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Title: Krattiger?
Post by: 1Iota on March 22, 2021, 01:17:45 PM
I heard a rumor that Krattiger announced on Instagram that he is transferring.  Can anyone confirm this?  His IG page is private. 
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: mkm13 on March 22, 2021, 01:41:45 PM
Interesting.  He showed improvement this year, but still didn't quite have enough to make the tournament.  Thought he could have continued to improve and eventually help in terms of NCAA points.  That said, every scholarship has value.  Not sure what he was getting for money, but would assume he was getting a fair amount and had no NCAA points to show for it.  Will be curious if this opens up money to find a decent transfer.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: matrat86 on March 22, 2021, 01:44:33 PM
Quote from: mkm13 on March 22, 2021, 01:41:45 PM
Interesting.  He showed improvement this year, but still didn't quite have enough to make the tournament.  Thought he could have continued to improve and eventually help in terms of NCAA points.  That said, every scholarship has value.  Not sure what he was getting for money, but would assume he was getting a fair amount and had no NCAA points to show for it.  Will be curious if this opens up money to find a decent transfer.

+1
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 22, 2021, 01:52:13 PM
Did not see that coming. Really liked Krat. He will be missed.

I wonder if that means that some combination of Wick, Hamiti and Calhoun will be expected to be wrestling 65 and 74. Just speculating. No inside info whatsoever.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: mkm13 on March 22, 2021, 01:58:25 PM
Assuming Wick does not go up, Dow would still be around for 174 if UW is not able to bring in a transfer.  If Dow replaces Krattiger, this probably hurts a little bit in terms of dual meets, but likely not an impact at NCAA's.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: MakingABadgerer on March 22, 2021, 02:54:13 PM

As the program improves there will be some who decide this is not what they signed up for.  Not saying this was the case with Krattiger but sometimes the writing is on the wall that a new guy is coming in and the starter isn't willing to fight for his spot in the lineup and doesn't want to sit behind a younger guy for the remainder of his career.  You'll hear complaints from the former starter/his family/his club & high school coach about being "recruited over".  Again, not saying this happened in this case but it is absolutely going to happen if Bucky is going to succeed.

If Krattiger is planning on continuing his career at the D-1 level, 2021 is a rough time to test the waters (extra covid year has created a mathematical nightmare for coaches to pay the guys on the roster, then add in high school juniors and seniors taking whatever scholarship scraps are available).  Best of luck to him wherever he goes.  Thank you for your service.   
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 22, 2021, 05:29:02 PM
this is weird! Bono talked up Kratty nearly every Jump Around Monday. Guessing Kratty did not buy in and that is concerning to me.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: Ghetto on March 22, 2021, 06:30:50 PM
Sorry to see him go. Hope he lands somewhere he feels is best for him.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: wrastle63 on March 22, 2021, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on March 22, 2021, 05:29:02 PM
this is weird! Bono talked up Kratty nearly every Jump Around Monday. Guessing Kratty did not buy in and that is concerning to me.
Mr Positive again....

I like Krattiger but he hasn't made it to NCAAs and we do have other solid 174 options. Opens up scholarship money for someone else.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: The Legend on March 22, 2021, 07:44:33 PM
Wrastle63, do you provide any sort of information or anything else to a conversation other than calling out other posters?  Maybe you are a half full glass and Dad is a half empty glass?  From what I hear the program should be really really lucky that a few kids have decided to stay.  I won't go into the entire story.  Losing Krattiger sucks and he will land with a good program because the kid works!!
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: mkm13 on March 22, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
It is never ideal to lose someone, especially someone who is a good kid and works hard.  That said, just look at the other post with all the transfers.  Transfers are going to happen. We will lose some, and we will get some. So far, Bono has been able to land more transfers than he has lost, in terms of quality.

I do not believe Krattiger will land with a good program if he is looking for significant scholarship money.  He has finished 3 years in college and has yet to qualify for NCAAs.  Making NCAAs is basically the minimum level expectation for any good program if you are getting good $.  That said, i hope he does and i hope he is able to achieve his goals. It unfortunately didnt happen here.

Hopefully Bono is able to use the scholarship on a guy who can make NCAAs and get at a minimum a few points at the tournament.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: Numbers on March 22, 2021, 10:35:18 PM
The EIWA over allocation of auto qualifiers was crap this year.  There is a reason Krattiger has been ranked in the polls the last two years.  He is a solid wrestler apparently 1 win short of being an NCAA qualifier.

If there were better options on the team I am pretty sure Bono would have wrestled someone else.

Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: TomM on March 22, 2021, 11:10:27 PM
Jared's record included the following among his few (5?) losses in 2021:

#1 Seeded NCAA Runner-Up and #1 Ranked: Michael Kemmerer (Iowa)
#3 Seeded NCAA Champion: Carter Starocci (PSU) (2-3)
#4 seeded NCAA 3rd Place: Mikey Labriola (Nebraska) (4-10)
#7 Seeded NCAA Round of 12: Kaleb Romero (Ohio St.) (5-9)
One 'oops' loss to (NCAA #32 Seeded Drew Hughes MSU)

TWICE Defeated Jake Allar (MN) NCAA Seeded #24 (5-3 and 3-2)

I believe it would have been fair to give him a wild card entry to NCAA's.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 23, 2021, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: TomM on March 22, 2021, 11:10:27 PM
Jared's record included the following among his few (5?) losses in 2021:

#1 Seeded NCAA Runner-Up and #1 Ranked: Michael Kemmerer (Iowa)
#3 Seeded NCAA Champion: Carter Starocci (PSU) (2-3)
#4 seeded NCAA 3rd Place: Mikey Labriola (Nebraska) (4-10)
#7 Seeded NCAA Round of 12: Kaleb Romero (Ohio St.) (5-9)
One 'oops' loss to (NCAA #32 Seeded Drew Hughes MSU)

TWICE Defeated Jake Allar (MN) NCAA Seeded #24 (5-3 and 3-2)


I believe it would have been fair to give him a wild card entry to NCAA's.

Good points Tom. No doubt he was one of the best 33 wrestlers at his weight. Unfortunately with the lack of interconference wrestling the middle of the pack Big Ten wrestlers who were top 25 guys with records around .500 were often getting left out if they did not get an auto-qualifier spot.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 23, 2021, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 23, 2021, 10:53:01 AM
Quote from: TomM on March 22, 2021, 11:10:27 PM
Jared's record included the following among his few (5?) losses in 2021:

#1 Seeded NCAA Runner-Up and #1 Ranked: Michael Kemmerer (Iowa)
#3 Seeded NCAA Champion: Carter Starocci (PSU) (2-3)
#4 seeded NCAA 3rd Place: Mikey Labriola (Nebraska) (4-10)
#7 Seeded NCAA Round of 12: Kaleb Romero (Ohio St.) (5-9)
One 'oops' loss to (NCAA #32 Seeded Drew Hughes MSU)

TWICE Defeated Jake Allar (MN) NCAA Seeded #24 (5-3 and 3-2)


I believe it would have been fair to give him a wild card entry to NCAA's.

Good points Tom. No doubt he was one of the best 33 wrestlers at his weight. Unfortunately with the lack of interconference wrestling the middle of the pack Big Ten wrestlers who were top 25 guys with records around .500 were often getting left out if they did not get an auto-qualifier spot.

Agree with both as Jared should have been in but only so many spots and at some point someone is left out that should have gone. It needed those early season wins that were not wrestled.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: Lunatic Fringe on March 24, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
While I do try to look on the bright side and I can understand why people are trying to make a positive out of losing him.  The thing that worries me more than losing specifically Krattiger has been Wisconsin's inability to fill a roster in the last few years. 

There are currently 24 guys on the WI roster (Including JK)

Nebraska 34
Penn State 33
Ohio State 33
Michigan 32
Iowa 32
Minnesota 32

Hopefully, they can sign some more WI guys to help fill the room.  (Tyler Goebel, Alec Hunter, John Gunderson, Jager Eisch, Luke Mechler)
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: wrastle63 on March 24, 2021, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: Lunatic Fringe on March 24, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
While I do try to look on the bright side and I can understand why people are trying to make a positive out of losing him.  The thing that worries me more than losing specifically Krattiger has been Wisconsin's inability to fill a roster in the last few years. 

There are currently 24 guys on the WI roster (Including JK)

Nebraska 34
Penn State 33
Ohio State 33
Michigan 32
Iowa 32
Minnesota 32

Hopefully, they can sign some more WI guys to help fill the room.  (Tyler Goebel, Alec Hunter, John Gunderson, Jager Eisch, Luke Mechler)
He is going to Minnesota.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: Lunatic Fringe on March 24, 2021, 10:06:39 AM

He is going to Minnesota.
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As soon as I saw that I remembered.

I miss the commitments page that Tom used to do.  Unfortunately, I don't think people would submit information.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: asdf on March 24, 2021, 10:24:17 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 24, 2021, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: Lunatic Fringe on March 24, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
While I do try to look on the bright side and I can understand why people are trying to make a positive out of losing him.  The thing that worries me more than losing specifically Krattiger has been Wisconsin's inability to fill a roster in the last few years. 

There are currently 24 guys on the WI roster (Including JK)

Nebraska 34
Penn State 33
Ohio State 33
Michigan 32
Iowa 32
Minnesota 32

Hopefully, they can sign some more WI guys to help fill the room.  (Tyler Goebel, Alec Hunter, John Gunderson, Jager Eisch, Luke Mechler)
He is going to Minnesota.



Goebel-UW-Lacrosse.  Hunter-UW-Parkside.

Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: Handles II on March 24, 2021, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: Lunatic Fringe on March 24, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
While I do try to look on the bright side and I can understand why people are trying to make a positive out of losing him.  The thing that worries me more than losing specifically Krattiger has been Wisconsin's inability to fill a roster in the last few years. 

