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Title: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: ankle pick on January 10, 2017, 07:29:41 AM
 I take it Breske is red shirting this year?  Looking forward to see how he does at the college level.

Intermat rankings...

125 Lambert, #5
133.. Montoya, #3
141.. McCrystal, #11
149.. ?
157.. Berger, #3
165.. ?
174.. ?
184.. Dudley, #3
197.. Studebaker, #7
Hwt.. Jensen, #15

Tourney.. #6
Dual....... #5
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 10, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
I see this as a 5-5 split. Think we lose on bonus points, but should be a very close dual.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: bigG on January 10, 2017, 08:46:15 AM
Man, if JJ can upset here; I'll be whoopin'.

I'm afraid of bonus points, too. Where Nebraska has fire power; it's fierier.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: bigG on January 10, 2017, 08:48:33 AM
I'm pickin the Badgers by 2. JJ wins and those points make up for bonus. 6 point swing; I'm takin' it.

I think we need an upset.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 10, 2017, 11:21:35 AM
Lambert isn't a guy who dominates either. He wrestles a lot of close matches. JJ needs to get the first takedown.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: ankle pick on January 10, 2017, 04:23:15 PM
I don't see JJ beating Lambert.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 10, 2017, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: ankle pick on January 10, 2017, 04:23:15 PM
I don't see JJ beating Lambert.
Yea he beat OSU'S 125. Lambert is solid but not impressive.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: smitty71 on January 12, 2017, 07:14:56 PM
not again!!
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 13, 2017, 07:10:19 PM
Jiminez looking flat in first period down 4-1
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 07:16:08 PM
Jimenez gets teched 19-1.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 13, 2017, 07:26:07 PM
Nice to have Stickley back but he gets majored.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Micah on January 13, 2017, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 07:16:08 PM
Jimenez gets teched 19-1.


Thought Lambert would handle JJ but it would be like 7-2.  The travel could be a factor, something we don't consider as much in wrestling as we do other sports.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 13, 2017, 07:29:23 PM
Martin already looking much more aggressive than he did against OSU.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
Martin loses 12-2
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: jets152 on January 13, 2017, 07:36:12 PM
This is turning ugly
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 13, 2017, 07:41:23 PM
Comeback Crone turns it on.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 07:47:36 PM
Crone wins, it's 13-3 Nebraska. Donar wrestling for the first time this year. Hurts his knee. Trainers out there right now.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 08:06:57 PM
Donar is able to continue but loses a major. UW down 17-3.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 08:08:03 PM
Jordan wins 4-1.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: jets152 on January 13, 2017, 08:09:20 PM
You can never give up on Crone
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: DocWrestling on January 13, 2017, 08:16:16 PM
This may rub some people the wrong way but there just is a wrestling style problem for UW or something.  Other teams score and run up the score against us and create some excitement and bonus points.  Jordan can be right up there with one of the most boring wrestlers. Howe was similar.  Win a lot but not very much exciting scoring power.

Crone is exciting.  We need to recruit guys that can score and push to take chances so they can win matches but also score big and pull off upsets.  

Is this just the philosophy of Barry Davis? Takedowns seem tough to come by
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: imwi on January 13, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Watched Penn State before the Badgers.  It almost seems if they win with only a decision, it's considered a loss, they've always been bonus bonus bonus.  I agree about Jordan.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 08:20:47 PM
Dudley techs Stilling 18-0 in under 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: DocWrestling on January 13, 2017, 08:27:21 PM
Only Crone and Jordan have scored any points other than an escape after 8 matches
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 08:35:37 PM
Medbery wins by tech 16-0.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: leg turk on January 13, 2017, 08:37:45 PM
Ugly!
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 08:38:17 PM
Nebraska 28 Wisconsin 11. Pretty underwhelming performance. It wasn't even so much that they lost, but they were getting crushed in many of them. I know Nebraska has good wrestlers, but a lot of UW wrestlers looked pretty flat.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: jaguarwrestler on January 13, 2017, 08:47:50 PM
Quote from: crossface21 on January 13, 2017, 07:16:08 PM
Jimenez gets teched 19-1.


