have now with a "coed" sectional AND a girls only division.  Girls would have to decide in which division they want to wrestle at sectionals AFTER regionals.  All girls that want to wrestle at girls state must wrestle in the girls division at sectionals.  I am not even sure we can't allow a girl to wrestle in the "coed" division at sectionals and if she does not qualify for state then she can enter girls state.
3) Have both girls and boys state at the Kohl Center

That seems too easy. There is time and space to do all this.  Why is the WIAA further complicating this?  Maybe in the future there will be so many girls that things need to be tweaked but right now this could be easily managed right along with the boys
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Quack on June 21, 2021, 07:23:32 PM
Yes Doc, many of those things, as I know it, were put out their before. And as many of us thought, that was the direction this was gonna go. Then POOF this is what passes.

Girls that have been part of a coed team all year now won’t be able to help their team at regionals if they choose to do Girls State. I understand with doing it the other way, it could cause a few problems at sectionals because a girl would have to decide which one she was gonna do if she qualified. But that could be a time line thing where they have until a certain time Monday or even have to make the decision at awards on which way they will compete the following weekend. Since at that point it would t affect team sectionals.

There were way better options out there and I believe many people would have been looking forward to seeing what the girls are actually capable of. But this is what they get handed… pretty sad
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: TomM on June 21, 2021, 08:39:59 PM
Some positives:
As currently planned:
- Every girl is able to be entered in the 2022 WIAA State Tournament at La Crosse. No Qualifier(s) i.e. Regionals or Sectionls.
- The girls will be center stage the entire event.
- The WIAA is spending money to provide a great venue for the event. The Civic Center is not free (I assume).
- Female team members WILL be able to participate in their teams Conference Tournament (if it is not the same day as the WIAA Girls State event).
- Girls may wrestle for their team in the Team Sectional (if the team qualifies.
- The girls event should have a good set of officials. Adding mats and competition to the Kohl Center translates to requiring more high quality, qualified officials. The State is short on those right now.

Points:
-There are no WIAA sports where girls may may compete in the boys and girls regionals.
-The number of girls who may be 'out for wrestling' in 2021-2022 is uncertain.

Quack,
Where is your information coming from? Who is your source? I've not heard some of the items you mention.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: dman on June 22, 2021, 09:49:08 AM
Man...some people will never be satisfied...
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: littleguy301 on June 22, 2021, 10:47:04 AM
Tom.......you asking questions.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: littleguy301 on June 22, 2021, 10:49:16 AM
My main concern is finding coaches for these young ladies. If you look on this forum there has been alot of coaching openings for high school teams. Hard enough to find high school coaches now finding ladies only coaches could be a problem also. Just my 2 cents though.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Quack on June 22, 2021, 02:35:13 PM
Tom which ones are you questioning?
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: bigoil on June 22, 2021, 09:01:32 PM
Pretty awesome that we have a Girls state tournament. Way to go WWCA.

Let it happen, see if we can improve upon it.

Girls basketball was moved to Green Bay, many were pissed, now they love it.

Golf is in the Dells
CC is in Rapids
Soccer is in Milwaukee

Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: TomM on June 22, 2021, 09:29:07 PM
Another positive thought:
 The parents will probably have no problem getting tickets to see their daughter's wrestle in La Crosse Center.  With the way the Kohl Center tickets are usually sold out it might be difficult for a whole new division of kids parents to be able to get tickets.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: dman on June 23, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
How many times do coaches have to split up for JV tournaments being the same weekend as a Varsity tournament??  Why would this be any different??
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Quack on June 23, 2021, 01:04:04 PM
Dman , send your varsity to a tournament and your girl/girls to State. Which one should the head coach go to? Is it right to send the girls with assistant coaches to something that is considered as important as the State Tournament? Or does the coach head to the Varsity tournament because that is what is expected? How many other tournaments are going on during the “Boy’s State”? Coaches may split up for matches if they have more than one going on at a time, but they are all there. Do you understand now?
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: dman on June 23, 2021, 03:23:21 PM
Dman , send your varsity to a tournament and your girl/girls to State. Which one should the head coach go to? Is it right to send the girls with assistant coaches to something that is considered as important as the State Tournament? Or does the coach head to the Varsity tournament because that is what is expected? How many other tournaments are going on during the “Boy’s State”? Coaches may split up for matches if they have more than one going on at a time, but they are all there. Do you understand now?

My take...if you need to ask the question of where does the head coach go in the scenario you started off with then that says a lot about the coaches and the program.  Shouldn't even be a question as to where the head coach goes...why is it that difficult?

