Early start to the Minnesota-Wisconsin dual on Friday!
https://www.wiwrestling.com/badger-midseason-report-gopher-wildcat-preview/
9 Minnesota wrestlers are ranked among their starters:
125 – #8 Patrick McKee (SO)
133 – #22 Boo Dryden (SR) or Jack Gliva (SO)
141 – Marcos Polanco (FR) or Brent Jones (JR)
149 – #26 Michael Blockhus (SO) or Jake Bergeland (JR)
157 – #6 Brayton Lee (SO)
165 – #16 Andrew Sparks (FR)
174 – #15 Jake Allar (JR) or Bailee O'Reilly (JR) (165/174)
184 – #11 Owen Webster (SR)
197 – #31 Garret Joles (SO) or Dylan Anderson (SR)
285 – #1 Gable Steveson (JR) or Keaton Kluever (SO)
The Badgers projected starters include 6 ranked wrestlers:
125 – #20 Eric Barnett (SO) or Ethan Rotondo (JR)
133 – Kyle Burwick (FR)
141 – Dom Dentino (SO) or Trey Escobar (FR)
149 – #29 Drew Scharenbrock (SO) or Dan Stilling (SO)
157 – #22 Garrett Model (JR) or Devin Bahr (JR)
165 – Josh Otto (FR) or Patrick Spray (SR)
174 – #19 Jared Krattiger (SO)
184 – #6 Chris Weiler (SR)
197 – Andrew Salemme (SO)
285 – #8 Trent Hillger (JR) or Peter Christensen (SO)
Well, dare I say it first? This is a particularly tough match-up for the Badgers. Where the Badgers have any strength, it comes up against a Gopher who has some significant credentials over shadowing the Badger wrestler. For Bucky to make this one even remotely close it will have to have its "journey men" step up and pull off a couple of upsets. Hope they are high for this one - gonna need it.
A great chance of the non-ranked Badgers to "put a feather in their respective caps." Hoping for a surprise here.
Friday's match starts at 10 a.m. CT, while Sunday's match is scheduled for 2 p.m. Both matches will be streamed live on BTN+ (subscription required).
Minnesota - https://www.btnplus.com/game/minnesota-at-wisconsin-on-02122021?tid=28
Northwestern - https://www.btnplus.com/game/wisconsin-at-northwestern-on-02142021?tid=28
Extra matches will also occur for both duals. More information on extras will be shared day of the duals.
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DETAILS
https://uwbadgers.com/news/2021/2/11/wrestling-five-things-to-know-9-minnesota-and-northwestern.aspx
https://gophersports.com/news/2021/2/10/wrestling-gophers-badgers-to-meet-in-friday-morning-matchup.aspx
Barnett 17 McKee 4
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on February 12, 2021, 10:14:36 AM
Barnett 17 McKee 4
Barnett!!
Wish it was on Flo so I could watch it while I work. Well. Maybe work while I watch. Whatever.
Dryden 4 Burwick 2
Polanco 4 Dentino 0
Blockhus 13 Scharenbrock 8
Barnett dominated McKee. I think McKee had the first TD and it was all Barnett from there. He gave up a reversal with :04 left in the match otherwise he would have had the TF.
Lee 11 Model 7
Barnett crushed it on top!!!!!
Sparks 7 Otto 5
Otto wrestled well just came up short...
Krattiger 5 Allar 3
Great wins by Barnett and Krattiger.
Webster 5 Dow 1
Joles 9 Salemme 4
Christensen at Heavyweight...
Steveson beats Christensen by fall 3:20
Minnesota 27-7 ...
I thought duck season closed on December 6th?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Great match by Barnett and really tough wrestling by Krattiger. Would have been awesome to get 1 or 2 more win out of Burwick, Dentino, Scharenbrock Dow or Otto. They were close. Much better wrestling from the team than what we saw vs PSU.
Minnesota has a nice team and is headed in the right direction.
Barnett is peaking and Kratty has improved a ton. Model could not handle how physical Brayton Lee is. I wanted to see Weiler vs Webster. Would have been a good measuring stick for Weiler to see where he is at. Is Hilliger hurt?
No. 10 Gophers Take Down No. 20 Wisconsin, 27-7, in Madison
https://gophersports.com/news/2021/2/12/wrestling-no-10-gophers-take-down-no-20-wisconsin-27-7-in-madison.aspx
Quote from: crossface21 on February 12, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
Great match by Barnett and really tough wrestling by Krattiger. Would have been awesome to get 1 or 2 more win out of Burwick, Dentino, Scharenbrock Dow or Otto. They were close. Much better wrestling from the team than what we saw vs PSU.
MN isn't Penn St. That's for sure, and we were only close at #165 losing by 2. MN is quite a ways ahead of us.
Quote from: Napoleon Dynamite on February 12, 2021, 06:30:54 PM
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Quote from: crossface21 on February 12, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
Great match by Barnett and really tough wrestling by Krattiger. Would have been awesome to get 1 or 2 more win out of Burwick, Dentino, Scharenbrock Dow or Otto. They were close. Much better wrestling from the team than what we saw vs PSU.
MN isn't Penn St. That's for sure, and we were only close at #165 losing by 2. MN is quite a ways ahead of us.
Are you on peyote? Burwick lost by 2, Dentino by 4, Scharenbrock by 5, Model by 4, Otto by 2, Dow by 4 and Salemme was down 1 after two.
LOL exactly.... some people....
Quote from: Napoleon Dynamite on February 12, 2021, 06:30:54 PM
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Quote from: crossface21 on February 12, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
Great match by Barnett and really tough wrestling by Krattiger. Would have been awesome to get 1 or 2 more win out of Burwick, Dentino, Scharenbrock Dow or Otto. They were close. Much better wrestling from the team than what we saw vs PSU.
MN isn't Penn St. That's for sure, and we were only close at #165 losing by 2. MN is quite a ways ahead of us.
Are you on peyote? Burwick lost by 2, Dentino by 4, Scharenbrock by 5, Model by 4, Otto by 2, Dow by 4 and Salemme was down 1 after two.
Sorry, no, I don't use drugs. In big 10 wrestling losing by 3,4,5,6 points isn't close. And in some matches, 2points is a mile. Be realistic. We aren't close to MN other than geographical. They also were dominant in the extra matches.
