Looking for some input on a topic that some of us have been kicking around the last couple of weeks...
Does the head wrestling coach at UW need to have a positive relationship with Ben Askren and AWA(this includes Max and the other coaches) in order to have success? Particularly in regards to in-state recruiting and successful, well attended summer camps.
Quote from: The Twisted Moose on February 15, 2021, 04:54:52 PM
Looking for some input on a topic that some of us have been kicking around the last couple of weeks...
Does the head wrestling coach at UW need to have a positive relationship with Ben Askren and AWA(this includes Max and the other coaches) in order to have success? Particularly in regards to in-state recruiting and successful, well attended summer camps.
Another take on this is why can't the head of AWA have a good relationship with multiple UW coaches?
Does the head coach at AWA need to have a positive relationship with Chris Bono and UW (this includes Jon Reader and Seth Gross) in order to get his kids the most scholarship opportunities and assure they can wrestle close to home if they so choose?
It would be a benefit for everyone if they got along and AWA was pro UW. It would help grow the sport in WI.
If UW's goal is to be a top 5 program, unfortunately AWA has produced very few wrestlers that have produced a lot of points at NCAAs that would help UW get there, but O'toole looks to be a potential 4 time high AA and Keckeisen and Mocco are not far behind and appear to have had more college success to date than our young guys.
Wrestling is unique in that most high end programs do not rely on in state talent to be successful. Bono was not able to get O'toole, but he was able to get Hamiti and Amos, who are both about at the same level. There are only so many scholarships available, so if O'toole was here there might not be enough scholarship $ for Hamiti. If AWA and Askren have a negative relationship with the coaches, and would push kids away from UW, IMO the biggest losers involved are the kids. Hopefully that is not happening.
To be honest I doubt currently there are many kids the UW is recruiting from Wisconsin. While we think the Wisconsin kids are awesome not sure if the coaches ar the UW feel the same way.
No RIP on the great state of Wisconsin wrestlers at all. Bono has brought in some really top recruits from across the country. Now let's see if those kids devolpe into some serious studs!
Though I will say other colleges are moving really hard on some Wisconsin kids!
UW has been getting kids from Wisconsin for years. How many of them have been top 12/16 at NCAAs? Need to lower the bar from AA just to have a list.
Perhaps a better question is what is the issue between Ben and Bono and/or the UW program? A good relationship with the most successful club in the state would help the Badger wrestling program. I was excited at the beginning, but what/why did it change? Can it be mended...Is it an ego thing on both sides?
Obviously it would be great if Bono has a good relationship with Ben, but it certainly is not necessary. Other than O'toole there is not one AWA kid that would have had a real impact on this program. Establishing relationships with programs in California, Texas, and other large States that don't have power wrestling programs would be more important. Also, The Chicago area high has a wealth of talent and UW is an attractive known option.
Quote from: Numbers on February 15, 2021, 07:33:26 PM
UW has been getting kids from Wisconsin for years. How many of them have been top 12/16 at NCAAs? Need to lower the bar from AA just to have a list.
Correct. The talent from AWA and WI has mostly been good for depth, but not high end talent you want competing against PSU, Iowa, or OSU, with the exception of O'Toole and maybe Keckeisen.
Almost all the wrestlers at AWA have been ones you hope to get to walk on or give minimal scholarship money to, assuming the goal is to be a top 5 team.
So, an honest question.......Unless I am mistaken, this was an issue when Barry was here, correct?
So now with Bono, the same thing.......What is the common denominator?
Quote from: MNbadger on February 15, 2021, 08:48:32 PM
So, an honest question.......Unless I am mistaken, this was an issue when Barry was here, correct?
So now with Bono, the same thing.......What is the common denominator?
And of the 3 Bs Barry, Bono, and Ben, who do you think has the bigger ego? My guess is Ben is a hard guy to please if he isn't getting exactly what he wants. I also believe his greatest loyalty is to Missouri not UW.
Quote from: 1Iota on February 15, 2021, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 15, 2021, 08:48:32 PM
So, an honest question.......Unless I am mistaken, this was an issue when Barry was here, correct?
So now with Bono, the same thing.......What is the common denominator?
And of the 3 Bs Barry, Bono, and Ben, who do you think has the bigger ego? My guess is Ben is a hard guy to please if he isn't getting exactly what he wants. I also believe his greatest loyalty is to Missouri not UW.
Pretty sure Ben is looking out for the kids like many coaches do. I believe 3 AWA kids wrestled for the Badgers this weekend.
Anyone want to research results of Stoughton kids at UW or D1 recently. Some make a lineup but not multi AA. Should UW Wrestling and Stoughton have a separate thread?
Quote from: Numbers on February 15, 2021, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: 1Iota on February 15, 2021, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 15, 2021, 08:48:32 PM
So, an honest question.......Unless I am mistaken, this was an issue when Barry was here, correct?
So now with Bono, the same thing.......What is the common denominator?
And of the 3 Bs Barry, Bono, and Ben, who do you think has the bigger ego? My guess is Ben is a hard guy to please if he isn't getting exactly what he wants. I also believe his greatest loyalty is to Missouri not UW.
Pretty sure Ben is looking out for the kids like many coaches do. I believe 3 AWA kids wrestled for the Badgers this weekend.
Anyone want to research results of Stoughton kids at UW or D1 recently. Some make a lineup but not multi AA. Should UW Wrestling and Stoughton have a separate thread?
No need for a separate thread, the Stoughton coaches have a great relationship with Bono and company. The Stoughton coaches had a great relationship with Barry Davis.
Quote from: wrestler_73 on February 15, 2021, 08:06:54 PM
Perhaps a better question is what is the issue between Ben and Bono and/or the UW program? A good relationship with the most successful club in the state would help the Badger wrestling program. I was excited at the beginning, but what/why did it change? Can it be mended...Is it an ego thing on both sides?
I'm a little out of the loop here. I didn't know there was an issue with Ben and Coach Bono. Could you please enlighten me? Anyone really.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on February 16, 2021, 07:11:55 AM
Quote from: Numbers on February 15, 2021, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: 1Iota on February 15, 2021, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 15, 2021, 08:48:32 PM
So, an honest question.......Unless I am mistaken, this was an issue when Barry was here, correct?
So now with Bono, the same thing.......What is the common denominator?
And of the 3 Bs Barry, Bono, and Ben, who do you think has the bigger ego? My guess is Ben is a hard guy to please if he isn't getting exactly what he wants. I also believe his greatest loyalty is to Missouri not UW.