2 years ago they wrestled and Lambert was #18 and won 5-0... now Lambert  is #5 and wins 19-1.... how was Lambert able to gain some much on JJ?
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Musky Hunter on January 13, 2017, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on January 13, 2017, 08:16:16 PM
This may rub some people the wrong way but there just is a wrestling style problem for UW or something.  Other teams score and run up the score against us and create some excitement and bonus points.  Jordan can be right up there with one of the most boring wrestlers. Howe was similar.  Win a lot but not very much exciting scoring power.

Crone is exciting.  We need to recruit guys that can score and push to take chances so they can win matches but also score big and pull off upsets.  

Is this just the philosophy of Barry Davis? Takedowns seem tough to come by

Zeke was 29-1 finishing 2nd in the nation.  If that is boring I will take boring all day long.  So you would rather have Crone?  Maybe edit what you wrote. 

Also they did have the up tempo kid in RT and he did not stay healthy.  Connor is in between.  I would take all three on my team. 
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: DocWrestling on January 13, 2017, 09:36:06 PM
Winning is priority #1 and Zeke is outstanding at that.

RT was an attacker also and Medbery can score especially for a heavyweight.

My point was  frustration with the bonus points we give up and yet when our best guys are heavily favored they seem to wrestle more conservative.

Howe won a lot and was impressive but not many fans are going to get excited. he was like watching a 1-0 baseball game or 7-3 football game.  You can appreciate that but it is not going to draw in fans.

My lead in was with the discussion about attendance.  The badger style is not like Penn St or Iowa and it hurts.  Kids watching Howe and Jordan will think it is boring even if they win.  Guys like Dieringer and Askren and many others wrestled all out, created scrambles, and in the end dominated their opponents especially the non-ranked guys.

I realize that a 4-1 win can actually be a dominating win at times in college but it is far from exciting at drawing in fans.  I guess I would just like a looser more attacking style.  It might actually lead to a couple losses but would also lead to some upsets as a whole up and down the roster.  When you get to Big Tens then yes maybe you starting wrestling more conservative.

When Davis broke down the dual and wanted a victory, he had to have told jordan that we will need bonus points from him.  He did not get them which can be almost as disappointing as guys that lost and gave up bonus points.

I will never underestimate getting a Big Ten win ever but just not sure about the wrestling "philosophy" of UW and a different style and "edge" might make it easier for fans to get excited and or make my kids think this is not boring.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 13, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
Medberry really looks on top of his game. Agree pretty underwhelming tonight. I was expecting losses at some weights but closer matches.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: BuckyMatRat on January 13, 2017, 10:50:03 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 13, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
Medberry really looks on top of his game. Agree pretty underwhelming tonight. I was expecting losses at some weights but closer matches.

You knew from the introductions that Manning wasn't going to put Jensen up against Medbery.  When they announced both wrestlers it was obvious.  It's the one thing I really dont enjoy about the sport.  Wrestlers and coaches avoiding matches.  Why?  A lose will hurt their 'seed'?  Going to hurt their confidence?  When I asked the local newspaper reporter tonight who covers NU wrestling why Jensen didn't wrestle he simply said 'he's the number two guy.  Wasn't going to happen.'  Disappointed but didn't matter as Medbery would have beaten both Jensens, at the same time, if he had too...: ).
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: billymurphy on January 13, 2017, 10:52:12 PM
Everybody knows that Nebraska is very good this year.
And we all know that Jordan and Medbery are easily the best two guys on the team,
but I have been wondering who the third best guy on the team is and after tonight I
think I can say with confidence that it is Robertson.  And that is saying something
after last year wrestling like a Zombie from the Walking Dead tv show.  

Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: BuckyMatRat on January 13, 2017, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: billymurphy on January 13, 2017, 10:52:12 PM
Everybody knows that Nebraska is very good this year.
And we all know that Jordan and Medbery are easily the best two guys on the team,
but I have been wondering who the third best guy on the team is and after tonight I
think I can say with confidence that it is Robertson.  And that is saying something
after last year wrestling like a Zombie from the Walking Dead tv show.  



He showed some grit and fight tonight.  He was the one guy tonight who you could see it in his face that he was disappponted as he walked off the mat and into the locker room.  He gave the #7 guy all he wanted. 
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: MNbadger on January 14, 2017, 12:28:08 AM
Doc, This is what fans here in MN are saying about the Gophers too.  Some are on Eggum claiming he coaches a defensive style.  No coach punishes his wrestlers for scoring! I can't imagine that in practice Jordan does too many takedowns and then has to run laps for punishment.
When wrestlers aren't scorong it is usually becuase they can't not that they won't.  When the Gopher shad the best wrestlers and wer winning the NCAA tournament, they had the best wrestlers and guess what ?????  They scored a great deal.  I had this debate not long ago with other Gopher fans.  They were claiming the same thing after the PSU match.  We did not create much offense because PSU was that much better, period. 
Quote from: DocWrestling on January 13, 2017, 08:16:16 PM
This may rub some people the wrong way but there just is a wrestling style problem for UW or something.  Other teams score and run up the score against us and create some excitement and bonus points.  Jordan can be right up there with one of the most boring wrestlers. Howe was similar.  Win a lot but not very much exciting scoring power.

Crone is exciting.  We need to recruit guys that can score and push to take chances so they can win matches but also score big and pull off upsets.  

Is this just the philosophy of Barry Davis? Takedowns seem tough to come by
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: NoFear on January 14, 2017, 06:37:30 AM
Looked like pulling the redshirt is working out.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Ivan Stankowski on January 14, 2017, 07:09:32 AM
Quote from: NoFear on January 14, 2017, 06:37:30 AM
Looked like pulling the redshirt is working out.

Mu understanding is Penn State is keeping Hall on the red shirt path, or did I miss something?
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: npope on January 14, 2017, 07:58:49 AM
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on January 14, 2017, 07:09:32 AM
Quote from: NoFear on January 14, 2017, 06:37:30 AM
Looked like pulling the redshirt is working out.

Mu understanding is Penn State is keeping Hall on the red shirt path, or did I miss something?


JJ's redshirt - not Hall's
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Ivan Stankowski on January 14, 2017, 08:09:05 AM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 14, 2017, 08:06:22 AM
January 27th is not going to look so good for the Badgers! Penn State beat the crap out of Nebraska 27-14!

I smell an upset brewing!!
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Huckfinn on January 14, 2017, 08:12:27 AM
Ouch.   After Jordan and Medberry graduate, this team looks a lot like Michigan State.

I agree that Robertson and Crone gave fine efforts.   Maybe I expected too much.  
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: leg turk on January 14, 2017, 08:15:51 AM
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on January 14, 2017, 08:09:05 AM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 14, 2017, 08:06:22 AM
January 27th is not going to look so good for the Badgers! Penn State beat the crap out of Nebraska 27-14!

I smell an upset brewing!!


Lol, I'm betting they bring their jv team.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Huckfinn on January 14, 2017, 08:28:12 AM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 14, 2017, 08:06:22 AMLol, I'm betting they bring their jv team.

You could put all the starters on Penn State in prison, and they could still beat most Big Ten teams.   They might have to pull a few redshirts, but they would be competitive. 

That would be one heck of a prison wrestling club.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Micah on January 14, 2017, 09:01:56 AM
Quote from: BuckyMatRat on January 13, 2017, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: billymurphy on January 13, 2017, 10:52:12 PM
Everybody knows that Nebraska is very good this year.
And we all know that Jordan and Medbery are easily the best two guys on the team,
but I have been wondering who the third best guy on the team is and after tonight I
think I can say with confidence that it is Robertson.  And that is saying something
after last year wrestling like a Zombie from the Walking Dead tv show.  