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Quote from: Handles II on February 12, 2021, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Napoleon Dynamite on February 12, 2021, 06:30:54 PM
Quote from: Handles II on February 12, 2021, 05:50:43 PM
Quote from: crossface21 on February 12, 2021, 11:45:03 AM
Great match by Barnett and really tough wrestling by Krattiger. Would have been awesome to get 1 or 2 more win out of Burwick, Dentino, Scharenbrock Dow or Otto. They were close. Much better wrestling from the team than what we saw vs PSU.
MN isn't Penn St. That's for sure, and we were only close at #165 losing by 2. MN is quite a ways ahead of us.
Are you on peyote? Burwick lost by 2, Dentino by 4, Scharenbrock by 5, Model by 4, Otto by 2, Dow by 4 and Salemme was down 1 after two.
Sorry, no, I don't use drugs. In big 10 wrestling losing by 3,4,5,6 points isn't close. And in some matches, 2points is a mile. Be realistic. We aren't close to MN other than geographical. They also were dominant in the extra matches.
Minnesota may not be PSU, but they are still a Top 10 team. UW looked more aggressive and scored some points today compared to the PSU meet. This looked more like the team that wrestled vs Nebraska. Against PSU they looked flat. If they had looked the same today I would had have some concerns. UW isn't on Minny's level obviously, but they didn't roll over. I don't know if the gap is as far as you many think it is as a program.
I don't believe the Badgers pull off a 20 point swing. It would be closer, but Gophers still get the Big10 win.
Quote from: MNbadger on February 12, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
None of them wrestled, and only Thor is currently wrestling. We are talking about the actual team, not a what-if team.
None of those match ups are a given going the Badger's way. There is almost zero chance that all four matches go the way you say on the same day.
Likely Wick beats Sparks but no way by more than a three point decision. Sparks could easily upset him. He beat Robb in his first match and he is a top level wrestler.
I am not a huge Webster fan but this year he has looked very good so at best that one is a toss up. I would bet on Webster in this one.
Amos likely beats Joles but again with his experience it would be a three pointer. I don't see Amos winning by more.
And yes, in a dual this year, Steveson pins Thor. Not likely in a tournament as there is less incentive there.
It would be closer but still goes to the Gophers.
Bono isn't stupid. There is a reason he did not put Weiler and Hilger out there. Those two would be virtually the same individual results.
And lastly, the Gophers are not a great #10 team. We feel like we did not wrestle well against Wisconsin(coaches will say what they have to say). Us fans are expecting much more.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 06:14:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 12, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 08:21:36 AM
None of those match ups are a given going the Badger's way. There is almost zero chance that all four matches go the way you say on the same day.
Likely Wick beats Sparks but no way by more than a three point decision. Sparks could easily upset him. He beat Robb in his first match and he is a top level wrestler.
I am not a huge Webster fan but this year he has looked very good so at best that one is a toss up. I would bet on Webster in this one.
Amos likely beats Jokes but again with his experience it would be a three pointer. I don't see Amos winning by more.
And yes, in a dual this year, Steveson pins Thor. Not likely in a tournament as there is less incentive there.
It would be closer but still goes to the Gophers.
Bono isn't stupid. There is a reason he did not put Weiler and Hilger out there. Those two would be virtually the same individual results.
And lastly, the Gophers are not a great #10 team. We feel like we did not wrestle well against Wisconsin(coaches will say what they have to say). Us fans are expecting much more.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 06:14:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 12, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
Sparks could pull the upset on 2 time all american Wick?? I like Sparks but seriously...because he beat Robb?? This has to be one of the most biased post I have seen in a long time. But have to admire your conviction and how you truly believe what you wrote.
MN is clearly on a different level this year with the team the Badger's are fielding, but this year sucks anyway so it is what it is.
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 08:21:36 AM
None of those match ups are a given going the Badger's way. There is almost zero chance that all four matches go the way you say on the same day.
Likely Wick beats Sparks but no way by more than a three point decision. Sparks could easily upset him. He beat Robb in his first match and he is a top level wrestler.
I am not a huge Webster fan but this year he has looked very good so at best that one is a toss up. I would bet on Webster in this one.
Amos likely beats Jokes but again with his experience it would be a three pointer. I don't see Amos winning by more.
And yes, in a dual this year, Steveson pins Thor. Not likely in a tournament as there is less incentive there.
It would be closer but still goes to the Gophers.
Bono isn't stupid. There is a reason he did not put Weiler and Hilger out there. Those two would be virtually the same individual results.
And lastly, the Gophers are not a great #10 team. We feel like we did not wrestle well against Wisconsin(coaches will say what they have to say). Us fans are expecting much more.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 06:14:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 12, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
LOL he barely beat Josh Otto who has a bright future but isn't even close to Wicks level. Robb was a 157 last year and now he is a top tier 165? Lol You show your intelligence level in this post. Sparks upsetting Wick lol. Weiler who beat Webster by 6 now loses. Hillger who has wrestled Gables 3x, given up takedowns and escapes, and lost by decision twice is now going to get pinned. Lol
I never said all four things would happen in the Gopher's favor. You indicated that all four would happen in the Badger's favor. This is incredibly unlikely to happen and if id didn't the Badgers still lose. If Bono believed either Weiler or Hilger were going to win, he'd have had them wrestle.
The next time Hilger and Steveson wrestle it will be a major at least in Steveson's favor.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 08:21:36 AM
None of those match ups are a given going the Badger's way. There is almost zero chance that all four matches go the way you say on the same day.
Likely Wick beats Sparks but no way by more than a three point decision. Sparks could easily upset him. He beat Robb in his first match and he is a top level wrestler.
I am not a huge Webster fan but this year he has looked very good so at best that one is a toss up. I would bet on Webster in this one.
Amos likely beats Jokes but again with his experience it would be a three pointer. I don't see Amos winning by more.
And yes, in a dual this year, Steveson pins Thor. Not likely in a tournament as there is less incentive there.
It would be closer but still goes to the Gophers.
Bono isn't stupid. There is a reason he did not put Weiler and Hilger out there. Those two would be virtually the same individual results.
And lastly, the Gophers are not a great #10 team. We feel like we did not wrestle well against Wisconsin(coaches will say what they have to say). Us fans are expecting much more.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 06:14:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 12, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
LOL he barely beat Josh Otto who has a bright future but isn't even close to Wicks level. Robb was a 157 last year and now he is a top tier 165? Lol You show your intelligence level in this post. Sparks upsetting Wick lol. Weiler who beat Webster by 6 now loses. Hillger who has wrestled Gables 3x, given up takedowns and escapes, and lost by decision twice is now going to get pinned. Lol
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
I never said all four things would happen in the Gopher's favor. You indicated that all four would happen in the Badger's favor. This is incredibly unlikely to happen and if id didn't the Badgers still lose. If Bono believed either Weiler or Hilger were going to win, he'd have had them wrestle.
