Good choice... ;)
Quote from: maggie on March 26, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
Good choice... ;)
umm what this is old old news but you are so sheltered you had to wait for the Union news letter to find this out? ::)
by the way the Unions are allot like the NRA in fact so much so it is funny......brotherhood, fight together for the good it's members, helping to mold policy and law for the benefit of the members........ummm so maybe the NRA is not so bad unless you feel the same way about Unions........ ;D
They should be paid the same amount as a research assistant. Lots of colleges get lots of Big Pharmy money and pay their research assistants. I think that would be fair.
Huh. I never got a pension and better pay and insurance from joining the NRA. Quite dissimilar ramjet, but keep living in your pretend world.
Quote from: Handles II on March 26, 2014, 09:37:29 PM
Huh. I never got a pension and better pay and insurance from joining the NRA. Quite dissimilar ramjet, but keep living in your pretend world.
I never got better pay from joining a union, I got better pay working for a non union company. Their tactics and philosophies are almost identical, Handles, it's a great example. Nothing pretend about it. Unions lobby and support democrats, NRA lobby and support Republicans. (There are exceptions to the rule for both...but a good summary of the two) Thanks Ramjet for making the comparison. Maybe it will open some really closed minds on here.
Quote from: wraslfan on March 26, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
Quote from: Handles II on March 26, 2014, 09:37:29 PM
Huh. I never got a pension and better pay and insurance from joining the NRA. Quite dissimilar ramjet, but keep living in your pretend world.
I never got better pay from joining a union, I got better pay working for a non union company. Their tactics and philosophies are almost identical, Handles, it's a great example. Nothing pretend about it. Unions lobby and support democrats, NRA lobby and support Republicans. (There are exceptions to the rule for both...but a good summary of the two) Thanks Ramjet for making the comparison. Maybe it will open some really closed minds on here.
But you would never get any pay from joining the NRA fan, so once again, quite dissimilar.
Quote from: Handles II on March 26, 2014, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: wraslfan on March 26, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
Quote from: Handles II on March 26, 2014, 09:37:29 PM
Huh. I never got a pension and better pay and insurance from joining the NRA. Quite dissimilar ramjet, but keep living in your pretend world.
I never got better pay from joining a union, I got better pay working for a non union company. Their tactics and philosophies are almost identical, Handles, it's a great example. Nothing pretend about it. Unions lobby and support democrats, NRA lobby and support Republicans. (There are exceptions to the rule for both...but a good summary of the two) Thanks Ramjet for making the comparison. Maybe it will open some really closed minds on here.
But you would never get any pay from joining the NRA fan, so once again, quite dissimilar.
You pay your union to represent you, Handles pays the NRA to represent him. Perfect example. NRA sends 90% of their money to republicans, Unions send 90% of their money to democrats. Another prefect comparison. The NRA is much cheaper thant a union, it's all relative.
Quote from: MarkK on March 26, 2014, 09:36:52 PM
They should be paid the same amount as a research assistant. Lots of colleges get lots of Big Pharmy money and pay their research assistants. I think that would be fair.
My contention has always been that if we are goung to keep our current colege athletic system, college athletes should be paid like other work study students who provide services to the University. Maybe in lieu of scholsrships?
This won't be good for wrestling.
Quote from: ramjet on March 26, 2014, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: maggie on March 26, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
Good choice... ;)
umm what this is old old news but you are so sheltered you had to wait for the Union news letter to find this out? ::)
by the way the Unions are allot like the NRA in fact so much so it is funny......brotherhood, fight together for the good it's members, helping to mold policy and law for the benefit of the members........ummm so maybe the NRA is not so bad unless you feel the same way about Unions........ ;D
NRA is a lobby. Unions are groups of workers; not just lovers of a particular hobby or hardware.
I know this post falls on your deaf ears; but people who can't differentiate a lobby from a union must be a little out of whack. I guess it's redundant to say. :)
I never heard all this brotherhood crap my entire time in the union. But, keep comparing apples to mushrooms. It is entertaining.
Nothing against the NRA; but hobby v. work is a big difference.
Quote from: Handles II on March 26, 2014, 09:37:29 PM
Huh. I never got a pension and better pay and insurance from joining the NRA. Quite dissimilar ramjet, but keep living in your pretend world.