This is great news for the growth of girls wrestling in our state and should be celebrated as such. 
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: Quack on June 23, 2021, 06:10:34 PM
It would be great news if it were held with the boys and not a month earlier. But the people who haven’t been involved with women’s wrestling for a long time don’t understand that. The girls have had a State Tournament in conjunction with the JV tourney for a few years now. It is really treated like a weekend youth tournament. No championship parade, no announcements of championship matches. Unless you know what is going on, it is all the same. Then the WWF would hold one. Pretty much the same. They had it solo from anything else one year which was nice. But they also tend to lump it with another tourney which takes away from it being a special event for the girls. While it is nice that the WIAA seems to be recognizing them by holding a tourney for them. It is still a month early, and pushed out of the limelight. Maybe we should be thankful they at least get something. But like I said earlier, how many other tournaments are held on the weekend of “Boy State”? How do their own teammate come cheer them on if they have another school tournament schedule that they have to wrestle at? Is this really fair to the girls?
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: dman on June 24, 2021, 10:24:21 AM
It would be great news if it were held with the boys and not a month earlier. But the people who haven’t been involved with women’s wrestling for a long time don’t understand that. The girls have had a State Tournament in conjunction with the JV tourney for a few years now. It is really treated like a weekend youth tournament. No championship parade, no announcements of championship matches. Unless you know what is going on, it is all the same. Then the WWF would hold one. Pretty much the same. They had it solo from anything else one year which was nice. But they also tend to lump it with another tourney which takes away from it being a special event for the girls. While it is nice that the WIAA seems to be recognizing them by holding a tourney for them. It is still a month early, and pushed out of the limelight. Maybe we should be thankful they at least get something. But like I said earlier, how many other tournaments are held on the weekend of “Boy State”? How do their own teammate come cheer them on if they have another school tournament schedule that they have to wrestle at? Is this really fair to the girls?

Quack...I think we are on the same side of this fight...I agree...the girls should get just as much fan fair as the boys, no doubt.  But, it takes time to get there, just as it did for the boys.  Keep up the good fight my man.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: littleguy301 on June 24, 2021, 09:10:59 PM
How many times do coaches have to split up for JV tournaments being the same weekend as a Varsity tournament??  Why would this be any different??

Your right.

Just looking at the weekend that girls state is we have a varsity, jv and middle school tournament also on the same days and  different towns.

We do not have enough coaches on the paid staff to go to 4 tournaments to be honest so we will be having a non paid staff member driving a school vehicle if we have a girl go out and go to state.

Like I posted before finding enough coaches to go around maybe difficult for some schools. While I support womens wrestling there is going to be some issues.

Also I will ask you dman.....have you ever coached a girls sport being an adult Male. There are many things I. This day and age you must do. Not saying we have creeps as coaches but I made sure I was never alone with any girl at any time. Any of those private talks there was always a peer of the girl in attendance.

Like I have stated...I support female wrestling just I wonder if there is going to be enough coaches to make sure both boys and girls are given every chance to reach their goals and dreams.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: padre on June 25, 2021, 02:03:28 AM
How many times do coaches have to split up for JV tournaments being the same weekend as a Varsity tournament??  Why would this be any different??

Your right.

Just looking at the weekend that girls state is we have a varsity, jv and middle school tournament also on the same days and  different towns.

We do not have enough coaches on the paid staff to go to 4 tournaments to be honest so we will be having a non paid staff member driving a school vehicle if we have a girl go out and go to state.

Like I posted before finding enough coaches to go around maybe difficult for some schools. While I support womens wrestling there is going to be some issues.

Also I will ask you dman.....have you ever coached a girls sport being an adult Male. There are many things I. This day and age you must do. Not saying we have creeps as coaches but I made sure I was never alone with any girl at any time. Any of those private talks there was always a peer of the girl in attendance.

Like I have stated...I support female wrestling just I wonder if there is going to be enough coaches to make sure both boys and girls are given every chance to reach their goals and dreams.

As a head coach I would definitely be going to the girls state tournament.  We also have a tournament that weekend but no doubt I’d make it work.  With the new 14 dates rule there will be many more teams over the next few years wrestling that weekend.  Hopefully things will change down the road as far as dates and how it’s done. 

Quack has been in this fight for a long time.  I’m really happy we are coming around to representing the girls well and hoping there are good numbers ahead....but it’s not going to happen overnight.  With the pandemic year there are so many unknowns out there.
Title: Re: WIAA board of control approves La Crosse Center for state girls wrestling
Post by: littleguy301 on June 26, 2021, 10:44:21 AM
How many times do coaches have to split up for JV tournaments being the same weekend as a Varsity tournament??  Why would this be any different??

Your right.

Just looking at the weekend that girls state is we have a varsity, jv and middle school tournament also on the same days and  different towns.

We do not have enough coaches on the paid staff to go to 4 tournaments to be honest so we will be having a non paid staff member driving a school vehicle if we have a girl go out and go to state.

Like I posted before finding enough coaches to go around maybe difficult for some schools. While I support womens wrestling there is going to be some issues.

Also I will ask you dman.....have you ever coached a girls sport being an adult Male. There are many things I. This day and age you must do. Not saying we have creeps as coaches but I made sure I was never alone with any girl at any time. Any of those private talks there was always a peer of the girl in attendance.

Like I have stated...I support female wrestling just I wonder if there is going to be enough coaches to make sure both boys and girls are given every chance to reach their goals and dreams.

As a head coach I would definitely be going to the girls state tournament.  We also have a tournament that weekend but no doubt I’d make it work.  With the new 14 dates rule there will be many more teams over the next few years wrestling that weekend.  Hopefully things will change down the road as far as dates and how it’s done. 

Quack has been in this fight for a long time.  I’m really happy we are coming around to representing the girls well and hoping there are good numbers ahead....but it’s not going to happen overnight.  With the pandemic year there are so many unknowns out there.

I agree with you and whether it is me or another coach, some one would be going to state.

Just trying to point out some issues with schools and coaching that might arise with few coaches on staff and school rules.