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Title: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on February 20, 2021, 07:43:01 PM
125 Barnett (J)           Rotundo (se)
133 Burwick (So)        Denito (J)
141 Zargo (F)             Escobar (So)
149 Scharenbrock (J) Medora (So)
157 Model (Se)          Bahr (Se)
165 ?Wick? (Se)        Hamiti (F)
174 Kratty (J) or Otto (So) or Dow (J)
184 Kratty (J) or Otto (So) or Dow (J)
197 Amos (F)             Christensen (So) or Salemme (J)
hwy Hillger (Se)         Compass (F)

Not sure how this "free" year will be designated on the grade guys are in.

What are your thoughts? Not a bad team
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: crossface21 on February 21, 2021, 02:44:48 PM
IMO, I have a hard time seeing Christensen on the team next year unless he can somehow get to 184. He has no spot if Amos lives up to the hype. I'd love to see him stay especially for depth, but I just don't see it.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Brncrzy189 on February 22, 2021, 04:07:03 PM
Christensen is not making 184. He would have always had a tough time doing so, and beginning this year at HWT makes it easy to presume they feel his best chance of success is likely at that weight class (Or, at least, continuing to develop his body to where he would be a big 97). If you take a look at the pic of Thor and Pete on Pete's IG from August 2019, Pete is taller and may even have a slightly thicker frame.

Interesting thing for 2022 lineup is would Weiler consider staying another season? If so, do they have the scholarships available to do so with Wick and Amos back in the lineup?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 13, 2021, 12:23:23 AM
Christensen is not making 184. He would have always had a tough time doing so, and beginning this year at HWT makes it easy to presume they feel his best chance of success is likely at that weight class (Or, at least, continuing to develop his body to where he would be a big 97). If you take a look at the pic of Thor and Pete on Pete's IG from August 2019, Pete is taller and may even have a slightly thicker frame.

Interesting thing for 2022 lineup is would Weiler consider staying another season? If so, do they have the scholarships available to do so with Wick and Amos back in the lineup?

If the Badgers could get Weiler back for 10th year (joking) that would help the line up a lot and make is interesting
125 Barnett (J)           Rotundo (se)
133 Burwick (So)        Denito (J)
141 Zargo (F)             Escobar (So)
149 Scharenbrock (J) Medora (So)
157 Model (Se)          Bahr (Se)
165 ?Wick? (Se)        Hamiti (F)
174 Kratty (J) or Otto (So) or Dow (J)
184 Weiler (super SE) Otto (So)
197 Amos (F)             Christensen (So) or Salemme (J)
hwy Hillger (Se)         Compass (F)

Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BackwardsHatAttack on March 13, 2021, 12:28:17 AM
Christensen is not making 184. He would have always had a tough time doing so, and beginning this year at HWT makes it easy to presume they feel his best chance of success is likely at that weight class (Or, at least, continuing to develop his body to where he would be a big 97). If you take a look at the pic of Thor and Pete on Pete's IG from August 2019, Pete is taller and may even have a slightly thicker frame.

Interesting thing for 2022 lineup is would Weiler consider staying another season? If so, do they have the scholarships available to do so with Wick and Amos back in the lineup?

If the Badgers could get Weiler back for 10th year (joking) that would help the line up a lot and make is interesting
125 Barnett (J)           Rotundo (se)
133 Burwick (So)        Denito (J)
141 Zargo (F)             Escobar (So)
149 Scharenbrock (J) Medora (So)
157 Model (Se)          Bahr (Se)
165 ?Wick? (Se)        Hamiti (F)
174 Kratty (J) or Otto (So) or Dow (J)
184 Weiler (super SE) Otto (So)
197 Amos (F)             Christensen (So) or Salemme (J)
hwy Hillger (Se)         Compass (F)

A few thoughts..Otto to 184?  Lol. And who are Denito, Hillger, Compass?  Couldnít find those last names on the roster. 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 13, 2021, 12:38:07 PM
Here is my current projection:

125 Eric Barnett / Ethan Rotondo (Maybe a Barnett redshirt)
133 Kyle Burwick / Cole Bavery (RS)
141 Joey Zargo / Dom Dentino / Trey Escobar
149 Drew Scharenbrock / Dan Stilling (RS) / Aiden Medora (RS) / Cole Carroll (RS)
157 Garrett Model / Devin Bahr / Kevin Meicher / Cody Anderson (RS) (Bahr is very good for a backup)
165 Evan Wick / Josh Otto / Gavin Model (RS) Dean Hamiti (RS)
174 Jared Krattiger / Anders Lantz
184 Tyler Dow / Graham Calhoun (RS)
197 Braxton Amos / Andrew Salemme / Brooks Empey (RS)
285 Trent Hillger / Pete Christensen / Hayden Copass (RS)

High number of projected redshirts next season because of not using a year this season and the double freshman class

Redshirt Sr's that can return - Weiler, Spray, Vosters. Will wait to hear whether they plan to return.

Hamiti and Copass are very good, but are projected behind Wick and Hillger.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on March 13, 2021, 12:42:59 PM
IMO, I have a hard time seeing Christensen on the team next year unless he can somehow get to 184. He has no spot if Amos lives up to the hype. I'd love to see him stay especially for depth, but I just don't see it.

I been hearing christenson is weighing in at 230 so I doubt 184 is a choice. I would bet he is HWT next year.

I like the line up for sure if that is going be the guys on the team!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 13, 2021, 05:40:15 PM
IMO, I have a hard time seeing Christensen on the team next year unless he can somehow get to 184. He has no spot if Amos lives up to the hype. I'd love to see him stay especially for depth, but I just don't see it.

I been hearing christenson is weighing in at 230 so I doubt 184 is a choice. I would bet he is HWT next year.

I like the line up for sure if that is going be the guys on the team!

I have heard the same thing with Peter and thinking he would be moved to HWY or transfers out with another good level guy coming in in Copass
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 13, 2021, 05:43:39 PM
for the spelling police ;D
125 Barnett (J)           Rotundo (se)
133 Burwick (So)        Dentino (J)
141 Zargo (F)             Escobar (So)
149 Scharenbrock (J) Medora (So)
157 Model (Se)          Bahr (Se)
165 ?Wick? (Se)        Hamiti (F)
174 Kratty (J) or Otto (So) or Dow (J)
184 Weiler super SE or Kratty (J) or Dow (J)
197 Amos (F)             Christensen (So) or Salemme (J)
hwy Hillger (Se)         Copass (F)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 13, 2021, 05:49:22 PM
Here is my current projection:

125 Eric Barnett / Ethan Rotondo (Maybe a Barnett redshirt)
133 Kyle Burwick / Cole Bavery (RS)
141 Joey Zargo / Dom Dentino / Trey Escobar
149 Drew Scharenbrock / Dan Stilling (RS) / Aiden Medora (RS) / Cole Carroll (RS)
157 Garrett Model / Devin Bahr / Kevin Meicher / Cody Anderson (RS) (Bahr is very good for a backup)
165 Evan Wick / Josh Otto / Gavin Model (RS) Dean Hamiti (RS)
174 Jared Krattiger / Anders Lantz
184 Tyler Dow / Graham Calhoun (RS)
197 Braxton Amos / Andrew Salemme / Brook Empey (RS)
285 Trent Hillger / Pete Christensen / Hayden Copass (RS)

High number of projected redshirts next season because of not using a year this season and the double freshman class

Redshirt Sr's that can return - Weiler, Spray, Vosters. Will wait to hear whether they plan to return.

Hamiti and Copass are very good, but are projected behind Wick and Hillger.

WWF, that is a line that could produce some good wins and some that I think the Badgers would be favored in many match ups, Barnett; Burwick; Wick; Amos; Hillger and throw in some wins with Kratty and Model and Dow has won some plus maybe a surprise or two out of 41 and 49. could be a fun year. Put Weiler in and then another favored most matches if we make the assumption the guys get healthy. 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on March 14, 2021, 12:57:50 PM
Here is another to think about

Barnett
Burwick
Zargo
Sharenbrock
Model
Otto
Krattiger
Dow
Salemme
Christenson

I dont know where the depth chart is at so I will not speculate. I believe the wrestlers mentioned above will be in the Badger singlet next year. I certainly hope wrestlers like Wick, Hamiti and Amos are in the room but at this point they arent even officially at the UW.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on March 14, 2021, 02:59:03 PM
That is certainly a negative outlook for next year. That team would be bad, but it simply doesnt make sense to not include your 4 best wrestlers.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on March 14, 2021, 03:48:49 PM
That is certainly a negative outlook for next year. That team would be bad, but it simply doesnt make sense to not include your 4 best wrestlers.

Just looking at what we know as wrestlers that are actually in the room. Wick has been training all around and I hear he is in the AWA room coaching a bit. Hamiti has been wrestling for the Sunkist kids and that is out of the ASU room. Amos I hear has been training out east at times. So those mentioned haven't been actually in the badger room and while I sound negative I am only using wrestlers that I know are actually enrolled. Like I said I certainly hope all 3 are in the line up next year. I also forgot about Hilger who I also hope is back next year. Not being negative just working with what we actually have
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on March 14, 2021, 04:18:11 PM
Well if Wick, Amos, Hillger, Hamiti and Weiler are all not on the roster next year, I would assume the coaching staff is not either. 

Transfers happen, or wrestlers decide to do something else, so it wouldn't surprise me if 1 or 2 ended up not wrestling next year, but making a roster with none of them seems like a waste of time.  If they are all gone, it would essentially be starting over from scratch and Bono's first 3 years were a waste.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: matrat86 on March 14, 2021, 04:50:41 PM
That is certainly a negative outlook for next year. That team would be bad, but it simply doesnt make sense to not include your 4 best wrestlers.

Just looking at what we know as wrestlers that are actually in the room. Wick has been training all around and I hear he is in the AWA room coaching a bit. Hamiti has been wrestling for the Sunkist kids and that is out of the ASU room. Amos I hear has been training out east at times. So those mentioned haven't been actually in the badger room and while I sound negative I am only using wrestlers that I know are actually enrolled. Like I said I certainly hope all 3 are in the line up next year. I also forgot about Hilger who I also hope is back next year. Not being negative just working with what we actually have

On the RTCís Rokfin they posted an interview with Amos a few days ago. From watching that post, it looks like heís in Madison training. You also do realize, Gross and Heaton both compete under the Sunkist name?

This post is almost like saying, I saw your wife talking to another man at church, so she must be cheating.

Unless you know something the rest of us donít know, Iíd say your post is almost like throwing spaghetti on the wall and hoping it is al dente.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: 2TD3NF on March 14, 2021, 05:07:42 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Wick move up to 174.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on March 14, 2021, 05:54:13 PM
That is certainly a negative outlook for next year. That team would be bad, but it simply doesnt make sense to not include your 4 best wrestlers.

Just looking at what we know as wrestlers that are actually in the room. Wick has been training all around and I hear he is in the AWA room coaching a bit. Hamiti has been wrestling for the Sunkist kids and that is out of the ASU room. Amos I hear has been training out east at times. So those mentioned haven't been actually in the badger room and while I sound negative I am only using wrestlers that I know are actually enrolled. Like I said I certainly hope all 3 are in the line up next year. I also forgot about Hilger who I also hope is back next year. Not being negative just working with what we actually have

On the RTCís Rokfin they posted an interview with Amos a few days ago. From watching that post, it looks like heís in Madison training. You also do realize, Gross and Heaton both compete under the Sunkist name?

This post is almost like saying, I saw your wife talking to another man at church, so she must be cheating.

Unless you know something the rest of us donít know, Iíd say your post is almost like throwing spaghetti on the wall and hoping it is al dente.

Not saying anything. Just looking at this years roster and figuring out the starters for next year. Also pointing out where people are training at times. I realize that gross wrestles for Sunkist kid. Is gross out training at ASU also like Hamiti? Dang, some people just get all worked up about really nothing. One can only speculate for next year. I used my speculation on wrestlers that are actually enrolled in school and on the team. Like I stated before I certainly hope those 3 we are talking about will be on the team next but until they step foot into the room or campus it is only speculation. I know nothing about the inner workings or anything. So no gossip either.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: PAUL on March 14, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Who was my wife talking to??   
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: npope on March 14, 2021, 06:38:28 PM
I can see where hammer is coming from - could happen - but it would be akin to the wheels falling off the cart for Bono. So, given that it is acknowledged as just speculation I too would just take it for what it is...a bad dream. But I would be lying if I said I hadn't had some of those same thoughts...just not all of them at the same time.

Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BuckyMatt on March 14, 2021, 09:54:32 PM
So every recruit, every athlete taking a redshirt, every athlete taking a grey shirt, and every athlete taking a Olympic redshirt, shouldnít be couldnít in next years lineup, for any college? For any sport?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on March 15, 2021, 01:31:00 AM
So every recruit, every athlete taking a redshirt, every athlete taking a grey shirt, and every athlete taking a Olympic redshirt, shouldnít be couldnít in next years lineup, for any college? For any sport?

Never said that at all. Wick isnt at school, correct. Amos and Hamiti havent enrolled at Madison yet due to Hamiti is still a high schooler and Amos is on a grey? Shirt year if I am correct. So is Wick thought of as a red shirt, grey shirt or Olympic year? Also outside of grey shirt I believe you can still go to college, correct. Dang people loosen up a bit on this. Just a simple post as to what the Badger have in their room this year to speculate about. Look at the title of the thread! Who knows the Badgers may pull in a monster transfer for next year that will make the lineup tough as nails. Anyone want to say that right now. Between now and next Novemeber alot can change but the one thing is we know who is in the room right now. I dont have a reason as to why the 3 we talk about wouldn't be enrolled in school next year and be on the team.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 15, 2021, 02:51:13 AM
If you go look at the twitter accounts of each of the new recruits they are all still coming to Wisconsin.  I think they are all excited to be a part of something big next year and realize they are the nucleus of the team going forward.

Joey Zargo ,Dean Hamiti , Braxton Amos, and Hayden Copass are going to fill in some huge gaps in the line up next year.  Remember those names!  These are high level recruits and Badger fans should be excited.  I am happy they have all found places to train in this crazy covid year. 

If Wick and Weiler come back, this will be a very strong team.  As I said before, I think Wick is going to be super tough next year and I can't wait to see him back in a Badger singlet.  He is a HUGE fan favorite and a team leader.  He is wrestling at a very high level right now.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on March 15, 2021, 09:58:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Wick move up to 174.
Think he would do well at 174, but would make for an interesting move for the lineup. Otto at 165? Could Krattiger make it or does he try to move to 184? Does Hamiti go 165? I thought he would more likely be a 57.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 15, 2021, 12:10:43 PM
So every recruit, every athlete taking a redshirt, every athlete taking a grey shirt, and every athlete taking a Olympic redshirt, shouldnít be couldnít in next years lineup, for any college? For any sport?

Never said that at all. Wick isnt at school, correct. Amos and Hamiti havent enrolled at Madison yet due to Hamiti is still a high schooler and Amos is on a grey? Shirt year if I am correct. So is Wick thought of as a red shirt, grey shirt or Olympic year? Also outside of grey shirt I believe you can still go to college, correct. Dang people loosen up a bit on this. Just a simple post as to what the Badger have in their room this year to speculate about. Look at the title of the thread! Who knows the Badgers may pull in a monster transfer for next year that will make the lineup tough as nails. Anyone want to say that right now. Between now and next Novemeber alot can change but the one thing is we know who is in the room right now. I dont have a reason as to why the 3 we talk about wouldn't be enrolled in school next year and be on the team.

+1!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 15, 2021, 12:11:34 PM
If you go look at the twitter accounts of each of the new recruits they are all still coming to Wisconsin.  I think they are all excited to be a part of something big next year and realize they are the nucleus of the team going forward.

Joey Zargo ,Dean Hamiti , Braxton Amos, and Hayden Copass are going to fill in some huge gaps in the line up next year.  Remember those names!  These are high level recruits and Badger fans should be excited.  I am happy they have all found places to train in this crazy covid year. 

If Wick and Weiler come back, this will be a very strong team.  As I said before, I think Wick is going to be super tough next year and I can't wait to see him back in a Badger singlet.  He is a HUGE fan favorite and a team leader.  He is wrestling at a very high level right now.


Agree!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: heavy9278 on March 15, 2021, 02:49:16 PM
Joey Zargo ,Dean Hamiti , Braxton Amos, and Hayden Copass all signed NLI
I would assume if they were not coming they would have to be released from that and would be big news on FLO
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on March 15, 2021, 03:25:03 PM
Joey Zargo ,Dean Hamiti , Braxton Amos, and Hayden Copass all signed NLI
I would assume if they were not coming they would have to be released from that and would be big news on FLO
How dare you assume that kids who all signed NLI are actually coming to the school they signed with.
No mention of any of these wrestlers on a Flo article from today.
https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6883842-2021-ncaa-d1-transfer-tracker

These are HS kids, but they seem pretty committed to me lol  ::)
https://twitter.com/thebraxtonamos?lang=en
https://twitter.com/hdino42?lang=en
https://twitter.com/copass59?lang=en
https://twitter.com/joseph_zargo?lang=en
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: PAUL on March 15, 2021, 07:41:32 PM
Harris for Governor, or Senator, or President! 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 15, 2021, 08:33:01 PM
Harris for Governor, or Senator, or President!

No Thanks  :)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BuckyMatt on March 16, 2021, 12:05:20 PM
Great Bono interview of Evan Wick about his Olympic Gap year and what he's looking forward to next year!

https://rokfin.com/post/34591?fbclid=IwAR17LVahDTeTK9v3clKXjP95gd8r_Dqymk5FnAM-9IaIIG9HcSaATBM34oM
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 16, 2021, 12:46:23 PM
That's what I'm talking about!  Great interview to put the gossip to rest.  This gap year has been awesome for his development and you can see it when you watch him wrestle.  I love how he said he has one more shot and he wants to make it count.  Very exciting.  Thanks for posting BuckyMatt. 

Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 16, 2021, 12:48:55 PM
Evan still looks like a 165 to me.  I wish Bono had asked him about that.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: matrat86 on March 16, 2021, 01:05:40 PM
Evan still looks like a 165 to me.  I wish Bono had asked him about that.

Rumor has it Wick will be competing in a couple weeks at 74 kilograms. If my middle school education taught me right, that equates to 162.5 pounds. If my 8th grade teacher failed me here, I guess itís time for me to tuck my tail between my legs and move to Minnesota.

If you want to check my math like she did, here it is.

74kg x 2.2lbs = 162.5 pounds
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 16, 2021, 01:20:42 PM
Evan still looks like a 165 to me.  I wish Bono had asked him about that.

Rumor has it Wick will be competing in a couple weeks at 74 kilograms. If my middle school education taught me right, that equates to 162.5 pounds. If my 8th grade teacher failed me here, I guess itís time for me to tuck my tail between my legs and move to Minnesota.

If you want to check my math like she did, here it is.

74kg x 2.2lbs = 162.5 pounds

Your math looks good to me  :) 

I was referencing next year based on some posts earlier in the thread.  I was hoping to hear if he has to cut a lot to make that weight.  Some guys walking around weight is 20 lbs over.  Wick looks like he could step on the scale right now and make 165 which is good for his upcoming competition.  Just trying to visualize what next years lineup will look like.

Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on March 16, 2021, 01:48:16 PM
I believe he never had to cut much weight and he always had a difficult time putting on weight to get bigger.  I would be surprised if he grew enough to be a full sized 174 by next year.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BuckyMatt on March 16, 2021, 01:58:55 PM
Evan still looks like a 165 to me.  I wish Bono had asked him about that.

Rumor has it Wick will be competing in a couple weeks at 74 kilograms. If my middle school education taught me right, that equates to 162.5 pounds. If my 8th grade teacher failed me here, I guess itís time for me to tuck my tail between my legs and move to Minnesota.

If you want to check my math like she did, here it is.

74kg x 2.2lbs = 162.5 pounds

Did you say Move???  If you live anywhere in Wisconsin, don't forget to use the Wrestling Realtor Matt Deadman so part of that money goes back to the RTC ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: bigoil on March 16, 2021, 03:22:14 PM
Evan still looks like a 165 to me.  I wish Bono had asked him about that.

Rumor has it Wick will be competing in a couple weeks at 74 kilograms. If my middle school education taught me right, that equates to 162.5 pounds. If my 8th grade teacher failed me here, I guess itís time for me to tuck my tail between my legs and move to Minnesota.

If you want to check my math like she did, here it is.

74kg x 2.2lbs = 162.5 pounds

Your math looks good to me  :) 

I was referencing next year based on some posts earlier in the thread.  I was hoping to hear if he has to cut a lot to make that weight.  Some guys walking around weight is 20 lbs over.  Wick looks like he could step on the scale right now and make 165 which is good for his upcoming competition.  Just trying to visualize what next years lineup will look like.
I believe early on he wasn't dropping much but I recall reading last year he was up to about 10# over, given his frame, that seems very comfortable vs what may be more normal of 20#.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 16, 2021, 08:48:53 PM
Evan still looks like a 165 to me.  I wish Bono had asked him about that.

Rumor has it Wick will be competing in a couple weeks at 74 kilograms. If my middle school education taught me right, that equates to 162.5 pounds. If my 8th grade teacher failed me here, I guess itís time for me to tuck my tail between my legs and move to Minnesota.

If you want to check my math like she did, here it is.

74kg x 2.2lbs = 162.5 pounds

SO can he get to 57 ;D
Just kidding, this is great news to firm up. Let's see what other pieces fall into place
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 16, 2021, 09:17:43 PM
This year was rough but we knew that coming into the season with Covid.  I am still very hopeful with our 4 NCAA qualifiers this week and would love to see them end the season on a positive note.

I think the lineup below looks great for next year.  I put Weiler in there for wishful thinking.  I apologize if I forgot anyone or have incorrect weights or accomplishments.  This team will be very competitive in duals and tournaments and is a great foundation for the future.  I think Bono, Reader and Gross have done a great job putting the pieces in place.  I also think the experience some of the younger wrestlers got this year will make the room tougher next year which is a good thing.  Let's go!

125 Eric Barnett (NCAA Qualifier), Ethan Rotondo
133 Kyle Burwick (NCAA Qualifier), Cole Bavery
141 Joey Zargo (FloNationals Champion), Dominic Dentino (Current starter), Trey Escobar, Dan Stilling
149 Drew Scharenbrock (Current starter), Cody Anderson, Aiden Medora, Kevin Meicher, Cole Carroll (New Recruit from New Jersey)
157 Garrett Model (Current starter) or D.J. Hamiti (Super 32 Champion, Fargo National Champion), Devin Bahr, Patrick Spray (Graduating Senior?)
165 Evan Wick (3X NCAA All-American), Josh Otto (Current starter), Gavin Model, Seth Vosters (Graduating Senior?)
174 Jared Krattiger (Current starter) or Tyler Dow, Anders Lantz, Graham Calhoun (New Recruit from Indiana)
184 Chris Weiler (3X NCAA Qualifier) or Tyler Dow
197 Braxton Amos (3X Super 32 Champion, 5X Fargo National Champion), Peter Christensen, Andrew Salemme (Current starter)
285 Trent Hillger (3X NCAA Qualifier, All-American) or Hayden Copass (Super 32 Champion, 2X Fargo National Champion), Brooks Empey (New Recruit from Stoughton, WI)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 16, 2021, 10:01:05 PM
I think we all could get pretty excited about that line up!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on March 16, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
Not much has been said about Zargo lately.  He was injured last year and has had somewhat mixed results this year in limited action.  He was fairly highly ranked and many thought he had a high ceiling in college as he is good at getting to guys legs.  Not sure how much this COVID year plus the injury last year hurt his growth, but it would be a nice surprise if he was ready to be a top 20 wrestler next year already.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrestlemania on March 16, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
"That's what I'm talking about!  Great interview to put the gossip to rest.  This gap year has been awesome for his development and you can see it when you watch him wrestle.  I love how he said he has one more shot and he wants to make it count.  Very exciting.  Thanks for posting BuckyMatt."

This is indeed good news and this is coming from a well-rehearsed skeptic. This is the first good, HARD sign, barring nothing else, Wick will be back next season.

Wisconsin can have a very good team if the line-up works out to what we hope it will be (including having Weiler back as well). But as anyone who has followed UW wrestling will tell you, all our best hopes have never worked out either because of injuries, transfers, ineligibilities, or just plain bad luck or what have you.  Keep your fingers crossed and hope by next fall for once in this program's snakebit history all the pieces can fall into place. 


125 Eric Barnett (NCAA Qualifier), Ethan Rotondo
133 Kyle Burwick (NCAA Qualifier), Cole Bavery
141 Joey Zargo (FloNationals Champion), Dominic Dentino (Current starter), Trey Escobar, Dan Stilling
149 Drew Scharenbrock (Current starter), Devin Bahr, Cody Anderson, Aiden Medora, Kevin Meicher, Cole Carroll (New Recruit from New Jersey)
157 Garrett Model (Current starter) or D.J. Hamiti (Super 32 Champion, Fargo National Champion), Patrick Spray (Graduating Senior?)
165 Evan Wick (3X NCAA All-American), Josh Otto (Current starter), Gavin Model, Seth Vosters (Graduating Senior?)
174 Jared Krattiger (Current starter) or Tyler Dow, Anders Lantz, Graham Calhoun (New Recruit from Indiana)
184 Chris Weiler (3X NCAA Qualifier) or Tyler Dow
197 Braxton Amos (3X Super 32 Champion, 5X Fargo National Champion), Peter Christensen, Andrew Salemme (Current starter)
285 Trent Hillger (3X NCAA Qualifier, All-American) or Hayden Copass (Super 32 Champion, 2X Fargo National Champion), Brooks Empey (New Recruit from Stoughton, WI)


Yeah I hope it's like this too.  Good numbers, good talent.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on March 17, 2021, 12:05:58 PM
Not much has been said about Zargo lately.  He was injured last year and has had somewhat mixed results this year in limited action.  He was fairly highly ranked and many thought he had a high ceiling in college as he is good at getting to guys legs.  Not sure how much this COVID year plus the injury last year hurt his growth, but it would be a nice surprise if he was ready to be a top 20 wrestler next year already.

Interesting you brought that up. I was thinking of Joey Zargo the other day and went back and re-watched his matches from the Junior Nationals from November. He had some nice wins (including a tech of Joey Bianchi) and ended up losing in the blood round so he was top 12. Very tough bracket with a lot of high end wrestlers and recruits. For some perspective Bryce Andonian (NCAA 6 seed at 149) was 2nd and Sammy Alvarez was 5th. Also recall that Joey was beating Dean Hamiti 6-0 before being cradled and pinned at the 2019 Cadet World Team Trials. Definitely would be expecting him to big a regular in the line up for the next 4 years.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on March 17, 2021, 12:10:48 PM
Not much has been said about Zargo lately.  He was injured last year and has had somewhat mixed results this year in limited action.  He was fairly highly ranked and many thought he had a high ceiling in college as he is good at getting to guys legs.  Not sure how much this COVID year plus the injury last year hurt his growth, but it would be a nice surprise if he was ready to be a top 20 wrestler next year already.

Interesting you brought that up. I was thinking of Joey Zargo the other day and went back and re-watched his matches from the Junior Nationals from November. He had some nice wins (including a tech of Joey Bianchi) and ended up losing in the blood round so he was top 12. Very tough bracket with a lot of high end wrestlers and recruits. For some perspective Bryce Andonian (NCAA 6 seed at 149) was 2nd and Sammy Alvarez was 5th. Also recall that Joey was beating Dean Hamiti 6-0 before being cradled and pinned at the 2019 Cadet World Team Trials. Definitely would be expecting him to big a regular in the line up for the next 4 years.
Zargo has also wrestled McCrystal very tough. McCrystal was a very solid and highly ranked 149 while in college. I am sure like almost every freshman he is making some adjustments, but I agree with the thought that he will be a regular in the lineup. He has done a great job of getting to legs in the underground matches just needs to work on finishing and he has a great pace.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Handles II on March 17, 2021, 12:46:28 PM
I'm curious, realistically, when we are saying we will be "very tough" or whatever, what does that mean?
Would we be in the top 50% of the Big 10 in duals? In the tournament? Both?
#1 and #2 are pretty much locked up by Iowa and Penn St.  I read recently that Penn has four #1 ranked HS recruits coming in, plus others in the top 5. They are going to be up there for the long haul.
IMO...
Nebraska (big improvments this year) Ohio State, Michigan are probably 3-5. Ohio had an uncharacteristic down year, but has plenty returning that are taking a redshirt.
Minnesota, Illinios, and Michigan St. 6-8

Where do we realistically fit? Who of these will we be definitively better than?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on March 17, 2021, 01:03:37 PM
I'm curious, realistically, when we are saying we will be "very tough" or whatever, what does that mean?
Would we be in the top 50% of the Big 10 in duals? In the tournament? Both?
#1 and #2 are pretty much locked up by Iowa and Penn St.  I read recently that Penn has four #1 ranked HS recruits coming in, plus others in the top 5. They are going to be up there for the long haul.
IMO...
Nebraska (big improvments this year) Ohio State, Michigan are probably 3-5. Ohio had an uncharacteristic down year, but has plenty returning that are taking a redshirt.
Minnesota, Illinios, and Michigan St. 6-8

Where do we realistically fit? Who of these will we be definitively better than?
They have 1 guy who got hurt. He would have been at 165 where they have  Ethan Smith not that big of a difference. We have for sure 2 very high level guys and their replacements  went 0-17. HUGE point differential in duals, Big Ten tourney, and especially NCAAs.
You also talk about how Nebraska made big improvements, but we almost beat them head to head in a dual with this current team.  ::)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 17, 2021, 02:01:17 PM
I'm curious, realistically, when we are saying we will be "very tough" or whatever, what does that mean?
Would we be in the top 50% of the Big 10 in duals? In the tournament? Both?
#1 and #2 are pretty much locked up by Iowa and Penn St.  I read recently that Penn has four #1 ranked HS recruits coming in, plus others in the top 5. They are going to be up there for the long haul.
IMO...
Nebraska (big improvments this year) Ohio State, Michigan are probably 3-5. Ohio had an uncharacteristic down year, but has plenty returning that are taking a redshirt.
Minnesota, Illinios, and Michigan St. 6-8

Where do we realistically fit? Who of these will we be definitively better than?

Wick can beat anyone at 165 this year including Marinelli at Iowa.  Not saying he wins them all, but he has the talent to beat any one of them.  Hamiti will have one year in the room with Wick and his potential is awesome as well if he doesn't start next year.  I really think he could push Model as well next year if he can make 157.  I love that WI will have some guys like Hamiti and Copass in the room to push this years starters.

Amos is right up there at 197 as well in my opinion and I can't wait to see him wrestle Amine from Michigan and Schultz from Nebraska.  He just beat a top 10 senior level guy who was an NCAA runner up.  Based on what he has done at the high school, Cadet, Junior and Senior level, he should be something special.  This guy is the real deal and the type of person you want to build your program around.

Hillger and Weiler have proven they can be top 8 guys and Copass is coming as well.

125 is wide open after Spencer Lee from Iowa.  Barnett is improving and I believe has the talent, drive, and work ethic to All American in the next 2 years.  133 is similar.  RBY at Penn State and Desanto at Iowa are top level but after that it opens up quite a bit.  I could see Burwick making strides as well.  You have to remember, both of these guys are now working with Seth Gross.  I expect to keep seeing improvement in their wrestling.  Slot in Zargo who has a lot of upside who will be working with Gross as well and we have a tough set of light weights.  I can't wait to see what Gross can do as a coach.

Make no mistake, this team will be better next year and has the potential to be top 5 in the Big Ten if everyone stays healthy and the young guys keep improving.  I know a lot of people are down this year and I have felt that way as well but help is coming from some very high level recruits.  Yes it will be very hard to jump above Iowa, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska and Ohio State but I could see Wisconsin closing the gap tremendously.  I think we look very comparable to a Michigan, Ohio State or Nebraska next year if things progress as planned.

If Bono can pull in one more high level transfer for next year we could really see some fireworks as well!  Anything is possible.  With Gross working with the light weights and Reader handling the big guys, this team will get better.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 17, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
Just a reminder of who is coming. 

https://uwbadgers.com/news/2020/11/16/wrestling-badgers-welcomes-new-wrestlers-for-2021.aspx (https://uwbadgers.com/news/2020/11/16/wrestling-badgers-welcomes-new-wrestlers-for-2021.aspx)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: bigoil on March 17, 2021, 02:29:16 PM
Top 10 in the nation, top 5 in the big 10 are definitely achievable results for UW, especially in duals, tournaments are so dominated by top end talent, the verdict would still be out on how the points add up but I'd still expect it to be in that range if they get a transfer that  based on history that might shore up a spot or two if we can talk Crazyhorse Weiler to come back for one more year.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on March 21, 2021, 12:54:12 PM
This was posted by Tom in another thread.  Read these Bono quotes carefully to get some insight into next year.  Looks like Hillger had an illness or injury and Weiler is coming back.

Trent Hillger:

"What can I say about Trent?" said Wisconsin head coach Chris Bono. "Everyone wrote him off early, he needs to heal up! He competed with such grit this weekend, I could not be more proud of him.

"A three-time All-American, placing sixth this year, his highest placing ever in this tournament. He is a leader on this team! I can't wait for next year with Trent."

Chris Weiler:

"Chris had a disappointing NCAA tourney this year, but has the potential and talent to be an All-American," said Bono. "He needs to heal up and get ready to make a run at it next year. He has been a great addition to the team this year."
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on March 21, 2021, 04:39:19 PM
Good to see Weiler might be coming back next year. I think he was pretty hurt at the end of the year and if healthy, can be an AA candidate.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Metalman on March 21, 2021, 07:58:01 PM
Christianson outweighs Hillger 25 pounds. It will be a stretch for him to make 197.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 21, 2021, 08:44:41 PM
Christianson outweighs Hillger 25 pounds. It will be a stretch for him to make 197.

Where did you hear he was 25# heavier? Not sure I heard he was there but true that it would be very tough for him to get down to 97. Amos will take that weight from everyone I talk with.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on March 21, 2021, 11:22:58 PM
Christianson outweighs Hillger 25 pounds. It will be a stretch for him to make 197.

I could believe 25 pounds on Amos.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Army Ant on March 29, 2021, 11:03:29 PM
Remember all the other teams are returning everybody also.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on March 30, 2021, 08:35:14 AM
Remember all the other teams are returning everybody also.
Not true. Not everyone is returning. Many guys will be moving on to their careers.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Army Ant on March 30, 2021, 12:40:53 PM
Remember all the other teams are returning everybody also.
Not true. Not everyone is returning. Many guys will be moving on to their careers.

Didnt mean that literally. My point is that the badgers wont improve as much as they otherwise would compared to everybody else because few wrestlers are leaving. Mist other teams will also improve.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 30, 2021, 04:14:24 PM
It will be interesting to see how many come back for their 5th, 6th or 7th years.

Not a simple decision health and career wise.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on March 30, 2021, 04:53:51 PM
Remember all the other teams are returning everybody also.
Not true. Not everyone is returning. Many guys will be moving on to their careers.

Didnt mean that literally. My point is that the badgers wont improve as much as they otherwise would compared to everybody else because few wrestlers are leaving. Mist other teams will also improve.
Ah ok. Yea a lot of teams won't be losing much, but I don't think any team in the nation will be bringing in the points that the Badgers will with Wick and Amos plus other potential changes. 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on March 30, 2021, 06:37:43 PM
Remember all the other teams are returning everybody also.
Not true. Not everyone is returning. Many guys will be moving on to their careers.