The next time Hilger and Steveson wrestle it will be a major at least in Steveson's favor.Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 08:21:36 AM
None of those match ups are a given going the Badger's way. There is almost zero chance that all four matches go the way you say on the same day.
Likely Wick beats Sparks but no way by more than a three point decision. Sparks could easily upset him. He beat Robb in his first match and he is a top level wrestler.
I am not a huge Webster fan but this year he has looked very good so at best that one is a toss up. I would bet on Webster in this one.
Amos likely beats Jokes but again with his experience it would be a three pointer. I don't see Amos winning by more.
And yes, in a dual this year, Steveson pins Thor. Not likely in a tournament as there is less incentive there.
It would be closer but still goes to the Gophers.
Bono isn't stupid. There is a reason he did not put Weiler and Hilger out there. Those two would be virtually the same individual results.
And lastly, the Gophers are not a great #10 team. We feel like we did not wrestle well against Wisconsin(coaches will say what they have to say). Us fans are expecting much more.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 06:14:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 12, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
LOL he barely beat Josh Otto who has a bright future but isn't even close to Wicks level. Robb was a 157 last year and now he is a top tier 165? Lol You show your intelligence level in this post. Sparks upsetting Wick lol. Weiler who beat Webster by 6 now loses. Hillger who has wrestled Gables 3x, given up takedowns and escapes, and lost by decision twice is now going to get pinned. Lol
Those are the four most likely outcomes that would happen. Wick beats Sparks by a comfortable margin, Weiler beats Webster, Amos beats Joles, and Hillger loses to Steveson based on the season probably a major. You can wish or want someone to win but doesn't mean it will happen when there are already results to show what would happen in 2 of the 4 matches.
Well, their own coach disagrees with you or he'd have wrestled Weiler and Hilger...........
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 07:59:18 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
I never said all four things would happen in the Gopher's favor. You indicated that all four would happen in the Badger's favor. This is incredibly unlikely to happen and if id didn't the Badgers still lose. If Bono believed either Weiler or Hilger were going to win, he'd have had them wrestle.
The next time Hilger and Steveson wrestle it will be a major at least in Steveson's favor.Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 08:21:36 AM
None of those match ups are a given going the Badger's way. There is almost zero chance that all four matches go the way you say on the same day.
Likely Wick beats Sparks but no way by more than a three point decision. Sparks could easily upset him. He beat Robb in his first match and he is a top level wrestler.
I am not a huge Webster fan but this year he has looked very good so at best that one is a toss up. I would bet on Webster in this one.
Amos likely beats Jokes but again with his experience it would be a three pointer. I don't see Amos winning by more.
And yes, in a dual this year, Steveson pins Thor. Not likely in a tournament as there is less incentive there.
It would be closer but still goes to the Gophers.
Bono isn't stupid. There is a reason he did not put Weiler and Hilger out there. Those two would be virtually the same individual results.
And lastly, the Gophers are not a great #10 team. We feel like we did not wrestle well against Wisconsin(coaches will say what they have to say). Us fans are expecting much more.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 06:14:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 12, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
LOL he barely beat Josh Otto who has a bright future but isn't even close to Wicks level. Robb was a 157 last year and now he is a top tier 165? Lol You show your intelligence level in this post. Sparks upsetting Wick lol. Weiler who beat Webster by 6 now loses. Hillger who has wrestled Gables 3x, given up takedowns and escapes, and lost by decision twice is now going to get pinned. Lol
Those are the four most likely outcomes that would happen. Wick beats Sparks by a comfortable margin, Weiler beats Webster, Amos beats Joles, and Hillger loses to Steveson based on the season probably a major. You can wish or want someone to win but doesn't mean it will happen when there are already results to show what would happen in 2 of the 4 matches.
The positives that came out of this are Barnett and Krattiger. We desperately need young guys to step up if we want to be competitive with the top teams. Barnett showing signs of being an AA type wrestler with his last 2 wins. If they can continue to improve and can get to low AA/round of 12 type wrestlers, next year has a chance to be really good:
Barnett - low AA?
Wick - Top 5
Krattiger - top 10-15?
Weiler - low AA?
Amos - Top 5
Hillger - low/mid AA
Burwick and Zargo ready to compete as top 20 wrestlers?
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 09:56:41 AM
Well, their own coach disagrees with you or he'd have wrestled Weiler and Hilger...........Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 07:59:18 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
I never said all four things would happen in the Gopher's favor. You indicated that all four would happen in the Badger's favor. This is incredibly unlikely to happen and if id didn't the Badgers still lose. If Bono believed either Weiler or Hilger were going to win, he'd have had them wrestle.
The next time Hilger and Steveson wrestle it will be a major at least in Steveson's favor.Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 08:21:36 AM
None of those match ups are a given going the Badger's way. There is almost zero chance that all four matches go the way you say on the same day.
Likely Wick beats Sparks but no way by more than a three point decision. Sparks could easily upset him. He beat Robb in his first match and he is a top level wrestler.
I am not a huge Webster fan but this year he has looked very good so at best that one is a toss up. I would bet on Webster in this one.
Amos likely beats Jokes but again with his experience it would be a three pointer. I don't see Amos winning by more.
And yes, in a dual this year, Steveson pins Thor. Not likely in a tournament as there is less incentive there.
It would be closer but still goes to the Gophers.
Bono isn't stupid. There is a reason he did not put Weiler and Hilger out there. Those two would be virtually the same individual results.
And lastly, the Gophers are not a great #10 team. We feel like we did not wrestle well against Wisconsin(coaches will say what they have to say). Us fans are expecting much more.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 06:14:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 12, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 12, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
LOL he barely beat Josh Otto who has a bright future but isn't even close to Wicks level. Robb was a 157 last year and now he is a top tier 165? Lol You show your intelligence level in this post. Sparks upsetting Wick lol. Weiler who beat Webster by 6 now loses. Hillger who has wrestled Gables 3x, given up takedowns and escapes, and lost by decision twice is now going to get pinned. Lol
Those are the four most likely outcomes that would happen. Wick beats Sparks by a comfortable margin, Weiler beats Webster, Amos beats Joles, and Hillger loses to Steveson based on the season probably a major. You can wish or want someone to win but doesn't mean it will happen when there are already results to show what would happen in 2 of the 4 matches.
