What do you guys think, can they pull off a top 10? With some good draws, it seems possible to do it. Maybe 12th-13th is more realistic.... Come on Bucky!
Hmmmmmmmmm. With the badgers on the rise, big time, I am sure they will improve from last years 27th place finish up to about 22nd. Top 20 would be better, top 10 would be great. Jordan and Graff will be top 4. Taylor will make the podium. Other than that I don't see anyone making the podium. I hope I am wrong. GOOD LUCK BADGERS
Quote from: Brett Favre on March 11, 2014, 09:30:41 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm. With the badgers on the rise, big time, I am sure they will improve from last years 27th place finish up to about 22nd. Top 20 would be better, top 10 would be great. Jordan and Graff will be top 4. Taylor will make the podium. Other than that I don't see anyone making the podium. I hope I am wrong. GOOD LUCK BADGERS
I would personally not be disappointed if Jordan and Graff both finished top 4, Taylor made the podium, and nobody else from UW finished AA. I hope Medberry can as well, but I would still be happy with what you listed in terms of Jordan, Graff and Taylor. Having 2 freshman AA would be huge for the program going forward.
they can if they come to wrestle. I thought they wrestled well at the 10's.... if they wrestle at that level or slightly better I see a top 10 to top 12.
ok, so just for a fun, I looked up last years NCAA top 10 teams, and Virginia Tech finished in 10 place, and here are their results.
125...... 6th place..........13.50 pts
133...... DNP................. 0 pts
141...... 8th place......... 5.50 pts
149....... 8th place......... 5.50 pts
157...... DNP................ 4.00 pts
165...... 4th place.......... 13.50 pts
174...... DNP.................. 1.00 pt
184...... DNP................. 0 pts
197...... DNP................. 1.00 pt
Hwt..... DNP................... .50 pt
So, a 4th, 6th, & two 8th place winners, with 6.5 pts coming from other wrestlers....... I think it's possible to make a top 10 for the Badgers, but they will have to wrestle good- no doubt about it.
2013 NCAA Team Scores
1. Penn State 123.5
2. Oklahoma St. 119.5
3. Minnesota 103.0
4. Iowa 73.0
5. Cornell 65.0
6. Ohio St. 59.5
7. Missouri 56.5
8. Oregon St. 48.5
9. Illinois 45.5
10. Virginia Tech 43.5
11. Iowa St. 41.5
12. Oklahoma 38.5
13. Nebraska 38.0
14. Edinboro 37.5
15. Northern Iowa 34.0
15. Pittsburgh 34.0
17. Northwestern 32.5
18. Central Michigan 30.5
19. Boise State 29.0
20. The Citadel 27.0
21. Virginia 23.5
22. North Carolina 21.5
23. Wyoming 20.5
24. Kent St. 20.0
25. Lehigh 18.5
26. Columbia 17.0
27. Maryland 16.5
27. Wisconsin 16.5
29. Ohio 16.0
30. North Dakota St. 15.5
31. Purdue 11.0
32. Binghamton 10.0
33. Clarion 9.0
33. Michigan 9.0
35. Pennsylvania 7.5
35. Rutgers 7.5
37. Bloomsburg 6.0
38. Air Force 5.5
38. Stanford 5.5
40. Rider 4.5
41. Arizona St. 4.0
41. Eastern Mich. 4.0
41. Harvard 4.0
41. Indiana 4.0
41. Northern Ill. 4.0
46. Bucknell 3.5
46. Hofstra 3.5
46. Utah Valley 3.5
49. Appalachian S. 3.0
49. Navy 3.0
51. American 2.5
51. Boston U. 2.5
51. Brown 2.5
51. Michigan St. 2.5
55. Chattanooga 2.0
55. Frank. & Marsh. 2.0
57. Buffalo 1.5
57. Drexel 1.5
57. Lock Haven 1.5
60. CSU Bakersfield 1.0
60. Gardner-Webb 1.0
60. Old Dominion 1.0
63. Duke 0.5
63. North Carolina St. 0.5
63. West Virginia 0.5
66. Army 0.0
66. Cal Poly 0.0
66. Campbell 0.0
66. Cleveland State 0.0
66. Davidson 0.0
66. George Mason 0.0
66. South Dakota State 0.0
Quote from: Brett Favre on March 11, 2014, 09:30:41 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm. With the badgers on the rise, big time, I am sure they will improve from last years 27th place finish up to about 22nd. Top 20 would be better, top 10 would be great. Jordan and Graff will be top 4. Taylor will make the podium. Other than that I don't see anyone making the podium. I hope I am wrong. GOOD LUCK BADGERS
Darn you Favre, I had planned on just ignoring your comments since they are biased, not rooted in reality, not based on facts, you are the only "UW Fan" (used very lighly) saying them, and you are repeating the same thing over and over. You pulled me back though. Did I say already that you are the ONLY person saying Wisconsin isn't improving?
