With the pick up of Brook Empy, where does this work for the Badgers? I think Hilger, Amos, Copass, Christianson are under a pretty nice scholarship and looks to be at the same weight. I hear Christianson is around 230 and dont think he is going 184 for sure like some say. I hear Amos is in that neighborhood also walking around and we know Hilger and Copass are HWT. Looking at Empy I think he has some weight to cut to get to 197, so I would like to hear some chatter as to what people think is going to happen. I would say lots of scholarship money in the HWT class at Wisconsin.
Quote from: hammer on February 28, 2021, 02:52:50 PM
With the pick up of Brook Empy, where does this work for the Badgers? I think Hilger, Amos, Copass, Christianson are under a pretty nice scholarship and looks to be at the same weight. I hear Christianson is around 230 and dont think he is going 184 for sure like some say. I hear Amos is in that neighborhood also walking around and we know Hilger and Copass are HWT. Looking at Empy I think he has some weight to cut to get to 197, so I would like to hear some chatter as to what people think is going to happen. I would say lots of scholarship money in the HWT class at Wisconsin.
Amos just wrestled at 205 I believe it said at Underground 4 against Dudley.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 28, 2021, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: hammer on February 28, 2021, 02:52:50 PM
With the pick up of Brook Empy, where does this work for the Badgers? I think Hilger, Amos, Copass, Christianson are under a pretty nice scholarship and looks to be at the same weight. I hear Christianson is around 230 and dont think he is going 184 for sure like some say. I hear Amos is in that neighborhood also walking around and we know Hilger and Copass are HWT. Looking at Empy I think he has some weight to cut to get to 197, so I would like to hear some chatter as to what people think is going to happen. I would say lots of scholarship money in the HWT class at Wisconsin.
Amos just wrestled at 205 I believe it said at Underground 4 against Dudley.
That's correct.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 28, 2021, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: hammer on February 28, 2021, 02:52:50 PM
With the pick up of Brook Empy, where does this work for the Badgers? I think Hilger, Amos, Copass, Christianson are under a pretty nice scholarship and looks to be at the same weight. I hear Christianson is around 230 and dont think he is going 184 for sure like some say. I hear Amos is in that neighborhood also walking around and we know Hilger and Copass are HWT. Looking at Empy I think he has some weight to cut to get to 197, so I would like to hear some chatter as to what people think is going to happen. I would say lots of scholarship money in the HWT class at Wisconsin.
Amos just wrestled at 205 I believe it said at Underground 4 against Dudley.
I was told wrong. I was told 213 and he was dropping a bit to get there.
Still 3 guys with big scholarships at HWT. I hope it works out.
Do we know Empey is getting money?
Scholarships in wrestling are not guaranteed.
I believe schools needed to be creative with scholarship dollars in a year like this. Say you have a full ride athlete not participating due to Covid and a five .2 scholarships. Well for this year they might have been bumped up to .4's and next year zero.
Compass and Hilger will not have much of an overlap.
My understanding is Amos is planning to be at 197. I would assume Empey is not gett8ng much scholarship money, and depth is needed at all weights.
Depending if Hillger uses the free year to stay an extra year, there could be an extra year of overlap with Copass and him.
Christensen appears to be overlap as well at either 197 and HWT. I am guessing he is getting a good chunk of scholarship $, although based on his results so far it seems like the overlap may be necessary.
I would doubt that Alvarez will allow any senior to return with scholarship money. They did not allow that with the spring athletes from last year. Unfortunately seniors in revenue and non-revenue sports will be treated differently when it comes to getting and extra year of scholarship money due to Covid. The NCAA has granted them an extra year of eligibility but the university does not have to grant them scholarship money. Everyone seems to be saying that football and basketball players can come back for another year with scholarship but not the non-revenue sport athletes.
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 01, 2021, 08:38:54 AM
I would doubt that Alvarez will allow any senior to return with scholarship money. They did not allow that with the spring athletes from last year. Unfortunately seniors in revenue and non-revenue sports will be treated differently when it comes to getting and extra year of scholarship money due to Covid. The NCAA has granted them an extra year of eligibility but the university does not have to grant them scholarship money. Everyone seems to be saying that football and basketball players can come back for another year with scholarship but not the non-revenue sport athletes.