He showed some grit and fight tonight.  He was the one guy tonight who you could see it in his face that he was disappponted as he walked off the mat and into the locker room.  He gave the #7 guy all he wanted. 

Don't be fooled by the Studebaker score.  Every match that guy wrestles is a one point win and usually goes into OT.   How did Robertson look against tOSU?  I think you have the same RR as last year and this match being close is more of a product of Studebaker's style.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on January 14, 2017, 09:16:33 AM
Quote from: Micah on January 14, 2017, 09:01:56 AM
Quote from: BuckyMatRat on January 13, 2017, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: billymurphy on January 13, 2017, 10:52:12 PM
Everybody knows that Nebraska is very good this year.
And we all know that Jordan and Medbery are easily the best two guys on the team,
but I have been wondering who the third best guy on the team is and after tonight I
think I can say with confidence that it is Robertson.  And that is saying something
after last year wrestling like a Zombie from the Walking Dead tv show.  



He showed some grit and fight tonight.  He was the one guy tonight who you could see it in his face that he was disappponted as he walked off the mat and into the locker room.  He gave the #7 guy all he wanted. 

Don't be fooled by the Studebaker score.  Every match that guy wrestles is a one point win and usually goes into OT.   How did Robertson look against tOSU?  I think you have the same RR as last year and this match being close is more of a product of Studebaker's style.

A few comments. Moore is ranked ahead of Studebaker. Against Moore, Robertson was down 5-3 in the 3rd period and gave up a 6 point move. It would have been a 2 point move - Rickey tried to tie the match. In my view, Robertson is right there with a little improvement.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Micah on January 14, 2017, 09:48:23 AM
I also think it is ridiculous that Nebraska did not wrestle their starter against Medbery.  Saving guys records for seeds needs to end.  Wish there was a way this could be regulated.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 14, 2017, 05:31:22 PM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 14, 2017, 07:29:30 AM
Quote from: Musky Hunter on January 13, 2017, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on January 13, 2017, 08:16:16 PM
This may rub some people the wrong way but there just is a wrestling style problem for UW or something.  Other teams score and run up the score against us and create some excitement and bonus points.  Jordan can be right up there with one of the most boring wrestlers. Howe was similar.  Win a lot but not very much exciting scoring power.

Crone is exciting.  We need to recruit guys that can score and push to take chances so they can win matches but also score big and pull off upsets.  

Is this just the philosophy of Barry Davis? Takedowns seem tough to come by

Zeke was 29-1 finishing 2nd in the nation.  If that is boring I will take boring all day long.  So you would rather have Crone?  Maybe edit what you wrote.  

Also they did have the up tempo kid in RT and he did not stay healthy.  Connor is in between.  I would take all three on my team.  
Why would Doc edit what he wrote when he was speaking the truth!?  You should be editing what you wrote.  Talking about last year stuff and referring to a guy that hasn't wrestled in almost 2 years. You said you would take all 3 of the guys you mentioned, but what about the 7 other weights!? I take it that your Badger love has you bla bla bla blinded! The issue is the team sucks as a whole and the top 2 individuals will not save the Badger program! Because they can't, because it is a staff issue!
Yea they suck. They are ranked #12 in the nation. They lost to one of the best teams in the nation. Did they look good? No.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: empty99 on January 14, 2017, 09:26:02 PM
Medberry and Zeke were competitive right from the start. Both did well at midlands in their true freshman year. We just are not getting those types of recruits, and the future doesn't look bright from the developing average talent side either. Imagine attendance with MSU type seasons. Is this where we are heading?
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 14, 2017, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: empty99 on January 14, 2017, 09:26:02 PM
Medberry and Zeke were competitive right from the start. Both did well at midlands in their true freshman year. We just are not getting those types of recruits, and the future doesn't look bright from the developing average talent side either. Imagine attendance with MSU type seasons. Is this where we are heading?
MSU has 1 ranked wrestler even without Jordan and Medberry we have 4 who will all be back next year. We are getting good recruits look at the Wicks brothers, Konrath, Covaciu, and Hilger. All highly ranked recruits. Evan took 4th as a true freshman. So???
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Ghetto on January 14, 2017, 10:00:03 PM
Wow. Let's pump the brakes a bit. MSU type seasons?