Is 7th where we want to be year in and year out? Heck no. However, everyone can see that the Badgers are better this year than last and will be better next year.
A few FACTS, see if you can follow along since comprehension is obviously a weakness of yours:
2012-12th place, 9 points, 2 NCAA qualifiers
2013-9th place, 37 points, 3 NCAA qualifiers
2014-7th place, 73 points, 7 or 8 NCAA qualifiers. BTW, 6 points out of 5th, that's 1 or 2 matches!
Can you see a trend in those FACTS?? Think back to kindergarten, an arrow moving up is...........improvement. 12, 9, 7......guess what that is??? IMPROVEMENT!! Again, will we be happy if they are at 7th for the next few years?? NO. However, it is OBVIOUS to everyone but you they will not be!
Cheers and go Badgers!
I think its all about perspective....the big three are always the same and hardly ever threatened (in the Big 10). Where should the Badgers shoot for each year? Is 7th place ok by most? When should Wisconsin fans believe that their team can be perennial top3 team in the Big Ten?
Its almost like when all the Badger fans stated when JT came out of high school that he would be a 4 timer? very unrealistic for the most part....makes you appreciate what Andrew Howe did, within 3 years he was a multi All-American and a national champ. JT who has shown improvement is fighting to try to qualify for nationals within that same time period. Its all about perspective.
Quote from: BuckyMatt on March 11, 2014, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: Brett Favre on March 11, 2014, 09:30:41 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm. With the badgers on the rise, big time, I am sure they will improve from last years 27th place finish up to about 22nd. Top 20 would be better, top 10 would be great. Jordan and Graff will be top 4. Taylor will make the podium. Other than that I don't see anyone making the podium. I hope I am wrong. GOOD LUCK BADGERS
Darn you Favre, I had planned on just ignoring your comments since they are biased, not rooted in reality, not based on facts, you are the only "UW Fan" (used very lighly) saying them, and you are repeating the same thing over and over. You pulled me back though. Did I say already that you are the ONLY person saying Wisconsin isn't improving?
Is 7th where we want to be year in and year out? Heck no. However, everyone can see that the Badgers are better this year than last and will be better next year.
A few FACTS, see if you can follow along since comprehension is obviously a weakness of yours:
2012-12th place, 9 points, 2 NCAA qualifiers
2013-9th place, 37 points, 3 NCAA qualifiers
2014-7th place, 73 points, 7 or 8 NCAA qualifiers. BTW, 6 points out of 5th, that's 1 or 2 matches!
Can you see a trend in those FACTS?? Think back to kindergarten, an arrow moving up is...........improvement. 12, 9, 7......guess what that is??? IMPROVEMENT!! Again, will we be happy if they are at 7th for the next few years?? NO. However, it is OBVIOUS to everyone but you they will not be!
Cheers and go Badgers!
7th is right around Barry's average. His average national finish is 18th, probably about where the badgers will finish.
Quote from: easytopin on March 11, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
I think its all about perspective....the big three are always the same and hardly ever threatened (in the Big 10). Where should the Badgers shoot for each year? Is 7th place ok by most? When should Wisconsin fans believe that their team can be perennial top3 team in the Big Ten?
Its almost like when all the Badger fans stated when JT came out of high school that he would be a 4 timer? very unrealistic for the most part....makes you appreciate what Andrew Howe did, within 3 years he was a multi All-American and a national champ. JT who has shown improvement is fighting to try to qualify for nationals within that same time period. Its all about perspective.
Anyone predicting anyone coming from HS will be a 4 timer has no brains... what has there been 3 or 4 ever?