Is Stoughton still relevant?
Pretty sure Ben is looking out for the kids like many coaches do. I believe 3 AWA kids wrestled for the Badgers this weekend.
Anyone want to research results of Stoughton kids at UW or D1 recently. Some make a lineup but not multi AA. Should UW Wrestling and Stoughton have a separate thread?
No need for a separate thread, the Stoughton coaches have a great relationship with Bono and company. The Stoughton coaches had a great relationship with Barry Davis.
Quote from: shakerag on February 16, 2021, 09:44:39 AM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on February 15, 2021, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: The Twisted Moose on February 15, 2021, 04:54:52 PM
Looking for some input on a topic that some of us have been kicking around the last couple of weeks...
Does the head wrestling coach at UW need to have a positive relationship with Ben Askren and AWA(this includes Max and the other coaches) in order to have success? Particularly in regards to in-state recruiting and successful, well attended summer camps.
Another take on this is why can't the head of AWA have a good relationship with multiple UW coaches?
Does the head coach at AWA need to have a positive relationship with Chris Bono and UW (this includes Jon Reader and Seth Gross) in order to get his kids the most scholarship opportunities and assure they can wrestle close to home if they so choose?
I'm gonna say no. I'd imagine that the UW staff would pursue a talented wrestler regardless where he trained.
Also, if I had to guess, AWA is going outlast Bono and the bunch by a long shot. Bono came into Ben's backyard. So it's imperative that Bono makes the effort. For example the Gopher coaches have a great relationship with the pinnacle the twin cities.
Ben may very well outlast Bono and company and if history is an indicator, Ben will have an issue and not a great relationship with whomever the next head coach is too.
Quote from: Gizmo on February 16, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: wrestler_73 on February 15, 2021, 08:06:54 PM
Perhaps a better question is what is the issue between Ben and Bono and/or the UW program? A good relationship with the most successful club in the state would help the Badger wrestling program. I was excited at the beginning, but what/why did it change? Can it be mended...Is it an ego thing on both sides?
I'm a little out of the loop here. I didn't know there was an issue with Ben and Coach Bono. Could you please enlighten me? Anyone really.
Ben quit as the RTC, on this forum and twitter, citing lack of integrity and transparency. Then did not back up or explain his beliefs on FLO the next day when asked. Ben recently got into small twitter beef over Bono's upcoming youth tournament, Willy S joined in railing on Ben for a couple days.
Quote from: Gizmo on February 16, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: wrestler_73 on February 15, 2021, 08:06:54 PM
Perhaps a better question is what is the issue between Ben and Bono and/or the UW program? A good relationship with the most successful club in the state would help the Badger wrestling program. I was excited at the beginning, but what/why did it change? Can it be mended...Is it an ego thing on both sides?
I'm a little out of the loop here. I didn't know there was an issue with Ben and Coach Bono. Could you please enlighten me? Anyone really.
Askren took a shot at "leadership" when he resigned as head coach of the RTC and the assumption was it was at coach Bono. The tweet is below and the typo for transparency is his not mine. :)
Funky @Benaskren ·Aug 10, 2020
I resign effective immediately as the Head Coach of the Wisconsin RTC due to a lack of integrity and transperency by leadership
Quote from: BuckyMatt on February 16, 2021, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: shakerag on February 16, 2021, 09:44:39 AM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on February 15, 2021, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: The Twisted Moose on February 15, 2021, 04:54:52 PM
Looking for some input on a topic that some of us have been kicking around the last couple of weeks...
Does the head wrestling coach at UW need to have a positive relationship with Ben Askren and AWA(this includes Max and the other coaches) in order to have success? Particularly in regards to in-state recruiting and successful, well attended summer camps.
Another take on this is why can't the head of AWA have a good relationship with multiple UW coaches?
Does the head coach at AWA need to have a positive relationship with Chris Bono and UW (this includes Jon Reader and Seth Gross) in order to get his kids the most scholarship opportunities and assure they can wrestle close to home if they so choose?
I'm gonna say no. I'd imagine that the UW staff would pursue a talented wrestler regardless where he trained.
Also, if I had to guess, AWA is going outlast Bono and the bunch by a long shot. Bono came into Ben's backyard. So it's imperative that Bono makes the effort. For example the Gopher coaches have a great relationship with the pinnacle the twin cities.
Ben may very well outlast Bono and company and if history is an indicator, Ben will have an issue and not a great relationship with whomever the next head coach is too.
Unfortunately BuckyMatt you have hit the nail on the head
Quote from: mkm13 on February 15, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
It would be a benefit for everyone if they got along and AWA was pro UW. It would help grow the sport in WI.
If UW's goal is to be a top 5 program, unfortunately AWA has produced very few wrestlers that have produced a lot of points at NCAAs that would help UW get there, but O'toole looks to be a potential 4 time high AA and Keckeisen and Mocco are not far behind and appear to have had more college success to date than our young guys.
Wrestling is unique in that most high end programs do not rely on in state talent to be successful. Bono was not able to get O'toole, but he was able to get Hamiti and Amos, who are both about at the same level. There are only so many scholarships available, so if O'toole was here there might not be enough scholarship $ for Hamiti. If AWA and Askren have a negative relationship with the coaches, and would push kids away from UW, IMO the biggest losers involved are the kids. Hopefully that is not happening.
O'toole could actually be a 5 time AA. Honestly, I think AWA is just gaining on the national seen and we will see them produce more NCAA point as we progress into the future. They currently have 3 athletes on the D1 NCAA Level knocking on the door to AA. They will be producing more and more in the next couple years. Whiting has the potential to be great. Messerbrink will be phenomenal. Greyson Clark has potential. Connor Thorpe is a guy that has improved rapidly over the year. The Mirasola brothers look like studs. Matt Bianchi could have success for Little Rock.
I think Bono needs to figure out how to create a pipeline between Wisconsin and AWA because the D1 hammers are coming out of that club and it is going to get old real quick watching those guys AA for other D1 programs.
I have tremendous respect for Ben and Max. They have devoted their lives to improving wrestling and running a very successful and profitable company. To say that they are not producing good enough talent to make a difference is ridiculous. Can you be a consistent top 10 program in the nation with just Wisconsin kids... NO! However, losing out on many of our top kids in the past and now will lead us down the same road we were on with Barry.
I wish Ben would make this right.
It seems a lot of people are mixing Ben's angst against UW/Bono as AWA's angst against Bono/UW.