The Wicks are both gonna be AAs in their career for sure. You can put that in stone.

Crone was never on the national radar and is going to possibly make the NCAA tournament.

Jimenez just blasted the #3 guy in the nation. He did get beat by Lambert. Who is top 10.

Eli Stickley has put himself on the map, and so has Cole Martin. 157 is a weight where they are trying to find the guy. I am pretty sure Ruschell is injured.

Some folks have clearly forgotten a few years ago.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Musky Hunter on January 15, 2017, 02:17:19 AM
Keep it going Badgers!!!!
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 07:54:07 AM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 15, 2017, 12:30:30 AM
Wrastle63 I see you get silent when reality slaps you in the face and reminds you how bad the Badgers are! Now you are trying to convince us that they are a contender!  You really don't know what you are talking about! It's brutal watching you and the other delusionals posting false statements! Please quit it!
Sorry I have a thing called a life. Contenders for what? Are they going to win a trophy at NCAAS? No. Win big tens? No. But they don't suck.
Your like a middle school bully who thinks he's so tough. If you hate the Badgers so much then get off.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: badgerjohn on January 15, 2017, 08:59:56 AM
Quote from: Ghetto on January 14, 2017, 10:00:03 PM
Wow. Let's pump the brakes a bit. MSU type seasons?

The Wicks are both gonna be AAs in their career for sure. You can put that in stone.

Crone was never on the national radar and is going to possibly make the NCAA tournament.

Jimenez just blasted the #3 guy in the nation. He did get beat by Lambert. Who is top 10.

Eli Stickley has put himself on the map, and so has Cole Martin. 157 is a weight where they are trying to find the guy. I am pretty sure Ruschell is injured.

Some folks have clearly forgotten a few years ago.

A voice of reason ^^
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We all want a contender. How am I blinded? I gave you facts. They won't win a trophy but they will be a top 15 team. That means they don't suck like you say. The UW is on the rise. If you can't see that you are the one blinded. They are by no means perfect(attemdance, coaching, etc) but they are getting better(recruits, development, social media, depth of team).
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We all want a contender. How am I blinded? I gave you facts. They won't win a trophy but they will be a top 15 team. That means they don't suck like you say. The UW is on the rise. If you can't see that you are the one blinded. They are by no means perfect(attemdance, coaching, etc) but they are getting better(recruits, development, social media, depth of team).

No disrespect, but the Badgers are not on the rise.  They are, and will continue to be, mediocre at best, as long as Barry is in charge.  If you guys are ok with the team finishing 15th in the country, and 7th in the Big Tens, well then, they are right on track.  I for one would love to see us around 4th-8th in the country, and 3rd at Big Tens consistently, that could be doable, but not with Barry behind the wheel.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: BuckyMatt on January 15, 2017, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 15, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We all want a contender. How am I blinded? I gave you facts. They won't win a trophy but they will be a top 15 team. That means they don't suck like you say. The UW is on the rise. If you can't see that you are the one blinded. They are by no means perfect(attemdance, coaching, etc) but they are getting better(recruits, development, social media, depth of team).

No disrespect, but the Badgers are not on the rise.  They are, and will continue to be, mediocre at best, as long as Barry is in charge.  If you guys are ok with the team finishing 15th in the country, and 7th in the Big Tens, well then, they are right on track.  I for one would love to see us around 4th-8th in the country, and 3rd at Big Tens consistently, that could be doable, but not with Barry behind the wheel.
YESSSSS! And you are not disrespecting anyone Turk! You are being realistic and it's good on your heart and mind to be this way! Wisconsin needs a new captain!