I get all sorts of benefits and just like Unions the NRA is politically issue driven organization with lobbyists.
ummm the parallel is uncanny really.
Quote from: bigG on March 27, 2014, 06:41:54 AM
Quote from: ramjet on March 26, 2014, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: maggie on March 26, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
Good choice... ;)
umm what this is old old news but you are so sheltered you had to wait for the Union news letter to find this out? ::)
by the way the Unions are allot like the NRA in fact so much so it is funny......brotherhood, fight together for the good it's members, helping to mold policy and law for the benefit of the members........ummm so maybe the NRA is not so bad unless you feel the same way about Unions........ ;D
NRA is a lobby. Unions are groups of workers; not just lovers of a particular hobby or hardware.
I know this post falls on your deaf ears; but people who can't differentiate a lobby from a union must be a little out of whack. I guess it's redundant to say. :)
I never heard all this brotherhood crap my entire time in the union. But, keep comparing apples to mushrooms. It is entertaining.
Nothing against the NRA; but hobby v. work is a big difference.
oh so wrong G the NRA supports many many many 100,000 of hard working folks who's rights would have been stripped by politicians economic impact of the shooting and gun industries is huge this brotherhood of like thinking folks has strength in numbers and it's membership............brotherhood
BigG, unions are certainly as big a lobbiests as the NRA. I would guess a lot more money goes to the democrat party from unions than the NRA gives to republicans. I get what you are saying, but there are many similiarities as well. Just from opposite ends of the political spectrum.
Quote from: wraslfan on March 27, 2014, 06:55:00 AM
BigG, unions are certainly as big a lobbiests as the NRA. I would guess a lot more money goes to the democrat party from unions than the NRA gives to republicans. I get what you are saying, but there are many similiarities as well. Just from opposite ends of the political spectrum.
well Fan actually my Union gives to both parties any politician that supports the ideals and best interest of our brotherhood.
Did you Fan that my Organization actually provides training and safety training for its members and families they make the work place safer by providing training that financed through membership dues....... ;D
Lol...common fan, tell me what you did non union that paid you more than a union pays it's workers...I don't happen to believe ya... :)
Quote from: maggie on March 27, 2014, 07:07:14 AM
Lol...common fan, tell me what you did non union that paid you more than a union pays it's workers...I don't happen to believe ya... :)
did ya know that membership benefits include scholarships hotel discounts gun insurance and many other member benefits. The NRA like other brotherhood organizations has annual Convention where the brotherhood elects its representatives?
It's great to be part of a strong brotherhood and organization of like thinking members.
Btw, the ticket prices to games will make the student sections dwindle. If my tax.money goes.to pay athlete salaries I will be ticked. When that happens id favor making all sports club programs at the college level put the school emphasis back on teaching and let the clubs pay the.athlete out of gate receipts corporate sponsors donors and media revenue. Im not willing to see our kids take.on school debt that subsidizes athletes. That will happen. If they arent self sustaining get rid.of them. The title nine implications of this are going to be impossible to work out as well. And im not saying it shouldnt be. But a womens basketball player will demand.a title.nine enabled comensorate salary as a male basketball player. All athletes will demand the same.salary. the kid in the rowing.team will have to be paid the same as the football player. Im not paying for that. The tennis player the swimmer the gymnast the baseball player and the how about the flute player in the band or the painter showing their.paintings in the university artgallery or the.pianist giving a concert or the actor in the schools annual productiin of Hamlet?
I'd demand more than the other guy... ;)
Quote from: MarkK on March 27, 2014, 07:16:30 AM
Btw, the ticket prices to games will make the student sections dwindle. If my tax.money goes.to pay athlete salaries I will be ticked. When that happens id favor making all sports club programs at the college level put the school emphasis back on teaching and let the clubs pay the.athlete out of gate receipts corporate sponsors donors and media revenue. Im not willing to see our kids take.on school debt that subsidizes athletes. That will happen. If they arent self sustaining get rid.of them. The title nine implications of this are going to be impossible to work out as well. And im not saying it shouldnt be. But a womens basketball player will demand.a title.nine enabled comensorate salary as a male basketball player. All athletes will demand the same.salary. the kid in the rowing.team will have to be paid the same as the football player. Im not paying for that. The tennis player the swimmer the gymnast the baseball player and the how about the flute player in the band or the painter showing their.paintings in the university artgallery or the.pianist giving a concert or the actor in the schools annual productiin of Hamlet?
great points MarkK in fact participation in collegiate sports is voluntary and an amateur sport every student has a choice as to participate.