-Most of AWA's top performers are byproducts of Max, Josh W, John Mesenbrink, Jordan N, and soon Tristan M...Why assume Ben's drama is the same with 5 other coaches? Are you assuming those 5 coaches care more about Ben's views then what best for the kids they coach?
-Many of these HS kids cited are not just "AWA property." Look at Ringer and Nazar's posts of their state tourney kids. Lots of cross over.
-Lots of positive changes in the past few years regarding WI clubs. WI is producing more and more kids with DI promise (and DII and DII and now NAIA at Bryant and Stratton). Would be great if Bono/Ben got along, but really doesn't matter one bit in my opinion.
Quote from: tigerking on February 16, 2021, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: mkm13 on February 15, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
It would be a benefit for everyone if they got along and AWA was pro UW. It would help grow the sport in WI.
If UW's goal is to be a top 5 program, unfortunately AWA has produced very few wrestlers that have produced a lot of points at NCAAs that would help UW get there, but O'toole looks to be a potential 4 time high AA and Keckeisen and Mocco are not far behind and appear to have had more college success to date than our young guys.
Wrestling is unique in that most high end programs do not rely on in state talent to be successful. Bono was not able to get O'toole, but he was able to get Hamiti and Amos, who are both about at the same level. There are only so many scholarships available, so if O'toole was here there might not be enough scholarship $ for Hamiti. If AWA and Askren have a negative relationship with the coaches, and would push kids away from UW, IMO the biggest losers involved are the kids. Hopefully that is not happening.
O'toole could actually be a 5 time AA. Honestly, I think AWA is just gaining on the national seen and we will see them produce more NCAA point as we progress into the future. They currently have 3 athletes on the D1 NCAA Level knocking on the door to AA. They will be producing more and more in the next couple years. Whiting has the potential to be great. Messerbrink will be phenomenal. Greyson Clark has potential. Connor Thorpe is a guy that has improved rapidly over the year. The Mirasola brothers look like studs. Matt Bianchi could have success for Little Rock.
I think Bono needs to figure out how to create a pipeline between Wisconsin and AWA because the D1 hammers are coming out of that club and it is going to get old real quick watching those guys AA for other D1 programs.
You are correct, O'Toole could be a 5 time AA. He likely will be assuming he wants to stay for 5 years and does not get injured. Were the 3 athletes a small waive of talent where it slide back to what it was prior to them similar to what happened after Dieringer, Thiekle, and Sueflohn? I personally don't think the wrestlers you mentioned are at the same level in terms of college potential, but I hope they are as that would be great for them and wrestling in WI. They have done great in WI, but for the most part have not had the same success against other elite wrestlers in national tournaments.
It would be great if AWA and the state of WI can produce a couple kids in each recruiting class that produce major points at NCAA's. Will be curious to track the progress as the years pass.
Quote from: asdf on February 16, 2021, 12:07:17 PM
It seems a lot of people are mixing Ben's angst against UW/Bono as AWA's angst against Bono/UW.
-Most of AWA's top performers are byproducts of Max, Josh W, John Mesenbrink, Jordan N, and soon Tristan M...Why assume Ben's drama is the same with 5 other coaches? Are you assuming those 5 coaches care more about Ben's views then what best for the kids they coach?
-Many of these HS kids cited are not just "AWA property." Look at Ringer and Nazar's posts of their state tourney kids. Lots of cross over.
-Lots of positive changes in the past few years regarding WI clubs. WI is producing more and more kids with DI promise (and DII and DII and now NAIA at Bryant and Stratton). Would be great if Bono/Ben got along, but really doesn't matter one bit in my opinion.
He wrestled for Bono and Reader which should help. Ben has every right to dislike or not want to be apart of the UW program, but wish it wasn't such a public situation(posting on twitter, FRL, etc.). Bad for recruiting and growing the support for the program.
Bridges have been burned. Just because you wrestled for a guy doesn't mean you will remain loyal. Loyalty is a two way street. Having talked to several club coaches across this state. I am not sure it's just AWA that UW needs to be concerned about.
Quote from: tigerking on February 16, 2021, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: mkm13 on February 15, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
It would be a benefit for everyone if they got along and AWA was pro UW. It would help grow the sport in WI.
If UW's goal is to be a top 5 program, unfortunately AWA has produced very few wrestlers that have produced a lot of points at NCAAs that would help UW get there, but O'toole looks to be a potential 4 time high AA and Keckeisen and Mocco are not far behind and appear to have had more college success to date than our young guys.
Wrestling is unique in that most high end programs do not rely on in state talent to be successful. Bono was not able to get O'toole, but he was able to get Hamiti and Amos, who are both about at the same level. There are only so many scholarships available, so if O'toole was here there might not be enough scholarship $ for Hamiti. If AWA and Askren have a negative relationship with the coaches, and would push kids away from UW, IMO the biggest losers involved are the kids. Hopefully that is not happening.
O'toole could actually be a 5 time AA. Honestly, I think AWA is just gaining on the national seen and we will see them produce more NCAA point as we progress into the future. They currently have 3 athletes on the D1 NCAA Level knocking on the door to AA. They will be producing more and more in the next couple years. Whiting has the potential to be great. Messerbrink will be phenomenal. Greyson Clark has potential. Connor Thorpe is a guy that has improved rapidly over the year. The Mirasola brothers look like studs. Matt Bianchi could have success for Little Rock.
I think Bono needs to figure out how to create a pipeline between Wisconsin and AWA because the D1 hammers are coming out of that club and it is going to get old real quick watching those guys AA for other D1 programs.
Out of curiosity which 3 are you referring to?
I am guessing he is talking about O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco. Might be a little early to put Mocco into that category despite being undefeated this year as his best win is against the #26th ranked guy on wrestleastat who is 6-4 this year.
Quote from: mkm13 on February 16, 2021, 01:32:52 PM
I am guessing he is talking about O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco. Might be a little early to put Mocco into that category despite being undefeated this year as his best win is against the #26th ranked guy on wrestleastat who is 6-4 this year.
We are on the same page. I think Barnett would have a better shot at this point than Mocco so I thought maybe EB was the 3rd. Keckeisen (3 top 16) and Barnett have the best wins of the 4 so far. O'Toole is a legit stud no doubt but has not hit anyone inside the top 20 yet. I am anxious to see what he can do with those top tier guys. He could definitely AA this year especially with 165 being down vs the last couple of years. To think in 2019 the 8th best wrestler was Logan Massa.
Another WI wrestler to watch is Stephen Buchanan. He is on a terror. Two wins over Noah Adams is no joke. Have to like his chances at the podium.