Within 3 years of HS Howe wrestled 102 matches at the highest level, JT has 31 so far and spent the better part of 2 years focused on a different style at a different weight. He still has a chance to do quite well and win a title or 2 and that would be a fairly big accomplishment for most top recruits.
One of the points im making is Andrew Howe, (whom many disfavor because of his transfer) was an all-American 1st year out of high school, without the benefit of a redshirt-Olympic year etc.. Is he looked at differently because he was from Indiana and not Wisconsin.
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 11, 2014, 02:31:35 PM
Anyone predicting anyone coming from HS will be a 4 timer has no brains... what has there been 3 or 4 ever?
Three - Pat Smith, Cael Sanderson, Kyle Dake
I am to the point that I don't want to look at the Badger part of this forum. Some of the negative things that a few of you say on her night after night. ??? Give it a rest already your like a broken record or even worse a nagging wife. Barry this Barry that Donny this Howe that, this Is your team be happy with what we got we might not be Penn. St or Iowa but we are the badgers. So if you need to be on a NCAA championship team jump on the Penn. St wagon, we won't miss you. And when we get to the top you can jump back on the badger wagon!!!!!
Quote from: BRF Wrestling on March 11, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
I am to the point that I don't want to look at the Badger part of this forum. Some of the negative things that a few of you say on her night after night. ??? Give it a rest already your like a broken record or even worse a nagging wife. Barry this Barry that Donny this Howe that, this Is your team be happy with what we got we might not be Penn. St or Iowa but we are the badgers. So if you need to be on a NCAA championship team jump on the Penn. St wagon, we won't miss you. And when we get to the top you can jump back on the badger wagon!!!!!
+1
I rarely post and like you BRF I am exhausted by the constant Barry bashing, Donny love fest, etc... I really liked Donny, wish Howe and Rutt were still Badgers but I support the coaches and kids that are here. I am thrilled with the current coaching staff. Both of the paid assistants are fantastic guys and great to have Mitch around as well. I feel very fortunate to have a quick drive to the field house to be able to watch this group compete in every dual meet. I expect with the group of redshirts and the recruiting class that they will continue to get better in the next few years. It is amazing how much criticism there is and no credit. We should be talking about how great it is that the Badgers were able to get the Loveland boys here and that the coaching staff was able to pull those 2 terrific freshman out of SPG when every college in the country is recruiting that program. Granted there was a tie in with Zeke but what a great find RT has turned out to be. Keep up the good work guys.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on March 11, 2014, 10:37:16 PM
Quote from: BRF Wrestling on March 11, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
I am to the point that I don't want to look at the Badger part of this forum. Some of the negative things that a few of you say on her night after night. ??? Give it a rest already your like a broken record or even worse a nagging wife. Barry this Barry that Donny this Howe that, this Is your team be happy with what we got we might not be Penn. St or Iowa but we are the badgers. So if you need to be on a NCAA championship team jump on the Penn. St wagon, we won't miss you. And when we get to the top you can jump back on the badger wagon!!!!!
+1
I rarely post and like you BRF I am exhausted by the constant Barry bashing, Donny love fest, etc... I really liked Donny, wish Howe and Rutt were still Badgers but I support the coaches and kids that are here. I am thrilled with the current coaching coach. Both of the paid assistants are fantastic guys and great to have Mitch around as well. I feel very fortunate to have a quick drive to the field house to be able to watch this group compete in every dual meet. I expect with the group of redshirts and the recruiting class that they will continue to get better in the next few years. It is amazing how much criticism there is and no credit. We should be talking about how great it is that the Badgers were able to get the Loveland boys here and that the coaching staff was able to pull those 2 terrific freshman out of SPG when every college in the country is recruiting that program. Granted there was a tie in with Zeke but what a great find RT has turned out to be. Keep up the good work guys.
Very well said - thank you for speaking up and supporting Wisconsin Wrestling. Big day today!