Maybe you should apply! What were your coaching record/credentials?
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 15, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We all want a contender. How am I blinded? I gave you facts. They won't win a trophy but they will be a top 15 team. That means they don't suck like you say. The UW is on the rise. If you can't see that you are the one blinded. They are by no means perfect(attemdance, coaching, etc) but they are getting better(recruits, development, social media, depth of team).

No disrespect, but the Badgers are not on the rise.  They are, and will continue to be, mediocre at best, as long as Barry is in charge.  If you guys are ok with the team finishing 15th in the country, and 7th in the Big Tens, well then, they are right on track.  I for one would love to see us around 4th-8th in the country, and 3rd at Big Tens consistently, that could be doable, but not with Barry behind the wheel.
YESSSSS! And you are not disrespecting anyone Turk! You are being realistic and it's good on your heart and mind to be this way! Wisconsin needs a new captain!
Knight since you believe in flowrestling so much. Here are some facts. Wisconsin IS on the rise. Past recruiting rankings from flowrestling as a team- NR, 20, NR, NR, 14, 18. 2 ranked classes in a row which is why we have better depth. Our finishes at Big Tens- 12, 10, 7, 8, and 8. Our finishes at NCAAs- 41, 27, 16, 17, and 23. Flowrestling.org has us ranked at #12. Which would put us 7th in Big Tens. Illinois is ahead of us which I don't see anyway they place ahead of us because they don't have as solid a roster as we do. We will be top 6 in Big Tens and top 15 in NCAAS. Am I happy with that? No. But we are on the rise. 
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Barou on January 15, 2017, 12:01:45 PM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 15, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We all want a contender. How am I blinded? I gave you facts. They won't win a trophy but they will be a top 15 team. That means they don't suck like you say. The UW is on the rise. If you can't see that you are the one blinded. They are by no means perfect(attemdance, coaching, etc) but they are getting better(recruits, development, social media, depth of team).

No disrespect, but the Badgers are not on the rise.  They are, and will continue to be, mediocre at best, as long as Barry is in charge.  If you guys are ok with the team finishing 15th in the country, and 7th in the Big Tens, well then, they are right on track.  I for one would love to see us around 4th-8th in the country, and 3rd at Big Tens consistently, that could be doable, but not with Barry behind the wheel.
YESSSSS! And you are not disrespecting anyone Turk! You are being realistic and it's good on your heart and mind to be this way! Wisconsin needs a new captain!

Exactly! Most of us understand that we can't be ok st or Iowa but is it not realistic to be like Missouri, Cornell, etc and on the rise like nc state and va tech? Never, not one time during Barry's tenure has he fielded a team that was even in the conversation for a national title. Not once! This is a peak year for bd and they might finish 8th probably finish 13th. Might have 3 aa's probably 2. Could have two national finalists probably 1. Thinking medberry is a 2nd and Jordan a 4th. Next year uw will be back to Davis' average place 18th.

This might be Barry's best team and this is a down year for Minnesota with an interim head coach and uw may still lose.

Doesn't really matter because Alvarez doesn't care. I for one think uw wrestling has great potential and would be a very appealing position. Reality is it is Davis' job as long as he wants it.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Ivan Stankowski on January 15, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 15, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We all want a contender. How am I blinded? I gave you facts. They won't win a trophy but they will be a top 15 team. That means they don't suck like you say. The UW is on the rise. If you can't see that you are the one blinded. They are by no means perfect(attemdance, coaching, etc) but they are getting better(recruits, development, social media, depth of team).