Quote from: tigerking on February 16, 2021, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: mkm13 on February 15, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
It would be a benefit for everyone if they got along and AWA was pro UW. It would help grow the sport in WI.
If UW's goal is to be a top 5 program, unfortunately AWA has produced very few wrestlers that have produced a lot of points at NCAAs that would help UW get there, but O'toole looks to be a potential 4 time high AA and Keckeisen and Mocco are not far behind and appear to have had more college success to date than our young guys.
Wrestling is unique in that most high end programs do not rely on in state talent to be successful. Bono was not able to get O'toole, but he was able to get Hamiti and Amos, who are both about at the same level. There are only so many scholarships available, so if O'toole was here there might not be enough scholarship $ for Hamiti. If AWA and Askren have a negative relationship with the coaches, and would push kids away from UW, IMO the biggest losers involved are the kids. Hopefully that is not happening.
O'toole could actually be a 5 time AA. Honestly, I think AWA is just gaining on the national seen and we will see them produce more NCAA point as we progress into the future. They currently have 3 athletes on the D1 NCAA Level knocking on the door to AA. They will be producing more and more in the next couple years. Whiting has the potential to be great. Messerbrink will be phenomenal. Greyson Clark has potential. Connor Thorpe is a guy that has improved rapidly over the year. The Mirasola brothers look like studs. Matt Bianchi could have success for Little Rock.
I think Bono needs to figure out how to create a pipeline between Wisconsin and AWA because the D1 hammers are coming out of that club and it is going to get old real quick watching those guys AA for other D1 programs.
I hope you're right about all these kids, but as someone who has watched O'toole wrestle since he was 5 I can assure you he was on another level his whole life. We knew long before he joined AWA that he was special.
This is going to keep coming up for as long as AWA is a club, and with any coach who is the head of the Badger wrestling team.
Did anyone think that two alpha males like Coach Bono and Ben Askren would continue to agree on things long term? Ben is loyal to his guys, and if something went sideways with one of the AWA guys, that would cause a riff between the two. Plus, if Ben wanted the UW job, there would always be this feeling that he could do it better than Bono.
What AWA kid SHOULD have gone to UW?
O'Toole is a loss. He's the real deal
Mocco was a diamond in the rough that was jumped on the radar when he almost beat Sasso.
Keckeisen was similar to Mocco. Jumped in the radar late
I would hope that AWA would push towards Wisconsin when the kid fit the program. The style of AWA isn't Bono's style, so it's going to be rare when the fit is right.
Quote from: Ghetto on February 17, 2021, 08:30:31 AM
I would hope that AWA would push towards Wisconsin when the kid fit the program. The style of AWA isn't Bono's style, so it's going to be rare when the fit is right.
Curious...what is different about AWA's "style" from Bono's "style"?? Technique? Philosophy?
We are on the same page. I think Barnett would have a better shot at this point than Mocco so I thought maybe EB was the 3rd. Keckeisen (3 top 16) and Barnett have the best wins of the 4 so far. O'Toole is a legit stud no doubt but has not hit anyone inside the top 20 yet. I am anxious to see what he can do with those top tier guys. He could definitely AA this year especially with 165 being down vs the last couple of years. To think in 2019 the 8th best wrestler was Logan Massa.
Another WI wrestler to watch is Stephen Buchanan. He is on a terror. Two wins over Noah Adams is no joke. Have to like his chances at the podium.
I think you need to be careful in calling Barnett an AWA guy.................. spent very little time with him if any
Quote from: Armdrag on February 17, 2021, 10:11:24 AM
We are on the same page. I think Barnett would have a better shot at this point than Mocco so I thought maybe EB was the 3rd. Keckeisen (3 top 16) and Barnett have the best wins of the 4 so far. O'Toole is a legit stud no doubt but has not hit anyone inside the top 20 yet. I am anxious to see what he can do with those top tier guys. He could definitely AA this year especially with 165 being down vs the last couple of years. To think in 2019 the 8th best wrestler was Logan Massa.
Another WI wrestler to watch is Stephen Buchanan. He is on a terror. Two wins over Noah Adams is no joke. Have to like his chances at the podium.
I think you need to be careful in calling Barnett an AWA guy.................. spent very little time with him if any
Completely my mistake. I thought that had previously been referenced on the forum. I am no longer coaching so I really do not know who is training with each club unless I see something on track, it is referenced here or see them in a singlet in a video of a match. I also hear Askren talk about him on Flo which led me to believe he was one of his guys. Again my mistake and my apologies.
No need to apologize..........a lot of people think he spent significant time at AWA...........I can tell you he spent a lot more time at other clubs that help to make him the wrestler and young man that he is.......Of course Ben is going to claim him........
Quote from: Armdrag on February 17, 2021, 11:04:49 AM
No need to apologize..........a lot of people think he spent significant time at AWA...........I can tell you he spent a lot more time at other clubs that help to make him the wrestler and young man that he is.......Of course Ben is going to claim him........
Ben never claimed Barnett, he just thinks he is talented. On Flo, one of his co-hosts stated Barnett was an AWA guy and Ben corrected them and said that he could not take credit for Barnett.
"Did anyone think that two alpha males like Coach Bono and Ben Askren"........
Alpha males get along throughout the world every day Ghetto.
Respectfully, MnBadger
Quote from: vsmf2010 on February 16, 2021, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: mkm13 on February 16, 2021, 01:32:52 PM
I am guessing he is talking about O'Toole, Keckeisen, and Mocco. Might be a little early to put Mocco into that category despite being undefeated this year as his best win is against the #26th ranked guy on wrestleastat who is 6-4 this year.
We are on the same page. I think Barnett would have a better shot at this point than Mocco so I thought maybe EB was the 3rd. Keckeisen (3 top 16) and Barnett have the best wins of the 4 so far. O'Toole is a legit stud no doubt but has not hit anyone inside the top 20 yet. I am anxious to see what he can do with those top tier guys. He could definitely AA this year especially with 165 being down vs the last couple of years. To think in 2019 the 8th best wrestler was Logan Massa.
Another WI wrestler to watch is Stephen Buchanan. He is on a terror. Two wins over Noah Adams is no joke. Have to like his chances at the podium.
Definitely forgot about Buchannen. He has improved a ton since High School.
Quote from: dman on February 17, 2021, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: Ghetto on February 17, 2021, 08:30:31 AM
I would hope that AWA would push towards Wisconsin when the kid fit the program. The style of AWA isn't Bono's style, so it's going to be rare when the fit is right.