Didnt mean that literally. My point is that the badgers wont improve as much as they otherwise would compared to everybody else because few wrestlers are leaving. Mist other teams will also improve.
Ah ok. Yea a lot of teams won't be losing much, but I don't think any team in the nation will be bringing in the points that the Badgers will with Wick and Amos plus other potential changes.

You could be right though.......what ever team lands Shane Griffin might beg to differ and what if that same team lands another Stanford wrestler. Remember their are some teams that have champs sitting out still......Cornell,  Michigan to name a quick couple.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: DarkKnight on March 30, 2021, 06:41:01 PM
Next year will be fun when it comes.

I'm not going to get all hopped up and too crazy about.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on March 30, 2021, 07:09:13 PM
Rumor at the Shack in Stratford is Gavin Drexler is going to become a Badger. Great kid. Great Family. Future All-American for the Badgers. Geaux Tigers.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on March 30, 2021, 07:17:12 PM
Remember all the other teams are returning everybody also.
Not true. Not everyone is returning. Many guys will be moving on to their careers.

Didnt mean that literally. My point is that the badgers wont improve as much as they otherwise would compared to everybody else because few wrestlers are leaving. Mist other teams will also improve.
Ah ok. Yea a lot of teams won't be losing much, but I don't think any team in the nation will be bringing in the points that the Badgers will with Wick and Amos plus other potential changes.

You could be right though.......what ever team lands Shane Griffin might beg to differ and what if that same team lands another Stanford wrestler. Remember their are some teams that have champs sitting out still......Cornell,  Michigan to name a quick couple.
Cornellís whole team was out. They didnít have anyone sitting out. Michigan doesnít have any champs sitting out. Wick and Amos >Griffith
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on March 30, 2021, 08:33:24 PM
Remember all the other teams are returning everybody also.
Not true. Not everyone is returning. Many guys will be moving on to their careers.

Didnt mean that literally. My point is that the badgers wont improve as much as they otherwise would compared to everybody else because few wrestlers are leaving. Mist other teams will also improve.
Ah ok. Yea a lot of teams won't be losing much, but I don't think any team in the nation will be bringing in the points that the Badgers will with Wick and Amos plus other potential changes.

You could be right though.......what ever team lands Shane Griffin might beg to differ and what if that same team lands another Stanford wrestler. Remember their are some teams that have champs sitting out still......Cornell,  Michigan to name a quick couple.
Cornellís whole team was out. They didnít have anyone sitting out. Michigan doesnít have any champs sitting out. Wick and Amos >Griffith

I was under the impression Steven Micic had another year but what would be be in age, 25ish? What I was trying to say is Cornell probably will have the most points coming back next year due to they didn't compete last year. Another team to take into account. I agree Wisconsin has some serious points coming back but with the transfer portal with so many names could help some one big time maybe Wisconsin! I think a Shane Griffin would be a huge point pick up for any team. What does he have that Wick and Amos dont have yet??
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on March 30, 2021, 10:37:09 PM
Rumor at the Shack in Stratford is Gavin Drexler is going to become a Badger. Great kid. Great Family. Future All-American for the Badgers. Geaux Tigers.

That would be good to hear. How has he done in national tournaments against other future college wrestlers?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Army Ant on April 03, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Hope badgers can start keeping most of the top in-state talent. Glad to see OToole, Kekesian and Buchanen AA this year but that's more than what the Badgers had. I heard grades had something to do with why one of them didnt get into wi though so you can only do so much....
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on April 04, 2021, 09:36:21 PM
Based on how OTT went have to feel even better about next season with Amos and Wick. Wick beat some very solid competitors including some that he has lost to in the past! Would have liked to have seen Braxton wrestle more freestyle but completely understand why he didn't.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Ghetto on April 05, 2021, 12:17:08 AM
Really excited about Wisconsin wrestling after this weekend. Great job by all the young men and women associated with the Badgers and the RTC.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on April 07, 2021, 03:24:59 PM
Rumor at the Shack in Stratford is Gavin Drexler is going to become a Badger. Great kid. Great Family. Future All-American for the Badgers. Geaux Tigers.

That would be good to hear. How has he done in national tournaments against other future college wrestlers?

Went 10-0 at USAW Club Duals in the Preseason and beat Jack Severin 12-6.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on April 08, 2021, 01:24:57 PM
Has anyone put Max Dean in the Badgers projected line up for next year?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 08, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
Has anyone put Max Dean in the Badgers projected line up for next year?

Max Dean would be a great addition to any team. 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on April 08, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
Might as well bring Gabe Dean as well to the WRTC to train with Braxton. 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 08, 2021, 03:40:24 PM
Might as well bring Gabe Dean as well to the WRTC to train with Braxton.

That would be awesome.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: bigG on April 09, 2021, 12:10:58 PM
Be a huge get. Man, that would lift some spirits.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: walden_hiker on April 09, 2021, 04:03:01 PM
Has anyone put Max Dean in the Badgers projected line up for next year?

Word is they are looking to head back home to one of the Michigan schools.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: digimon on April 11, 2021, 08:20:13 AM
Like the title states: "Too Early to" tell
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: heart123 on April 11, 2021, 09:32:40 AM
Thought krattinger was in transfer pool?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on April 11, 2021, 03:33:55 PM
Thought krattinger was in transfer pool?

He is. I think everyone needs to pull him out and put up new way too early line up projections
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on April 11, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
maybe:

125 Barnett (J)           Rotundo (se)
133 Burwick (So)        Dentino (J)
141 Zargo (F)             Escobar (So)
149 Scharenbrock (J) Medora (So)
157 Model (Se)          Bahr (Se)
165 Wick (Se)        Hamiti (F)
174 Otto (So) or Dow (J)
184 Weiler super SE or Dow (J)
197 Amos (F)             ?Christensen (So)? or Salemme (J)
hwy Hillger (Se)         Copass (F)

I am think we see a transfer or two yet that will change this, Hopefully transfer in not out
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on April 13, 2021, 08:35:53 AM
Rumor at the Shack in Stratford is Gavin Drexler is going to become a Badger. Great kid. Great Family. Future All-American for the Badgers. Geaux Tigers.
The Shack is wrong. But not wrong on great kid and family.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on April 13, 2021, 12:57:07 PM
Andrew McNally would look good at 174.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on April 13, 2021, 01:57:51 PM
Andrew McNally would look good at 174.

He has listed Wisconsin in the 4 he is considering so that seems like there is a decent chance. The other 3 are Pitt, OK St and Iowa St.

Also Austin Gomez is unretired, moving up to 141. He said he has been contacted by several schools including Wisconsin. He has had concussion issues but also has wins over RBY and DeSanto back in 2019.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on April 13, 2021, 02:35:23 PM
Andrew McNally would look good at 174.

He has listed Wisconsin in the 4 he is considering so that seems like there is a decent chance. The other 3 are Pitt, OK St and Iowa St.

Also Austin Gomez is unretired, moving up to 141. He said he has been contacted by several schools including Wisconsin. He has had concussion issues but also has wins over RBY and DeSanto back in 2019.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/wrestling/2020/01/15/iowa-state-wrestling-austin-gomez-medical-hardship-cyclones-roster/4477596002/
Gomez has quite a bit of eligibility left as well.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on April 13, 2021, 04:39:56 PM
Rumor at the Shack in Stratford is Gavin Drexler is going to become a Badger. Great kid. Great Family. Future All-American for the Badgers. Geaux Tigers.
The Shack is wrong. But not wrong on great kid and family.

I was about to say! Bono just let ANOTHER All-American cross state lines.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BackwardsHatAttack on April 16, 2021, 10:10:27 AM
Luka Wick to Cal-Poly.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on April 16, 2021, 10:40:30 AM
Luka Wick to Cal-Poly.

Thought the blood line would bring him to Wisconsin...would like to think if we showed any interest in him that he would be at UW.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Numbers on April 16, 2021, 11:04:19 AM
Luka Wick to Cal-Poly.

Thought the blood line would bring him to Wisconsin...would like to think if we showed any interest in him that he would be at UW.

If Luca and Hamiti are different weights in a year or two, maybe Luca will transfer to Wisconsin?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on April 16, 2021, 12:53:27 PM
Luka Wick to Cal-Poly.

Thought the blood line would bring him to Wisconsin...would like to think if we showed any interest in him that he would be at UW.
LOL
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: npope on April 16, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
Luka Wick to Cal-Poly.

Thought the blood line would bring him to Wisconsin...would like to think if we showed any interest in him that he would be at UW.

Not that I know anything behind the scenes, but there are a handful of reasons a recruit might actually want to come to a given school but not be admissible. Not to say that that this issue in play with Luka Wick or Shack, etc., but just that simply assuming that it was a dropped ball on the coaching staff's part isn't necessarily a fair assessment without firsthand information. And these kind of sensitive things can never be divulged by the coaching staff or appropriately discussed on public forums.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: imwi on April 17, 2021, 04:52:11 PM
Also, he's from CA isn't he?  And stayed in CA?  That wouldn't have anything to do with the young man's decision, would it?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrestlingfan32 on April 18, 2021, 08:13:57 AM
I also believe I read somewhere he wants to create his own path and not follow Evan and Zander.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: rjchev141 on April 24, 2021, 10:01:14 AM
Bono and Co. are crushing it in the transfer portal so far (Moran, Gross, Breske, Watkins, Sebastian, Weiler, McNally)!  Looking at what is available vs Badgers' roster, here are some thoughts.
-141, 149, 157 are the weights where immediate depth could improve the team
-Jaden Abas, Real Woods, Austin Gomez are immediate AA contenders
-Gabe Tagg & Adam Busiello have plenty of eligibility and potential
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: mkm13 on April 24, 2021, 11:05:29 AM
If we are able to get a guy like Gomez as well, the lineup from top to bottom will be very good. Probably the deepest in terms of top 15 wrestlers we have ever had, which will make for a very good dual team.

In terms of NCAA points, there is a big difference between finishing top 16 and low AA.  Can a few of them sneak into being AA's like Barnett was able to last year? That will make a big difference in terms of potential placement. Next year will be the toughest year in a long time with everyone getting an extra year with COVID, Cornell returning, etc. There will be some stacked teams.  We should be competitive with almost all (except for Iowa, Penn State, and likely Michigan depending what they get rumored transfers ).

Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on April 24, 2021, 12:56:10 PM
If we are able to get a guy like Gomez as well, the lineup from top to bottom will be very good. Probably the deepest in terms of top 15 wrestlers we have ever had, which will make for a very good dual team.

In terms of NCAA points, there is a big difference between finishing top 16 and low AA.  Can a few of them sneak into being AA's like Barnett was able to last year? That will make a big difference in terms of potential placement. Next year will be the toughest year in a long time with everyone getting an extra year with COVID, Cornell returning, etc. There will be some stacked teams.  We should be competitive with almost all (except for Iowa, Penn State, and likely Michigan depending what they get rumored transfers ).

Agree, look at the top ten and there is a lot of good returners on each of them and it seems like they have picked up transfers and freshmen that will be very good:
1       IOWA   10   129.0
2       PSU            9   113.5
3       OKST   9   99.5
4       ASU           8   74.0
5       MICH   8   69.0
6       NCST   9   68.0
7       MINN   9   64.0
7       MIZZ   10   64.0
9       OHST   7   46.5
10       NW           7   45.0
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MakingABadgerer on April 24, 2021, 09:40:21 PM
If everyone stays healthy this will be a good team.  We have had some starters leave, many theories have been discussed, the most realistic one being that the status quo of being content with starting will not cut it with these new guys coming in and pushing the envelope.  There will be plenty of excuses/reasons but as some guys decide they prefer a different route, there will be others who decide they want to transfer in and improve their skills with these young guys as teammates.  We're already seeing it and I suspect we'll see more.  The Bono haters will criticize when someone leaves, the rest of us will smile when someone like McNally comes in.  With Covid (hopefully) behind us, the coaches will be allowed to recruit/coach and the team will be able to use the facilities.

This incoming freshman class (the true freshmen and the grayshirts) is going to be fun to watch.  They're going to improve with guys like Wick/McNally/Weiler/Hilger beating them up in the room and showing them the ropes of college wrestling.

I am very excited about Hamiti and Zargo, both have big frames and are going to grow while they're here.
The expectations for Amos are high.  The photos of Braxton/Bono/Reader at Last Chance & Olympic Trials are recruiting brochures.  He's been very candid with the media that he is jumping levels in this room.  Don't be shocked if a high level 184 comes to Madison within the next year or two to work out with Braxton.
Hearing that both Weiler and Trent's surgeries went well.  Chris staying healthy means a higher finish at NCAA and the ability to redshirt Calhoun.  If Thor stays healthy then another All American finish is in the cards, having Pete on a redshirt and Copass on a redshirt (or even better, a gray shirt) this year sets the deck even more for the future. 

I'm excited to see what our guys do at Juniors next week.

I don't have any inside information about 141, just looked at the portal and made a wish list in no particular order.  Along with our lineup around 141, having Bono and Gross in the room to scrap has to be enticing. 

125 Barnett (So)           Rotundo (Jr)
133 Burwick (Fr)           Dentino (So)
141 The Portal: Gomez (Jr) Tagg (F) Woods (So)  Villareal (Fr)         
149 Zargo (Fr)            Scharenbrock (So)/Medora (Fr)
157 Hamiti (Fr)           Model (Jr)/Bahr (Jr)
165 Wick (Sr)            Otto (Fr)
174 McNally (Sr)        Dow (So)
184 Weiler (Sr)          Calhoun (Fr)
197 Amos (Fr)           Empey (Fr)
285 Hillger (Jr)         Christensen (So)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 25, 2021, 01:33:26 PM
I hope the Badger coaching staff is looking at Koy Hopke from Amery.  He almost beat Jim Mullen from NJ at the Cadet World Team Trials in the semi's.  Koy is an impressive young wrestler who won state as a 220lb freshman. 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 25, 2021, 06:09:53 PM
After watching the Cadet World Team Trials (Age 15-17) here are some Wisconsin wrestlers I am hoping the Badger coaches are watching:

106, Ben Bast, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State Champion, 4th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (48KG)

132, Greyson Clark, Kaukauna, Askren Wrestling Academy, 2X WI State Champion, 1st 2021 Junior Folkstyle Nationals, 7th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (60KG)

145, Zane Licht, Lodi, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State 2nd (lost to Rivera), 1st 2021 16U Folkstyle Nationals, DNP at Cadet Nationals

160, Braeden Scoles, Kewaskum, Askren Wrestling Academy, 2X WI State Champion, 4th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (71KG)

170, Connor Mirasola, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State Champion (Freshman), 2nd 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (80KG), 2nd 2019 14U Freestyle Nationals (lost to Gabe Arnold)

182, Cole Mirasola, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, 5th WI State, 4th 2019 14U Freestyle Nationals, DNP at 2021 Cadet Nationals (80 KG, lost to Rogotzke 3rd and Merril 4th)

220, Koy Hopke, Amery, WI State Champion (Freshman), 1st 16U 2021 Folk Nat, 3rd 2021 Cadet Greco Nationals, 3rd Cadet Freestyle Nationals (110 KG)

220, Max Ramberg,  Baldwin Woodvile, 2nd WI State (to Koy Hopke), 5th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (92 KG)

U15 (13-15)

160 Aeoden Sinclair, Milton, Askren Wrestling Academy, 3rd WI State, 1st 2021 U15 Freestyle Nationals, 1st 2021 U15 Greco Nationals, 1st 2021 16U Folkstyle Nationals





Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on April 25, 2021, 07:51:19 PM
I hope the Badger coaching staff is looking at Koy Hopke from Amery.  He almost beat Jim Mullen from NJ at the Cadet World Team Trials in the semi's.  Koy is an impressive young wrestler who won state as a 220lb freshman.

Agreed and very raw. Pretty average wrestler but great athlete that knows how to win! Image if he got some fine tunning how good he would be! I see he was wearing a pinnacle singlet so help maybe on the way!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on April 25, 2021, 07:57:52 PM
After watching the Cadet World Team Trials (Age 15-17) here are some Wisconsin wrestlers I am hoping the Badger coaches are watching:

106, Ben Bast, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State Champion, 4th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (48KG)

132, Greyson Clark, Kaukauna, Askren Wrestling Academy, 2X WI State Champion, 1st 2021 Junior Folkstyle Nationals, 7th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (60KG)

145, Zane Licht, Lodi, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State 2nd (lost to Rivera), 1st 2021 16U Folkstyle Nationals, DNP at Cadet Nationals

160, Braeden Scoles, Kewaskum, Askren Wrestling Academy, 2X WI State Champion, 4th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (71KG)

170, Connor Mirasola, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State Champion (Freshman), 2nd 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (80KG), 2nd 2019 14U Freestyle Nationals (lost to Gabe Arnold)

182, Cole Mirasola, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, 5th WI State, 4th 2019 14U Freestyle Nationals, DNP at 2021 Cadet Nationals (80 KG, lost to Rogotzke 3rd and Merril 4th)

220, Koy Hopke, Amery, WI State Champion (Freshman), 1st 16U 2021 Folk Nat, 3rd 2021 Cadet Greco Nationals, 3rd Cadet Freestyle Nationals (110 KG)

220, Max Ramberg,  Baldwin Woodvile, 2nd WI State (to Koy Hopke), 5th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (92 KG)

 I have been saying this since this winter, Ramberg is the overlooked gem that some one will be very happy when they find him! Ramberg also finished 6th in Greco to make him a double AA to match his U15 double AA from 2019. He also won pre season nationals beating Juan Mora (ranked 4th at HWT). When some one mentioned Gavin Drexler and how he does against other states champ, I lost track at double figures at other states champs Ramberg has beat since August! I hope Bono knows his number! I also have found out Rambergs dad is a forum regular so maybe he can add something to if Wisconsin is interested.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on April 25, 2021, 08:00:18 PM
I hope the Badger coaching staff is looking at Koy Hopke from Amery.  He almost beat Jim Mullen from NJ at the Cadet World Team Trials in the semi's.  Koy is an impressive young wrestler who won state as a 220lb freshman.