Quote from: maggie on March 27, 2014, 07:20:56 AM
I'd demand more than the other guy... ;)
Maggie did you know that NEA sends out a magazines to its membership that covers a wide variety of topics aimed at the best interest of the members........so does my organization .......wow the parallels are just uncanny
Quote from: maggie on March 27, 2014, 07:07:14 AM
Lol...common fan, tell me what you did non union that paid you more than a union pays it's workers...I don't happen to believe ya... :)
I drove truck. Look it up, there are two major carriers that are non union and pay above union wages.
Look it up? Just tell me..wth... :) did ya haul cars and trucks? :)
the Students have the right to vote on this however this could open a huge can o worms would that mean you are paying income tax on a $250,000 scholarship?
again tough choice if they choose to Unionize compensation should be taxed.
the reason for this has been stated as a fight for medical coverage for athletes....
again participation is voluntary if I MTB on weekends that's my choice and medical bills if I get injured are my responsibility.
if as they say they are paid for participation then they owe allot of taxes .............
so they have right to Unionize and if they choose tomI hope they understand the totality of that choice......
.here's to ya fan... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SCQMFnaIEEc&feature=kp
Quote from: bigG on March 27, 2014, 06:41:54 AM
Quote from: ramjet on March 26, 2014, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: maggie on March 26, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
Good choice... ;)
umm what this is old old news but you are so sheltered you had to wait for the Union news letter to find this out? ::)
by the way the Unions are allot like the NRA in fact so much so it is funny......brotherhood, fight together for the good it's members, helping to mold policy and law for the benefit of the members........ummm so maybe the NRA is not so bad unless you feel the same way about Unions........ ;D
NRA is a lobby. Unions are groups of workers; not just lovers of a particular hobby or hardware.
I know this post falls on your deaf ears; but people who can't differentiate a lobby from a union must be a little out of whack. I guess it's redundant to say. :)
I never heard all this brotherhood crap my entire time in the union. But, keep comparing apples to mushrooms. It is entertaining.
Nothing against the NRA; but hobby v. work is a big difference.
Great post BigG. 100% correct. Those wanting to pretend that they are the same are simply doing that, pretending. BTW I sent you a PM a few days ago, did you get it? Hit me back.
And while you goof folks argue about the benefit of unions and how they should be perceived, the NCAA is a perilous step closer to dropping wrestling.
This is not an argument about pros and cons of unions, instead, it is a discussion regarding who gets the gains of trade. It is an economic discussion. The union is just a vehicle.
I suggest that as NCAA football and basketball players take more gains of trade, the non - revenue generating sports will be forced out.
Quote from: Dale Einerson on March 27, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
I suggest that as NCAA football and basketball players take more gains of trade, the non - revenue generating sports will be forced out.
I agree with you on this Dale. There would need to be some type of option that if you get paid (depending on how that is done), your scholarship money is gone and goes to a non-revenue sport. As it is, head-count scholarship sports that are non revenue generating or at least not profit generating, are what is swallowing up athletic departments. That, and some very shady A.D.s in some cases, are hurting our sport more than anything.
One bonus is that I've seen quite a few NJ, NAIA, and D3 levels schools adding our sport across the nation in the past few years. -
Related: Winona State is having a big push right now as their club team has been successful for about 8 years, and it's time to take it to the next level (d2 for them). Administrators at WSU don't currently believe that there would be enough interest/talent in the area to support wrestling (even though Section 1 in which WSU is located is THE best and deepest section in the state). If any of you want to become bandwagon jumpers, contact Larry Marchionda, he's collecting letters and emails so send to WSU. Please do so asap.
Quote from: wraslfan on March 27, 2014, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: maggie on March 27, 2014, 07:07:14 AM
Lol...common fan, tell me what you did non union that paid you more than a union pays it's workers...I don't happen to believe ya... :)
I drove truck. Look it up, there are two major carriers that are non union and pay above union wages.
So, if there was no union companies for them to compete with, what do you think would happen to the level of wage offered by them?