Curious...what is different about AWA's "style" from Bono's "style"?? Technique? Philosophy?
Just my interpretation, but I think the techniques are a bit different.
Quote from: Ghetto on February 17, 2021, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: dman on February 17, 2021, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: Ghetto on February 17, 2021, 08:30:31 AM
I would hope that AWA would push towards Wisconsin when the kid fit the program. The style of AWA isn't Bono's style, so it's going to be rare when the fit is right.
Curious...what is different about AWA's "style" from Bono's "style"?? Technique? Philosophy?
Just my interpretation, but I think the techniques are a bit different.
Gotcha. I have no idea about this...but would be curious if coaches recruit based on style?
I would agree that Ben's ego is a big part of the problem. I also believe that any club that claims kids and credit for championships is disrespectful to high school and youth coaches in the community they come from..that is a another discussion.
How is Bono doing with building relationships in the state with coaches and other clubs?
Quote from: wrestler_73 on February 18, 2021, 08:10:39 AM
I would agree that Ben's ego is a big part of the problem. I also believe that any club that claims kids and credit for championships is disrespectful to high school and youth coaches in the community they come from..that is a another discussion.
How is Bono doing with building relationships in the state with coaches and other clubs?
You know the high school and local youth programs can highlight wrestler accomplishments as well. Many local wrestling programs are not really into social media (much less multiple media platforms).
Could be much better at promoting wrestling at many levels. Maybe this should be a topic at the next Coaches Association gathering.
Quote from: wrestler_73 on February 18, 2021, 08:10:39 AM
I would agree that Ben's ego is a big part of the problem. I also believe that any club that claims kids and credit for championships is disrespectful to high school and youth coaches in the community they come from..that is a another discussion.
How is Bono doing with building relationships in the state with coaches and other clubs?
sounds like you feel slighted by some club coaches! What clubs or coaches took credit for your success? Did you really contribute to the success or the kid just happened to live in your district?
I've heard through the grapevine that Bono is struggling with most club coaches and a lot of high school coaches. These issues extend outside the state borders as well.
Wow! A person with 33 posts is calling a person with 8 posts a feckless pot stirrer. I didn't go back and look at all 8 posts but man that seems harsh. You want to see some pot stirrers, go up in to the old covid rant section.
On the flip side, I wish I could come up with a witty Uecker come back to Gizmo's question "What clubs or coaches took credit for your success?" Personally meaning, I couldn't pay a coach to take credit for my "success"
And while I'm at it, Tom, why is a Wisconsin forum telling me I have Uecker spelled wrong and suggesting Hecker Becker or Secker? (I did have to verify that spelling several times ;D )
That's it. Hope everyone has a good evening. Good luck to all the teams competing this weekend.
Gizmo- I have seen dozens of coaches at the RTC golf outing and UW matches. Bus loads of kids.
He has kids from Stoughton and Arrowhead two of the teams with immense talent year in and out on the team.
Recruiting is difficult especially with Covid, as you only have so much to give and now are doubling up recruiting classes. Certain weights are more desirable at different years.
Quote from: Narwhal on February 18, 2021, 03:54:46 PM
Gizmo, Give some examples. Site sources for your baloney. I think you are making it up. You just stir the pot and I find you to be feckless. What's your beef? You and W73 both need to site your sources. You're not some media in court.
Maybe you should get out there and do the job. You seem to know all the questions. How about the answers?
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910
I maybe feckless but I'd like you to get to know me a little better before you say such a thing! I bet you throw out the man in the arena every chance you get! I can only imagine how you overuse it.
If UW starts winning against the upper tier of the Big Ten, the wrestlers will want to come. His problem right now is the same as any other coach, how does he build the program into a top tier program. Can he do it without the support of some of the elite clubs and high schools around him? Maybe. Will it be easier if he has a good relationship with these clubs and high schools? You bet.
Count me as one of the disappointed fans who was expecting great things when UW hired Bono and then Askren started working with the RTC. It is really unfortunate to see that relationship deteriorate regardless of how it happened, what caused it, or who caused it. I really thought UW was positioned to take the next step. I am rooting for the Badgers either way and I am also rooting for the elite clubs and high schools to produce more high quality wrestlers.
I think next year can be the defining year in the UW program. If Wick comes back and the new recruits produce, UW will be a very competitive team. Unfortunately, this is the same thing we were hoping for with Barry Davis leading the program. This year seems to have been a step in the wrong direction.
When I look at Penn State and Iowa, they are recruiting the best of the best from across the nation. It is very hard to catch those types of programs just by trying to out work and out condition them. UW needs to find a way to consistently recruit these elite athletes inside and outside of Wisconsin to produce the results everyone is hoping for.
Quote from: Harris on February 19, 2021, 12:15:19 PM
If UW starts winning against the upper tier of the Big Ten, the wrestlers will want to come. His problem right now is the same as any other coach, how does he build the program into a top tier program. Can he do it without the support of some of the elite clubs and high schools around him? Maybe. Will it be easier if he has a good relationship with these clubs and high schools? You bet.
Count me as one of the disappointed fans who was expecting great things when UW hired Bono and then Askren started working with the RTC. It is really unfortunate to see that relationship deteriorate regardless of how it happened, what caused it, or who caused it. I really thought UW was positioned to take the next step. I am rooting for the Badgers either way and I am also rooting for the elite clubs and high schools to produce more high quality wrestlers.
I think next year can be the defining year in the UW program. If Wick comes back and the new recruits produce, UW will be a very competitive team. Unfortunately, this is the same thing we were hoping for with Barry Davis leading the program. This year seems to have been a step in the wrong direction.
When I look at Penn State and Iowa, they are recruiting the best of the best from across the nation. It is very hard to catch those types of programs just by trying to out work and out condition them. UW needs to find a way to consistently recruit these elite athletes inside and outside of Wisconsin to produce the results everyone is hoping for.
I agree with the disappointment thought with Bono and Reader coaching at Ben at the RTC we would be able to jump quickly. I agree it doesn't really matter who, what, or how it happened it isn't good for our state or the program.
I will push back a little on the Barry Davis next year idea. I think this is a weird year obviously with COVID and guys lost an opportunity to compete at NCAAs last year. I also think some guys looked at the possibility of starting the season and having it shut down again so decided to grayshirt/olympic. If you add Wick to this lineup it is very competitive and looking at possible AAs in Wick, Weiler, Hillger with guys like Barnett, Model, and Krattiger who have made big jumps since last year and are ranked.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 19, 2021, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: Harris on February 19, 2021, 12:15:19 PM
If UW starts winning against the upper tier of the Big Ten, the wrestlers will want to come. His problem right now is the same as any other coach, how does he build the program into a top tier program. Can he do it without the support of some of the elite clubs and high schools around him? Maybe. Will it be easier if he has a good relationship with these clubs and high schools? You bet.