Quote from: BRF Wrestling on March 11, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
I am to the point that I don't want to look at the Badger part of this forum. Some of the negative things that a few of you say on her night after night. ??? Give it a rest already your like a broken record or even worse a nagging wife. Barry this Barry that Donny this Howe that, this Is your team be happy with what we got we might not be Penn. St or Iowa but we are the badgers. So if you need to be on a NCAA championship team jump on the Penn. St wagon, we won't miss you. And when we get to the top you can jump back on the badger wagon!!!!!
funny thing is... Donny is now 3 years out, his team lost to UW in a dual, finished behind us in the Big 10's, and only had 4 auto qualifiers while we had 7... I think it is time to get over it.
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 12, 2014, 07:07:44 AM
Quote from: BRF Wrestling on March 11, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
I am to the point that I don't want to look at the Badger part of this forum. Some of the negative things that a few of you say on her night after night. ??? Give it a rest already your like a broken record or even worse a nagging wife. Barry this Barry that Donny this Howe that, this Is your team be happy with what we got we might not be Penn. St or Iowa but we are the badgers. So if you need to be on a NCAA championship team jump on the Penn. St wagon, we won't miss you. And when we get to the top you can jump back on the badger wagon!!!!!
funny thing is... Donny is now 3 years out, his team lost to UW in a dual, finished behind us in the Big 10's, and only had 4 auto qualifiers while we had 7... I think it is time to get over it.
Michigan also finished behind us at the 2013 NCAA's!! ;D
Interesting....so people are "badger bashers" if they are not comfortable, or "okay" with finishing 7th in the Big Ten and want to be higher, and then actually say that??? ::) Sure glad you guys are the judge and jury on what a fan can and can't say..... ::)
Give an example of how someone can say they want the badgers to be better then they are without sounding negative? And who determines what is negative and isn't?
Quote from: dman on March 12, 2014, 08:54:28 AM
Give an example of how someone can say they want the badgers to be better then they are without sounding negative? And who determines what is negative and isn't?
I see nothing wrong with wanting to be better and thinking we should be better in the future.
To come on here within 24 hours f the team placing 8 in the Big 10s an saying it was a failure or not an improvement is a joke
Quote from: Goat Roper on March 12, 2014, 08:45:23 AM
I'm OK with people wanting something better, but when all they have to offer are negative comments, void of anything positive, I question their motives.
+1
NO ONE, let me repeat, NO ONE has come on here and said they are "okay" finishing 7th year in and year out. However, given we were at the bottom of D1 wrestling in 2012, was 9th last year, 7th this year, and did all of this with a young roster, it is obvious BRIGHT days are ahead for the Badgers and there is reason for optimism. I predict 4th or 5th place next year (maybe higher) and an entry into the top 3 within 2 years. I am okay with that type of projectory but not staying at 7th place.
Quote from: dman on March 12, 2014, 08:54:28 AM
Give an example of how someone can say they want the badgers to be better then they are without sounding negative? And who determines what is negative and isn't?
Bringing Donny into the conversation!
As long as Alvarez is AD, he is never coming back so why talk about it? Plus, the Badgers are performing better without him than Michigan is doing (fact). I predict a higher National finish for the Badgers in the near future (Within 3 years) than we ever had with Donny (4th)
Quote from: dman on March 12, 2014, 08:54:28 AM
Give an example of how someone can say they want the badgers to be better then they are without sounding negative? And who determines what is negative and isn't?
"I'm really happy that the Badgers took a step forward this year. I'm sure it took more hard work than I could ever fully appreciate, but I would expect nothing less of them. I do, however, have concerns about us taking the NEXT step. We are now back to where we were, say, 10 years ago, but I'm not satisfied with that. I want to see us in the top 4/5 of the Big 10 every single year, and in the top 10 nationally every single year. After we've sustained that level of success, I want us to become Minnesota. On their up years, they challenge for the National title, and in their down years they are still a powerhouse with multiple AAs."
Quote from: CLC FAN on March 12, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: dman on March 12, 2014, 08:54:28 AM
Give an example of how someone can say they want the badgers to be better then they are without sounding negative? And who determines what is negative and isn't?
"I'm really happy that the Badgers took a step forward this year. I'm sure it took more hard work than I could ever fully appreciate, but I would expect nothing less of them. I do, however, have concerns about us taking the NEXT step. We are now back to where we were, say, 10 years ago, but I'm not satisfied with that. I want to see us in the top 4/5 of the Big 10 every single year, and in the top 10 nationally every single year. After we've sustained that level of success, I want us to become Minnesota. On their up years, they challenge for the National title, and in their down years they are still a powerhouse with multiple AAs."