Quote from: Handles II on March 27, 2014, 09:26:45 AM
Quote from: bigG on March 27, 2014, 06:41:54 AM
Quote from: ramjet on March 26, 2014, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: maggie on March 26, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
Good choice... ;)
umm what this is old old news but you are so sheltered you had to wait for the Union news letter to find this out? ::)
by the way the Unions are allot like the NRA in fact so much so it is funny......brotherhood, fight together for the good it's members, helping to mold policy and law for the benefit of the members........ummm so maybe the NRA is not so bad unless you feel the same way about Unions........ ;D
NRA is a lobby. Unions are groups of workers; not just lovers of a particular hobby or hardware.
I know this post falls on your deaf ears; but people who can't differentiate a lobby from a union must be a little out of whack. I guess it's redundant to say. :)
I never heard all this brotherhood crap my entire time in the union. But, keep comparing apples to mushrooms. It is entertaining.
Nothing against the NRA; but hobby v. work is a big difference.
Great post BigG. 100% correct. Those wanting to pretend that they are the same are simply doing that, pretending. BTW I sent you a PM a few days ago, did you get it? Hit me back.
handles the parallels are to obvious for even you to dispute.....
Quote from: Dale Einerson on March 27, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
And while you goof folks argue about the benefit of unions and how they should be perceived, the NCAA is a perilous step closer to dropping wrestling.
This is not an argument about pros and cons of unions, instead, it is a discussion regarding who gets the gains of trade. It is an economic discussion. The union is just a vehicle.
I suggest that as NCAA football and basketball players take more gains of trade, the non - revenue generating sports will be forced out.
do you have any suggestions other than some of the obvious?
Quote from: imnofish on March 27, 2014, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: wraslfan on March 27, 2014, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: maggie on March 27, 2014, 07:07:14 AM
Lol...common fan, tell me what you did non union that paid you more than a union pays it's workers...I don't happen to believe ya... :)
I drove truck. Look it up, there are two major carriers that are non union and pay above union wages.
So, if there was no union companies for them to compete with, what do you think would happen to the level of wage offered by them?
I have been on record numerous times acknowledging that. I have soured to unions only lately, although still symathetic to the union worker. Hard to balme them for the stupidity of their union heads.
Getting back to the original topic, I totally disagree with the unionization of college athletes. Too much potential for unintended, negative, ripple effects throughout the athletic and academic funding systems upon which these institutions rely. If the kid is getting a scholarship, that should be enough compensation. If not, then they are involved for the joy of participation. Whether or not an athlete's individual circumstance makes that participation worthwhile is up the him/her. Turning athletes into employees runs contrary to the original intent of college attendance. Once again, greed infused into a system will increase the potential for the system's subversion and ultimate implosion, IMO.
I agree that players should not unionize! They are in fact getting "paid" by receiving scholarship money. I would like to see all schools having the ability to offer scholarship money for athletics (DIII schools).
I agree with that last statement, dman. Why should only DI kids get scholarships? Hardly seems fair...
Quote from: dman on March 27, 2014, 02:55:10 PM
I agree that players should not unionize! They are in fact getting "paid" by receiving scholarship money. I would like to see all schools having the ability to offer scholarship money for athletics (DIII schools).
Money!!! Just image what your local D3 school would cost if they gave scholarships out. Upgrade in fields, gyms and cost to attend.
While every one thinks that getting a 250,000 dollar scholarship is the cats complete behind, which is a nice deal, the NCAA limits outside work and what those scholarship athletes can do and not do.
Summer jobs, well tough to get that extra cash when your playing your sports all week and for hours at a time.
It is not like the Brian Bosworth days in Oklahoma well at least at some schools.
Those scholarship athletes are basically property of the school which can be a tough deal. Though I will agree that they are getting a free education and hopefully those scholar athletes are taking full use of it.
One thing that is good about smaller schools not offering athletic scholarships is that there is a greater chance of education being the top priority.
Quote from: imnofish on March 28, 2014, 12:29:43 AM
One thing that is good about smaller schools not offering athletic scholarships is that there is a greater chance of education being the top priority.