Again you show your wrestling/coaching knowledge or lack there of lol Spencer Lee sat against Purdue(Schroder) because Brands thought he was going to lose??? lol Coaches make decisions because of injury, keeping guys healthy, getting other guys opportunities, weight issues, etc.
The difference being that Brands knew they could beat Purdue without Lee. Wisconsin needed Weiler and Hilger in the lineup to win(if Bono thought they could). I am fully aware of why coaches hold wrestlers out. Honestly this has come up repeatedly on this site and most on here claim wrestlers are ducking opponents and scream to high heaven about it. My ducking comment was tongue in cheek for this very reason. With or without the Badgers that were out, the Gophers win. It would be close, likely winning two of the four match ups mentioned.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 09:56:41 AM
Well, their own coach disagrees with you or he'd have wrestled Weiler and Hilger...........Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 07:59:18 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
I never said all four things would happen in the Gopher's favor. You indicated that all four would happen in the Badger's favor. This is incredibly unlikely to happen and if id didn't the Badgers still lose. If Bono believed either Weiler or Hilger were going to win, he'd have had them wrestle.
The next time Hilger and Steveson wrestle it will be a major at least in Steveson's favor.Quote from: wrastle63 on February 13, 2021, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 13, 2021, 08:21:36 AM
None of those match ups are a given going the Badger's way. There is almost zero chance that all four matches go the way you say on the same day.
Likely Wick beats Sparks but no way by more than a three point decision. Sparks could easily upset him. He beat Robb in his first match and he is a top level wrestler.
I am not a huge Webster fan but this year he has looked very good so at best that one is a toss up. I would bet on Webster in this one.
Amos likely beats Jokes but again with his experience it would be a three pointer. I don't see Amos winning by more.
And yes, in a dual this year, Steveson pins Thor. Not likely in a tournament as there is less incentive there.
It would be closer but still goes to the Gophers.
Bono isn't stupid. There is a reason he did not put Weiler and Hilger out there. Those two would be virtually the same individual results.
And lastly, the Gophers are not a great #10 team. We feel like we did not wrestle well against Wisconsin(coaches will say what they have to say). Us fans are expecting much more.
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Who on the MN roster is taking a COVID year off? Are they better than Wick and Amos?
How big do you think the gap really is? With a full lineup the Badger likely win today.
You think they would produce a 20 point swing?
Yea actually probably would be. Wick would easily beat Sparks at least 6 point swing. Weiler could beat Webster as he beat him 9-3 last year so another 6 point swing. Amos would beat Joles so another 6. Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned based on previous matchups and whether decision or major. So yea 20.
LOL he barely beat Josh Otto who has a bright future but isn't even close to Wicks level. Robb was a 157 last year and now he is a top tier 165? Lol You show your intelligence level in this post. Sparks upsetting Wick lol. Weiler who beat Webster by 6 now loses. Hillger who has wrestled Gables 3x, given up takedowns and escapes, and lost by decision twice is now going to get pinned. Lol
Those are the four most likely outcomes that would happen. Wick beats Sparks by a comfortable margin, Weiler beats Webster, Amos beats Joles, and Hillger loses to Steveson based on the season probably a major. You can wish or want someone to win but doesn't mean it will happen when there are already results to show what would happen in 2 of the 4 matches.
Again you show your wrestling/coaching knowledge or lack there of lol Spencer Lee sat against Purdue(Schroder) because Brands thought he was going to lose??? lol Coaches make decisions because of injury, keeping guys healthy, getting other guys opportunities, weight issues, etc.
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
The logic of an infant. ::) So because McKee lost by major to Barnett the likely outcome is he will be majored by anybody ranked higher than #17 by your logic lol
Also Hillger has been pinned 1 time in his career(almost 100 matche). Luffman twice in this abbreviated season. ::)
Your right, his 5-1 crushing over the Juggernaut Heyob shows he would have given Steveson all he wanted.......:)
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
The logic of an infant. ::) So because McKee lost by major to Barnett the likely outcome is he will be majored by anybody ranked higher than #17 by your logic lol
Also Hillger has been pinned 1 time in his career(almost 100 matche). Luffman twice in this abbreviated season. ::)
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 05:11:25 PM
Your right, his 5-1 crushing over the Juggernaut Heyob shows he would have given Steveson all he wanted.......:) Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
The logic of an infant. ::) So because McKee lost by major to Barnett the likely outcome is he will be majored by anybody ranked higher than #17 by your logic lol
Also Hillger has been pinned 1 time in his career(almost 100 matche). Luffman twice in this abbreviated season. ::)
And Sparks beat Robb so he surely could beat Wick....right?!?
Here is the difference here...63 is using past results and "data" and you sir are using pure emotion in your statements.
Well using past data........Last year Hilger beat his last opponent 15-1, this year 5-1. Steveson is on another level this year so yes, his outcomes will be better as he has proven.
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 08:32:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 05:11:25 PM
Your right, his 5-1 crushing over the Juggernaut Heyob shows he would have given Steveson all he wanted.......:) Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
The logic of an infant. ::) So because McKee lost by major to Barnett the likely outcome is he will be majored by anybody ranked higher than #17 by your logic lol
Also Hillger has been pinned 1 time in his career(almost 100 matche). Luffman twice in this abbreviated season. ::)
And Sparks beat Robb so he surely could beat Wick....right?!?
Here is the difference here...63 is using past results and "data" and you sir are using pure emotion in your statements.
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 08:32:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 05:11:25 PM
Your right, his 5-1 crushing over the Juggernaut Heyob shows he would have given Steveson all he wanted.......:) Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
The logic of an infant. ::) So because McKee lost by major to Barnett the likely outcome is he will be majored by anybody ranked higher than #17 by your logic lol
Also Hillger has been pinned 1 time in his career(almost 100 matche). Luffman twice in this abbreviated season. ::)
And Sparks beat Robb so he surely could beat Wick....right?!?
Here is the difference here...63 is using past results and "data" and you sir are using pure emotion in your statements.
Hate to say it again, but 63 is using badgers who aren't on the roster in his argument. Maybe we should put Howe and Tannelli in the argument too? Reality is MN is a considerable distance ahead of us as a dual team, and probably a tournament team. There's really no dispute. I'd welcome being wrong on this.