I understand a couple volleyball players are planning to come back.
Quote from: mkm13 on March 01, 2021, 07:21:51 AM
My understanding is Amos is planning to be at 197. I would assume Empey is not gett8ng much scholarship money, and depth is needed at all weights.
Depending if Hillger uses the free year to stay an extra year, there could be an extra year of overlap with Copass and him.
Christensen appears to be overlap as well at either 197 and HWT. I am guessing he is getting a good chunk of scholarship $, although based on his results so far it seems like the overlap may be necessary.
I think there maybe an overlap with all 3. Christian looked really big to drop to 197 and a monster for 184. Just asking because confused and some wrong information about Amos weight.
Quote from: mkm13 on March 01, 2021, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 01, 2021, 08:38:54 AM
I would doubt that Alvarez will allow any senior to return with scholarship money. They did not allow that with the spring athletes from last year. Unfortunately seniors in revenue and non-revenue sports will be treated differently when it comes to getting and extra year of scholarship money due to Covid. The NCAA has granted them an extra year of eligibility but the university does not have to grant them scholarship money. Everyone seems to be saying that football and basketball players can come back for another year with scholarship but not the non-revenue sport athletes.
I understand a couple volleyball players are planning to come back.
Volleyball is a "head count" sport, so they all get full scholarships. Not the same as wrestling and other partial scholarship sports.
Volleyball is a women's sport so they need those scholarships if they allow football and men's basketball players to return for Title IX.
Volleyball generates a lot more revenue and interest than wrestling especially when you add in camps.
As handles said volleyball is a full scholarship sport, not a partial scholarship sport like wrestling.
I am just saying I have heard from multiple people that Alvarez will not be treating all athletes the same when it comes the the extra year.
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 01, 2021, 03:04:06 PM
Volleyball is a women's sport so they need those scholarships if they allow football and men's basketball players to return for Title IX.
Volleyball generates a lot more revenue and interest than wrestling especially when you add in camps.
As handles said volleyball is a full scholarship sport, not a partial scholarship sport like wrestling.
I am just saying I have heard from multiple people that Alvarez will not be treating all athletes the same when it comes the the extra year.
Why would BA care? There are only 9.9 scholarships, if used on wrestler A or B, I don't see how it matters to him.
Quote from: bigoil on March 02, 2021, 06:20:24 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 01, 2021, 03:04:06 PM
Volleyball is a women's sport so they need those scholarships if they allow football and men's basketball players to return for Title IX.
Volleyball generates a lot more revenue and interest than wrestling especially when you add in camps.
As handles said volleyball is a full scholarship sport, not a partial scholarship sport like wrestling.
I am just saying I have heard from multiple people that Alvarez will not be treating all athletes the same when it comes the the extra year.
Why would BA care? There are only 9.9 scholarships, if used on wrestler A or B, I don't see how it matters to him.
I guess he would not care if he kept the scholarships at 9.9 but I was making the assumption of adding scholarships for next year. For instance football is allowed to have 85 but next year they will be over 90 scholarships for that one year due to returning seniors.
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 02, 2021, 07:18:14 AM
Quote from: bigoil on March 02, 2021, 06:20:24 AM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 01, 2021, 03:04:06 PM
Volleyball is a women's sport so they need those scholarships if they allow football and men's basketball players to return for Title IX.
Volleyball generates a lot more revenue and interest than wrestling especially when you add in camps.
As handles said volleyball is a full scholarship sport, not a partial scholarship sport like wrestling.
I am just saying I have heard from multiple people that Alvarez will not be treating all athletes the same when it comes the the extra year.
Guys like Wick, Hilliger and Weiler would have their scholarships added onto the 9.9. I think Empey was added to create some depth for this team. I wouldn't be surprised if Wick, Hilliger, and Weiler did not return next year. If they don't return, it is going to be another rough year for the badgers. If they do return, the badgers will be a tough team to beat.