As it should be right? See we can agree on some things reaching across the isle Fish what great way to go into the weekend hey................................... ;D
Quote from: imnofish on March 27, 2014, 06:58:40 PM
I agree with that last statement, dman. Why should only DI kids get scholarships? Hardly seems fair...
Ramjet,
D2 and Division 1 schools in the NJCAA can give scholarships. Private schools in D3 can give scholarships.
I was watching ESPN last night and they were discussing this topic. One point that made sense was that, instead of paying the athletes, colleges should be improving the scholarships they offer these kids. I could get behind that.
Quote from: Handles II on March 28, 2014, 10:43:27 AM
Quote from: imnofish on March 27, 2014, 06:58:40 PM
I agree with that last statement, dman. Why should only DI kids get scholarships? Hardly seems fair...
Ramjet,
D2 and Division 1 schools in the NJCAA can give scholarships. Private schools in D3 can give scholarships.
I know that, but had a brain fart and responded inaccurately. :P
Where in the heck is Nat Pope?! This is right in his wheelhouse.
I know it's too late in the proverbial game to make this happen, but I don't think any school should offer athletic-based scholarships.
Quote from: bigG on March 30, 2014, 09:53:04 AM
Where in the heck is Nat Pope?! This is right in his wheelhouse.
I know it's too late in the proverbial game to make this happen, but I don't think any school should offer athletic-based scholarships.
I don't follow that thought. Wouldn't that take away tremendous opportunities away from many who would otherwise be unable to afford or go into severe debt? While my general rule is Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson are wrong, I'm pretty sure they would be against this and I can't seem to see a reason to disagree with them. Wouldn't this disproportionately effect minorities?
I'd be happy with better scholarships all around not just for athletes
Quote from: MarkK on March 30, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
I'd be happy with better scholarships all around not just for athletes
Great point, Mark. I look at the debt that good students are racking up today and it makes me sad.
Doesn't have to be hefty debt. Sounds like your daughter figured it out, Fish. My Valedictorian is going affordable and will kick tail!
There are unreal deals in WI public education. I know, our tax dollars should pay for unaccountable education. It can also pay for the real deal. Even Scott can see that. He'll claim the idea as his own; but WI has opportunity. One teacher candidate per year, the last four years , here. Money's on the trades right now. The pendulum will swing and MN will be ahead. Just predicting. Just remember, we used to compete with MN and IA (even beat them them regularly). If we come out ahead, I'll eat my words. It'll be the fault of the public schools if we lose, though; so it's perfect bet for those experts in education; and bad for us dopes who just work there.
To be a cop , about $4k. Surgical tech. $7k. Licensed carpenter, 3-4$k, HVAC, the same. We offer good value here. Should offer more $$, and that will make up for the gap between us and MN. That and bonuses for the best teachers. That ,and- the many tools our governor has offered us, should put us over the top. Right?
Watch and see. I'll keep thumpin', like Ghetto; knowing full well those self-proclaimed are our superiors; and we know nothing to them. I spent last night with such parents. All experts. Yes, GOP addicted to rainbows and unicorns; like the hippies. What will happen if we get thumped by liberal hippies? Float further right?
Probably wouldn't hurt if we floated to some real right, and not GOP right. That's what dinks it up. Won't happen until the right goes right and not GOP; and Dems decide they're crew is a puppet show.
Yes, technical college is a great value, which both of my kids discovered. Some kids were meant to do jobs that require different (and more costly) training, though. We need people in those careers, too, so helping them afford it will benefit us all. One thing I think we need is more financial assistance from those who will be hiring them. Need more engineers? Then invest in cultivating them!
You still didn't answer why no athletic scholarships but you did get a good jab in.
Quote from: howavi on March 30, 2014, 09:45:14 PM
You still didn't answer why no athletic scholarships but you did get a good jab in.
I'm cool if the athlete has the scholar side covered.
I think many programs justify scholarship athletes.
Be nice to see a bit more of that love for more scholars, though, than just athletes.
It could easily be argued, though, that certain athletes make more money for the U; so there ya go.
Quote from: bigG on March 31, 2014, 06:10:43 AM
Quote from: howavi on March 30, 2014, 09:45:14 PM
You still didn't answer why no athletic scholarships but you did get a good jab in.
I'm cool if the athlete has the scholar side covered.
I think many programs justify scholarship athletes.
Be nice to see a bit more of that love for more scholars, though, than just athletes.