Years latter people will look back and realize Hopke and Ramberg state finals of a battle of 2 nationally ranked guys that got 45 seconds of TV time on Fox TV. How often does Wisconsin get 2 nationally ranked guys going at it in a state match?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 25, 2021, 08:14:21 PM
After watching the Cadet World Team Trials (Age 15-17) here are some Wisconsin wrestlers I am hoping the Badger coaches are watching:

106, Ben Bast, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State Champion, 4th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (48KG)

132, Greyson Clark, Kaukauna, Askren Wrestling Academy, 2X WI State Champion, 1st 2021 Junior Folkstyle Nationals, 7th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (60KG)

145, Zane Licht, Lodi, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State 2nd (lost to Rivera), 1st 2021 16U Folkstyle Nationals, DNP at Cadet Nationals

160, Braeden Scoles, Kewaskum, Askren Wrestling Academy, 2X WI State Champion, 4th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (71KG)

170, Connor Mirasola, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State Champion (Freshman), 2nd 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (80KG), 2nd 2019 14U Freestyle Nationals (lost to Gabe Arnold)

182, Cole Mirasola, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, 5th WI State, 4th 2019 14U Freestyle Nationals, DNP at 2021 Cadet Nationals (80 KG, lost to Rogotzke 3rd and Merril 4th)

220, Koy Hopke, Amery, WI State Champion (Freshman), 1st 16U 2021 Folk Nat, 3rd 2021 Cadet Greco Nationals, 3rd Cadet Freestyle Nationals (110 KG)

220, Max Ramberg,  Baldwin Woodvile, 2nd WI State (to Koy Hopke), 5th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (92 KG)

 I have been saying this since this winter, Ramberg is the overlooked gem that some one will be very happy when they find him! Ramberg also finished 6th in Greco to make him a double AA to match his U15 double AA from 2019. He also won pre season nationals beating Juan Mora (ranked 4th at HWT). When some one mentioned Gavin Drexler and how he does against other states champ, I lost track at double figures at other states champs Ramberg has beat since August! I hope Bono knows his number! I also have found out Rambergs dad is a forum regular so maybe he can add something to if Wisconsin is interested.

I hope Bono knows the West Bend West number as well  ;)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: rjchev141 on April 25, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
If we're looking at this weekend, don't leave off Aeoden Sinclair.  Very impressive weekend to add to his resume.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on April 25, 2021, 08:39:28 PM
After watching the Cadet World Team Trials (Age 15-17) here are some Wisconsin wrestlers I am hoping the Badger coaches are watching:

106, Ben Bast, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State Champion, 4th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (48KG)

132, Greyson Clark, Kaukauna, Askren Wrestling Academy, 2X WI State Champion, 1st 2021 Junior Folkstyle Nationals, 7th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (60KG)

145, Zane Licht, Lodi, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State 2nd (lost to Rivera), 1st 2021 16U Folkstyle Nationals, DNP at Cadet Nationals

160, Braeden Scoles, Kewaskum, Askren Wrestling Academy, 2X WI State Champion, 4th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (71KG)

170, Connor Mirasola, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, WI State Champion (Freshman), 2nd 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (80KG), 2nd 2019 14U Freestyle Nationals (lost to Gabe Arnold)

182, Cole Mirasola, West Bend West, Askren Wrestling Academy, 5th WI State, 4th 2019 14U Freestyle Nationals, DNP at 2021 Cadet Nationals (80 KG, lost to Rogotzke 3rd and Merril 4th)

220, Koy Hopke, Amery, WI State Champion (Freshman), 1st 16U 2021 Folk Nat, 3rd 2021 Cadet Greco Nationals, 3rd Cadet Freestyle Nationals (110 KG)

220, Max Ramberg,  Baldwin Woodvile, 2nd WI State (to Koy Hopke), 5th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (92 KG)

 I have been saying this since this winter, Ramberg is the overlooked gem that some one will be very happy when they find him! Ramberg also finished 6th in Greco to make him a double AA to match his U15 double AA from 2019. He also won pre season nationals beating Juan Mora (ranked 4th at HWT). When some one mentioned Gavin Drexler and how he does against other states champ, I lost track at double figures at other states champs Ramberg has beat since August! I hope Bono knows his number! I also have found out Rambergs dad is a forum regular so maybe he can add something to if Wisconsin is interested.

I hope Bono knows the West Bend West number as well  ;)

That is a big YES! Wisconsin has 3 more years to wine and dine them. Ramberg has 1 more year. Yes there seems to be some good recruits in the under class area in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: bigoil on April 25, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
We have to consider some of the talent we have on the UW talent when looking at these guys ages and weight. Obviously the freshman make a ton of sense but if it is at a weight like Hamiti or Amos and they are a year younger, Iím not sure there will be a great fit for the wrestler/scholarship opportunities.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 25, 2021, 09:25:18 PM
If we're looking at this weekend, don't leave off Aeoden Sinclair.  Very impressive weekend to add to his resume.

Totally agree.  I was more focused on the Cadets.  I will add him to my list.  Thanks!


Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on April 25, 2021, 09:29:25 PM
We have to consider some of the talent we have on the UW talent when looking at these guys ages and weight. Obviously the freshman make a ton of sense but if it is at a weight like Hamiti or Amos and they are a year younger, Iím not sure there will be a great fit for the wrestler/scholarship opportunities.

That is a good answer but hear me out. I have to ask this because I am not in the know at Wisconsin just reading the forum and seeing where they compete. Hilger and Copass are HWT. Looks like Christianson is also going to be a HWT with his current weight. Amos is competing at 213 which means in my eyes he has 16 pounds to trim off for an entire season of wrestling which could be a difficult cut unless he is getting the results being that far under weight which then is really impressive. I also know they have Empy on the roster but he is also 220 which means some weight loss also. Also with Amos talents in the international style he maybe taking some time off for an Olympic cycle which in turn I am looking to add some depth into the lineup and fill ins when needed. Also with some how they take years off nice to have some back ups that can fill in and compete in a high level.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 25, 2021, 09:53:20 PM
I wouldn't mind cherry picking one or two from Minnesota as well:

182 Ryder Rogotzke, Stillwater, MN, Pinnacle Wrestling Club, 3rd MN State, 1st 2021 Cadet Greco Nationals, 3rd 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals

220 Gavin Nelson, Simley, MN, Simley Wrestling Club, 1st MN State, 1st 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (From Kirkvliets hometown) 92KG

5 tech falls and outscored his opponents 53-1.  Pretty Impressive!

You never know.  We have tuition reciprocity with MN and it is just a short drive down to Madison :)

Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on April 25, 2021, 10:02:49 PM
I wouldn't mind cherry picking one or two from Minnesota as well:

182 Ryder Rogotzke, Stillwater, MN, Pinnacle Wrestling Club, 3rd MN State, 1st 2021 Cadet Greco Nationals, 3rd 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals

220 Gavin Nelson, Simley, MN, Simley Wrestling Club, 1st MN State, 1st 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals (From Kirkvliets hometown) 92KG

5 tech falls and outscored his opponents 53-1.  Pretty Impressive!

I hear Nelson actually lives and is from the Freedom/Little Chute area. Moved to the cities in 7th grade but goes back to Wisconsin often. Also Kirkvliet got his start in wrestling in Wisconsin until 7th grade then moved to Inver Grove. I do not think Minnesota let's those 2 leave the state of Minnesota.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 25, 2021, 10:14:15 PM
I was also super impressed with this Illinois wrestler who was in a really tough bracket:

120 Kannon Webster, Washington Il, IL State Champion, 5th 2021 Cadet Freestyle Nationals 55KG

He lives about 3 hours from Madison.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BackwardsHatAttack on April 26, 2021, 12:04:03 AM
I hope the Badger coaching staff is looking at Koy Hopke from Amery.  He almost beat Jim Mullen from NJ at the Cadet World Team Trials in the semi's.  Koy is an impressive young wrestler who won state as a 220lb freshman.

Agreed and very raw. Pretty average wrestler but great athlete that knows how to win! Image if he got some fine tunning how good he would be! I see he was wearing a pinnacle singlet so help maybe on the way!

ďPretty average wrestler.Ē   Are you on quaaludes?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on April 26, 2021, 07:05:26 AM
I hope the Badger coaching staff is looking at Koy Hopke from Amery.  He almost beat Jim Mullen from NJ at the Cadet World Team Trials in the semi's.  Koy is an impressive young wrestler who won state as a 220lb freshman.

Agreed and very raw. Pretty average wrestler but great athlete that knows how to win! Image if he got some fine tunning how good he would be! I see he was wearing a pinnacle singlet so help maybe on the way!

ďPretty average wrestler.Ē   Are you on quaaludes?

Probably a poor choice of words. Really raw with his skill set not as polished at this time. Once he gets that polish on his skill set he is going to be almost unstoppable! He wrestles through positions and is very, very good with his hips and a good athlete plus he has won at every level he has competed at! Wasnt trying to rip on him at all. Just noticed a few things during his matches that formed my opinion. Plus his age he is pretty young and from what I have been told not alot of club time either which makes what he has done more amazing!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: npope on April 26, 2021, 08:43:40 AM
We have to consider some of the talent we have on the UW talent when looking at these guys ages and weight. Obviously the freshman make a ton of sense but if it is at a weight like Hamiti or Amos and they are a year younger, Iím not sure there will be a great fit for the wrestler/scholarship opportunities.

Definitely a good point. Just because they are rare talents, doesn't do anyone any good to give good scholarship money to guys who will never make the lineup or make it only once during their career. And if the Badgers were to stock pile talent, it should be in the lower weights where guys can move around and fill in where needed. So, Hopke and Ramberg are great, but we are pretty-well stocked with the big boys. On a different note, the Gophers do a pretty good job of poaching those Northwestern WI boys - kinda doubt Bono will get a whiff of them.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: littleguy301 on April 26, 2021, 10:55:33 PM
We have to consider some of the talent we have on the UW talent when looking at these guys ages and weight. Obviously the freshman make a ton of sense but if it is at a weight like Hamiti or Amos and they are a year younger, Iím not sure there will be a great fit for the wrestler/scholarship opportunities.

Definitely a good point. Just because they are rare talents, doesn't do anyone any good to give good scholarship money to guys who will never make the lineup or make it only once during their career. And if the Badgers were to stock pile talent, it should be in the lower weights where guys can move around and fill in where needed. So, Hopke and Ramberg are great, but we are pretty-well stocked with the big boys. On a different note, the Gophers do a pretty good job of poaching those Northwestern WI boys - kinda doubt Bono will get a whiff of them.

The Badgers have a in coming 4 year beast for 197 add in a returning AA at HWT with a heck of a solid in coming recruit plus Christianson and the upper weights are stacked to say the least. Wisconsin is doing a great job of landing national recruits for sure.

I will say that Hopke has 3 years of high school left so if your into math that makes it quite interesting for the future.

Yes in these parts the gophers, sdsu, ndsu, Wyoming and a couple of D2 colleges certainly are all over these parts really hard along with some eastern time zone schools.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: littleguy301 on April 26, 2021, 10:59:31 PM
I hope the Badger coaching staff is looking at Koy Hopke from Amery.  He almost beat Jim Mullen from NJ at the Cadet World Team Trials in the semi's.  Koy is an impressive young wrestler who won state as a 220lb freshman.

Agreed and very raw. Pretty average wrestler but great athlete that knows how to win! Image if he got some fine tunning how good he would be! I see he was wearing a pinnacle singlet so help maybe on the way!

ďPretty average wrestler.Ē   Are you on quaaludes?

Probably a poor choice of words. Really raw with his skill set not as polished at this time. Once he gets that polish on his skill set he is going to be almost unstoppable! He wrestles through positions and is very, very good with his hips and a good athlete plus he has won at every level he has competed at! Wasnt trying to rip on him at all. Just noticed a few things during his matches that formed my opinion. Plus his age he is pretty young and from what I have been told not alot of club time either which makes what he has done more amazing!


Hopke is a 3 sport athlete. He has done very well for sure not being a wrestling focused at all times. He has had some very good coaching so far but I think what hammer is saying now that he is doing alot more wrestling your going to see his wrestling take a monster jump if that is possible ;D
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: GoodGod on April 27, 2021, 01:39:37 PM
Kannon Webster verballed to Illinois, Poeta's influence being felt already.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on April 27, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Kannon Webster verballed to Illinois, Poeta's influence being felt already.

I think Poeta will do good things at Illinois.  Webster has a lot of potential.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: walden_hiker on May 07, 2021, 09:18:15 PM
Does DJ Hamiti get penciled in at 165? What transfers are available there?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: littleguy301 on May 08, 2021, 12:59:50 PM
Does DJ Hamiti get penciled in at 165? What transfers are available there?

That is a great question. Dow? Plugging that hole is going to be tough but inthink the badgers will do it.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on May 09, 2021, 03:08:58 PM
Will someone cut or move up for the time being?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on May 11, 2021, 11:25:07 AM
Will someone cut or move up for the time being?

I honestly thought Dow looks like a small 174. It would be interesting to see how he would perform at 165. I watched the Hamiti/Facundo match and I really like the way Hamiti competes in that match,  but I think it may be best for him to redshirt.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on May 11, 2021, 12:47:01 PM
Will someone cut or move up for the time being?

I honestly thought Dow looks like a small 174. It would be interesting to see how he would perform at 165. I watched the Hamiti/Facundo match and I really like the way Hamiti competes in that match,  but I think it may be best for him to redshirt.

Completely agree on Dow but if he was able to get to 165 I would have thought he would have competed there this past season.

I agree that a redshirt would probably be ideal for Hamiti but Bono has always said they would put out their best team so if he is the best they have I assume they will put him on the mat. Similar to what they did with EB.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on May 11, 2021, 01:06:17 PM
Will someone cut or move up for the time being?

I honestly thought Dow looks like a small 174. It would be interesting to see how he would perform at 165. I watched the Hamiti/Facundo match and I really like the way Hamiti competes in that match,  but I think it may be best for him to redshirt.

Completely agree on Dow but if he was able to get to 165 I would have thought he would have competed there this past season.

I agree that a redshirt would probably be ideal for Hamiti but Bono has always said they would put out their best team so if he is the best they have I assume they will put him on the mat. Similar to what they did with EB.
Could very well see a similiar situation with someone else starting the season as a start with Hamiti going to some opens. If he does well and shows a difference betweeen him and the starter his redshirt gets pulled. If not let him develop. 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on May 11, 2021, 03:20:15 PM
Will someone cut or move up for the time being?

I honestly thought Dow looks like a small 174. It would be interesting to see how he would perform at 165. I watched the Hamiti/Facundo match and I really like the way Hamiti competes in that match,  but I think it may be best for him to redshirt.

Completely agree on Dow but if he was able to get to 165 I would have thought he would have competed there this past season.

I agree that a redshirt would probably be ideal for Hamiti but Bono has always said they would put out their best team so if he is the best they have I assume they will put him on the mat. Similar to what they did with EB.
Could very well see a similiar situation with someone else starting the season as a start with Hamiti going to some opens. If he does well and shows a difference betweeen him and the starter his redshirt gets pulled. If not let him develop.

For sure. Assuming they go to Midlands that is always a great place to truly compare multiple wrestlers from a team and determine who may have the best chance for the most points at the Big Tens and NCAA's.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on May 13, 2021, 03:35:05 PM
If everyone stays healthy this will be a good team.  We have had some starters leave, many theories have been discussed, the most realistic one being that the status quo of being content with starting will not cut it with these new guys coming in and pushing the envelope.  There will be plenty of excuses/reasons but as some guys decide they prefer a different route, there will be others who decide they want to transfer in and improve their skills with these young guys as teammates.  We're already seeing it and I suspect we'll see more.  The Bono haters will criticize when someone leaves, the rest of us will smile when someone like McNally comes in.  With Covid (hopefully) behind us, the coaches will be allowed to recruit/coach and the team will be able to use the facilities.

This incoming freshman class (the true freshmen and the grayshirts) is going to be fun to watch.  They're going to improve with guys like Wick/McNally/Weiler/Hilger beating them up in the room and showing them the ropes of college wrestling.

I am very excited about Hamiti and Zargo, both have big frames and are going to grow while they're here.
The expectations for Amos are high.  The photos of Braxton/Bono/Reader at Last Chance & Olympic Trials are recruiting brochures.  He's been very candid with the media that he is jumping levels in this room.  Don't be shocked if a high level 184 comes to Madison within the next year or two to work out with Braxton.
Hearing that both Weiler and Trent's surgeries went well.  Chris staying healthy means a higher finish at NCAA and the ability to redshirt Calhoun.  If Thor stays healthy then another All American finish is in the cards, having Pete on a redshirt and Copass on a redshirt (or even better, a gray shirt) this year sets the deck even more for the future. 

I'm excited to see what our guys do at Juniors next week.

I don't have any inside information about 141, just looked at the portal and made a wish list in no particular order.  Along with our lineup around 141, having Bono and Gross in the room to scrap has to be enticing. 

125 Barnett (So)           Rotundo (Jr)
133 Burwick (Fr)           Dentino (So)
141 The Portal: Gomez (Jr) Tagg (F) Woods (So)  Villareal (Fr)         
149 Zargo (Fr)            Scharenbrock (So)/Medora (Fr)
157 Hamiti (Fr)           Model (Jr)/Bahr (Jr)
165 Wick (Sr)            Otto (Fr)
174 McNally (Sr)        Dow (So)
184 Weiler (Sr)          Calhoun (Fr)
197 Amos (Fr)           Empey (Fr)
285 Hillger (Jr)         Christensen (So)


Going off Makeabadger with the change of Wick. How do we think this looks?