Why would BA care? There are only 9.9 scholarships, if used on wrestler A or B, I don't see how it matters to him.
I guess he would not care if he kept the scholarships at 9.9 but I was making the assumption of adding scholarships for next year. For instance football is allowed to have 85 but next year they will be over 90 scholarships for that one year due to returning seniors.
Quote from: tigerking on March 02, 2021, 09:14:04 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Wick, Hilliger, and Weiler did not return next year.
Weiler I understand. He is a grad student and next year would be his 6th year of college wrestling but I am curious tigerking why you think Evan or Trent would not be back next year. Evan is on a Olympic redshirt and would be a RS senior next year regardless of the extra year so the scholarship-pandemic-extra year really does not impact him. He will have the same years and scholarships as if the extra year never happened. Trent will be a redshirt Junior next year because of the extra eligibility so next year would normally have been his RS senior year so the extra scholarship year for Trent would not be the 21-22 season (next year) it would be the 22-23 season (the following year).
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 02, 2021, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: tigerking on March 02, 2021, 09:14:04 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Wick, Hilliger, and Weiler did not return next year.
Weiler I understand. He is a grad student and next year would be his 6th year of college wrestling but I am curious tigerking why you think Evan or Trent would not be back next year. Evan is on a Olympic redshirt and would be a RS senior next year regardless of the extra year so the scholarship-pandemic-extra year really does not impact him. He will have the same years and scholarships as if the extra year never happened. Trent will be a redshirt Junior next year because of the extra eligibility so next year would normally have been his RS senior year so the extra scholarship year for Trent would not be the 21-22 season (next year) it would be the 22-23 season (the following year).
If Wick doesn't come back that would be a HUGE loss for this team but I really hope he comes back. I think he is wrestling at a very high level right now and I would love to see him finish where he started and make a statement. I have really enjoyed watching him over the years. It would be a shame to lose him. Isn't his girlfriend in Madison ;) ?
Same thing goes for Hillger. His personality and wrestling abilities are critical for the team to be a success next year. I think he will be back and will be hungry. I still think he is going to finish this season stronger than he has been wrestling lately. He has all the tools needed to AA again he just needs to get his mojo back.
I was not expecting Weiler to be back but that would be awesome if he was. He is a tough wrestler and I am excited for what happens in the next few weeks for him.
Honestly, I don't know why these 3 wouldn't want to be a part of something special next year. They have the perfect opportunity to make a difference for this program. As competitors, I would think they would relish the opportunity to help create something that would be remembered. This could be the defining moment for the program. The turning point. Who wouldn't want to be a part of that? If I was Bono, Reader and Gross, I would be selling that to all my current and future wrestlers. Let's go!
Wisconsin still has to pays these scholarships for Weiler and Wick even if they don't count against the 9.9. I forgot that Hilliger is a JR. My bad. I am all for these guys coming back. Wick worries me. He could have wrestled for a free year of eligibility this year and chose not too. He has 0 chance to make the Olympic Team. I don't have a good feeling about this.
Quote from: tigerking on March 03, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
Wisconsin still has to pays these scholarships for Weiler and Wick even if they don't count against the 9.9. I forgot that Hilliger is a JR. My bad. I am all for these guys coming back. Wick worries me. He could have wrestled for a free year of eligibility this year and chose not too. He has 0 chance to make the Olympic Team. I don't have a good feeling about this.
I believe he made his decision prior to the NCAA saying it was a free year. I had the impression that some athletes were concerned that it would turn out like last year and they would lose another season so they sat the year out.
Quote from: tigerking on March 03, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
Wisconsin still has to pays these scholarships for Weiler and Wick even if they don't count against the 9.9. I forgot that Hilliger is a JR. My bad. I am all for these guys coming back. Wick worries me. He could have wrestled for a free year of eligibility this year and chose not too. He has 0 chance to make the Olympic Team. I don't have a good feeling about this.
Perhaps Wick has calculated that his Olympic training experience will better fuel his improvement than this abbreviated college wrestling season might have. It would be interesting to see which aspects of his skillset are garnering the most attention right now, as well as how it facilitates the desired level of improvement. Hopefully, we will get to see him compete as a Badger next year, and his chosen path will pay big dividends.