It could easily be argued, though, that certain athletes make more money for the U; so there ya go.
I agree with G here my daughter had to work hard and shop around allot to get the recognition of being in the top 1% in the Nation on her College entrance exams (yes she only took it once) but alas UW Oshkosh came to the table helped out some and she will graduate next year with zero debt. But Colleges do far less for academic achievement than sports and it is sad to see on many levels.
Quote from: ramjet on March 31, 2014, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: bigG on March 31, 2014, 06:10:43 AM
Quote from: howavi on March 30, 2014, 09:45:14 PM
You still didn't answer why no athletic scholarships but you did get a good jab in.
I'm cool if the athlete has the scholar side covered.
I think many programs justify scholarship athletes.
Be nice to see a bit more of that love for more scholars, though, than just athletes.
It could easily be argued, though, that certain athletes make more money for the U; so there ya go.
I agree with G here my daughter had to work hard and shop around allot to get the recognition of being in the top 1% in the Nation on her College entrance exams (yes she only took it once) but alas UW Oshkosh came to the table helped out some and she will graduate next year with zero debt. But Colleges do far less for academic achievement than sports and it is sad to see on many levels.
I agree. Seems that the funding sources have pretty much dried up for that, over the past 30 years. It's great that your daughter was able to find someone willing to work it out, as she obviously deserved it. Personally, I'd like to see more employer investment in these students, rather than throwing short-term money at guest workers from around the world.
Quote from: imnofish on March 31, 2014, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: ramjet on March 31, 2014, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: bigG on March 31, 2014, 06:10:43 AM
Quote from: howavi on March 30, 2014, 09:45:14 PM
You still didn't answer why no athletic scholarships but you did get a good jab in.
I'm cool if the athlete has the scholar side covered.
I think many programs justify scholarship athletes.
Be nice to see a bit more of that love for more scholars, though, than just athletes.
It could easily be argued, though, that certain athletes make more money for the U; so there ya go.
I agree with G here my daughter had to work hard and shop around allot to get the recognition of being in the top 1% in the Nation on her College entrance exams (yes she only took it once) but alas UW Oshkosh came to the table helped out some and she will graduate next year with zero debt. But Colleges do far less for academic achievement than sports and it is sad to see on many levels.
I agree. Seems that the funding sources have pretty much dried up for that, over the past 30 years. It's great that your daughter was able to find someone willing to work it out, as she obviously deserved it. Personally, I'd like to see more employer investment in these students, rather than throwing short-term money at guest workers from around the world.
There are many programs it takes a commitment from the student to work for those companies for period of time in order for them to recoup (Mnbadger ;)) the investment.
Academic Excellence Scholarship is prime example of the program gutted of money and now although the title is very rewarding what was once a free ride for four years in Wisconsin College is watered down to $2500.00 year yes its nice to have that but how did we go from trying to keep the brightest and best in the State to not really caring about what they can give back by staying in our State and going to the Wisconsin Colleges. (before anyone jumps on Walker on this the degradation of funds started before Walker) Now that said I give Oshkosh great credit for stepping it up and helping those who are achieving academically.
WI Covenant is another.
You're right, though, Academic excellence should be a full ride to a state school , IMHO. Gotta reward excellence.
Props to Oshkosh. I notice, in my neck, little private Viterbo does an amazing job of luring the excellent and hooking up with business and other placement to get young adults ready for real-world experiences.
This is not at all a Walker issue. I'll say, our education in WI keeps falling; little by little. I do worry about our prowess.
I find the technical college system has really upped its game; though at taxpayers' expense. I have no problem paying taxes for something that gives back, though.
My daughter-in-law earned the Academic Excellence Scholarship. It paid her tuition, but not her books, room and board, etc. Never was a free ride.
Quote from: bigG on March 31, 2014, 04:25:45 PM
WI Covenant is another.
You're right, though, Academic excellence should be a full ride to a state school , IMHO. Gotta reward excellence.
Props to Oshkosh. I notice, in my neck, little private Viterbo does an amazing job of luring the excellent and hooking up with business and other placement to get young adults ready for real-world experiences.
This is not at all a Walker issue. I'll say, our education in WI keeps falling; little by little. I do worry about our prowess.