Couldn't have said it better myself CLC Fan!
if you guys want that next step, you better start fundraising. Those top teams in the country have the same 9.9 schlorships, just like us. The difference is, they have MAJOR boosters supporting their teams.... we don't have the facilities to keep a 4 star recruit here on a 1/2 schlorship..... it takes money to build programs like them.
I want to finish in the top 3-4 in the Big Ten as much as anyone, then again I also realize we wrestle in a conference full of powerhouse teams, the most successful teams in college wrestling history. If our football team played in the SEC how many conference titles do you think we would have? That is not to say we can't hope for better or to expect better but consider if we wrestled in the PAC 12 we would likely be top 2-3 every year.
If the football team played in the SEC and wasn't a top 1 or 2 team would we not be able to talk about wanting to be a top 1 or 2 team and how disappointed it is to not be a top 1 or 2 team?? If people did say that stuff would that make people "bad fans"??
Dman, stop being so defensive.
We understand that some people are still critical of Barry Davis - that's not the point.
Go look at "Brett Favre"'s posts on a couple threads these past 2 days after the Big Tens.
THOSE are the types of posts many people were getting very tired of.
Not being defensive....just making a point. Last time I checked people were allowed to voice their opinions on this forum....just cause they don't match yours or others doesn't mean they shouldn't post them. I personally don't agree with everything Farve posts, but I am not going to jump down his throat because his opinions are different then mine. I also don't believe that if someone is critical of the "success", or lack there of, for the team they support, it makes them a "bad fan". Finally, I don't believe that you have to like the head coach of the team you support either.
Why aren't you accusing the people jumping down Farve's throat of being defensive?? They truly are the ones being "defensive".
Go Bucky! Good luck to all the NQ's!!
I think its fine to be critical of any program that you are fan of. Fan and cheerleader are two separate items. If you believe you are being truthful
and can support your ideas you should be able to express them. I don't believe the Brewers have made much of an effort to solve their first base problem and am critical of this important position and I love the brew crew.
Quote from: dman on March 12, 2014, 02:55:23 PM
Not being defensive....just making a point. Last time I checked people were allowed to voice their opinions on this forum....just cause they don't match yours or others doesn't mean they shouldn't post them. I personally don't agree with everything Farve posts, but I am not going to jump down his throat because his opinions are different then mine. I also don't believe that if someone is critical of the "success", or lack there of, for the team they support, it makes them a "bad fan". Finally, I don't believe that you have to like the head coach of the team you support either.
Why aren't you accusing the people jumping down Farve's throat of being defensive?? They truly are the ones being "defensive".
Go Bucky! Good luck to all the NQ's!!
Dman you are correct you and Farve have the rite to post your opinion, just as everyone else has the rite to express their opinions of what they think of your post. If you dint want to hear what other people think of your opinion stop posting, controversial opinions.
Quote from: leg turk on March 12, 2014, 10:39:16 AM
if you guys want that next step, you better start fundraising. Those top teams in the country have the same 9.9 schlorships, just like us. The difference is, they have MAJOR boosters supporting their teams.... we don't have the facilities to keep a 4 star recruit here on a 1/2 schlorship..... it takes money to build programs like them.
As long as Barry is the head coach many will be reluctant to donate. I do donate in case you are wondering.
I agree with you to a point but Barry has been here 20+ years. 1. When were the badgers the best in those years? 2.Who did all of the recruiting when we had our best teams? 3. Why did all the big studs start coming to Wisconsin? 4. When did UW hit rock bottom in the big tens in the last 20+ years?
1. When Donny was the asst coach.
2. Donny
3. Donny
4. When Donny left
Plain and simple, UW had their best years under Barry when Donny was here. Most of you have no idea what goes on inside the walls of the UW wrestling room. If you knew some of the politics, bs etc you would understand. Barry Davis and Barry Alvarez are very tight. Barry Alvarez couldn't care less if UW finished last every year, as long as are able to put a team on the mat.
I like Barry Davis as a person but he is not a top head coach.
Would UW wrestling be better if Donny Pritzlaf was the head coach? Im my honest opinion, absolutely.