Quote from: Handles II on February 15, 2021, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 08:32:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 05:11:25 PM
Your right, his 5-1 crushing over the Juggernaut Heyob shows he would have given Steveson all he wanted.......:) Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
The logic of an infant. ::) So because McKee lost by major to Barnett the likely outcome is he will be majored by anybody ranked higher than #17 by your logic lol
Also Hillger has been pinned 1 time in his career(almost 100 matche). Luffman twice in this abbreviated season. ::)
And Sparks beat Robb so he surely could beat Wick....right?!?
Here is the difference here...63 is using past results and "data" and you sir are using pure emotion in your statements.
Hate to say it again, but 63 is using badgers who aren't on the roster in his argument. Maybe we should put Howe and Tannelli in the argument too? Reality is MN is a considerable distance ahead of us as a dual team, and probably a tournament team. There's really no dispute. I'd welcome being wrong on this.
Your wrong per usual. I didn't bring up Badgers who aren't on the roster Numbers brought it up and MNBadger said they wouldn't produce a 20 point swing. I stated IF Wick and Amos were wrestling this year it would.
125: #20 Eric Barnett (UW) maj. dec. #6 Patrick McKee (UM), 17-4 (UW 4, UM 0)
133: Boo Dryden (UM) dec. Kyle Burwick (UW), 5-2 (UW 4, UM 3)
141: Marcos Polanco (UM) dec. Dominic Demento (UW), 4-0 (UM 6, UW 4)
149: Michael Blockhus (UM) dec. Drew Scharenbrock (UW), 13-8 (UM 9, UW 4)
157: #6 Brayton Lee (UM) dec. Garrett Model (UW), 11-7 (UM 12, UW 4)
165: #16 Andrew Sparks (UM) dec. Josh Otto (UW), 7-5 (UM 15, UW 4)
174: #19 Jared Krattiger (UW) dec. #15 Jake Allar (UM), 5-3 (UM 15, UW 7)
184: #11 Owen Webster (UM) dec, Tyler Dow (UW), 5-1 (UM 18, UW 7)
197: Garrett Joles (UM) dec. Andrew Salemme (UW), 9-4 (UM 21, UW 7)
HWT: #1 Gable Steveson (UM) pinned Pete Christensen (UW), 3:20 (UM 27, UW 7)
So, if Wick and Amos wrestled, show me the twenty point swing. And that still would not give the Badgers the win would it?
They won two of ten bouts. Two more would be 4 of ten bouts. Neither are as likely to pin as Steveson would be(considering the level Steveson has grown to and Hilger looks as if he has gone backwards).
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 15, 2021, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Handles II on February 15, 2021, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 08:32:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 05:11:25 PM
Your right, his 5-1 crushing over the Juggernaut Heyob shows he would have given Steveson all he wanted.......:) Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
The logic of an infant. ::) So because McKee lost by major to Barnett the likely outcome is he will be majored by anybody ranked higher than #17 by your logic lol
Also Hillger has been pinned 1 time in his career(almost 100 matche). Luffman twice in this abbreviated season. ::)
And Sparks beat Robb so he surely could beat Wick....right?!?
Here is the difference here...63 is using past results and "data" and you sir are using pure emotion in your statements.
Hate to say it again, but 63 is using badgers who aren't on the roster in his argument. Maybe we should put Howe and Tannelli in the argument too? Reality is MN is a considerable distance ahead of us as a dual team, and probably a tournament team. There's really no dispute. I'd welcome being wrong on this.
Your wrong per usual. I didn't bring up Badgers who aren't on the roster Numbers brought it up and MNBadger said they wouldn't produce a 20 point swing. I stated IF Wick and Amos were wrestling this year it would.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 15, 2021, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: Handles II on February 15, 2021, 11:38:56 AM
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 08:32:21 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 05:11:25 PM
Your right, his 5-1 crushing over the Juggernaut Heyob shows he would have given Steveson all he wanted.......:) Quote from: wrastle63 on February 14, 2021, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 14, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
One other thing, in regard to Gable/Hilger had they wrestled in the dual.....
" Hillger would lose to Gable but not get pinned"..........your statement.
Steveson pinned #6 Luffman in 24 seconds. He was/is ranked higher than Hilger so a pin is the likely outcome here regardless.
The logic of an infant. ::) So because McKee lost by major to Barnett the likely outcome is he will be majored by anybody ranked higher than #17 by your logic lol
Also Hillger has been pinned 1 time in his career(almost 100 matche). Luffman twice in this abbreviated season. ::)
And Sparks beat Robb so he surely could beat Wick....right?!?
Here is the difference here...63 is using past results and "data" and you sir are using pure emotion in your statements.
Hate to say it again, but 63 is using badgers who aren't on the roster in his argument. Maybe we should put Howe and Tannelli in the argument too? Reality is MN is a considerable distance ahead of us as a dual team, and probably a tournament team. There's really no dispute. I'd welcome being wrong on this.
Your wrong per usual. I didn't bring up Badgers who aren't on the roster Numbers brought it up and MNBadger said they wouldn't produce a 20 point swing. I stated IF Wick and Amos were wrestling this year it would.
Which they aren't. So there's zero point in throwing their names in the mix. That's the reality.
MN is much better than the line up the Badgers sent out there...no one is disputing it nor denying it. Not sure how that is not the perspective some of you Gopher fans are taking. What is being disputed is that if the Badgers had those in their line-up who they should have...Wick and Amos and Hilger, the Badgers absolutely could have come close to making up the 20 pt difference. Not to mention swing a couple of the close matches. There is no biased there. That is no off the deep end comment. Any logical wrestling fan would say the same. But to say Starks could beat Wick because he beat someone that hasn't even AA'd, yet alone he just barely beat Otto (no disrespect to Otto)...those are totally biased comments. As for the Hilger/Steveson comments, Steveson is a once in a generational wrestler and Hilger hasn't had the greatest year, but if I was a betting man, I wouldn't have any problems putting $$ that Steveson DOESN'T pin Hilger.
I am not even the biggest Badger's fan, and I actually don't mind the Rodents (I hate the college football team, Ha!). I absolutely despise Iowa, mostly because of the Brands, but I surely don't have a problem saying they are heads and shoulders above any other team right now (I don't think anyone will come close to them)...it is pretty impressive. And I actually like Lee and he is probably one of my more favorite wrestlers to watch. And speaking of Sparks of MN, I think he is good and will be VERY good...could see him winning a title before he is done (but NO WAY is he close to Wick this year).