I find the technical college system has really upped its game; though at taxpayers' expense. I have no problem paying taxes for something that gives back, though.
I find no issue with some tax dollars going to tech schools or even Public Schools as long as there is accountability. Much of what we argue about would be gone if the Evers Funding plan was adapted.
You are correct it should be free ride and Fish what you a are not taking into account is that many of the Colleges would throw in room and board to the recipients that went there college. I did not state that so thats my bad but that was part of my free ride scenario...Oshgosh did some of this for my Daughter and it helped her and it helper her brother because of the money she saved he gets a free ride as longs the grades are at level that we determined.
I agree about the Evers plan, or even a variation, so the GOP Messiah could take credit. There are other, much more pressing issues, though.
We just had a voucher school (Milwaukee) hit the road quick because they were allowed to exist sans accountability. I thought you were for vouchers. You're smarter than that. I just don't get that about you.
Just want great academic kids to have opportunity, good trade kids to have opportunity, etc. Let the hardest workers prevail. Gotta grow up sometime.
At the university level, I suppose D1 needs it's money makers. This is why I delight when great scholar athletes can love their sport and be offered college opportunities without being owned.
This past year I've watched fewer pro sports on TV and replaced them with live HS and college action in my area. Much more fulfilling.
If elite college athletes unionize, I'm outie. Pro football, great. That's their profession.
I guess we're lucky in WI to have so many nice smaller schools. MN and Iowa, too.
Big Ten Monday mailbag
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By Brian Bennett | ESPN.com
I'm currently driving around Michigan, getting a close-up look at the Wolverines and Spartans this spring. I still found a little time during my Mitten State adventure to answer a few of your emails in this shortened mailbag. Keep those questions coming, and I'll try to do a longer one on Wednesday.
Iowatvman from Cedar Rapids writes: With the vote to allow players to unionize, how does this affect Title IX at the universities? Now that they have to pay out for football, which pays for many other sports, will women's rowing, wrestling, men's and women's gynmastics, etc. go by the wayside?
Brian Bennett: It's important to note that the ruling by the Chicago district of the National Labor Relations Board applies only to Northwestern football players, and it specifically dealt with issues at a private university. Also, Kain Colter and CAPA have stressed that they didn't push for unionization in order to receive salaries. They have said they're looking for the right to bargain for their practice and living conditions and receive medical care protections, not to get paid.
Still, you'd have to think that eventually any college players' union would get around to asking for a bit more of the financial pie, and even some of the medical benefits the Northwestern effort seeks would cost money. There seems to be little reason why a non-revenue sport at Northwestern or another private school also couldn't petition for a union and use this ruling as a precedent, especially because those athletes also spend so much time working on their sports. And then what happens? It's clear that there are a whole lot more questions than answers right now on this union story, but it is fascinating.
Glenn K. from Leesburg, Fla., writes: Regarding your mention about Dan Wetzel's article revealing that Gene Smith received an $18K bonus for his victory (uh, I mean a wrestler's victory) in the NCAA wrestling championships, maybe you should rephrase your comment to read, "that tells you everything you need to know about OSU sports." In mentioning other examples of gross exploitation, Wetzel didn't name any other B1G school. Did Dave Joyner receive an extra bonus for having two national champions, as well as the team championship in wrestling? Are there other B1G schools whose AD gets similar bonuses? I would venture to say that there are probably bonus clauses in all of their contracts, as are also in coaching contracts. But I wonder if they are comparable to Smith's freebies that he gets for not doing one Dang thing to earn it. Not to mention his obscene salary.
Brian Bennett: Glenn, I can assure you that these types of bonuses -- not just for championships but things like NCAA tournament berths and academic benchmarks -- are commonplace in athletic directors' contracts all across Division I. Smith is by no means alone when it comes to those bonuses, and as the CEO of one of the largest athletic departments in the country at Ohio State, his salary is commensurate with the demands and marketplace. I have absolutely no problem with Smith negotiating the very best deal he could get, just as any of us would do. But at a time when athletes are suing the NCAA over the use of their images for a video game, or when the cost-of-attendance stipend can't get passed, or when players are going so far as to unionize to protect their own rights, that bonus simply doesn't look good.
Kenny from Cincy writes: Almost baseball season, and your Cards are going down this year. I have a simple question, yes or no, because this seams to be the Big Ten's main question ... Is this Ohio State's year?