125 Barnett (J)           Rotundo (Se)
133 Burwick (So)           Dentino (J)
141 Escobar (So)         Stilling (J)
149 Zargo (Fr)            Scharenbrock (J)/Medora (Fr)
157 Hamiti (Fr)           Model (Se)/Bahr (Se)
165 Otto (So)           
174 McNally (Sr)        Dow (J)
184 Weiler (Sr+)          Calhoun (Fr)
197 Amos (Fr)           Empey (Fr)
285 Hillger (Se)         Christensen (J)
Barnett solid, qualifier, could repeat as AA
Burwick shows something special, qualifier
41 need some help, not many wins
Zargo on paper looks great but let's see, It's the B1G and tough to get wins (same with Hamiti)
Hamiti on paper looks great, but let's see. I like the possibility of Model or Bahr. Both have shown they can win
Otto, some wins but let's see if he can make a jump up
McNally, healthy and qualifier and could be AA
Weiler, healthy and qualifier and maybe AA
Amos, huge! AA and maybe high AA
Hillger solid and would expect to AA as long as recovery goes well

A lot of hope but a lot of "let's see"
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on May 13, 2021, 04:39:07 PM
How good do you think Tyler Dow would be at 165 next year if he could make it?  I think he would have a break out year.  I think it would be awesome if he walked into Bono's office the day Wick entered the portal and said he was taking that spot!  Let's go Tyler Dow :). 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on May 13, 2021, 04:40:06 PM
If everyone stays healthy this will be a good team.  We have had some starters leave, many theories have been discussed, the most realistic one being that the status quo of being content with starting will not cut it with these new guys coming in and pushing the envelope.  There will be plenty of excuses/reasons but as some guys decide they prefer a different route, there will be others who decide they want to transfer in and improve their skills with these young guys as teammates.  We're already seeing it and I suspect we'll see more.  The Bono haters will criticize when someone leaves, the rest of us will smile when someone like McNally comes in.  With Covid (hopefully) behind us, the coaches will be allowed to recruit/coach and the team will be able to use the facilities.

This incoming freshman class (the true freshmen and the grayshirts) is going to be fun to watch.  They're going to improve with guys like Wick/McNally/Weiler/Hilger beating them up in the room and showing them the ropes of college wrestling.

I am very excited about Hamiti and Zargo, both have big frames and are going to grow while they're here.
The expectations for Amos are high.  The photos of Braxton/Bono/Reader at Last Chance & Olympic Trials are recruiting brochures.  He's been very candid with the media that he is jumping levels in this room.  Don't be shocked if a high level 184 comes to Madison within the next year or two to work out with Braxton.
Hearing that both Weiler and Trent's surgeries went well.  Chris staying healthy means a higher finish at NCAA and the ability to redshirt Calhoun.  If Thor stays healthy then another All American finish is in the cards, having Pete on a redshirt and Copass on a redshirt (or even better, a gray shirt) this year sets the deck even more for the future. 

I'm excited to see what our guys do at Juniors next week.

I don't have any inside information about 141, just looked at the portal and made a wish list in no particular order.  Along with our lineup around 141, having Bono and Gross in the room to scrap has to be enticing. 

125 Barnett (So)           Rotundo (Jr)
133 Burwick (Fr)           Dentino (So)
141 The Portal: Gomez (Jr) Tagg (F) Woods (So)  Villareal (Fr)         
149 Zargo (Fr)            Scharenbrock (So)/Medora (Fr)
157 Hamiti (Fr)           Model (Jr)/Bahr (Jr)
165 Wick (Sr)            Otto (Fr)
174 McNally (Sr)        Dow (So)
184 Weiler (Sr)          Calhoun (Fr)
197 Amos (Fr)           Empey (Fr)
285 Hillger (Jr)         Christensen (So)


Going off Makeabadger with the change of Wick. How do we think this looks?

125 Barnett (J)           Rotundo (Se)
133 Burwick (So)           Dentino (J)
141 Escobar (So)         Stilling (J)
149 Zargo (Fr)            Scharenbrock (J)/Medora (Fr)
157 Hamiti (Fr)           Model (Se)/Bahr (Se)
165 Otto (So)           
174 McNally (Sr)        Dow (J)
184 Weiler (Sr+)          Calhoun (Fr)
197 Amos (Fr)           Empey (Fr)
285 Hillger (Se)         Christensen (J)
Barnett solid, qualifier, could repeat as AA
Burwick shows something special, qualifier
41 need some help, not many wins
Zargo on paper looks great but let's see, It's the B1G and tough to get wins (same with Hamiti)
Hamiti on paper looks great, but let's see. I like the possibility of Model or Bahr. Both have shown they can win
Otto, some wins but let's see if he can make a jump up
McNally, healthy and qualifier and could be AA
Weiler, healthy and qualifier and maybe AA
Amos, huge! AA and maybe high AA
Hillger solid and would expect to AA as long as recovery goes well

A lot of hope but a lot of "let's see"

I think the Zargo and Scharenbrock wrestle off would go back and forth. Scharenbrock had his moments this year and was able to compete with high level guys at times. I could see that spot going either way.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on May 13, 2021, 04:47:20 PM
How good do you think Tyler Dow would be at 165 next year if he could make it?  I think he would have a break out year.  I think it would be awesome if he walked into Bono's office the day Wick entered the portal and said he was taking that spot!  Let's go Tyler Dow :).

agree!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on May 13, 2021, 04:52:35 PM


I think the Zargo and Scharenbrock wrestle off would go back and forth. Scharenbrock had his moments this year and was able to compete with high level guys at times. I could see that spot going either way.

And Zargo getting that redshirt year would most likely be a good thing.

Be a different trend but fits, I think more freshmen start now with the OPEN transfer rule. A coach is not going to want to give another program an extra year of development. Thoughts? I personally don't think  this rule helps teach the young people anything accept for NOT being committed to team and teammates and a school. They did come to the school for a degree right? guess NOT!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on May 13, 2021, 06:02:53 PM
They can get a degree at either school.  They are moving for what they see as a better opportunity in regard to wrestling.


I think the Zargo and Scharenbrock wrestle off would go back and forth. Scharenbrock had his moments this year and was able to compete with high level guys at times. I could see that spot going either way.

And Zargo getting that redshirt year would most likely be a good thing.

Be a different trend but fits, I think more freshmen start now with the OPEN transfer rule. A coach is not going to want to give another program an extra year of development. Thoughts? I personally don't think  this rule helps teach the young people anything accept for NOT being committed to team and teammates and a school. They did come to the school for a degree right? guess NOT!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on May 14, 2021, 10:51:22 AM
They can get a degree at either school.  They are moving for what they see as a better opportunity in regard to wrestling.


I think the Zargo and Scharenbrock wrestle off would go back and forth. Scharenbrock had his moments this year and was able to compete with high level guys at times. I could see that spot going either way.

And Zargo getting that redshirt year would most likely be a good thing.

Be a different trend but fits, I think more freshmen start now with the OPEN transfer rule. A coach is not going to want to give another program an extra year of development. Thoughts? I personally don't think  this rule helps teach the young people anything accept for NOT being committed to team and teammates and a school. They did come to the school for a degree right? guess NOT!

I think the rule needs work, but I honestly don't mind it. Coaches can leave a school without sitting out, why can't the athletes. Also with COVID and the limited amount of campus/coaching visits with recruits, I think there are going to be guys who don't pick the right school for them. I could see the NCAA making it so you can only transfer one time or maybe you have to leave the conference if you are transferring.

The only thing I worry about with this rule is I could see coaches contacting wrestlers on other teams about transferring to their school. Judging off of social media posts, this seems like it is already happening a little bit and I think this rule could make this problem occur more frequently.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Gutwrench on May 14, 2021, 10:55:38 AM
Interesting point MN regarding the transfer portal ramifications.  I could easily see a coach reluctant to do a red shirt on someone because it could end up being a free year of development for some other program.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on May 14, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
I am not saying I am in favor of all this, just that one can get a degree from any institution.  Truthfully, I feel an athlete should choose the school for their sport.  People from every academic institution succeed in all areas after graduation. 
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page. 
Interesting point MN regarding the transfer portal ramifications.  I could easily see a coach reluctant to do a red shirt on someone because it could end up being a free year of development for some other program.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on May 14, 2021, 12:59:52 PM
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page.

Very interesting idea. Four years running clock. Start when you want but when you start you have 4 years (I believe that is how it is done in DIII). It would hurt the kids who lose a year to injury but it would be fair for all. With a red (shirt), medical red shirt and potentially Olympic red shirts an athlete can be in school a long time. Does not make a lot of sense to have athletes in their 6th or 7th year competing against 18 year old athletes.

Kind of crazy idea MN but I think I like it.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on May 14, 2021, 01:48:05 PM
When we have athletes competing and "able" to go to school for 6 years it makes for economic inequities.  I think if it were fours years like the DIII we would have more parity as well.  It is very unlikely to happen however with college football being the development arm of the NFL.  Too much money there for it to change.
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page.

Very interesting idea. Four years running clock. Start when you want but when you start you have 4 years (I believe that is how it is done in DIII). It would hurt the kids who lose a year to injury but it would be fair for all. With a red inappropriate term5, medical red shirt and potentially Olympic red shirts an athlete can be in school a long time. Does not make a lot of sense to have athletes in their 6th or 7th year competing against 18 year old athletes.

Kind of crazy idea MN but I think I like it.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Gutwrench on May 14, 2021, 05:26:33 PM
Schools like BYU and Utah could be at a disadvantage with a significant % of their student athletes serving 2 year missions for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  Unless the athletes hold off the start of their eligibility until after their mission concludes.

Not that this idea would actually ever happen.  Just fun to discuss.

Beats reading another Aaron Rodgers drama story.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: imwi on May 14, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
Don't they usually do their mission trips before starting college?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on May 18, 2021, 12:51:04 PM
hoping the first week of June we hear, "It is a great day to be a Badger!" with a transfer
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: npope on May 18, 2021, 01:02:38 PM
hoping the first week of June we hear, "It is a great day to be a Badger!" with a transfer

Is there something in the pipeline that you are aware of, or is this just a generic wish you are making?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on May 18, 2021, 07:25:13 PM
hoping the first week of June we hear, "It is a great day to be a Badger!" with a transfer

Is there something in the pipeline that you are aware of, or is this just a generic wish you are making?

Just a hunch, I see the Volleyball team picked up a transfer from Iowa of all places (no connection)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BuckyMatt on May 18, 2021, 10:48:10 PM
hoping the first week of June we hear, "It is a great day to be a Badger!" with a transfer

Is there something in the pipeline that you are aware of, or is this just a generic wish you are making?

Just a hunch, I see the Volleyball team picked up a transfer from Iowa of all places (no connection)

Official visits can restart June 1st or 2nd  too!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on May 19, 2021, 06:59:31 PM
hoping the first week of June we hear, "It is a great day to be a Badger!" with a transfer

Is there something in the pipeline that you are aware of, or is this just a generic wish you are making?

Just a hunch, I see the Volleyball team picked up a transfer from Iowa of all places (no connection)

Official visits can restart June 1st or 2nd  too!

That is what i was thinking! Let's see if there is a good catch on the line!!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: littleguy301 on May 20, 2021, 11:08:55 AM
When we have athletes competing and "able" to go to school for 6 years it makes for economic inequities.  I think if it were fours years like the DIII we would have more parity as well.  It is very unlikely to happen however with college football being the development arm of the NFL.  Too much money there for it to change.
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page.

Very interesting idea. Four years running clock. Start when you want but when you start you have 4 years (I believe that is how it is done in DIII). It would hurt the kids who lose a year to injury but it would be fair for all. With a red inappropriate term5, medical red shirt and potentially Olympic red shirts an athlete can be in school a long time. Does not make a lot of sense to have athletes in their 6th or 7th year competing against 18 year old athletes.

Kind of crazy idea MN but I think I like it.

Choose for their sport? Uff da not sure but I would guess many do.

Well I would guess I'd no Olympic red shirt then we arent going to be sending possibly our best to the Olympics.

Their are many 5 year D3 kids. Just ways around it if your creative.

I think your right on football but money plays a roll in getting your education also.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on May 20, 2021, 02:36:38 PM
When we have athletes competing and "able" to go to school for 6 years it makes for economic inequities.  I think if it were fours years like the DIII we would have more parity as well.  It is very unlikely to happen however with college football being the development arm of the NFL.  Too much money there for it to change.
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page.

Very interesting idea. Four years running clock. Start when you want but when you start you have 4 years (I believe that is how it is done in DIII). It would hurt the kids who lose a year to injury but it would be fair for all. With a red inappropriate term5, medical red shirt and potentially Olympic red shirts an athlete can be in school a long time. Does not make a lot of sense to have athletes in their 6th or 7th year competing against 18 year old athletes.

Kind of crazy idea MN but I think I like it.

Choose for their sport? Uff da not sure but I would guess many do.

Well I would guess I'd no Olympic red shirt then we aren't going to be sending possibly our best to the Olympics.

Their are many 5 year D3 kids. Just ways around it if your creative.

I think your right on football but money plays a roll in getting your education also.

I am not sure how much of an issue this would be. I am not 100% sure as far as Greco but for freestyle the only college wrestler on the Olympic team (Gable) never redshirted and the only other one who likely could have made the team (if not for injury) Spencer Lee, never redshirted either. Fix did take a couple of redshirts as did Vito (not technically sure if the first year was a redshirt) but they did not make the team so sending our best was not an issue here. From this data you could make the argument that wrestling in college (Gable and Lee) was a better way to prepare to make the Olympic team.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: littleguy301 on May 20, 2021, 04:00:11 PM
When we have athletes competing and "able" to go to school for 6 years it makes for economic inequities.  I think if it were fours years like the DIII we would have more parity as well.  It is very unlikely to happen however with college football being the development arm of the NFL.  Too much money there for it to change.
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page.

Very interesting idea. Four years running clock. Start when you want but when you start you have 4 years (I believe that is how it is done in DIII). It would hurt the kids who lose a year to injury but it would be fair for all. With a red inappropriate term5, medical red shirt and potentially Olympic red shirts an athlete can be in school a long time. Does not make a lot of sense to have athletes in their 6th or 7th year competing against 18 year old athletes.

Kind of crazy idea MN but I think I like it.

Choose for their sport? Uff da not sure but I would guess many do.

Well I would guess I'd no Olympic red shirt then we aren't going to be sending possibly our best to the Olympics.

Their are many 5 year D3 kids. Just ways around it if your creative.

I think your right on football but money plays a roll in getting your education also.

I am not sure how much of an issue this would be. I am not 100% sure as far as Greco but for freestyle the only college wrestler on the Olympic team (Gable) never redshirted and the only other one who likely could have made the team (if not for injury) Spencer Lee, never redshirted either. Fix did take a couple of redshirts as did Vito (not technically sure if the first year was a redshirt) but they did not make the team so sending our best was not an issue here. From this data you could make the argument that wrestling in college (Gable and Lee) was a better way to prepare to make the Olympic team.

In years past many of former Olympic wrestlers took at one time a redshirt during college to get international experience. Some have done it at different times though. One could argue synder did it his senior year of high school. Gable was on the international scene as a high school and wrestling up age divisions. Plus with the schedule has has kept and the gophers allowed that no need for him to redshirt. Gable is a complete different animal than most.

Outside dake and Gable most others have taken time though what is dake late 20"s so.......took him several years to get to this point.

Injuries also play into whether college kids can complete 4 years straight. Wrestling is a tough sport.

Also if the NCAA it 4 years and done would guys go to college if their goal was a medal at the Olympics? I would think there would be a couple that may by pass college. I am sure some would also go.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on May 20, 2021, 04:56:37 PM
When we have athletes competing and "able" to go to school for 6 years it makes for economic inequities.  I think if it were fours years like the DIII we would have more parity as well.  It is very unlikely to happen however with college football being the development arm of the NFL.  Too much money there for it to change.
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page.

Very interesting idea. Four years running clock. Start when you want but when you start you have 4 years (I believe that is how it is done in DIII). It would hurt the kids who lose a year to injury but it would be fair for all. With a red inappropriate term5, medical red shirt and potentially Olympic red shirts an athlete can be in school a long time. Does not make a lot of sense to have athletes in their 6th or 7th year competing against 18 year old athletes.

Kind of crazy idea MN but I think I like it.

Choose for their sport? Uff da not sure but I would guess many do.

Well I would guess I'd no Olympic red shirt then we aren't going to be sending possibly our best to the Olympics.

Their are many 5 year D3 kids. Just ways around it if your creative.

I think your right on football but money plays a roll in getting your education also.

I am not sure how much of an issue this would be. I am not 100% sure as far as Greco but for freestyle the only college wrestler on the Olympic team (Gable) never redshirted and the only other one who likely could have made the team (if not for injury) Spencer Lee, never redshirted either. Fix did take a couple of redshirts as did Vito (not technically sure if the first year was a redshirt) but they did not make the team so sending our best was not an issue here. From this data you could make the argument that wrestling in college (Gable and Lee) was a better way to prepare to make the Olympic team.

In years past many of former Olympic wrestlers took at one time a redshirt during college to get international experience. Some have done it at different times though. One could argue synder did it his senior year of high school. Gable was on the international scene as a high school and wrestling up age divisions. Plus with the schedule has has kept and the gophers allowed that no need for him to redshirt. Gable is a complete different animal than most.

Outside dake and Gable most others have taken time though what is dake late 20"s so.......took him several years to get to this point.

Injuries also play into whether college kids can complete 4 years straight. Wrestling is a tough sport.

Also if the NCAA it 4 years and done would guys go to college if their goal was a medal at the Olympics? I would think there would be a couple that may by pass college. I am sure some would also go.

All good points for sure. With the 4 years and done I could see high level wrestlers wrestling in college for 3 years in between Olympic cycles and that being it.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: npope on May 20, 2021, 05:15:42 PM
When we have athletes competing and "able" to go to school for 6 years it makes for economic inequities.  I think if it were fours years like the DIII we would have more parity as well.  It is very unlikely to happen however with college football being the development arm of the NFL.  Too much money there for it to change.
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page.