My point was IF Wick and Amos were on the roster that Bono would have put other wrestlers on the mat at 184 and Hwt as well.
Wick +6 (or 7) points
Amos +6 points
184 Weiler possible + 6 points
Hwt Hilger + 1 or 2 points
MN probably a slight favorite but Badgers are right there with MN.
Quote from: Numbers on February 15, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
My point was IF Wick and Amos were on the roster that Bono would have put other wrestlers on the mat at 184 and Hwt as well.
Wick +6 (or 7) points
Amos +6 points
184 Weiler possible + 6 points
Hwt Hilger + 1 or 2 points
MN probably a slight favorite but Badgers are right there with MN.
But the Badger's didn't put those guys out there so you are forbidden to bring them up! ;)
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 03:05:12 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 15, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
My point was IF Wick and Amos were on the roster that Bono would have put other wrestlers on the mat at 184 and Hwt as well.
Wick +6 (or 7) points
Amos +6 points
184 Weiler possible + 6 points
Hwt Hilger + 1 or 2 points
MN probably a slight favorite but Badgers are right there with MN.
But the Badger's didn't put those guys out there so you are forbidden to bring them up! ;)
Plus according to MNBadger Sparks would beat 3x All American Evan Wick anyways... even though he barely beat Josh Otto. Also Webster only beat Tyler Dow 5-1 and Dow is closer to a 165 than a 184, but yet he will beat a top 10 ranked Chris Weiler who beat him 9-3 last season. I would trust that opinion over any! ::)
You are misquoting me. Someone said Wick and Amos would produce a twenty point swing. No way in my opinion.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Amos +6? He has not wrestled yet
Weiler +6 nope(ifBono thought that he'd have put him out there and I assume he knows more than we do)
The more I think about it, the more sure I am that Gable pins Hilger in the dual(considering what Hilger has shown this year)
With them in, yes a closer match. I never said otherwise. But to think that ALL of your individual predictions happen on the same night in the same dual.....well...... incredibly unlikely.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 15, 2021, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 03:05:12 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 15, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
My point was IF Wick and Amos were on the roster that Bono would have put other wrestlers on the mat at 184 and Hwt as well.
Wick +6 (or 7) points
Amos +6 points
184 Weiler possible + 6 points
Hwt Hilger + 1 or 2 points
MN probably a slight favorite but Badgers are right there with MN.
But the Badger's didn't put those guys out there so you are forbidden to bring them up! ;)
Plus according to MNBadger Sparks would beat 3x All American Evan Wick anyways... even though he barely beat Josh Otto. Also Webster only beat Tyler Dow 5-1 and Dow is closer to a 165 than a 184, but yet he will beat a top 10 ranked Chris Weiler who beat him 9-3 last season. I would trust that opinion over any! ::)
And I assume you are assuming that every time Barnett is going to beat McKee which history tells you is incorrect. So if you assume all those other matches go one way........
Quote from: MNbadger on February 15, 2021, 05:28:59 PM
You are misquoting me. Someone said Wick and Amos would produce a twenty point swing. No way in my opinion.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Slightly possible that 3x All American and a guy who is qualified for Senior Nationals beats a true freshman? LOL at your wrestling knowledge
Amos +6? He has not wrestled yet
The guy who is 10-19 since his redshirt season is beating Braxton Amos who was a top 5 recruit in the entire nation and has already
Weiler +6 nope(ifBono thought that he'd have put him out there and I assume he knows more than we do)
Weiler beat him last year 9-3 lol
The more I think about it, the more sure I am that Gable pins Hilger in the dual(considering what Hilger has shown this year)
With them in, yes a closer match. I never said otherwise. But to think that ALL of your individual predictions happen on the same night in the same dual.....well...... incredibly unlikely.Quote from: wrastle63 on February 15, 2021, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 03:05:12 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 15, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
My point was IF Wick and Amos were on the roster that Bono would have put other wrestlers on the mat at 184 and Hwt as well.
Wick +6 (or 7) points
Amos +6 points
184 Weiler possible + 6 points
Hwt Hilger + 1 or 2 points
MN probably a slight favorite but Badgers are right there with MN.
But the Badger's didn't put those guys out there so you are forbidden to bring them up! ;)
Plus according to MNBadger Sparks would beat 3x All American Evan Wick anyways... even though he barely beat Josh Otto. Also Webster only beat Tyler Dow 5-1 and Dow is closer to a 165 than a 184, but yet he will beat a top 10 ranked Chris Weiler who beat him 9-3 last season. I would trust that opinion over any! ::)
No I don't assume Barnett majors McKee everytime because I actually understand wrestling and that things change. Barnett easily could have got a tech as well. But I'm done. This is like trying to explain something to a 2 year old.... that might be offensive to the 2 year old though.
Funny.....I was thinking the same thing........
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 15, 2021, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 15, 2021, 05:28:59 PM
You are misquoting me. Someone said Wick and Amos would produce a twenty point swing. No way in my opinion.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Slightly possible that 3x All American and a guy who is qualified for Senior Nationals beats a true freshman? LOL at your wrestling knowledge
Amos +6? He has not wrestled yet
The guy who is 10-19 since his redshirt season is beating Braxton Amos who was a top 5 recruit in the entire nation and has already
Weiler +6 nope(ifBono thought that he'd have put him out there and I assume he knows more than we do)
Weiler beat him last year 9-3 lol
The more I think about it, the more sure I am that Gable pins Hilger in the dual(considering what Hilger has shown this year)
With them in, yes a closer match. I never said otherwise. But to think that ALL of your individual predictions happen on the same night in the same dual.....well...... incredibly unlikely.Quote from: wrastle63 on February 15, 2021, 03:16:33 PM
Quote from: dman on February 15, 2021, 03:05:12 PM
Quote from: Numbers on February 15, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
My point was IF Wick and Amos were on the roster that Bono would have put other wrestlers on the mat at 184 and Hwt as well.
Wick +6 (or 7) points
Amos +6 points
184 Weiler possible + 6 points
Hwt Hilger + 1 or 2 points
MN probably a slight favorite but Badgers are right there with MN.