Brian Bennett: How dare you besmirch the birds on the bat. Vengeance will be swift. Anyway, I'm not quite sure what you mean by whether it's "their year" for the Buckeyes. I'm going to assume you mean a national championship, or at least a a College Football Playoff berth, because a Big Ten title isn't unexpected in Columbus (though it would actually be Urban Meyer's first). Ohio State has a lot of questions, which include four new starters on the offensive line, unproven backs and receivers and a defense that needs to make a major improvement without its two best players from 2013 (Ryan Shazier and Bradley Roby). For me, those are too many questions to consider the Buckeyes a legitimate national title contender at this point. But as usual, they will have at least as much overall talent, if not more than everybody in the Big Ten. I trust in Meyer and his coaching staff. And having a great quarterback like Braxton Miller goes a long way. So I'm sure as heck not counting them out.
Arik from Chicago writes: I always find the back and forth on whether Maryland coming to the B1G is good for this side or that side, for this reason or that. Often the answer seems to come to this: The B1G gets a good market, Maryland gets a pile of money. I thought I'd share my thoughts as a double Terp (undergrad and grad school). Here's what won me over: the Big Ten Committee on Institutional Cooperation. As important as sports are to me, other than the money, the competition will probably stay about the same -- in the last decade, we've shown we're capable of beating or losing to just about any team at any time, no matter how good or bad a season either side is having. Now in academics, the B1G (with the CIC) has something unique that the ACC just can't offer. But the B1G wins, too -- bringing in a public ivy with huge research agreements with dozens of national and federal institutions (DoD, NOAA, NASA, FDA, NIST...) can't hurt.
Brian Bennett: Arik, you make some good points about the academic side of things here. Adding Maryland and Rutgers to the mix only adds to the league's brain power, and administrators from those schools are excited about the new research opportunities. Of course, football and demographics drove the train with this expansion move, or else the Big Ten would have been looking to raid the actual Ivy League, not the Atlantic Coast and American Athletic conferences.
Quote from: ramjet on March 31, 2014, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: bigG on March 31, 2014, 04:25:45 PM
WI Covenant is another.
You're right, though, Academic excellence should be a full ride to a state school , IMHO. Gotta reward excellence.
Props to Oshkosh. I notice, in my neck, little private Viterbo does an amazing job of luring the excellent and hooking up with business and other placement to get young adults ready for real-world experiences.
This is not at all a Walker issue. I'll say, our education in WI keeps falling; little by little. I do worry about our prowess.
I find the technical college system has really upped its game; though at taxpayers' expense. I have no problem paying taxes for something that gives back, though.
I find no issue with some tax dollars going to tech schools or even Public Schools as long as there is accountability. Much of what we argue about would be gone if the Evers Funding plan was adapted.
You are correct it should be free ride and Fish what you a are not taking into account is that many of the Colleges would throw in room and board to the recipients that went there college. I did not state that so thats my bad but that was part of my free ride scenario...Oshgosh did some of this for my Daughter and it helped her and it helper her brother because of the money she saved he gets a free ride as longs the grades are at level that we determined.
UW-Eau Claire did not do that for my daughter-in-law, who is a lifetime 4.0 student. Guess they are stingy.
Quote from: ramjet on March 27, 2014, 07:05:03 AM
Quote from: wraslfan on March 27, 2014, 06:55:00 AM
BigG, unions are certainly as big a lobbiests as the NRA. I would guess a lot more money goes to the democrat party from unions than the NRA gives to republicans. I get what you are saying, but there are many similiarities as well. Just from opposite ends of the political spectrum.
well Fan actually my Union gives to both parties any politician that supports the ideals and best interest of our brotherhood.
Did you Fan that my Organization actually provides training and safety training for its members and families they make the work place safer by providing training that financed through membership dues....... ;D
My union provide training with my membership dues also.
My union gives 61% of its money to the Dems, 29% to Republicans and 9% to the independant party in my area. Not sure of the 1% that is left but I am thinking that the other 3 get some % of the 1%
So now where are we at in what give to who and what training they get.
Not sure about the 1%, eh. Mmm-hmmm. Little "LG-Life's Good" fund, I'm guessin'. Good man! ;)