No disrespect, but the Badgers are not on the rise.  They are, and will continue to be, mediocre at best, as long as Barry is in charge.  If you guys are ok with the team finishing 15th in the country, and 7th in the Big Tens, well then, they are right on track.  I for one would love to see us around 4th-8th in the country, and 3rd at Big Tens consistently, that could be doable, but not with Barry behind the wheel.
YESSSSS! And you are not disrespecting anyone Turk! You are being realistic and it's good on your heart and mind to be this way! Wisconsin needs a new captain!
Knight since you believe in flowrestling so much. Here are some facts. Wisconsin IS on the rise. Past recruiting rankings from flowrestling as a team- NR, 20, NR, NR, 14, 18. 2 ranked classes in a row which is why we have better depth. Our finishes at Big Tens- 12, 10, 7, 8, and 8. Our finishes at NCAAs- 41, 27, 16, 17, and 23. Flowrestling.org has us ranked at #12. Which would put us 7th in Big Tens. Illinois is ahead of us which I don't see anyway they place ahead of us because they don't have as solid a roster as we do. We will be top 6 in Big Tens and top 15 in NCAAS. Am I happy with that? No. But we are on the rise. 

Based on What? Recruiting class don't always equal on the rise!! The results you post look pretty stagnate to me
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: dad 2 5 on January 15, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
I look at this weekend like this. We pulled off couple wins we were down and to get a third would have been asking a lot. I think the Badgers are improving and there is a lot to look forward to this year. I of course would like the Badgers to win and become dominate but that most likely not going to happen. What can happen is we can continue to have a couple AA a year and be in the running for a champion (Medberry and Zeke this year)
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 15, 2017, 04:22:09 PM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on January 15, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
I look at this weekend like this. We pulled off couple wins we were down and to get a third would have been asking a lot. I think the Badgers are improving and there is a lot to look forward to this year. I of course would like the Badgers to win and become dominate but that most likely not going to happen. What can happen is we can continue to have a couple AA a year and be in the running for a champion (Medberry and Zeke this year)
This is typical Badger love blinding fans! So used to losing that they are willing to be this bad! Everyone read this and think about it without coming up with some crazy excuse!  ::)
Where was the excuse? He said they lost. Lol
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: BuckyMatt on January 15, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 15, 2017, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: BuckyMatt on January 15, 2017, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 15, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Quote from: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We all want a contender. How am I blinded? I gave you facts. They won't win a trophy but they will be a top 15 team. That means they don't suck like you say. The UW is on the rise. If you can't see that you are the one blinded. They are by no means perfect(attemdance, coaching, etc) but they are getting better(recruits, development, social media, depth of team).

No disrespect, but the Badgers are not on the rise.  They are, and will continue to be, mediocre at best, as long as Barry is in charge.  If you guys are ok with the team finishing 15th in the country, and 7th in the Big Tens, well then, they are right on track.  I for one would love to see us around 4th-8th in the country, and 3rd at Big Tens consistently, that could be doable, but not with Barry behind the wheel.
YESSSSS! And you are not disrespecting anyone Turk! You are being realistic and it's good on your heart and mind to be this way! Wisconsin needs a new captain!

Maybe you should apply! What were your coaching record/credentials?
The same as yours!
Touché Frank,
And to be clear, I am not a Barry fan, I think we need a new coach to build excitement and stop the embarrassing/non acceptable outputs(only two wrestlers with offensive points against Neb). However, you can be anti Barry and call for change without being so confrontational with those that have differing opinions)
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 06:12:14 PM
Yea I'll listen TJ Ruschell sucks, the Badgers suck, everyone who cheers for them is delusional.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: oldfan on January 15, 2017, 08:33:12 PM
Knight ,

Really , WTH is our problem  . take it up with the other Barry "King Barry"  why would a very good wrestler in Jordan look up to Barry the coach , clowns like you are comical .

Gerald Walsh
Greenfield 1971
Currently Oak Creek
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Numbers on January 15, 2017, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:22:11 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We all want a contender. How am I blinded? I gave you facts. They won't win a trophy but they will be a top 15 team. That means they don't suck like you say. The UW is on the rise. If you can't see that you are the one blinded. They are by no means perfect(attemdance, coaching, etc) but they are getting better(recruits, development, social media, depth of team).