Count me as one of the disappointed fans who was expecting great things when UW hired Bono and then Askren started working with the RTC. It is really unfortunate to see that relationship deteriorate regardless of how it happened, what caused it, or who caused it. I really thought UW was positioned to take the next step. I am rooting for the Badgers either way and I am also rooting for the elite clubs and high schools to produce more high quality wrestlers.
I think next year can be the defining year in the UW program. If Wick comes back and the new recruits produce, UW will be a very competitive team. Unfortunately, this is the same thing we were hoping for with Barry Davis leading the program. This year seems to have been a step in the wrong direction.
When I look at Penn State and Iowa, they are recruiting the best of the best from across the nation. It is very hard to catch those types of programs just by trying to out work and out condition them. UW needs to find a way to consistently recruit these elite athletes inside and outside of Wisconsin to produce the results everyone is hoping for.
I agree with the disappointment thought with Bono and Reader coaching at Ben at the RTC we would be able to jump quickly. I agree it doesn't really matter who, what, or how it happened it isn't good for our state or the program.
I will push back a little on the Barry Davis next year idea. I think this is a weird year obviously with COVID and guys lost an opportunity to compete at NCAAs last year. I also think some guys looked at the possibility of starting the season and having it shut down again so decided to grayshirt/olympic. If you add Wick to this lineup it is very competitive and looking at possible AAs in Wick, Weiler, Hillger with guys like Barnett, Model, and Krattiger who have made big jumps since last year and are ranked.
Totally agree
Quote from: thedecider on February 19, 2021, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on February 15, 2021, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: The Twisted Moose on February 15, 2021, 04:54:52 PM
Looking for some input on a topic that some of us have been kicking around the last couple of weeks...
Does the head wrestling coach at UW need to have a positive relationship with Ben Askren and AWA(this includes Max and the other coaches) in order to have success? Particularly in regards to in-state recruiting and successful, well attended summer camps.
Another take on this is why can't the head of AWA have a good relationship with multiple UW coaches?
Does the head coach at AWA need to have a positive relationship with Chris Bono and UW (this includes Jon Reader and Seth Gross) in order to get his kids the most scholarship opportunities and assure they can wrestle close to home if they so choose?
Quit simping for Bono.
Cool slang Bro, aren't you hip!
Quote from: Narwhal on February 18, 2021, 03:54:46 PM
Gizmo, Give some examples. Site sources for your baloney. I think you are making it up. You just stir the pot and I find you to be feckless. What's your beef? You and W73 both need to site your sources. You're not some media in court.
Maybe you should get out there and do the job. You seem to know all the questions. How about the answers?
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910
FYI...Wrestle_73 and I worked it out. She's not mad at me at all.
Wow Narwal..you are pretty fragile it seems. The reaction to questions about the program and the clear breakdown between the program and the #1 club in the state is clear. Their is a lot of speculation and interest without clear facts when it comes to basketball and football...yet we are just supposed to follow like a religion with wrestling?
I think we should be a bit concerned about the direction of the UW Wrestling program. Especially after a very promising start. I am hopeful things get better.
And...Gizmo.....I believe was a 98 pounder in the day. Enough said.
Bono's number one job at UW is to get UW to compete at a high level. It would obviously be easiest if the UW coaches had a great relationship with all local clubs/coaches AND those local clubs/coaches produced the talent UW needs to compete at a high level. I wish it meant more, but as long as Bono can recruit well nationally it probably matters less than people think.
College wrestling is very unique at the highest level. Almost all top programs recruit nationally and rely on in state a small amount. Very different from UW football for example. There is only 9.9 scholarship for 10 weights. Based on the current roster make up and current holes in the lineup, top teams have to look nationally to get the guys you want. If we have a hole at 125 and minimal scholarship money, we cant throw that money at a good local 165 pounder if we are already invested there. From what i understand, Bono has not given out scholarships to in state wrestlers at the same level the previous coaching staff did. Is that the right thing to do? At this point it is hard to argue against it based on the previous results of high school wrestlers from WI. Wrestlers who have went on to AA in college or produce significant points at NCAAs have been very few and far between. Hopefully that will change at a consistent level.
Unfortunately, if the state only produces 5 to 10 NCAA points each year, you cant spend a lot of your time trying to build a wall around it.
"Ben may very well outlast Bono and company and if history is an indicator, Ben will have an issue and not a great relationship with whomever the next head coach is too."
Bridges have been burned. Just because you wrestled for a guy doesn't mean you will remain loyal. Loyalty is a two way street. Having talked to several club coaches across this state. I am not sure it's just AWA that UW needs to be concerned about.
Bono's number one job at UW is to get UW to compete at a high level. It would obviously be easiest if the UW coaches had a great relationship with all local clubs/coaches AND those local clubs/coaches produced the talent UW needs to compete at a high level. I wish it meant more, but as long as Bono can recruit well nationally it probably matters less than people think.
"From what i understand, Bono has not given out scholarships to in state wrestlers at the same level the previous coaching staff did. Is that the right thing to do? At this point it is hard to argue against it based on the previous results of high school wrestlers from WI. Wrestlers who have went on to AA in college or produce significant points at NCAAs have been very few and far between. Hopefully that will change at a consistent level."
I agree with the disappointment thought with Bono and Reader coaching at Ben at the RTC we would be able to jump quickly. I agree it doesn't really matter who, what, or how it happened it isn't good for our state or the program.
(Sigh)When you have to keep repeating yourself stating that UW's wrestling challenges will not go away until we find a coach who steps ups and deals with them, let's just say you don't feel vindicated, just frustrated.
"Get rid Barry and everything will get better!" Yes that's what practically everyone said. Now does it sink in that's not the case? Coaches and club managers complaining UW is not signing enough in-state kids or taking in walk-ons? I just got off another thread complaining about this. Here's the crux of the problem that's been there since the early 1990s: If Wisconsin is limited to how many kids it can bring into the wrestling room (you know, the one which has pillars in it!) then you can't just sweep in a whole bunch of in-state kids as walk-ons or roster fillers. If the coaching staff is forced to be selective both in terms of roster size and academics, then they need to be given the space and opportunity to bring in the athletes they feel fit the program best they wish to develop and then judge the results. So far, me personally I'm not impressed but the staff does deserve the time to fashion the program as it feels is the best to be successful. Again, the results will speak for themselves.