But the Badger's didn't put those guys out there so you are forbidden to bring them up! ;)
Plus according to MNBadger Sparks would beat 3x All American Evan Wick anyways... even though he barely beat Josh Otto. Also Webster only beat Tyler Dow 5-1 and Dow is closer to a 165 than a 184, but yet he will beat a top 10 ranked Chris Weiler who beat him 9-3 last season. I would trust that opinion over any! ::)
No I don't assume Barnett majors McKee everytime because I actually understand wrestling and that things change. Barnett easily could have got a tech as well. But I'm done. This is like trying to explain something to a 2 year old.... that might be offensive to the 2 year old though.
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
So you believe that Wick and Weiler will earn falls but doubt that Steveson pins Hilger....I can't wrap my head around that. The bottom line is that both teams put out their best line ups(assuming they were trying to win the dual). The Gophers won.....again. The Gophers would be tougher if they still had Luke Becker and Jared Lawrence in their line up too!
Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 08:03:18 AM
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:14:45 AM
So you believe that Wick and Weiler will earn falls but doubt that Steveson pins Hilger....I can't wrap my head around that. The bottom line is that both teams put out their best line ups(assuming they were trying to win the dual). The Gophers won.....again. The Gophers would be tougher if they still had Luke Becker and Jared Lawrence in their line up too! Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 08:03:18 AM
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
Not a single person said they would get a pin. But we do understand that you can't wrap your head around simple math....
Let me break it down for you so maybe you can understand and not sound so childish. Minnesota won at 165, but Wick would win comfortably against Sparks and get a decision at least or a major that is a +6 swing at least for the Badgers. Minnesota won at 184, but Weiler beat Webster 9-3 last year so that would favor a +6 swing to the Badgers.
Let's assume Weiler and Amos both get falls(NO chance Weiler pins Webster but just for argument's sake let's say it's so). This makes it 21-19 Gophers. I agree that it would be close but they can't score more than 6.
The Badgers won 2 of 10 bouts, 4 of 10 rarely wins a dual.
The "what if" game is endless.....What if Brayton Lee hadn't been a bit off, he would have won by more. Sparks looked off his game as well(that is our perspective on this end). And while I am not a huge fan, McKee was sub-par too.
See how this works?
You are the one who is struggling with math. You just gave the Badgers two six point swings. Add them up, that is 12 points, not twenty.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 16, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:14:45 AM
So you believe that Wick and Weiler will earn falls but doubt that Steveson pins Hilger....I can't wrap my head around that. The bottom line is that both teams put out their best line ups(assuming they were trying to win the dual). The Gophers won.....again. The Gophers would be tougher if they still had Luke Becker and Jared Lawrence in their line up too! Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 08:03:18 AM
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
Not a single person said they would get a pin. But we do understand that you can't wrap your head around simple math....
Let me break it down for you so maybe you can understand and not sound so childish. Minnesota won at 165, but Wick would win comfortable against Sparks and get a decision or a major that is a +6 swing at least for the Badgers. Minnesota won at 184, but Weiler beat Webster 9-3 last year so that would favor a +6 swing to the Badgers.
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:36:50 AM
You are the one who is struggling with math. You just gave the Badgers two six point swings. Add them up, that is 12 points, not twenty.Quote from: wrastle63 on February 16, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:14:45 AM
So you believe that Wick and Weiler will earn falls but doubt that Steveson pins Hilger....I can't wrap my head around that. The bottom line is that both teams put out their best line ups(assuming they were trying to win the dual). The Gophers won.....again. The Gophers would be tougher if they still had Luke Becker and Jared Lawrence in their line up too! Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 08:03:18 AM
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
Not a single person said they would get a pin. But we do understand that you can't wrap your head around simple math....
Let me break it down for you so maybe you can understand and not sound so childish. Minnesota won at 165, but Wick would win comfortable against Sparks and get a decision or a major that is a +6 swing at least for the Badgers. Minnesota won at 184, but Weiler beat Webster 9-3 last year so that would favor a +6 swing to the Badgers.
LOL I feel sorry for you.....
165 Wick comfortably wins with possible bonus +6
184 Weiler favored to win +6
197 Amos +6
285 Hillger would save the Badgers at least 2 points as he doesn't get turned easily and hasn't against Gable. He loses based on takedowns. So +2
6+6+6+2 is 20 points. WOW Math is fun! Again this was a hypothetical that Numbers brought up. The Gophers won fair and square, but if the Badgers had their full/best lineup it would be a very very close dual and in my opinion the Badgers would have won by 1 because of Wick. I was right to apologize to 2 year olds, because they could understand that..... unlike you.
ALL supposition on your part. I guess they should have wrestled Hilger and Weiler....... but they didn't. One minute you count two wrestlers that didn't wrestle, then you are talking about four wrestlers. Regardless, if Bono thought that Weiler and Hilger would win, he's have put them out there. He conceded the losses, something you are not willing to do. Likely you should be the coach.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 16, 2021, 08:46:37 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:36:50 AM
You are the one who is struggling with math. You just gave the Badgers two six point swings. Add them up, that is 12 points, not twenty.Quote from: wrastle63 on February 16, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:14:45 AM
So you believe that Wick and Weiler will earn falls but doubt that Steveson pins Hilger....I can't wrap my head around that. The bottom line is that both teams put out their best line ups(assuming they were trying to win the dual). The Gophers won.....again. The Gophers would be tougher if they still had Luke Becker and Jared Lawrence in their line up too! Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 08:03:18 AM
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
Not a single person said they would get a pin. But we do understand that you can't wrap your head around simple math....
Let me break it down for you so maybe you can understand and not sound so childish. Minnesota won at 165, but Wick would win comfortable against Sparks and get a decision or a major that is a +6 swing at least for the Badgers. Minnesota won at 184, but Weiler beat Webster 9-3 last year so that would favor a +6 swing to the Badgers.
LOL I feel sorry for you.....
165 Wick comfortably wins with possible bonus +6
184 Weiler favored to win +6
197 Amos +6
285 Hillger would save the Badgers at least 2 points as he doesn't get turned easily and hasn't against Gable. He loses based on takedowns. So +2
6+6+6+2 is 20 points. WOW Math is fun! Again this was a hypothetical that Numbers brought up. The Gophers won fair and square, but if the Badgers had their full/best lineup it would be a very very close dual and in my opinion the Badgers would have won by 1 because of Wick. I was right to apologize to 2 year olds, because they could understand that..... unlike you.