Quote from: imnofish on March 03, 2021, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: tigerking on March 03, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
Wisconsin still has to pays these scholarships for Weiler and Wick even if they don't count against the 9.9. I forgot that Hilliger is a JR. My bad. I am all for these guys coming back. Wick worries me. He could have wrestled for a free year of eligibility this year and chose not too. He has 0 chance to make the Olympic Team. I don't have a good feeling about this.
Perhaps Wick has calculated that his Olympic training experience will better fuel his improvement than this abbreviated college wrestling season might have. It would be interesting to see which aspects of his skillset are garnering the most attention right now, as well as how it facilitates the desired level of improvement. Hopefully, we will get to see him compete as a Badger next year, and his chosen path will pay big dividends.
Evan openly said he loved his training situation with the Olympic year. He went out to the east coast and trained with Frank Chamizo, went to the RTC Cup, wrestled senior level guys on the RTC cards, etc.
Evan will be wrestling for the Badgers next year!!
Quote from: BuckyMatt on March 03, 2021, 07:04:30 PM
Evan will be wrestling for the Badgers next year!!
Well that is really good to know!
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 03, 2021, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: imnofish on March 03, 2021, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: tigerking on March 03, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
Wisconsin still has to pays these scholarships for Weiler and Wick even if they don't count against the 9.9. I forgot that Hilliger is a JR. My bad. I am all for these guys coming back. Wick worries me. He could have wrestled for a free year of eligibility this year and chose not too. He has 0 chance to make the Olympic Team. I don't have a good feeling about this.
Perhaps Wick has calculated that his Olympic training experience will better fuel his improvement than this abbreviated college wrestling season might have. It would be interesting to see which aspects of his skillset are garnering the most attention right now, as well as how it facilitates the desired level of improvement. Hopefully, we will get to see him compete as a Badger next year, and his chosen path will pay big dividends.
Evan openly said he loved his training situation with the Olympic year. He went out to the east coast and trained with Frank Chamizo, went to the RTC Cup, wrestled senior level guys on the RTC cards, etc.
Sounds like he made a great choice, then! Looking forward to watching him wrestle for Wisconsin next year!
Quote from: imnofish on March 06, 2021, 02:00:49 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 03, 2021, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: imnofish on March 03, 2021, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: tigerking on March 03, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
Wisconsin still has to pays these scholarships for Weiler and Wick even if they don't count against the 9.9. I forgot that Hilliger is a JR. My bad. I am all for these guys coming back. Wick worries me. He could have wrestled for a free year of eligibility this year and chose not too. He has 0 chance to make the Olympic Team. I don't have a good feeling about this.
Perhaps Wick has calculated that his Olympic training experience will better fuel his improvement than this abbreviated college wrestling season might have. It would be interesting to see which aspects of his skillset are garnering the most attention right now, as well as how it facilitates the desired level of improvement. Hopefully, we will get to see him compete as a Badger next year, and his chosen path will pay big dividends.
Evan openly said he loved his training situation with the Olympic year. He went out to the east coast and trained with Frank Chamizo, went to the RTC Cup, wrestled senior level guys on the RTC cards, etc.
Sounds like he made a great choice, then! Looking forward to watching him wrestle for Wisconsin next year!
+1 hoping to see him back with the
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Did Amos redshirt?
Quote from: Army Ant on March 06, 2021, 05:59:38 PM
Did Amos redshirt?
No, he is not registered at UW from what I understand. So it's more of a grey shirt.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on March 03, 2021, 07:04:30 PM
Evan will be wrestling for the Badgers next year!!
Wrong
Quote from: imwi on March 06, 2021, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on March 06, 2021, 05:59:38 PM
Did Amos redshirt?
No, he is not registered at UW from what I understand. So it's more of a grey shirt.
I would say it is nothing. He hasn't enrolled in any college so he is a prospective college athlete. Took a year off, studying over seas, working to pay for college. Any of those terms fit fit better than a grey shirt.