Very interesting idea. Four years running clock. Start when you want but when you start you have 4 years (I believe that is how it is done in DIII). It would hurt the kids who lose a year to injury but it would be fair for all. With a red inappropriate term5, medical red shirt and potentially Olympic red shirts an athlete can be in school a long time. Does not make a lot of sense to have athletes in their 6th or 7th year competing against 18 year old athletes.

Kind of crazy idea MN but I think I like it.

Choose for their sport? Uff da not sure but I would guess many do.

Well I would guess I'd no Olympic red shirt then we aren't going to be sending possibly our best to the Olympics.

Their are many 5 year D3 kids. Just ways around it if your creative.

I think your right on football but money plays a roll in getting your education also.

I am not sure how much of an issue this would be. I am not 100% sure as far as Greco but for freestyle the only college wrestler on the Olympic team (Gable) never redshirted and the only other one who likely could have made the team (if not for injury) Spencer Lee, never redshirted either. Fix did take a couple of redshirts as did Vito (not technically sure if the first year was a redshirt) but they did not make the team so sending our best was not an issue here. From this data you could make the argument that wrestling in college (Gable and Lee) was a better way to prepare to make the Olympic team.

Well, Olympic gold medalist Cejudo never even went to college. Not sure what that does to theory being proposed, but... he certainly didn't need a "redshirt" year to prepare for the international scene.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on May 21, 2021, 11:31:32 AM
Possible 165s to fill the gap for Wick's departure in the transfer portal:

Bo Pipher PSU
Ben Barton Campell

I don't foresee Griffith coming. It was slim pickings for 157 and 165 pounders. I believe Barton won a SoCon Title last year. If Dow can make 165, I think he may be our best option at this point.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on May 21, 2021, 01:06:26 PM
Possible 165s to fill the gap for Wick's departure in the transfer portal:

Bo Pipher PSU
Ben Barton Campell

I don't foresee Griffith coming. It was slim pickings for 157 and 165 pounders. I believe Barton won a SoCon Title last year. If Dow can make 165, I think he may be our best option at this point.

I am hopeful that Griffith will stay at Stanford now that wrestling is back but I believe he will earn his degree this summer so who knows.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on May 21, 2021, 03:06:51 PM
They used to go to college, wrestle and then pursue the Olympic thing.  In fact, over all I think more wrestlers have done that than like thing have been more recently.
When we have athletes competing and "able" to go to school for 6 years it makes for economic inequities.  I think if it were fours years like the DIII we would have more parity as well.  It is very unlikely to happen however with college football being the development arm of the NFL.  Too much money there for it to change.
I actually believe DI sports should be like DIII.  You get fours years, period.  If there were no red shirting it would change little as everyone would be on the same page.

Very interesting idea. Four years running clock. Start when you want but when you start you have 4 years (I believe that is how it is done in DIII). It would hurt the kids who lose a year to injury but it would be fair for all. With a red inappropriate term5, medical red shirt and potentially Olympic red shirts an athlete can be in school a long time. Does not make a lot of sense to have athletes in their 6th or 7th year competing against 18 year old athletes.

Kind of crazy idea MN but I think I like it.

Choose for their sport? Uff da not sure but I would guess many do.

Well I would guess I'd no Olympic red shirt then we aren't going to be sending possibly our best to the Olympics.

Their are many 5 year D3 kids. Just ways around it if your creative.

I think your right on football but money plays a roll in getting your education also.

I am not sure how much of an issue this would be. I am not 100% sure as far as Greco but for freestyle the only college wrestler on the Olympic team (Gable) never redshirted and the only other one who likely could have made the team (if not for injury) Spencer Lee, never redshirted either. Fix did take a couple of redshirts as did Vito (not technically sure if the first year was a redshirt) but they did not make the team so sending our best was not an issue here. From this data you could make the argument that wrestling in college (Gable and Lee) was a better way to prepare to make the Olympic team.

In years past many of former Olympic wrestlers took at one time a redshirt during college to get international experience. Some have done it at different times though. One could argue synder did it his senior year of high school. Gable was on the international scene as a high school and wrestling up age divisions. Plus with the schedule has has kept and the gophers allowed that no need for him to redshirt. Gable is a complete different animal than most.

Outside dake and Gable most others have taken time though what is dake late 20"s so.......took him several years to get to this point.

Injuries also play into whether college kids can complete 4 years straight. Wrestling is a tough sport.

Also if the NCAA it 4 years and done would guys go to college if their goal was a medal at the Olympics? I would think there would be a couple that may by pass college. I am sure some would also go.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 02, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
Current Roster Projection:

125 Eric Barnett / Ethan Rotondo 
133 Kyle Burwick / Cole Bavery (RS)
141 Austin Gomez / Dom Dentino / Trey Escobar
149 Drew Scharenbrock / Joey Zargo RS / Dan Stilling (RS) / Aiden Medora (RS) / Cole Carroll (RS)
157 Garrett Model / Devin Bahr / Kevin Meicher / Cody Anderson (RS) 
165 Josh Otto / Gavin Model (RS) / Dean Hamiti (RS)
174 Andrew McNally / Tyler Dow / Anders Lantz
184 Chris Weiler / Graham Calhoun (RS)
197 Braxton Amos / Andrew Salemme / Brooks Empey (RS)
285 Trent Hillger / Pete Christensen / Hayden Copass (RS)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BuckyMatt on June 02, 2021, 02:42:24 PM
Current Roster Projection:

125 Eric Barnett / Ethan Rotondo 
133 Kyle Burwick / Cole Bavery (RS)
141 Austin Gomez / Dom Dentino / Trey Escobar
149 Drew Scharenbrock / Joey Zargo RS / Dan Stilling (RS) / Aiden Medora (RS) / Cole Carroll (RS)
157 Garrett Model / Devin Bahr / Kevin Meicher / Cody Anderson (RS) 
165 Josh Otto / Gavin Model (RS) / Dean Hamiti (RS)
174 Andrew McNally / Tyler Dow / Anders Lantz
184 Chris Weiler / Graham Calhoun (RS)
197 Braxton Amos / Andrew Salemme / Brooks Empey (RS)
285 Trent Hillger / Pete Christensen / Hayden Copass (RS)

Nice looking lineup and I donít think Bono and company are done adding/improving to it!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on June 02, 2021, 03:58:19 PM
Current Roster Projection:

125 Eric Barnett / Ethan Rotondo 
133 Kyle Burwick / Cole Bavery (RS)
141 Austin Gomez / Dom Dentino / Trey Escobar
149 Drew Scharenbrock / Joey Zargo RS / Dan Stilling (RS) / Aiden Medora (RS) / Cole Carroll (RS)
157 Garrett Model / Devin Bahr / Kevin Meicher / Cody Anderson (RS) 
165 Josh Otto / Gavin Model (RS) / Dean Hamiti (RS)
174 Andrew McNally / Tyler Dow / Anders Lantz
184 Chris Weiler / Graham Calhoun (RS)
197 Braxton Amos / Andrew Salemme / Brooks Empey (RS)
285 Trent Hillger / Pete Christensen / Hayden Copass (RS)

I think Hamiti is good enough to start somewhere as well if he develops quickly.  I can't wait to see how Otto improves.  He had a tough year last year.  I also think Tyler Dow, Garret Model, or Devin Bahr would look good at 165.  Losing Wick opens things up quite a bit and the remaining wrestlers will have a lot of time to get ready for the season at that weight.  Should be fun to see how it all shakes out.  It would be awesome to see some high level improvements with the middle of the line up.  I hope Bono puts the best wrestlers on the mat at each weight regardless of redshirts after last season ;D

Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: rjchev141 on June 02, 2021, 06:24:19 PM
Current Roster Projection:

125 Eric Barnett / Ethan Rotondo 
133 Kyle Burwick / Cole Bavery (RS)
141 Austin Gomez / Dom Dentino / Trey Escobar
149 Drew Scharenbrock / Joey Zargo RS / Dan Stilling (RS) / Aiden Medora (RS) / Cole Carroll (RS)
157 Garrett Model / Devin Bahr / Kevin Meicher / Cody Anderson (RS) 
165 Josh Otto / Gavin Model (RS) / Dean Hamiti (RS)
174 Andrew McNally / Tyler Dow / Anders Lantz
184 Chris Weiler / Graham Calhoun (RS)
197 Braxton Amos / Andrew Salemme / Brooks Empey (RS)
285 Trent Hillger / Pete Christensen / Hayden Copass (RS)

I think Hamiti is good enough to start somewhere as well if he develops quickly.  I can't wait to see how Otto improves.  He had a tough year last year.  I also think Tyler Dow, Garret Model, or Devin Bahr would look good at 165.  Losing Wick opens things up quite a bit and the remaining wrestlers will have a lot of time to get ready for the season at that weight.  Should be fun to see how it all shakes out.  It would be awesome to see some high level improvements with the middle of the line up.  I hope Bono puts the best wrestlers on the mat at each weight regardless of redshirts after last season ;D

My guess at the best possible lineup (at this given moment, fingers crossed that things are in the works yet):
125 Eric Barnett 
133 Kyle Burwick
141 Austin Gomez
149 Drew Scharenbrock
157 Dean Hamiti 
165 Tyler Dow
174 Andrew McNally
184 Chris Weiler
197 Braxton Amos
285 Trent Hillger
No idea though if Hamiti can make 157 or if Dow can make 165???
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: BuckyMatt on June 07, 2021, 02:21:27 PM
Was walking on Campus this weekend and saw Kizhan Clarke from American University, 15th seed at the 2019 NCAA's at 149 # on campus for a visit!

Man, this staff is making moves!!!! 

Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Narwhal on June 07, 2021, 03:08:48 PM
from flo wrestling website

Kizhan Clarke is another former NCAA qualifier that will be looking for a new home to use their final year of eligibility at. Clark was 37-7 during the 2020 season and earned the #15 seed at the 2020 NCAA Championships. American did not compete this season until the EIWA Championships, but Clarke did not wrestle. During his career, he has wins over Jaden Abas, Requir van der Merwe, Kanen Storr, Markus Hartman, and many more. He began the season ranked at #13 in our preseason rankings.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on June 07, 2021, 05:44:58 PM
from flo wrestling website

Kizhan Clarke is another former NCAA qualifier that will be looking for a new home to use their final year of eligibility at. Clark was 37-7 during the 2020 season and earned the #15 seed at the 2020 NCAA Championships. American did not compete this season until the EIWA Championships, but Clarke did not wrestle. During his career, he has wins over Jaden Abas, Requir van der Merwe, Kanen Storr, Markus Hartman, and many more. He began the season ranked at #13 in our preseason rankings.

It would be a great day to hear It a Great Day to be a Badger!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on June 08, 2021, 11:47:37 AM
from flo wrestling website

Kizhan Clarke is another former NCAA qualifier that will be looking for a new home to use their final year of eligibility at. Clark was 37-7 during the 2020 season and earned the #15 seed at the 2020 NCAA Championships. American did not compete this season until the EIWA Championships, but Clarke did not wrestle. During his career, he has wins over Jaden Abas, Requir van der Merwe, Kanen Storr, Markus Hartman, and many more. He began the season ranked at #13 in our preseason rankings.

It would be a great day to hear It a Great Day to be a Badger!

This would be a huge get for the Badgers!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: tigerking on June 08, 2021, 12:58:15 PM
My sources have been saying that Joey Grello is touring Madison and would cut to 165 for the Badgers. That would help fill a hole.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on June 08, 2021, 03:30:35 PM
My sources have been saying that Joey Grello is touring Madison and would cut to 165 for the Badgers. That would help fill a hole.
Wow this portal stuff is nutty. Every year is going to be like free agency. Not sure I like it but it does not matter. I think it is here to stay. Hopefully Bono and company continue to be good at it.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on June 16, 2021, 01:03:16 PM
Current Roster Projection:

125 Eric Barnett / Ethan Rotondo 
133 Kyle Burwick / Cole Bavery (RS)
141 Austin Gomez / Dom Dentino / Trey Escobar
149 Drew Scharenbrock / Joey Zargo RS / Dan Stilling (RS) / Aiden Medora (RS) / Cole Carroll (RS)
157 Garrett Model / Devin Bahr / Kevin Meicher / Cody Anderson (RS) 
165 Josh Otto / Gavin Model (RS) / Dean Hamiti (RS)
174 Andrew McNally / Tyler Dow / Anders Lantz
184 Chris Weiler / Graham Calhoun (RS)
197 Braxton Amos / Andrew Salemme / Brooks Empey (RS)
285 Trent Hillger / Pete Christensen / Hayden Copass (RS)

Nice looking lineup and I donít think Bono and company are done adding/improving to it!

Looking at this what is encouraging is 30, 30 guys in the room after not filling it this is good. And you look at this line up and there are guys that can win even in the Big Ten. 49-65 is a little soft yet even those guys can pull in some wins.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on July 04, 2021, 06:12:44 PM
let plan a game. Assign the win % each guy will have this coming up season
Tom is going first ;D
Current Roster Projection:

125 Eric Barnett100% baby!
133 Kyle Burwick 100% baby!
141 Austin Gomez 100% baby!
149 Drew Scharenbrock 100% baby!
157 Garrett Model  100% baby!
165 Josh Otto  100% baby!
174 Andrew McNally  100% baby!
184 Chris Weiler  100% baby!
197 Braxton Amos  100% baby!
285 Trent Hillger 100% baby!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Gutwrench on July 05, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
I am by no means an expert when it comes to the team, but it seems to me like a pretty competitive line up without very many "holes".  I would even go on to say there aren't any "holes" per se.  There is a nice blend of talent and experience.  I can see 7+ national qualifiers, with multiple AA's.  Obviously cheering for the whole team, buy my hope is that the Wisconsin natives can take that next step.

Here's hoping for everyone to stay healthy.  Go Badgers!
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MakingABadgerer on July 07, 2021, 11:49:30 AM
I am by no means an expert when it comes to the team, but it seems to me like a pretty competitive line up without very many "holes".  I would even go on to say there aren't any "holes" per se.  There is a nice blend of talent and experience.  I can see 7+ national qualifiers, with multiple AA's.  Obviously cheering for the whole team, buy my hope is that the Wisconsin natives can take that next step.

Here's hoping for everyone to stay healthy.  Go Badgers!

I hope they all can take the next step and stay healthy.  This isn't an attack on you Gutwrench as I am not saying that you have made the comment but I have seen several mentions that UW doesn't recruit enough in state guys.  Doing a quick count of the roster, I see 15 or 16, that's more than 50% of last years total roster.

Here's what our in state lineup would look like:
125 Barnett
133 Bavery/Dentino
141 Stilling
149 Medora/Meicher
157 Anderson/Bahr/Model
165 Otto/ Model
174 Dow/Lantz
184 Dow/Lantz
197 Salemme/Empey
285 Empey/Salemme
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on July 07, 2021, 01:36:14 PM
I am by no means an expert when it comes to the team, but it seems to me like a pretty competitive line up without very many "holes".  I would even go on to say there aren't any "holes" per se.  There is a nice blend of talent and experience.  I can see 7+ national qualifiers, with multiple AA's.  Obviously cheering for the whole team, buy my hope is that the Wisconsin natives can take that next step.

Here's hoping for everyone to stay healthy.  Go Badgers!

I hope they all can take the next step and stay healthy.  This isn't an attack on you Gutwrench as I am not saying that you have made the comment but I have seen several mentions that UW doesn't recruit enough in state guys.  Doing a quick count of the roster, I see 15 or 16, that's more than 50% of last years total roster.

Here's what our in state lineup would look like:
125 Barnett
133 Bavery/Dentino
141 Stilling
149 Medora/Meicher
157 Anderson/Bahr/Model
165 Otto/ Model
174 Dow/Lantz
184 Dow/Lantz
197 Salemme/Empey
285 Empey/Salemme

I see but Gut and Make points. I think Gut is looking at starters and high impact guys in the roster and Make looking at % of the over all roster. I think what Gut is saying is it would be nice to see the high end State recruits at the UW.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Gutwrench on July 07, 2021, 03:30:07 PM
All I was saying is that the projected lineup has 4 Wisconsin natives in Barnett, Scharenbrock, Model, and Otto.  I feel that all are very solid and poised to take that next step. I'm just hoping they do.  I'll be cheering for all Badger wrestlers certainly. 
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 07, 2021, 05:43:55 PM
So how does everyone see the Mn/Wi border battle to play out this season?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on July 07, 2021, 07:26:27 PM
Bad reminder of last years meet 27-7 and Jared K was one of the Badgers wins. So can the Badger swing to wins at 41;74;84;97 and make this a tight battle? Add a win at 25 and maybe get an upset at 33 And this could get the Badgers a very good team win.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: dad 2 5 on July 07, 2021, 07:29:46 PM
Current Roster Projection:

125 Eric Barnett / Ethan Rotondo 
133 Kyle Burwick / Cole Bavery (RS)
141 Austin Gomez / Dom Dentino / Trey Escobar
149 Drew Scharenbrock / Joey Zargo RS / Dan Stilling (RS) / Aiden Medora (RS) / Cole Carroll (RS)
157 Garrett Model / Devin Bahr / Kevin Meicher / Cody Anderson (RS) 
165 Josh Otto / Gavin Model (RS) / Dean Hamiti (RS)
174 Andrew McNally / Tyler Dow / Anders Lantz
184 Chris Weiler / Graham Calhoun (RS)
197 Braxton Amos / Andrew Salemme / Brooks Empey (RS)
285 Trent Hillger / Pete Christensen / Hayden Copass (RS)

Nice looking lineup and I donít think Bono and company are done adding/improving to it!

https://uwbadgers.com/sports/wrestling/roster hoping the roster is updated soon
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on July 07, 2021, 07:35:35 PM
So how does everyone see the Mn/Wi border battle to play out this season?
1-Very close dual, but hard to tell now. See who starts and is even on team. If Gables gone that changes things significantly. 2-Did you study point differentials in the off-season?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 07, 2021, 09:20:59 PM
Just guessing at the most likely line up, I see MN winning 7 of 10 with Gable, 6 of ten without.
I hope Gable stays and uses his eligibility.  Many get excited about the WWE stuff, I donít get why anyone would care about it.  I know it is fame and fortune but it isnít wrestling.
In regard to 285, Tabor appears to be a big timer but one never knows.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 07, 2021, 09:28:45 PM
Dryden(133) is leaving(wants to go somewhere where he can wrestle 125). 
Bad reminder of last years meet 27-7 and Jared K was one of the Badgers wins. So can the Badger swing to wins at 41;74;84;97 and make this a tight battle? Add a win at 25 and maybe get an upset at 33 And this could get the Badgers a very good team win.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MakingABadgerer on July 07, 2021, 11:10:45 PM
WrestleStat has it Gophers 21 Badgers 15
Minnesota winning 6 matches with Steveson in the lineup

125 McKee dec Barnett 11-6  Minn 3= Wis 0
133 Burwick dec Gliva 6-4  Minn 3= Wis 3
141 Gomez md Polanco 13-4  Minn 3= Wis 7
149 Blockhus dec Scharenbrock 11-6  Minn 6= Wis 7
157 Lee md Model 16-5  Minn 10= Wis 7
165 Sparks dec Hamati 7-0 Minn 13= Wis 7
174 McNally md Krattiger 12-3  Minn 13= Wis 11
184 Weiler md Salazar 14-3  Minn 13= Wis 15
197 Joles md Amos 12-0  Minn 17= Wis 15
285 Steveson md Hilger 12-3  Minn 21= Wis 15

The wrestle stat computers are way smarter than I am but ...
With Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149, 157, and 285
Without Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149 and 157

If it is Hamati vs Sparks at 165 and Amos vs Joles at 197 maybe they'll both lose but I will be very surprised if both of our young guys get shutout and Amos gets majored.