Would it be easier if the UW head coach got along with all the coaches at the junior levels across the state. Absolutely! As we saw with BD, their attitudes toward him did not help the situation and given BD's credentials I thought rather disgraceful on their part. I've seen this with other college sports too many times. You have to court them, butt-kissing as you may think it may well be. Because they can be your worst enemies and you don't want that. Because if there is an athlete in state you may want, they'll make it very hard for you to recruit that athlete. If Bono's pissed off these coaches already after three seasons, what's his excuse? Was it really worth dicking around McDonough on his job status? People remember things like that! You cut-off your in-state nose just remember, it means recruiting more kids out of state who will demand full rides which take up a limited number of scholarships and fewer wrestlers behind them in case something happens. It's telling that most of UW's best wrestlers since the Rein-era have come from out of state but not surprising given the attitudes involved on both sides. BD was hurt by the same problems and Bono had a chance to fix it. That he hasn't
and may have well made things worse from what people are saying is quite disturbing. Only a strong in-state high school and club scene feeding UW both great and good wrestlers connecting the state and program will work over the long-term.
That being said, it doesn't help the situation when one of those club leaders may well be very prominent but has the maturity level of a child, a child prone to mean streaks and vendettas. Twitter-attacking a kids tournament? Come on! Don't you have better things to do with your time? What's wrong with using social media to promote instead of tear down? It would be difficult for any collegiate coach to deal with a person like this and you can't please everyone. If I was coaching I would simply to the heads of AWA: "We would love to have AWA kids attend UW. We promise to take care of them, make sure to give them an education and provide the best instruction and competition than anyplace else. But we will not bend over backward for them. What they get out of UW wrestling they will earn and pay forward. And deep down you wouldn't want it any other way. We may not agree on everything but at least we will earn your respect and that's all we ask for and will give back in return." There, is that so hard? Sheesh what a sandbox!
So again, we're back in a whole "next year" situation. I agree its different than before because of the pandemic but in a way it isn't because we're putting a lot of expectations on newcomers being as good as we think and hope and experience wrestlers getting better and everyone not getting hurt. I hope that's the case but just remember this, nobody, at least out of the elite of the B1G or the country is standing pat either waiting for UW to finally emerge again in collegiate wrestling. It's up to the coaching staff to take that potential and turn it into success. We'll see if they can do it.
The success or lack of success is not on any state wrestling club. Nor is it on any owner/operator of a club.
Wrestling(and any other college sports is based on recruiting, pure and simple).
As far as in state recruiting....I just quickly looked at three websites for 20-21:
PSU: 34 on roster, 14 from Pennsylvania.
U of Minnesota: 32 on roster, 14 from Minnesota.
U of Iowa: 32 on roster, 10 from Iowa.
U of Wisconsin: 24 on roster, 17 from Wisconsin.
The issue might be that there are too many recruited from Wisconsin. I am not saying this to be a jerk.
Someone mentioned that UW limits the roster. Is it limited to 24? Compared to PSU(34), U of M(32), U of Iowa(32) this is pathetic, in fact in my opinion, impossible to compete with.
Were I qualified, I would never take this job on if what it looks like is the case.
Is there someone out there with knowledge of this?
The short answer to your question "Is Wisconsin limited to a roster size of 24"? No they are not.
Quote from: MNbadger on February 21, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
The success or lack of success is not on any state wrestling club. Nor is it on any owner/operator of a club.
Wrestling(and any other college sports is based on recruiting, pure and simple).
As far as in state recruiting....I just quickly looked at three websites for 20-21:
PSU: 34 on roster, 14 from Pennsylvania.
U of Minnesota: 32 on roster, 14 from Minnesota.
U of Iowa: 32 on roster, 10 from Iowa.
U of Wisconsin: 24 on roster, 17 from Wisconsin.
The issue might be that there are too many recruited from Wisconsin. I am not saying this to be a jerk.
Someone mentioned that UW limits the roster. Is it limited to 24? Compared to PSU(34), U of M(32), U of Iowa(32) this is pathetic, in fact in my opinion, impossible to compete with.
Were I qualified, I would never take this job on if what it looks like is the case.
Is there someone out there with knowledge of this?
WI is limited, I recall 30-32. Lower this year likely due to Covid.
It's all title nine based. It changes yearly. But typically never falls below 30 for a school such as Wisconsin.
Quote from: The Legend on February 21, 2021, 07:23:51 PM
It's all title nine based. It changes yearly. But typically never falls below 30 for a school such as Wisconsin.
I was under the impression that the specifics of the application to any given sport were decided by each respective school. That is, Title IX laid out specific mandates and it was up to each school how to meet those parameters. For example, a given school could "short" the men's track team and inflate the wrestling team's numbers, or vice versa, Thus, some schools have bigger wrestling teams while others might have a relatively large track squad - but the overall number of male participants was the basis for assessment of compliance. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong on this understanding.
Quote from: npope on February 21, 2021, 07:45:45 PM
Quote from: The Legend on February 21, 2021, 07:23:51 PM
It's all title nine based. It changes yearly. But typically never falls below 30 for a school such as Wisconsin.
I was under the impression that the specifics of the application to any given sport were decided by each respective school. That is, Title IX laid out specific mandates and it was up to each school how to meet those parameters. For example, a given school could "short" the men's track team and inflate the wrestling team's numbers, or vice versa, Thus, some schools have bigger wrestling teams while others might have a relatively large track squad - but the overall number of male participants was the basis for assessment of compliance. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong on this understanding.
UW Is school specific in regards to roster size. The restrictions on size are imposed by UW not NCAA.
I know it used to be that way. Not sure that is still true. It still is based off title nine and I believe the number of incoming female students? It's been a bit.
Quote from: The Legend on February 21, 2021, 09:40:24 PM
I know it used to be that way. Not sure that is still true. It still is based off title nine and I believe the number of incoming female students? It's been a bit.
There were restrictions put in place for wrestling that date back to the 1992? Infractions. Long memories at UW I guess. It doesn't move up or down based on enrollment that I'm aware of, rather a set #.
Quote from: MNbadger on February 21, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
The success or lack of success is not on any state wrestling club. Nor is it on any owner/operator of a club.
Wrestling(and any other college sports is based on recruiting, pure and simple).
As far as in state recruiting....I just quickly looked at three websites for 20-21:
PSU: 34 on roster, 14 from Pennsylvania.