With that said, I wish the Badger wrestlers the best of luck and will be rooting for them and supporting them.
Interesting sitting next to a Penn St fan. He asked about Donny and I gave him my thoughts and a guy behind me reminded be that Donny flat out broke the rule and had to leave. The PSU guy then said that it is going to be interesting where Donny ends up as MI hired Bormet and he appears to be McFarland replacement.
As for a top 10 - possible but there needs to be one more guy get several wins (Connor). I think Zeke, Graff, Taylor all will get close if not to the top (Zeke). Graff is close but I think he'll finish 3rd. RT top 6. Can Lubeck continue to pull off some upsets? Hope so. Hopefully I can be surprised by a couple wins by Timmy, Scott and Jackson but that could be stretching it. I would be happy with top 12.
"Proud, but not Satisfied" this is a phrase that we use at my job everyday. I welcome opinions that are different then mine. However, some people need to turn the page on the past and get over it and move on already! Am I 100% "satisfied" with where the Badgers are at, no. But I am dang "proud" of how the season went and the direction they are headed! Good luck to all the national qualifiers, GO BADGERS!!!
Quote from: MantyShip160 on March 12, 2014, 06:00:35 PM
"Proud, but not Satisfied" this is a phrase that we use at my job everyday. I welcome opinions that are different then mine. However, some people need to turn the page on the past and get over it and move on already! Am I 100% "satisfied" with where the Badgers are at, no. But I am dang "proud" of how the season went and the direction they are headed! Good luck to all the national qualifiers, GO BADGERS!!!
+1!
I am extremely impressed by Taylor and Jordan. I am nearly positive I saw Barry Davis sitting in the seats watching Taylor and Jordan wrestle a match in the Ohio gym while they were in high school. Barry clearly does some top level recruiting.
With Brandvold's knowledge of the top WI wrestlers and recruiting some top Illinois guys this team's future is looking up. I know nobody has agreed with me yet, but Ohio State is another team that is on the rise and they will
challenge the Penn State, Iowa, and Minnesota dominance next season, being my early prediction.
Tough crowd. I do wish some of the opinions came with a real name although that is your own choice. Not judging. Donny was a great addition to the Badgers the first day he stepped into the room after signing. I know he gave his blood and guts to the program. He pushed Trevor through some difficult times with his injuries and made a huge impact on him as a wrestler and as a person. I spoke with Donny at the Big Tens and thanked him again. Circumstances being what they are, Donny is writing another chapter and he is our competition. That being said there is no doubt that the recruiting for the Badgers is becoming much more systematic. I'll leave it at that. When going after top recruits it is not only about the money. Where a wrestlers coach went to school, other alums, being in close proximity to home all play into the decision on where to go. Bottom line a kid should follow his heart before the cash.
Penn State will crush the country just on location with Cale. Jersey, PA, NY he has enough right in his home state to draw from. That being said, Cale is a special commodity by his NCAA and Olympic works. Wisconsin sports strive to do their best but budgets are limited so please celebrate the top ten NCAA finishes. In the right moment the chance to capture a top three trophy and perhaps a title could be within the teams grasp in the next couple of years. This may sound a little rash but it may be easier to win the NCAA's vs the Big Ten's.
The team is clearly on the rise and also has a little p--- and vinegar to it as well. The switch is just turning on and we have some guys that are willing to get a little nasty....RT???!!....Those heading to OKLA have a great time and help the guys bring back some hardware.
BTW Jock strap reference is quite outdated, not sure if they are even sold any longer.............referring to a post on another thread. Also please tell that to either coaches face.
Well said Dave. I also agree with you that the Big Tens are tougher than the NCAAs.
To those who are so unhappy;
This has been said here before and is not to disparage Pritzlaf. WI defeated MI head to head in a dual. WI finished ahead of MI in the Big 10s. Do you want to trade places?
Its funny how a post starts out and then takes a U-turn. Are the Badgers a top ten team? Pritzlaff left, Favre left, Lombardi left, so lets focus on the now and today. I think the Badgers will place in the 13-17 range. Their studs have decent draws so that looks good.
According to FLO, if everyone wrestled to their seeds (and ignoring bonus points), the Badgers would finish 12th in the NCAA meet.