Rumor mill has Singletary (Ohio State) going to Goofers at 197 unless Gable leaves, then Singletary to 285.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on July 08, 2021, 08:13:39 AM
WrestleStat has it Gophers 21 Badgers 15
Minnesota winning 6 matches with Steveson in the lineup

125 McKee dec Barnett 11-6  Minn 3= Wis 0
133 Burwick dec Gliva 6-4  Minn 3= Wis 3
141 Gomez md Polanco 13-4  Minn 3= Wis 7
149 Blockhus dec Scharenbrock 11-6  Minn 6= Wis 7
157 Lee md Model 16-5  Minn 10= Wis 7
165 Sparks dec Hamati 7-0 Minn 13= Wis 7
174 McNally md Krattiger 12-3  Minn 13= Wis 11
184 Weiler md Salazar 14-3  Minn 13= Wis 15
197 Joles md Amos 12-0  Minn 17= Wis 15
285 Steveson md Hilger 12-3  Minn 21= Wis 15

The wrestle stat computers are way smarter than I am but ...
With Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149, 157, and 285
Without Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149 and 157

If it is Hamati vs Sparks at 165 and Amos vs Joles at 197 maybe they'll both lose but I will be very surprised if both of our young guys get shutout and Amos gets majored.

Rumor mill has Singletary (Ohio State) going to Goofers at 197 unless Gable leaves, then Singletary to 285.
Wrestlestat will be a lot closer than MNBadgerís prediction. Also agree with you on Amos/Hamiti. I believe Sparks was having off-season surgery so he may redshirt? There is a 0% chance Joles majors Amos lol. He went 4-8 last season. I hope Joles does well, but canít see a major or a win. Also Barnett has beaten McKee so wouldnít be surprised to see that result flipped either. Also it is only a point difference but Weiler probably wonít major Salazar.

So which 7 does MN win MNBadger?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 08, 2021, 11:21:42 AM
In my very quick analysis I have Gophers winning at
125(why would one choose Barnett here, I know they have traded but McKee blew it up at the end)
141
149
157
165((no good reason to thinkSparks will RS, plenty of time to recover)
174
285 (assuming Gable is here) The other two options would a likely Badger decision.
WrestleStat has it Gophers 21 Badgers 15
Minnesota winning 6 matches with Steveson in the lineup

125 McKee dec Barnett 11-6  Minn 3= Wis 0
133 Burwick dec Gliva 6-4  Minn 3= Wis 3
141 Gomez md Polanco 13-4  Minn 3= Wis 7
149 Blockhus dec Scharenbrock 11-6  Minn 6= Wis 7
157 Lee md Model 16-5  Minn 10= Wis 7
165 Sparks dec Hamati 7-0 Minn 13= Wis 7
174 McNally md Krattiger 12-3  Minn 13= Wis 11
184 Weiler md Salazar 14-3  Minn 13= Wis 15
197 Joles md Amos 12-0  Minn 17= Wis 15
285 Steveson md Hilger 12-3  Minn 21= Wis 15

The wrestle stat computers are way smarter than I am but ...
With Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149, 157, and 285
Without Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149 and 157

If it is Hamati vs Sparks at 165 and Amos vs Joles at 197 maybe they'll both lose but I will be very surprised if both of our young guys get shutout and Amos gets majored.

Rumor mill has Singletary (Ohio State) going to Goofers at 197 unless Gable leaves, then Singletary to 285.
Wrestlestat will be a lot closer than MNBadgerís prediction. Also agree with you on Amos/Hamiti. I believe Sparks was having off-season surgery so he may redshirt? There is a 0% chance Joles majors Amos lol. He went 4-8 last season. I hope Joles does well, but canít see a major or a win. Also Barnett has beaten McKee so wouldnít be surprised to see that result flipped either. Also it is only a point difference but Weiler probably wonít major Salazar.

So which 7 does MN win MNBadger?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: npope on July 08, 2021, 01:22:33 PM
My sources have been saying that Joey Grello is touring Madison and would cut to 165 for the Badgers. That would help fill a hole.

The word over on The Mat.Com is that Grello is going to U of Oklahoma. That said, that content was posted about the same time (maybe even before) this post was made on the WI Wrestling board. No one over there has confirmed the OU statement, however. Is the Grello rumor a dead thread?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 08, 2021, 03:00:20 PM
The seven I listed, 125, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, and 285.
174 is the biggest toss up in my mind.
In my very quick analysis I have Gophers winning at
125(why would one choose Barnett here, I know they have traded but McKee blew it up at the end)
141
149
157
165((no good reason to thinkSparks will RS, plenty of time to recover)
174
285 (assuming Gable is here) The other two options would a likely Badger decision.
WrestleStat has it Gophers 21 Badgers 15
Minnesota winning 6 matches with Steveson in the lineup

125 McKee dec Barnett 11-6  Minn 3= Wis 0
133 Burwick dec Gliva 6-4  Minn 3= Wis 3
141 Gomez md Polanco 13-4  Minn 3= Wis 7
149 Blockhus dec Scharenbrock 11-6  Minn 6= Wis 7
157 Lee md Model 16-5  Minn 10= Wis 7
165 Sparks dec Hamati 7-0 Minn 13= Wis 7
174 McNally md Krattiger 12-3  Minn 13= Wis 11
184 Weiler md Salazar 14-3  Minn 13= Wis 15
197 Joles md Amos 12-0  Minn 17= Wis 15
285 Steveson md Hilger 12-3  Minn 21= Wis 15

The wrestle stat computers are way smarter than I am but ...
With Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149, 157, and 285
Without Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149 and 157

If it is Hamati vs Sparks at 165 and Amos vs Joles at 197 maybe they'll both lose but I will be very surprised if both of our young guys get shutout and Amos gets majored.

Rumor mill has Singletary (Ohio State) going to Goofers at 197 unless Gable leaves, then Singletary to 285.
Wrestlestat will be a lot closer than MNBadgerís prediction. Also agree with you on Amos/Hamiti. I believe Sparks was having off-season surgery so he may redshirt? There is a 0% chance Joles majors Amos lol. He went 4-8 last season. I hope Joles does well, but canít see a major or a win. Also Barnett has beaten McKee so wouldnít be surprised to see that result flipped either. Also it is only a point difference but Weiler probably wonít major Salazar.

So which 7 does MN win MNBadger?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: oregoncy on July 08, 2021, 06:21:42 PM
The seven I listed, 125, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, and 285.
174 is the biggest toss up in my mind.
In my very quick analysis I have Gophers winning at
125(why would one choose Barnett here, I know they have traded but McKee blew it up at the end)
141
149
157
165((no good reason to thinkSparks will RS, plenty of time to recover)
174
285 (assuming Gable is here) The other two options would a likely Badger decision.
WrestleStat has it Gophers 21 Badgers 15
Minnesota winning 6 matches with Steveson in the lineup

125 McKee dec Barnett 11-6  Minn 3= Wis 0
133 Burwick dec Gliva 6-4  Minn 3= Wis 3
141 Gomez md Polanco 13-4  Minn 3= Wis 7
149 Blockhus dec Scharenbrock 11-6  Minn 6= Wis 7
157 Lee md Model 16-5  Minn 10= Wis 7
165 Sparks dec Hamati 7-0 Minn 13= Wis 7
174 McNally md Krattiger 12-3  Minn 13= Wis 11
184 Weiler md Salazar 14-3  Minn 13= Wis 15
197 Joles md Amos 12-0  Minn 17= Wis 15
285 Steveson md Hilger 12-3  Minn 21= Wis 15

The wrestle stat computers are way smarter than I am but ...
With Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149, 157, and 285
Without Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149 and 157

If it is Hamati vs Sparks at 165 and Amos vs Joles at 197 maybe they'll both lose but I will be very surprised if both of our young guys get shutout and Amos gets majored.

Rumor mill has Singletary (Ohio State) going to Goofers at 197 unless Gable leaves, then Singletary to 285.
Wrestlestat will be a lot closer than MNBadgerís prediction. Also agree with you on Amos/Hamiti. I believe Sparks was having off-season surgery so he may redshirt? There is a 0% chance Joles majors Amos lol. He went 4-8 last season. I hope Joles does well, but canít see a major or a win. Also Barnett has beaten McKee so wouldnít be surprised to see that result flipped either. Also it is only a point difference but Weiler probably wonít major Salazar.

So which 7 does MN win MNBadger?
If Gomez is healthy, what makes you think he wouldnít be a substantial favorite over Polanco? Same for 174Ö Krattiger has shown flashes but has never displayed anything that would make a rational viewer favor him over McNally and calling it a ďtoss upĒ would be VERY generous to Krattiger.

I think itís clear that Badgers would be favorites at 133, 141, 174, 184 and 197. Minnesota clear favorites at 149, 157, 285. Lean Minnesota at 165 if Hamiti goes for UW, otherwise clear MN favorites. Toss up at 125.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on July 08, 2021, 06:27:45 PM
The seven I listed, 125, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, and 285.
174 is the biggest toss up in my mind.
In my very quick analysis I have Gophers winning at
125(why would one choose Barnett here, I know they have traded but McKee blew it up at the end)
141
149
157
165((no good reason to thinkSparks will RS, plenty of time to recover)
174
285 (assuming Gable is here) The other two options would a likely Badger decision.
WrestleStat has it Gophers 21 Badgers 15
Minnesota winning 6 matches with Steveson in the lineup

125 McKee dec Barnett 11-6  Minn 3= Wis 0
133 Burwick dec Gliva 6-4  Minn 3= Wis 3
141 Gomez md Polanco 13-4  Minn 3= Wis 7
149 Blockhus dec Scharenbrock 11-6  Minn 6= Wis 7
157 Lee md Model 16-5  Minn 10= Wis 7
165 Sparks dec Hamati 7-0 Minn 13= Wis 7
174 McNally md Krattiger 12-3  Minn 13= Wis 11
184 Weiler md Salazar 14-3  Minn 13= Wis 15
197 Joles md Amos 12-0  Minn 17= Wis 15
285 Steveson md Hilger 12-3  Minn 21= Wis 15

The wrestle stat computers are way smarter than I am but ...
With Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149, 157, and 285
Without Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149 and 157

If it is Hamati vs Sparks at 165 and Amos vs Joles at 197 maybe they'll both lose but I will be very surprised if both of our young guys get shutout and Amos gets majored.

Rumor mill has Singletary (Ohio State) going to Goofers at 197 unless Gable leaves, then Singletary to 285.
Wrestlestat will be a lot closer than MNBadgerís prediction. Also agree with you on Amos/Hamiti. I believe Sparks was having off-season surgery so he may redshirt? There is a 0% chance Joles majors Amos lol. He went 4-8 last season. I hope Joles does well, but canít see a major or a win. Also Barnett has beaten McKee so wouldnít be surprised to see that result flipped either. Also it is only a point difference but Weiler probably wonít major Salazar.

So which 7 does MN win MNBadger?
If Gomez is healthy, what makes you think he wouldnít be a substantial favorite over Polanco? Same for 174Ö Krattiger has shown flashes but has never displayed anything that would make a rational viewer favor him over McNally and calling it a ďtoss upĒ would be VERY generous to Krattiger.

I think itís clear that Badgers would be favorites at 133, 141, 174, 184 and 197. Minnesota clear favorites at 149, 157, 285. Lean Minnesota at 165 if Hamiti goes for UW, otherwise clear MN favorites. Toss up at 125.
Donít be rational with MNBadger and actually use matches wrestled and understandingÖ  ;D
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 08, 2021, 07:15:26 PM
Chuckle if you want but if you are looking at matches wrestled, didnít McKee pin Barnett last time out???
I donít see McKee struggling with Barnett going forward.  I would not assume heíll pin Barnett but I see McKee as having made a big step in comparison to Barnett.
As far as McNally, there are only two common opponents that I saw in wrestlestat(comparing him with OíReilly).  Not a huge lean toward McNally so I see it as a toss up.  McNally had a flashy record but remember, he has not wrestled in the Big Ten yet and it is a whole different world than where he came from.  So, I see that as a toss up.   I think regardless, it will be close but then again I thought last year would have been closer too so who knows?  Itís fun to speculate.t
Quote from: MNbadger link=topic=57177.msg664676#msg664676hh date=1625767220
The seven I listed, 125, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, and 285.
174 is the biggest toss up in my mind.
In my very quick analysis I have Gophers winning at
125(why would one choose Barnett here, I know they have traded but McKee blew it up at the end)
141
149
157
165((no good reason to thinkSparks will RS, plenty of time to recover)
174
285 (assuming Gable is here) The other two options would a likely Badger decision.
WrestleStat has it Gophers 21 Badgers 15
Minnesota winning 6 matches with Steveson in the lineup

125 McKee dec Barnett 11-6  Minn 3= Wis 0
133 Burwick dec Gliva 6-4  Minn 3= Wis 3
141 Gomez md Polanco 13-4  Minn 3= Wis 7
149 Blockhus dec Scharenbrock 11-6  Minn 6= Wis 7
157 Lee md Model 16-5  Minn 10= Wis 7
165 Sparks dec Hamati 7-0 Minn 13= Wis 7
174 McNally md Krattiger 12-3  Minn 13= Wis 11
184 Weiler md Salazar 14-3  Minn 13= Wis 15
197 Joles md Amos 12-0  Minn 17= Wis 15
285 Steveson md Hilger 12-3  Minn 21= Wis 15

The wrestle stat computers are way smarter than I am but ...
With Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149, 157, and 285
Without Steveson in the lineup I have Minn winning 149 and 157

If it is Hamati vs Sparks at 165 and Amos vs Joles at 197 maybe they'll both lose but I will be very surprised if both of our young guys get shutout and Amos gets majored.

Rumor mill has Singletary (Ohio State) going to Goofers at 197 unless Gable leaves, then Singletary to 285.
Wrestlestat will be a lot closer than MNBadgerís prediction. Also agree with you on Amos/Hamiti. I believe Sparks was having off-season surgery so he may redshirt? There is a 0% chance Joles majors Amos lol. He went 4-8 last season. I hope Joles does well, but canít see a major or a win. Also Barnett has beaten McKee so wouldnít be surprised to see that result flipped either. Also it is only a point difference but Weiler probably wonít major Salazar.

So which 7 does MN win MNBadger?
If Gomez is healthy, what makes you think he wouldnít be a substantial favorite over Polanco? Same for 174Ö Krattiger has shown flashes but has never displayed anything that would make a rational viewer favor him over McNally and calling it a ďtoss upĒ would be VERY generous to Krattiger.

I think itís clear that Badgers would be favorites at 133, 141, 174, 184 and 197. Minnesota clear favorites at 149, 157, 285. Lean Minnesota at 165 if Hamiti goes for UW, otherwise clear MN favorites. Toss up at 125.
Donít be rational with MNBadger and actually use matches wrestled and understandingÖ  ;D
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 08, 2021, 07:19:29 PM
Hard to say about Gomez.  I gave Polanco the nod based on the fact that Gomez hasnít wrestled for a long time and who knows if he will be wrestling.  One bump on the head and he will be out, yes? 
Hopefully, he comes back and stays healthy.
I just looked at wrestlestat and his biggest wins were over #13 and #18(yes, he did pin RBY but I donít think you believe he is that caliberÖ.?).
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on July 08, 2021, 08:02:12 PM
"Chuckle if you want but if you are looking at matches wrestled, didnít McKee pin Barnett last time out???
I donít see McKee struggling with Barnett going forward.  I would not assume heíll pin Barnett but I see McKee as having made a big step in comparison to Barnett."

I see it the other way around.  I think Barnett is on a very high trajectory working with Gross every day.  He gets pinned because of his style of wrestling.  Once he figures out how to prevent those situations he will be even more dangerous and I think Gross is going to help make that happen. 

I don't think any opponent likes wrestling Barnett because he can launch you at any moment and he is not afraid to go big.  If I saw him in my side of the bracket, I would have to respect his wrestling ability at all times and would know I was in for a fight.  He is one of my favorite guys to watch right now and he is lethal when his opponents make certain mistakes regardless of how good they are which makes him exciting. 