U of Minnesota: 32 on roster, 14 from Minnesota.
U of Iowa: 32 on roster, 10 from Iowa.
U of Wisconsin: 24 on roster, 17 from Wisconsin.
The issue might be that there are too many recruited from Wisconsin. I am not saying this to be a jerk.
Someone mentioned that UW limits the roster. Is it limited to 24? Compared to PSU(34), U of M(32), U of Iowa(32) this is pathetic, in fact in my opinion, impossible to compete with.
Were I qualified, I would never take this job on if what it looks like is the case.
Is there someone out there with knowledge of this?
Every scholarship has value. I would be curious to see a breakdown for UW over the years of scholarship used per points at NCAAs for in state and out of state athletes. Unfortunately, I feel like the out of state scholarships have likely been more valuable in terms of success than in state.
I understand that out of state talent will lead to greater overall success. I am hopeful they can do a better job of bringing in the ones that will score points for them at the NCAA tournament. Since the late 90's the Badgers have lost way more points going out of state than staying in state. Their connection to club and HS coaches is important and I am hopeful it is getting stronger.
Quote from: mkm13 on February 22, 2021, 08:50:45 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 21, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
The success or lack of success is not on any state wrestling club. Nor is it on any owner/operator of a club.
Wrestling(and any other college sports is based on recruiting, pure and simple).
As far as in state recruiting....I just quickly looked at three websites for 20-21:
PSU: 34 on roster, 14 from Pennsylvania.
U of Minnesota: 32 on roster, 14 from Minnesota.
U of Iowa: 32 on roster, 10 from Iowa.
U of Wisconsin: 24 on roster, 17 from Wisconsin.
The issue might be that there are too many recruited from Wisconsin. I am not saying this to be a jerk.
Someone mentioned that UW limits the roster. Is it limited to 24? Compared to PSU(34), U of M(32), U of Iowa(32) this is pathetic, in fact in my opinion, impossible to compete with.
Were I qualified, I would never take this job on if what it looks like is the case.
Is there someone out there with knowledge of this?
Every scholarship has value. I would be curious to see a breakdown for UW over the years of scholarship used per points at NCAAs for in state and out of state athletes. Unfortunately, I feel like the out of state scholarships have likely been more valuable in terms of success than in state.
I would guess out of state have easily scored over 75% of NCAA points. Pritzlaff, Ruschell, Howe, Medberry, Graff, I. Jordan, Wick, Hillger.
I think Brandvold and Craig Henning might be the only Wisconsin kids to multiple AA as a Badger in 20 years.
Quote from: Numbers on February 23, 2021, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: mkm13 on February 22, 2021, 08:50:45 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 21, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
The success or lack of success is not on any state wrestling club. Nor is it on any owner/operator of a club.
Wrestling(and any other college sports is based on recruiting, pure and simple).
As far as in state recruiting....I just quickly looked at three websites for 20-21:
PSU: 34 on roster, 14 from Pennsylvania.
U of Minnesota: 32 on roster, 14 from Minnesota.
U of Iowa: 32 on roster, 10 from Iowa.
U of Wisconsin: 24 on roster, 17 from Wisconsin.
The issue might be that there are too many recruited from Wisconsin. I am not saying this to be a jerk.
Someone mentioned that UW limits the roster. Is it limited to 24? Compared to PSU(34), U of M(32), U of Iowa(32) this is pathetic, in fact in my opinion, impossible to compete with.
Were I qualified, I would never take this job on if what it looks like is the case.
Is there someone out there with knowledge of this?
Every scholarship has value. I would be curious to see a breakdown for UW over the years of scholarship used per points at NCAAs for in state and out of state athletes. Unfortunately, I feel like the out of state scholarships have likely been more valuable in terms of success than in state.
I would guess out of state have easily scored over 75% of NCAA points. Pritzlaff, Ruschell, Howe, Medberry, Graff, I. Jordan, Wick, Hillger.
I think Brandvold and Craig Henning might be the only Wisconsin kids to multiple AA as a Badger in 20 years.
Yes brandvold and Henning are multi aa.
Herbst
Black
Black
Turner
All 1 time as sominnthe past 20 years Wisconsin has had 8 AA that are home grown.
Ohio kids on Wisconsin team
Jordan
Jordan
Taylor
Mn kids on Wisconsin team that aa
Rutt
Massey's
Flarethy
Colorado kids on Wisconsin teams that aa
Medbury
Graff
Clum
This since 2002
This is going to sound really boastful and bragging some what.
What does Henning, Brandvold, Tyler, Black and black all have that is very unique?
They all basically grew up and went to school with in less than a hour of each other. Kind of impressive and 4 of them with in 20 minutes and in the same county!
Cool "stat" man. Love stuff like that. Kinds of a rebuke of the "best wrestlers are on the 90-94 corridor" that Ben A said, I believe.
Quote from: bigG on February 24, 2021, 07:08:03 AM
Cool "stat" man. Love stuff like that. Kinds of a rebuke of the "best wrestlers are on the 90-94 corridor" that Ben A said, I believe.
I thought these guys were close to I-94?
Quote from: Numbers on February 24, 2021, 08:01:09 AM
Quote from: bigG on February 24, 2021, 07:08:03 AM
Cool "stat" man. Love stuff like that. Kinds of a rebuke of the "best wrestlers are on the 90-94 corridor" that Ben A said, I believe.
I thought these guys were close to I-94?
Yes they were. Probably all with in 20 minutes of an on ramp to 94
90-94 runs from lacrosse to Madison . It is common that even if your just on 94 that people call it the 90-94 corridor.
I should have said 94 sans 90. Hmm. Didn't know RF was that closer to 94. learn sumfin knew everyday.
Quote from: bigG on February 24, 2021, 10:45:42 AM
I should have said 94 sans 90. Hmm. Didn't know RF was that closer to 94. learn sumfin knew everyday.
River falls high school is maybe 15 minutes south of Hudson
Quote from: shakerag on February 24, 2021, 12:50:46 PM
River falls high school is maybe 15 minutes south of Hudson
More like Crudson!
Play nice... ;)
Quote from: shakerag on February 24, 2021, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on February 24, 2021, 10:58:30 AM
Quote from: bigG on February 24, 2021, 10:45:42 AM
I should have said 94 sans 90. Hmm. Didn't know RF was that closer to 94. learn sumfin knew everyday.
River falls high school is maybe 15 minutes south of Hudson
More like Crudson!
Havent heard that in years ;D ;D