The bottom line is this; you can SPECULATE all you want. The proof is in the pudding. Excuses are like belly buttons, everyone has them. I criticize the Gophers when they lose to Iowa or anyone else. They have to recruit better, period.
As I said before, I think( most MN fans online have said the same) if the Gophers wrestled better, they would have beaten the Badgers by more. Beforehand, this match could have been a shutout by the Gophers if everything fell their way. The truth is, rarely in DI wrestling does everything fall the right way(this is my point when you speculate about the Badger lineup and count the best case scenario for WI). The thing is THEY DIDN'T!(referring to the Gophers wrestling better) I WISH they would have, HOPED they would have, but they did not.
Enough of this for me. You can imagine every scenario you want, picking and choosing wrestlers who did not/could not? wrestle.
Good luck.
Well these teams will tangle again next year. I expect it will be highly competitive because the programs are not worlds apart.
And if Gable is still on the Gophers next year they may even win the dual.
Quote from: Numbers on February 16, 2021, 10:32:51 AM
And if Gable is still on the Gophers next year they may even win the dual.
Based on his tweets. GS is heading to the WWE right after the Olympics so his final folk style matches will be in a few short weeks.
On a side note MN sure has a knack at recruiting and developing HWT's.
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 16, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:14:45 AM
So you believe that Wick and Weiler will earn falls but doubt that Steveson pins Hilger....I can't wrap my head around that. The bottom line is that both teams put out their best line ups(assuming they were trying to win the dual). The Gophers won.....again. The Gophers would be tougher if they still had Luke Becker and Jared Lawrence in their line up too! Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 08:03:18 AM
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
Not a single person said they would get a pin. But we do understand that you can't wrap your head around simple math....
Let me break it down for you so maybe you can understand and not sound so childish. Minnesota won at 165, but Wick would win comfortably against Sparks and get a decision at least or a major that is a +6 swing at least for the Badgers. Minnesota won at 184, but Weiler beat Webster 9-3 last year so that would favor a +6 swing to the Badgers.
I know he will never admit it but he clearly didn't understand how a +6 point SWING works. He continually thought you were saying they would get pins. LOL And then turned around and tried to play it off like he knew and then tried turn it about number of wrestlers who did or didn't wrestler in a hypothetical discussion around how far away are the Badgers truly from MN. Very entertaining. He still never addressed his crazy comments about Starks beating Wick, or Weiler never having a chance to win...oh well.
You are lying or being obtuse. I understood completely I do not know who "Starks" is......
At one point one of you claimed the Badgers would win with Weiler and Amos wrestling, claiming they would result in a 20 point swing.
I pointed out the max they could have changed it as 12 points(best case scenario). I never said Sparks would win, just that the possibility was there for an upset you fellows portrayed the Badgers as assuredly winning every possible matchup..
Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 16, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:14:45 AM
So you believe that Wick and Weiler will earn falls but doubt that Steveson pins Hilger....I can't wrap my head around that. The bottom line is that both teams put out their best line ups(assuming they were trying to win the dual). The Gophers won.....again. The Gophers would be tougher if they still had Luke Becker and Jared Lawrence in their line up too! Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 08:03:18 AM
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
Not a single person said they would get a pin. But we do understand that you can't wrap your head around simple math....
Let me break it down for you so maybe you can understand and not sound so childish. Minnesota won at 165, but Wick would win comfortably against Sparks and get a decision at least or a major that is a +6 swing at least for the Badgers. Minnesota won at 184, but Weiler beat Webster 9-3 last year so that would favor a +6 swing to the Badgers.
I know he will never admit it but he clearly didn't understand how a +6 point SWING works. He continually thought you were saying they would get pins. LOL And then turned around and tried to play it off like he knew and then tried turn it about number of wrestlers who did or didn't wrestler in a hypothetical discussion around how far away are the Badgers truly from MN. Very entertaining. He still never addressed his crazy comments about Starks beating Wick, or Weiler never having a chance to win...oh well.
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 02:29:51 PM
You are lying or being obtuse. I understood completely I do not know who "Starks" is......
At one point one of you claimed the Badgers would win with Weiler and Amos wrestling, claiming they would result in a 20 point swing.
I pointed out the max they could have changed it as 12 points(best case scenario). I never said Sparks would win, just that the possibility was there for an upset you fellows portrayed the Badgers as assuredly winning every possible matchup..Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on February 16, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on February 16, 2021, 08:14:45 AM
So you believe that Wick and Weiler will earn falls but doubt that Steveson pins Hilger....I can't wrap my head around that. The bottom line is that both teams put out their best line ups(assuming they were trying to win the dual). The Gophers won.....again. The Gophers would be tougher if they still had Luke Becker and Jared Lawrence in their line up too! Quote from: dman on February 16, 2021, 08:03:18 AM
And there it is confirmed by two more statements that I can't wrap my head around.
Wick +6 or 7?!? Slightly possible
Weiler +6 nope
No reason to even have a civilized debate any longer...
Not a single person said they would get a pin. But we do understand that you can't wrap your head around simple math....
Let me break it down for you so maybe you can understand and not sound so childish. Minnesota won at 165, but Wick would win comfortably against Sparks and get a decision at least or a major that is a +6 swing at least for the Badgers. Minnesota won at 184, but Weiler beat Webster 9-3 last year so that would favor a +6 swing to the Badgers.
I know he will never admit it but he clearly didn't understand how a +6 point SWING works. He continually thought you were saying they would get pins. LOL And then turned around and tried to play it off like he knew and then tried turn it about number of wrestlers who did or didn't wrestler in a hypothetical discussion around how far away are the Badgers truly from MN. Very entertaining. He still never addressed his crazy comments about Starks beating Wick, or Weiler never having a chance to win...oh well.
Okay...you convinced us...now you have to convince yourself that you knew all along how +6 point swing works. Or that you said Starks would upset Wick. Or that Weiler didn't have a chance. Your words speak for themselves. And I have yet seen where anyone said that UW WOULD win; however, comments were made that the Rodents aren't as far ahead of the Badgers as you think, and followed it up using data and hypotheticals with the wrestlers that are
currently part of the Badger's program. That set you off for some reason and you tried to discount someone ever claiming there COULD be a +20 point swing IF the Badgers wrestled to the best of their ability with the guys who are in the program but not wrestling right now for whatever reason. Or am I being obtuse??
Yes, you are being obtuse. I stated that in my earlier post.
This argument is like trying to brush your teeth with a mouth full of oreos! Good grief
Do you have any milk! ;D