Potential lineups (rankings in parenthesis):
RL Coleman
106 Depies (HM) Teteak (HM)
113 Kohn (#9) Blanchard (#8)
120 Depies (#2) Champagne (5-10 record)
126 Mudlaff (#8) Schall (#2)
132 Stepneiwski (HM) Lansin (#8)
138 Gottsacker (#7) Margis (#4)
145 Behn (#9) Seewald (#2 at 152)
152 Kohn Lansin (HM at 145)
160 Vandenbush Karban (#1)
170 Risse (#7) A.Stodola (26-14 record)
182 Verbanac H.Stodola (23-14 record)
195 Klein (#8) Nowak (18-13 record)
220 Lewis Pillath (#4)
285 Anklam (#1) Salewski (18-14 record)
This is going to be a really interesting dual. According to trackwrestling at team sectionals Coleman switched Salewski and Pillath. Will Coleman try Pillath up vs. Anklam? I say Coleman doesn't pull the switch here hoping for a 6 from Pillath at 220 while giving up 6 to Anklam. At team sectional Coleman also switched Karban and A.Stodola. This I could see them doing thinking Karban could knock off one of RL's ranked wrestlers, while they take their chance with A.Stodola vs. Vandenbush. The rest of the matches I could see Coleman playing straight up.
I think RL has distinct advantages at 120, 195, and 285. It's going to be a barn burner for sure.
Definitely will be an exciting match-up. Barring any upsets, a 7/7 split looks likely, with the match decided on bonus. Gottsacker went 1-1 with Margis at OTW - if he can get the W, I think that will be the difference in this match (again, barring any upsets). I'm a big fan of Trent's - if Trent forces his offense and pace, he can beat anyone at the weight. Hopefully he can come through big for his team.
I think RL can play this pretty straight up, making Coleman bounce guys around to avoid bonus points. 126-138 are going to be huge.
I'd like to see the dual start at 145 and finish up with a tie score coming into the 138 lb matchup between Gottsacker and Margis. Would that be exciting or what...
This one can still go RL's way even if they win fewer matches. I feel like Random can get quite a few more bonus points than Coleman based on where they match up. 4 pretty good teams at team state this year.
Love the chatter! I agree with Mtendolle10 that the teams are pretty even this year. There were years where the semis were good but the final outcome was a foregone conclusion. I don't think anyone would say that this year.
I will say that if either Coleman or Random Lake wins the whole thing, they will have walked a pretty darn tough path. Can't wait!
Random Lake could win this. I see them as favorite at 106, 120, 170,182, 195, and 285... win another or two, like 138, 152, they can beat Coleman.
RL Coleman
106 Depies (HM) Teteak (HM) 3-0
113 Kohn (#9) Blanchard (#8) 3-4
120 Depies (#2) Champagne (5-10 record) 9-4
126 Mudlaff (#8) Schall (#2) 9-8
132 Stepneiwski (HM) Lansin (#8) 9-12
138 Gottsacker (#7) Margis (#4) 9-15
145 Behn (#9) Seewald (#2 at 152) 9-21
152 Kohn Lansin (HM at 145) 9-24
160 Vandenbush Karban (#1) 9-30
170 Risse (#7) A.Stodola (26-14 record) 12-30
182 Verbanac H.Stodola (23-14 record) 15-30
195 Klein (#8) Nowak (18-13 record) 21-30
220 Lewis Pillath (#4) 21-36
285 Anklam (#1) Salewski (18-14 record) 27-36
Coleman wins this one 36-27
RL Coleman
106 Depies (HM) SQ Teteak (HM)
113 Kohn (#9) SQ Blanchard (#8) SQ
120 Depies (#2) SQ Champagne (5-10 record)
126 Mudlaff (#8) SQ Schall (#2) SQ
132 Stepneiwski (HM) SQ Lansin (#8) SQ
138 Gottsacker (#7) SQ Margis (#4) SQ
145 Behn (#9) Seewald (#2 at 152) SQ
152 Kohn Lansin (HM at 145)
160 Vandenbush Karban (#1) SQ
170 Risse (#7) A.Stodola (26-14 record)
182 Verbanac SQ H.Stodola (23-14 record)
195 Klein (#8) SQ Nowak (18-13 record)
220 Lewis Pillath (#4) SQ
285 Anklam (#1) SQ Salewski (18-14 record)
signifies State Qualifier
RL Coleman
106 Depies (HM) SQ Teteak (HM) 3-0
113 Kohn (#9) SQ Blanchard (#8) SQ 3-3
120 Depies (#2) SQ Champagne (5-10 record) 9-3
126 Mudlaff (#8) SQ Schall (#2) SQ 9-6
132 Stepneiwski (HM) SQ Lansin (#8) SQ 9-10
138 Gottsacker (#7) SQ Margis (#4) SQ 9-13
145 Behn (#9) Seewald (#2 at 152) SQ 9-17
152 Kohn Lansin (HM at 145) 9-20
160 Vandenbush Karban (#1) SQ 9-24
170 Risse (#7) A.Stodola (26-14 record) 12-24
182 Verbanac SQ H.Stodola (23-14 record) 15-24
195 Klein (#8) SQ Nowak (18-13 record) 21-24
220 Lewis Pillath (#4) SQ 21-30
285 Anklam (#1) SQ Salewski (18-14 record) 27-30
signifies State Qualifier
This is going to be a great match that is for sure. I think 126-138 are going to make the difference in this dual. I cannot even begin to guess how the coaches plan to move there kids around. I think we may see alot of these kids wrestle this weekend so we will get a little bit of a preview.