There are currently 24 guys on the WI roster (Including JK)

Nebraska 34
Penn State 33
Ohio State 33
Michigan 32
Iowa 32
Minnesota 32

Hopefully, they can sign some more WI guys to help fill the room.  (Tyler Goebel, Alec Hunter, John Gunderson, Jager Eisch, Luke Mechler)
At least for a period of time during the Barry Davis years, the roster at UW was capped at 28. I think I remember Bono saying that they got it up to 30, but don't quote me on that. So we might not be able to get to the 32-34 that some of our competitors have even if we could get more walk-ons in the room.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: npope on March 24, 2021, 12:42:36 PM
I'm not sure as to what competition opportunities present themselves for non-starters these days, but I suspect that might be a missing ingredient in the system these days. Way back when, the UW had a reserve-team comprised on non-starters that would wrestle state system schools in what amounted to exhibition duals. Additionally, there seemed to be more open meets during the season in which these non-starters could compete. As it stands these days, there's not a lot of reason for a non-starter to hang with the program if making the first team isn't in the cards. I think the system would be well-served to contemplate the needs/interests of the practice room students, as well.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: bigoil on March 24, 2021, 01:05:57 PM
Covid people.

Next year there will be a full 32 on the roster.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: Lunatic Fringe on March 24, 2021, 01:13:53 PM
I did not know that Wisconsin had its own cap on the program.  I thought that the entire Big 10 had a cap of 35 guys.  So I did a little research. (All directly from the UW website)

Bono Years
2021: 24
2020: 25
2019: 22
Barry Years
2018: 28
2017: 31
2016: 30
2015: 32

I think it's up to the coaches to set up a decent schedule for the backups.  It seems like some programs their backups are getting 20-30 matches.  Michigan State Open, UNI Open, Iowa State Open, etc. Plus all of the open tournaments in our area.  Wisconsin Open @ Parkside, Concordia Open, Dan Gable Open, UW-EC Open, Loras Open, Dbq Open, etc.

Thanks for the updates on Hunter & Goebel. 
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 24, 2021, 01:56:18 PM
Quote from: TomM on March 22, 2021, 11:10:27 PM
Jared's record included the following among his few (5?) losses in 2021:

#1 Seeded NCAA Runner-Up and #1 Ranked: Michael Kemmerer (Iowa)
#3 Seeded NCAA Champion: Carter Starocci (PSU) (2-3)
#4 seeded NCAA 3rd Place: Mikey Labriola (Nebraska) (4-10)
#7 Seeded NCAA Round of 12: Kaleb Romero (Ohio St.) (5-9)
One 'oops' loss to (NCAA #32 Seeded Drew Hughes MSU)

TWICE Defeated Jake Allar (MN) NCAA Seeded #24 (5-3 and 3-2)

I believe it would have been fair to give him a wild card entry to NCAA's.

Also, 174 Wild Card Jackson Turley from Rutgers, who lost to Jake Allar at the Big Tens, placed 8th at the NCAA's.  Krattiger did not get to wrestle on the 2nd day of the Big Tens due to injury. He probably would have got the Wild Card if placed 9th and beat Turley.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: hammer on March 24, 2021, 03:52:47 PM
I think Wick is moving to 174 and that is why kratts is moving on. Just my beliefs and know nothing to base this one.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: dad 2 5 on May 10, 2021, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: Lunatic Fringe on March 24, 2021, 10:06:39 AM

He is going to Minnesota.

As soon as I saw that I remembered.

I miss the commitments page that Tom used to do.  Unfortunately, I don't think people would submit information.
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Appears to be confirmed that Jared goes to Minnesota.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: tigerking on May 10, 2021, 08:08:01 PM
Who was Minnesota's 174 last year?
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: wrastle63 on May 10, 2021, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: tigerking on May 10, 2021, 08:08:01 PM
Who was Minnesota's 174 last year?
Allar who beat him to get to NCAAs.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: tigerking on May 11, 2021, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on May 10, 2021, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: tigerking on May 10, 2021, 08:08:01 PM
Who was Minnesota's 174 last year?
Allar who beat him to get to NCAAs.

That is right. I believe Kratty beat Allar in the dual. Should be interesting. Does McNally beat them? I think so.
Title: Re: Krattiger?
Post by: wrastle63 on May 11, 2021, 11:05:00 AM
Quote from: tigerking on May 11, 2021, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on May 10, 2021, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: tigerking on May 10, 2021, 08:08:01 PM
Who was Minnesota's 174 last year?
Allar who beat him to get to NCAAs.

That is right. I believe Kratty beat Allar in the dual. Should be interesting. Does McNally beat them? I think so.
McNally beat Krattiger fairly soundly 2 seasons ago. Some transfers can make huge jumps compared to others. When you look at Moran he was at Oklahoma State with great coaching and partners. He got freed up to start and got to wrestle with Gross. Gross' situation didn't change much as he was coached by Bono and Reader at SDSU and Wisconsin. BUT McNally goes from Kent State to Wisconsin, from James Limongi, Tyler Bates, Colin McCracken as starters above/below him to train with to Chris Weiler, Braxton Amos, and then whoever fits in at 65(Dow, Otto, Hamiti, etc.) I think he can make a big jump.