Think of the progress he has made in the past few years.  It is super impressive and resulted in him becoming an All-American.  I really think he is going to take another monumental step forward this year and can wrestle with anyone in the country especially McKee who I also have a ton of respect for.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 08, 2021, 10:14:43 PM
Well, they will be wrestling each other going forward.  Comparing trajectory, McKee is improving more/faster, winning six straight and pinning three(including Barnett) on his way to 3rd place.
His training partners give nothing up to Gross, one being four - time AA Zach Sanders.
The one thing I will say is that McKee in the past has had some horrible performances where he just looks so bad.  I think he looks like he is past that having watched last yearís NCAA Tournament.
"Chuckle if you want but if you are looking at matches wrestled, didnít McKee pin Barnett last time out???
I donít see McKee struggling with Barnett going forward.  I would not assume heíll pin Barnett but I see McKee as having made a big step in comparison to Barnett."

I see it the other way around.  I think Barnett is on a very high trajectory working with Gross every day.  He gets pinned because of his style of wrestling.  Once he figures out how to prevent those situations he will be even more dangerous and I think Gross is going to help make that happen. 

I don't think any opponent likes wrestling Barnett because he can launch you at any moment and he is not afraid to go big.  If I saw him in my side of the bracket, I would have to respect his wrestling ability at all times and would know I was in for a fight.  He is one of my favorite guys to watch right now and he is lethal when his opponents make certain mistakes regardless of how good they are which makes him exciting. 

Think of the progress he has made in the past few years.  It is super impressive and resulted in him becoming an All-American.  I really think he is going to take another monumental step forward this year and can wrestle with anyone in the country especially McKee who I also have a ton of respect for.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on July 08, 2021, 10:36:53 PM
All great points.  McKee's finish last year was super impressive.  Both wrestlers have really done a great job over the past few years.  I just think Barnett can hang with McKee all day long and expect him to improve his pin defense  ;)

Well, they will be wrestling each other going forward.  Comparing trajectory, McKee is improving more/faster, winning six straight and pinning three(including Barnett) on his way to 3rd place.
His training partners give nothing up to Gross, one being four - time AA Zach Sanders.
The one thing I will say is that McKee in the past has had some horrible performances where he just looks so bad.  I think he looks like he is past that having watched last yearís NCAA Tournament.
"Chuckle if you want but if you are looking at matches wrestled, didnít McKee pin Barnett last time out???
I donít see McKee struggling with Barnett going forward.  I would not assume heíll pin Barnett but I see McKee as having made a big step in comparison to Barnett."

I see it the other way around.  I think Barnett is on a very high trajectory working with Gross every day.  He gets pinned because of his style of wrestling.  Once he figures out how to prevent those situations he will be even more dangerous and I think Gross is going to help make that happen. 

I don't think any opponent likes wrestling Barnett because he can launch you at any moment and he is not afraid to go big.  If I saw him in my side of the bracket, I would have to respect his wrestling ability at all times and would know I was in for a fight.  He is one of my favorite guys to watch right now and he is lethal when his opponents make certain mistakes regardless of how good they are which makes him exciting. 

Think of the progress he has made in the past few years.  It is super impressive and resulted in him becoming an All-American.  I really think he is going to take another monumental step forward this year and can wrestle with anyone in the country especially McKee who I also have a ton of respect for.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on July 09, 2021, 03:27:12 AM
Well, they will be wrestling each other going forward.  Comparing trajectory, McKee is improving more/faster, winning six straight and pinning three(including Barnett) on his way to 3rd place.
His training partners give nothing up to Gross, one being four - time AA Zach Sanders.
The one thing I will say is that McKee in the past has had some horrible performances where he just looks so bad.  I think he looks like he is past that having watched last yearís NCAA Tournament.
"Chuckle if you want but if you are looking at matches wrestled, didnít McKee pin Barnett last time out???
I donít see McKee struggling with Barnett going forward.  I would not assume heíll pin Barnett but I see McKee as having made a big step in comparison to Barnett."

I see it the other way around.  I think Barnett is on a very high trajectory working with Gross every day.  He gets pinned because of his style of wrestling.  Once he figures out how to prevent those situations he will be even more dangerous and I think Gross is going to help make that happen. 

I don't think any opponent likes wrestling Barnett because he can launch you at any moment and he is not afraid to go big.  If I saw him in my side of the bracket, I would have to respect his wrestling ability at all times and would know I was in for a fight.  He is one of my favorite guys to watch right now and he is lethal when his opponents make certain mistakes regardless of how good they are which makes him exciting. 

Think of the progress he has made in the past few years.  It is super impressive and resulted in him becoming an All-American.  I really think he is going to take another monumental step forward this year and can wrestle with anyone in the country especially McKee who I also have a ton of respect for.
Give nothing up to GrossÖ except one is an all American and one is a 2x finalist. Also you bring up Gomez beating two guys ranked top 20. What is Polancos best win? Guaranteed it isnít close to top 40. McNally beat Krattiger already, but now Krattiger is favored to win.  You have really sound logic  ::)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 09, 2021, 01:40:35 PM
Everyone has their opinion.  Sanders is a four timer finishing as high as third (6th, 5th, 5th, 3rd).  Yes, Gross is a two time finalist but the difference between that and other finishes, especially third is usually a whisker difference at this level.  He also is experienced and respected as a coach.  Sanders also was a World Team member.  I am not arguing that Sanders is a vastly better coach/training partner.  I am saying he gives up nothing to Gross is this regard.  His qualifications and accomplishments are at minimum equal to Grossí.
Well, they will be wrestling each other going forward.  Comparing trajectory, McKee is improving more/faster, winning six straight and pinning three(including Barnett) on his way to 3rd place.
His training partners give nothing up to Gross, one being four - time AA Zach Sanders.
The one thing I will say is that McKee in the past has had some horrible performances where he just looks so bad.  I think he looks like he is past that having watched last yearís NCAA Tournament.
"Chuckle if you want but if you are looking at matches wrestled, didnít McKee pin Barnett last time out???
I donít see McKee struggling with Barnett going forward.  I would not assume heíll pin Barnett but I see McKee as having made a big step in comparison to Barnett."

I see it the other way around.  I think Barnett is on a very high trajectory working with Gross every day.  He gets pinned because of his style of wrestling.  Once he figures out how to prevent those situations he will be even more dangerous and I think Gross is going to help make that happen. 

I don't think any opponent likes wrestling Barnett because he can launch you at any moment and he is not afraid to go big.  If I saw him in my side of the bracket, I would have to respect his wrestling ability at all times and would know I was in for a fight.  He is one of my favorite guys to watch right now and he is lethal when his opponents make certain mistakes regardless of how good they are which makes him exciting. 

Think of the progress he has made in the past few years.  It is super impressive and resulted in him becoming an All-American.  I really think he is going to take another monumental step forward this year and can wrestle with anyone in the country especially McKee who I also have a ton of respect for.
Give nothing up to GrossÖ except one is an all American and one is a 2x finalist. Also you bring up Gomez beating two guys ranked top 20. What is Polancos best win? Guaranteed it isnít close to top 40. McNally beat Krattiger already, but now Krattiger is favored to win.  You have really sound logic  ::)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: vsmf2010 on July 09, 2021, 02:53:29 PM
Donít be rational with MNBadger and actually use matches wrestled and understandingÖ  ;D

Reading the recent entry's on this string today reminded me of a saying my boss told me a long time ago...

"arguing with (fill in the blank) is like wrestling with a pig in mud. You both get dirty but the pigs likes it!"
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 09, 2021, 03:01:55 PM
I donít see this as arguing.  I made my points based on comparison of qualifications, accomplishments, and track record.  I see it as a debate.  The truth is, there are many with credentials who are/were not good coaches and those without the greatest credentials who are/were great coaches.
I was simply comparing the two individuals mentioned.
Donít be rational with MNBadger and actually use matches wrestled and understandingÖ  ;D

Reading the recent entry's on this string today reminded me of a saying my boss told me a long time ago...

"arguing with (fill in the blank) is like wrestling with a pig in mud. You both get dirty but the pigs likes it!"
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on July 09, 2021, 06:05:04 PM
I think you made some really good points.  I really thought Minnesota may be in some trouble after what happened with J Rob but I am really excited for what's going on up there.  I see progress with both teams.

I donít see this as arguing.  I made my points based on comparison of qualifications, accomplishments, and track record.  I see it as a debate.  The truth is, there are many with credentials who are/were not good coaches and those without the greatest credentials who are/were great coaches.
I was simply comparing the two individuals mentioned.
Donít be rational with MNBadger and actually use matches wrestled and understandingÖ  ;D

Reading the recent entry's on this string today reminded me of a saying my boss told me a long time ago...

"arguing with (fill in the blank) is like wrestling with a pig in mud. You both get dirty but the pigs likes it!"
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 09, 2021, 07:51:14 PM
I agree whole-heartedly.  It is good for wrestling to have competitive programs, particularly rivalries like MN/WI.
I think you made some really good points.  I really thought Minnesota may be in some trouble after what happened with J Rob but I am really excited for what's going on up there.  I see progress with both teams.

I donít see this as arguing.  I made my points based on comparison of qualifications, accomplishments, and track record.  I see it as a debate.  The truth is, there are many with credentials who are/were not good coaches and those without the greatest credentials who are/were great coaches.
I was simply comparing the two individuals mentioned.
Donít be rational with MNBadger and actually use matches wrestled and understandingÖ  ;D

Reading the recent entry's on this string today reminded me of a saying my boss told me a long time ago...

"arguing with (fill in the blank) is like wrestling with a pig in mud. You both get dirty but the pigs likes it!"
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MakingABadgerer on July 10, 2021, 11:44:42 AM
Mnbadger says the goofers go 7/10 but the team score will be ďvery closeĒ. Is he calling for it 21-18 (all goofer decisions and all Badger pins)?  Using that logic, if Gable goes to the land of Vince McMahon, is mnbadger calling for a Badger team win while the goofers win 6/10?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 10, 2021, 01:38:44 PM
Think of it like last year.  It should have been close but was not score-wise.
For next year, assuming our speculation is correct on the line ups, 174 and 141 are toss ups I am giving to MN.  If those both go to the Badgers, huge difference, right?
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on July 10, 2021, 02:42:27 PM
I've been thinking about what you wrote here since you posted.  I am not taking anything away from Sanders ability but as I watched Seth Gross over the years he really has a unique style and skill set.  He allows himself to get into very weird defensive positions and then has created somewhat unique counters to create offense.  So many times I have seen him allow people to get in on his legs and it ends up being sort of a trap for the other wrestler. 

What makes Gross so interesting as a coaching prospect is that if he can teach these skills to his athletes you will see huge improvements in the lighter weights which is exactly what I think we saw last year.  This is also why going forward I expect additional progress from Barnett, Burwick, and now Gomez. 

I heard Bono say he wasn't really a "technical" wrestler when he was younger on an interview.  I have also heard posters imply that he is more of a toughness and conditioning kind of coach versus teaching technique.  I see in Gross the potential to really complement Bono's coaching style because he seems to understand the nuances of wresting positions and technique.  If he can teach and communicate that to his athletes you will see some very impressive results in the future.  I am very excited on his potential coaching ability for this fact alone.  If you watch Barnett at the end of last season you can catch glimpses of Gross at different times.  I think just rolling around with these young wrestlers he is starting to have an impact and his style is rubbing off on them.

I am not sure if this post makes sense but I think Gross has a lot more potential to add value as a coach because of his unique style and the contrast to Bono's coaching style.  Comparing his past results compared to another coach really means nothing to me because great athletes don't always make great coaches.  The real test is whether Gross can teach wrestling and I am very optimistic based on this past year.

Everyone has their opinion.  Sanders is a four timer finishing as high as third (6th, 5th, 5th, 3rd).  Yes, Gross is a two time finalist but the difference between that and other finishes, especially third is usually a whisker difference at this level.  He also is experienced and respected as a coach.  Sanders also was a World Team member.  I am not arguing that Sanders is a vastly better coach/training partner.  I am saying he gives up nothing to Gross is this regard.  His qualifications and accomplishments are at minimum equal to Grossí.
Well, they will be wrestling each other going forward.  Comparing trajectory, McKee is improving more/faster, winning six straight and pinning three(including Barnett) on his way to 3rd place.
His training partners give nothing up to Gross, one being four - time AA Zach Sanders.
The one thing I will say is that McKee in the past has had some horrible performances where he just looks so bad.  I think he looks like he is past that having watched last yearís NCAA Tournament.
"Chuckle if you want but if you are looking at matches wrestled, didnít McKee pin Barnett last time out???
I donít see McKee struggling with Barnett going forward.  I would not assume heíll pin Barnett but I see McKee as having made a big step in comparison to Barnett."

I see it the other way around.  I think Barnett is on a very high trajectory working with Gross every day.  He gets pinned because of his style of wrestling.  Once he figures out how to prevent those situations he will be even more dangerous and I think Gross is going to help make that happen. 

I don't think any opponent likes wrestling Barnett because he can launch you at any moment and he is not afraid to go big.  If I saw him in my side of the bracket, I would have to respect his wrestling ability at all times and would know I was in for a fight.  He is one of my favorite guys to watch right now and he is lethal when his opponents make certain mistakes regardless of how good they are which makes him exciting. 

Think of the progress he has made in the past few years.  It is super impressive and resulted in him becoming an All-American.  I really think he is going to take another monumental step forward this year and can wrestle with anyone in the country especially McKee who I also have a ton of respect for.
Give nothing up to GrossÖ except one is an all American and one is a 2x finalist. Also you bring up Gomez beating two guys ranked top 20. What is Polancos best win? Guaranteed it isnít close to top 40. McNally beat Krattiger already, but now Krattiger is favored to win.  You have really sound logic  ::)
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MakingABadgerer on July 10, 2021, 03:05:39 PM
But Zach Sanders clearly has the better hype video

https://youtu.be/0RRc8Zh72Wc
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: Harris on July 10, 2021, 03:44:42 PM
But Zach Sanders clearly has the better hype video

https://youtu.be/0RRc8Zh72Wc

I like that video
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on July 10, 2021, 10:40:29 PM
Think of it like last year.  It should have been close but was not score-wise.
For next year, assuming our speculation is correct on the line ups, 174 and 141 are toss ups I am giving to MN.  If those both go to the Badgers, huge difference, right?
How is 174 a toss up? McNally beat Krattiger 6-3 head to head with 3 takedowns to 0. McNally was a blood round guy last season and Krattiger didnít even qualify. Iím sure Krattiger will make adjustments/improvements, but McNally goes from the Kent State room/coaching to Wisconsinís with guys much better than he had previously. There is 0 information that says Krattiger should be favored.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 11, 2021, 12:25:08 AM
As I said before, McNally did not wrestle in the Big Ten before.  We will see.  Also, we donít know that Krattiger will be the starter yet(Yes, I realize we are all speculating on both line ups).
Think of it like last year.  It should have been close but was not score-wise.
For next year, assuming our speculation is correct on the line ups, 174 and 141 are toss ups I am giving to MN.  If those both go to the Badgers, huge difference, right?
How is 174 a toss up? McNally beat Krattiger 6-3 head to head with 3 takedowns to 0. McNally was a blood round guy last season and Krattiger didnít even qualify. Iím sure Krattiger will make adjustments/improvements, but McNally goes from the Kent State room/coaching to Wisconsinís with guys much better than he had previously. There is 0 information that says Krattiger should be favored.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: wrastle63 on July 11, 2021, 08:49:33 AM
As I said before, McNally did not wrestle in the Big Ten before.  We will see.  Also, we donít know that Krattiger will be the starter yet(Yes, I realize we are all speculating on both line ups).
Think of it like last year.  It should have been close but was not score-wise.
For next year, assuming our speculation is correct on the line ups, 174 and 141 are toss ups I am giving to MN.  If those both go to the Badgers, huge difference, right?
How is 174 a toss up? McNally beat Krattiger 6-3 head to head with 3 takedowns to 0. McNally was a blood round guy last season and Krattiger didnít even qualify. Iím sure Krattiger will make adjustments/improvements, but McNally goes from the Kent State room/coaching to Wisconsinís with guys much better than he had previously. There is 0 information that says Krattiger should be favored.
LOL
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 11, 2021, 12:34:52 PM
LOL?
As I said before, McNally did not wrestle in the Big Ten before.  We will see.  Also, we donít know that Krattiger will be the starter yet(Yes, I realize we are all speculating on both line ups).
Think of it like last year.  It should have been close but was not score-wise.
For next year, assuming our speculation is correct on the line ups, 174 and 141 are toss ups I am giving to MN.  If those both go to the Badgers, huge difference, right?
How is 174 a toss up? McNally beat Krattiger 6-3 head to head with 3 takedowns to 0. McNally was a blood round guy last season and Krattiger didnít even qualify. Iím sure Krattiger will make adjustments/improvements, but McNally goes from the Kent State room/coaching to Wisconsinís with guys much better than he had previously. There is 0 information that says Krattiger should be favored.
LOL
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MakingABadgerer on July 11, 2021, 12:49:04 PM
It means he thinks youíre funny.

174 will be interesting. I suspect both wrestlers will be extra motivated for this one.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: MNbadger on July 11, 2021, 01:03:45 PM
I know it means he thinks it is funny but what does he think is funny?  The Gophers also have Bailey OíReilly.  I am not sure he is big enough for 174 however. 
It means he thinks youíre funny.

174 will be interesting. I suspect both wrestlers will be extra motivated for this one.
Title: Re: way too early 2021-2022 line up
Post by: hammer on July 11, 2021, 07:01:53 PM
I know it means he thinks it is funny but what does he think is funny?  The Gophers also have Bailey OíReilly.  I am not sure he is big enough for 174 however. 
It means he thinks youíre funny.

174 will be interesting. I suspect both wrestlers will be extra motivated for this one.

I hear O'Reilly is plenty big enough for 174 and will be doing some cutting to get there. I was hoping Krattinger would be the 174 pounder for the Gophers. I still hope Krattinger fits in at 174 or 184, though he will have to get after it make make the lineup at either spot I am feeling.