Wins from Jon Mudlaff and/or Trent Gottsacker will be the difference. I am confident both will win, with Jon being most likely.
Quote from: hammen on February 24, 2014, 02:46:23 PM
Wins from Jon Mudlaff and/or Trent Gottsacker will be the difference. I am confident both will win, with Jon being most likely.
hmmm I wouldnt bet on that one, i guess anything is possible. I think they have a better chance of winning 132 than 126 or 138. The 113 pound match is going be interesting as well kohn is tough.
Quote from: CrossAnkle on February 24, 2014, 02:35:58 PM
I cannot even begin to guess how the coaches plan to move there kids around.
This is the reality. The odds of both teams playing this "straight up" are probably somewhere between slim and none.
Quote from: Gutwrench on February 24, 2014, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: CrossAnkle on February 24, 2014, 02:35:58 PM
I cannot even begin to guess how the coaches plan to move there kids around.
This is the reality. The odds of both teams playing this "straight up" are probably somewhere between slim and none.
I agree with both of these statements. The dual will likely come down to bonus points, so the question becomes would you move your guys to earn potentially more points or move them to limit your opponents?
Quote from: CrossAnkle on February 24, 2014, 02:59:15 PM
Quote from: hammen on February 24, 2014, 02:46:23 PM
Wins from Jon Mudlaff and/or Trent Gottsacker will be the difference. I am confident both will win, with Jon being most likely.
hmmm I wouldnt bet on that one, i guess anything is possible. I think they have a better chance of winning 132 than 126 or 138. The 113 pound match is going be interesting as well kohn is tough.
I will actually bet on both.
Quote from: hammen on February 24, 2014, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: CrossAnkle on February 24, 2014, 02:59:15 PM
Quote from: hammen on February 24, 2014, 02:46:23 PM
Wins from Jon Mudlaff and/or Trent Gottsacker will be the difference. I am confident both will win, with Jon being most likely.
hmmm I wouldnt bet on that one, i guess anything is possible. I think they have a better chance of winning 132 than 126 or 138. The 113 pound match is going be interesting as well kohn is tough.
I will actually bet on both.
You dont have a choice being a Random Lake Alum haha.
I have plenty of choices. These 2 just happen to be some of my favorites in WI high school wrestling.
Quote from: hammen on February 24, 2014, 08:14:33 PM
I have plenty of choices. These 2 just happen to be some of my favorites in WI high school wrestling.
I'm just playing giving you a hard time. Do you get into the room to roll around with these guys?
Sadly only a couple times a year. They're in good hands though.
I'm with Hammen on the Mudlaff match.
RL Coleman
106 Depies (HM) 2nd Teteak (HM)
113 Kohn (#9) NP Blanchard (#8) 4th
120 Depies (#2) 4th Champagne (5-10 record)
126 Mudlaff (#8) 4th Schall (#2) 6th
132 Stepneiwski (HM) NP Lansin (#8) 3rd
138 Gottsacker (#7) 4th Margis (#4) 2nd Head to head Margis won 4-1
145 Behn (#9) Seewald (#2 at 152) 3rd
152 Kohn Lansin (HM at 145)
160 Vandenbush Karban (#1) NP
170 Risse (#7) A.Stodola (26-14 record)
182 Verbanac NP H.Stodola (23-14 record)
195 Klein (#8) 2nd Nowak (18-13 record)
220 Lewis Pillath (#4) 4th
285 Anklam (#1) 1st Salewski (18-14 record)
signifies State placement
So theorectically........
RL performed better at state than Colemen with six wrestlers: 103, 120, 126, 182, 195, and 285.
Coleman performed better at state than RL with six wrestlers: 113, 132, 138, 145, 160, and 220.
Theorectically that leaves two weight classes, 152 and 170, as the deciding factor in the match. I could see Coleman winning 152 and RL winning 170.
This is about as even as it can get.
RL Coleman
106 Depies (HM) 2nd Teteak (HM) 3-0
113 Kohn (#9) NP Blanchard (#8) 4th 3-4
120 Depies (#2) 4th Champagne (5-10 record) 9-4
126 Mudlaff (#8) 4th Schall (#2) 6th 9-7
132 Stepneiwski (HM) NP Lansin (#8) 3rd 9-10
138 Gottsacker (#7) 4th Margis (#4) 2nd Head to head Margis won 4-1 9-13
145 Behn (#9) Seewald (#2 at 152) 3rd 9-19
152 Kohn Lansin (HM at 145) 9-22
160 Vandenbush Karban (#1) NP 9-28
170 Risse (#7) A.Stodola (26-14 record) 12-28
182 Verbanac NP H.Stodola (23-14 record) 15-28
195 Klein (#8) 2nd Nowak (18-13 record) 21-28
220 Lewis Pillath (#4) 4th 21-34
285 Anklam (#1) 1st Salewski (18-14 record) 27-34
If they wrestle straight up I give it to Coleman 34-27. Random Lake has to win a match from 126-138 to stay in this one. I think 106 will be real interesting if Depies gets a pin that would be huge. I know teteak didnt make it out of sectionals but he beat a few kids that placed last weekend. Should be real exciting, the fieldhouse is going to be rocking during this one.