Penn State-89.5
Minnesota-82
Iowa-79
OK State-69
Cornell-54.5
Nebraska-50
Ohio State-47
Oklahoma-45.5
Edinboro-43
Missouri-37.5
UNI-35.5
Wisconsin-28.5
Northwestern-27.7
UVA-25.5
Illinois-25
Maryland-24
Pittsburgh-20.5
Michigan-19.5
Virginia Tech-19
ahead of Michigan? No way.... ;)
I can see where a team with two or three studs could place higher in the ncaa tourney than teams who beat them in the big tens. More wrestlers and bigger brackets can create more separation . But to say that the big tens is an overall tougher tournament than ncaa's is ridiculous .
Quote from: Jimmy on March 13, 2014, 08:14:27 PM
I can see where a team with two or three studs could place higher in the ncaa tourney than teams who beat them in the big tens. More wrestlers and bigger brackets can create more separation . But to say that the big tens is an overall tougher tournament than ncaa's is ridiculous .
While I dont want to argue with a guy named jimmy ;) I have to say something.
I dont think any one was saying the Big Ten is tougher just the fact that being in the Big Ten it may be tougher on the guys with the fact you have wrestled the same guy for some time now. Just that the Big Ten season is such a grind I do think that getting to the NCAA is a relief for some to get some different oppents and different styles.
Quote from: Jimmy on March 13, 2014, 08:14:27 PM
I can see where a team with two or three studs could place higher in the ncaa tourney than teams who beat them in the big tens. More wrestlers and bigger brackets can create more separation . But to say that the big tens is an overall tougher tournament than ncaa's is ridiculous .
Ever look at a list of NCAA champs that never won B1G's?
Ever look at the percent of AA's that come from B1G conference?
Ever look at the percent of NCAA finalists that come from B1G conference?
Quote from: futurerichguy on March 14, 2014, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: badgerjohn on March 14, 2014, 09:53:36 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on March 13, 2014, 08:14:27 PM
I can see where a team with two or three studs could place higher in the ncaa tourney than teams who beat them in the big tens. More wrestlers and bigger brackets can create more separation . But to say that the big tens is an overall tougher tournament than ncaa's is ridiculous .
Ever look at a list of NCAA champs that never won B1G's?
Ever look at the percent of AA's that come from B1G conference?
Ever look at the percent of NCAA finalists that come from B1G conference?
Any idea where to find that data?
http://www.wrestlingstats.com/
There is no doubt in my mind that Graff and Jordan have the talent to make the finals and Taylor and Medberry top 6. If they meet my expectations and we get good points from Lubeck and Liegel there is no doubt we'll be top 10. I am kind of counting on it actually! Steve
Quote from: billymurphy on March 12, 2014, 06:17:46 PM
I am extremely impressed by Taylor and Jordan. I am nearly positive I saw Barry Davis sitting in the seats watching Taylor and Jordan wrestle a match in the Ohio gym while they were in high school. Barry clearly does some top level recruiting.
St Paris Graham vs. Blair. Barry and the Jordan family go way back. I'm pretty sure I saw coach Davis attend more than one dual at Graham years ago.
*video was posted already a long time ago but of course still fun to watch again.
http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/236398-Blair-Academy-vs-St-Paris-Graham/video/284474-103lbs-Max-Hvolbek-Blair-vs-Ryan-Taylor-St-Paris-Graham-
Funny seeing Jimmy do his Coach Davis impersonation with Barry sitting right by...
http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/236398-Blair-Academy-vs-St-Paris-Graham/videos/284580-135lbs-Todd-Preston-Blair-vs-Isaac-Jordan-St-Paris-Graham-#.UyXgzM7dctE
Quote from: npope on March 16, 2014, 03:35:37 PM
Given the significant talent possessed by the big dogs in the Big Ten, I am not sure anyone has a right to expect the Badgers to be a top three team in the Big Ten in the near future, but they are certainly knocking on the door of being a top 10 team at the national level - and this only three years after the program was in tatters.
Personally, I'm pretty impressed.
Hear hear! Two thumbs up
Some people get off on bringing others down. For every party, there's a pooper(or several). Looks like the poopers are comin' out.