No disrespect, but the Badgers are not on the rise.  They are, and will continue to be, mediocre at best, as long as Barry is in charge.  If you guys are ok with the team finishing 15th in the country, and 7th in the Big Tens, well then, they are right on track.  I for one would love to see us around 4th-8th in the country, and 3rd at Big Tens consistently, that could be doable, but not with Barry behind the wheel.

Well the Badgers have not been top 10 in a while.  Barry has the program consistently in the 12-15 range at NCAA's.  Some years the team gets to the single digit rankings, some years outside the top 15.  Not a "great" top to bottom team, but a team that consistently produces a few all-americans a year.  That is better than 75%-80% of D1.

If the Knight dude moved to Indiana, he could complain about the Purdue and Indiana Big 10 programs.  He thinks the Badger program is underachieving :o

Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 09:10:17 PM
Well finish higher than Rutgers at NCAAS I'd bet on that.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 09:33:05 PM
What you got in mind. You went 0- 2 in Manny dual. Want to make it 3? Haha
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 15, 2017, 09:44:42 PM
And how are you gonna pay me?
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
Badgers beating Rutgers at the NCAA's?  Lol, now that's good stuff.  Are you serious?
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: hammen on January 16, 2017, 07:02:09 AM
Quote from: leg turk on January 15, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
Badgers beating Rutgers at the NCAA's?  Lol, now that's good stuff.  Are you serious?

Are you serious? I would be surprised if Rutgers got within 10 points of the Badgers at NCAA's.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 16, 2017, 07:30:39 AM
I'll take 100. Also you can't use the word delusional on this board again. haha
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: bigG on January 16, 2017, 09:53:11 AM
All y'all's a bunch o' nuts!!!
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Ivan Stankowski on January 16, 2017, 12:46:23 PM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 16, 2017, 12:41:29 PM
I'm taking a chance with Rutgers 5 guys to the Badgers 6, but I saved enough money to lose a hundred if I lose! I'm counting on 2 badgers going 0 and 2 , so I'm feeling 75 percent good about this wager! Now we got to figure out where to meet to pay the winner.  I'm a Madison resident and can go pretty much anywhere in the area.  And preferably a populated area so I don't get lynched by the blinded! ;D

Rocky how you been, I missed you!!
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: wrastle63 on January 16, 2017, 12:57:24 PM
I will be in Madison for youth state the following weekend to collect my money. :)
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: woody53 on January 16, 2017, 04:13:26 PM
My head is starting to hurt with all of this !
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Ivan Stankowski on January 17, 2017, 06:29:37 AM
Quote from: woody53 on January 16, 2017, 04:13:26 PM
My head is starting to hurt with all of this !


My head started spinning after page 3 when "Rocky" hijacked the thread!!
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: aarons23 on January 17, 2017, 06:37:51 AM
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on January 17, 2017, 06:29:37 AM
Quote from: woody53 on January 16, 2017, 04:13:26 PM
My head is starting to hurt with all of this !


My head started spinning after page 3 when "Rocky" hijacked the thread!!

Its not Rocky....
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Houndhead on January 17, 2017, 08:28:21 AM
The Rock is an Angry Fish, he wouldn't use a lame name like Knight/Purgolder.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: Ghetto on January 17, 2017, 09:47:52 AM
Quote from: Houndhead on January 17, 2017, 08:28:21 AM
The Rock is an Angry Fish, he wouldn't use a lame name like Knight/Purgolder.

Exactly.

And his jabs would be much more entertaining.
Title: Re: Nebraska 1-13-17
Post by: imwi on January 17, 2017, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: knight/purgolder on January 17, 2017, 04:04:31 PM
Sorry to disappoint you guys! Maybe I'll use some more creativity in my posts for now on. And everyone is wrong on who I am.

Pretty sure you are the guy that won't let his daughter wrestle