Quote from: Gutwrench on March 06, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
Theorectically that leaves two weight classes, 152 and 170, as the deciding factor in the match.
Normally you look at a few weights with 2 kids who didn't qualify for state as potential clinchers for you but it doesn't seem that way this time. Maybe Kohn could pull one out at 152. That would be huge. But I look at 3 weights - 113, 126, & 138 with what should be closely matched state qualifiers as the ones to watch. Right now everyone has Coleman winning all 3. Win 1 of those and limit bonus points in a couple of the others and RL wins.
Quote from: hasbeen on March 06, 2014, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: Gutwrench on March 06, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
Theorectically that leaves two weight classes, 152 and 170, as the deciding factor in the match.
Normally you look at a few weights with 2 kids who didn't qualify for state as potential clinchers for you but it doesn't seem that way this time. Maybe Kohn could pull one out at 152. That would be huge. But I look at 3 weights - 113, 126, & 138 with what should be closely matched state qualifiers as the ones to watch. Right now everyone has Coleman winning all 3. Win 1 of those and limit bonus points in a couple of the others and RL wins.
That is usually the method for this type of matchup (limit the bonus points and win the toss ups) Schaal didnt have a great tournament last weekend, but just watching Mudlaff last week he doesnt have any type of upper hand in this one. I think 138 is really interesting, they have wrestled 3 times this year with Margis having won the last two. It gets harder to win every time should be a big one. I agree with 152 as well as 113, these kids all matchup different with each other you never know who will come out on top. My big question is who is going to bump up and get moved around.
I don't see either one of these two beating Spring Valley
Really I disagree with you on that. I think either of these teams can beat S/V. There not that unbeatable.
Quote from: Karl on March 06, 2014, 03:40:03 PM
I don't see either one of these two beating Spring Valley
Well now you do I guess. Congrats to Coleman. We had the dual going the way we wanted, but not one of their kids backed down or gave up... they just kept getting after it, which is exactly how they won in the finals too.
The Coleman /Random dual was by far the besdue as l of the weekend. ..congrats to both teams.
Quote from: Karl on March 06, 2014, 03:40:03 PM
I don't see either one of these two beating Spring Valley
I'm pretty sure both teams would have beat SVE.
I thought Random Lake had Coleman beat for a while... but Hunter Stodola pulled a nice upset and Blanchard was able to pin KOhn at 113. Hats of to you guys, you gave us our best match at the state tournament.
I'd say I can only imagine the emotions running through the RL team after a heart breaking end of the season like that, but I've been there so I know exactly what your thinking. I was on the '90 RL team that came up a little short at state so I've been in your shoes. You can run down the matches now and say "what if", but after all is said and done you can all be very proud of what you did accomplish. That was a dual that no one will forget and overall a season to be proud of. And even though I don't live in the district anymore and I'm actually trying to help build a team to unseat the Mighty Rams, today I'm proud to be a Ram wrestling alum. You guys represented your team, school and town well and have nothing to hang your heads about. Having said all of that I can understand why none of you want to hear people say "nice job" and "we're still proud of you". You'd give anything to get right back on that mat to have another go at it...That will never change. You'll always wish you had one more chance. But eventually you'll look back with only fond memories of this time in your life and be thankful that you were part of something special.
I am also a RLHS alumnus and very proud of this year's squad.
What coaches and young wrestlers need to study is how perennial powerhouses get it done year in and year out. Young wrestlers watch winning and sometimes the uniform is the most important part of the equation. These communities expect winning (they pack the stands religiously regardless of how there team is doing) and their wrestlers expect to win. Coaches from these programs don't have to tell the wrestlers their jobs during a dual. The better kids are always looking to score more bonus points for the team. The kids that are not as strong are looking to limit the loss to 3 points and when the opportunity presents itself they will pin even state place winners. In the first example Matt Pell of LC during dual meets was always working for the pin from the first whistle until the match was finished. I saw Tom Mann 3rd state place winner (Kiel/Two Rivers) manhandling a wrestler from Ellsworth (although it appeared this way) and this kid set him up . . .threw him to his back and pinned him. Kids from great programs don't care who their wrestling. Brian Barbiaux LC 3X state champion is wrestling a JV wrestler from Lodi and the Lodi kid takes him down. . .yes he beat the Lodi kid but he had his hands full. Jack Jensen from Sheboygan told kids, "Regardless of your opponent. . .don't get psyched out over rankings, just wrestle the body." On any given day anyone can beat anyone.
Keep chipping away. . .Random had the first Sheboygan County individual state champion "King Arthur", so it is only fitting that someday they will have the first team champion in Sheboygan County. GOOD LUCK! :-)