I'm really overusing that expression. :)
Not that I am too caught up on where the Badgers actually end up at the NCAAs, but with a solid (but not spectacular) showing by the guys that will be there, the Badgers could foreseeably sneak into a top 10 finish. If the big guns wrestle to their seed (with one or two exceeding his seed by a place or two) and the rest of the guys picking up one or two wins somewhere along the line, the Badgers could really place well at the meet.
That said, if that happens, would all of those among us who moan about a 7th place finish in the Big Ten suddenly be converted into "believers"? Maybe not - and I don't think they should. The point is, thus far, the Badgers haven't had a bad year - especially relative to where they have been the past few years. Progress on the mat is being made - truly. And a top 10 finish at the national meet wouldn't suddenly change those earlier results - they are what they are. The point is, an assessment as to the success of the team on the mats needs to encompass the complete body of the work - including the progress made over the past few years.
Quite honestly, while the buck always stops at the desk of the head coach, I tend to think the current/recent results are more of a referendum on the work of the assistant coaches. They are the new component installed in a "broken" system three years ago; the assistant coaches (along with Davis' oversight) are the guys who are bringing the program back to respectability. Given the significant talent possessed by the big dogs in the Big Ten, I am not sure anyone has a right to expect the Badgers to be a top three team in the Big Ten in the near future, but they are certainly knocking on the door of being a top 10 team at the national level - and this only three years after the program was in tatters.
Personally, I'm pretty impressed.
+1
I am not expecting the team to finish ahead of the big three (Iowa, Penn State, Minnesota. - Ohio State being the 4th best), but I certainly expect better than a 7th place finish in the Big Ten Tournament next season.
No champions, only one in the finals is a seventh place finish. The Badgers have some good to darn good freshman that will lead this team up the ladder a few steps next season as 7th is not something to shoot for.
And all those extremely good senior heavyweights will graduate leaving Medbery with a high place finish. The quality of recruits are getting better, and more of them.
Quote from: billymurphy on March 16, 2014, 10:45:36 PM
I am not expecting the team to finish ahead of the big three (Iowa, Penn State, Minnesota. - Ohio State being the 4th best), but I certainly expect better than a 7th place finish in the Big Ten Tournament next season.
Ohio State will crack the top three at B10s
next year which are being held in Columbus and (imo) possibly place even higher at NCAA's.
imo - Wisconsin (and Illinois) are not too far behind the "big four" of the B10.
we'll see how my favorite coach (Ryan) does. I love the guy; but he's kind of been so-so of late. I hope they blow up a bit.
Is it 11:00 yet? Lets get this party Rocking! Come on Bucky!
Round 1
9. Iowa 8.5
9. Wisconsin 8.5
2014 NCAA Division I Championships Results for Wisconsin
125 - Bradley Taylor (17-5) place is unknown and scored 0.00 team points.
133 - Tyler Graff (28-4) place is unknown and scored 2.50 team points.
149 - Rylan Lubeck (12-13) place is unknown and scored 0.00 team points.
157 - Isaac Jordan (28-5) place is unknown and scored 3.00 team points.
174 - Scott Liegel (18-14) place is unknown and scored 0.00 team points.
184 - Jackson Hein (12-8) place is unknown and scored 0.00 team points.
197 - Timothy McCall (17-14) place is unknown and scored 1.00 team points.
285 - Connor Medbery (25-7) place is unknown and scored 2.00 team points.
2014 NCAA Division I Championships Results for Iowa
125 - Cory Clark (18-2) place is unknown and scored 2.50 team points.
133 - Tony Ramos (28-2) place is unknown and scored 1.00 team points.
141 - Josh Dziewa (25-9) place is unknown and scored 0.00 team points.
149 - Brody Grothus (24-10) place is unknown and scored 1.00 team points.
157 - Derek St. John (26-4) place is unknown and scored 1.00 team points.
165 - Nick Moore (21-4) place is unknown and scored 0.00 team points.
174 - Michael Evans (26-4) place is unknown and scored 1.00 team points.
184 - Ethen Lofthouse (20-4) place is unknown and scored 0.00 team points.
197 - Nathan Burak (17-5) place is unknown and scored 1.00 team points.
285 - Bobby Telford (23-5) place is unknown and scored 1.00 team points.