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Title: Reality Check
Post by: wrestler_73 on March 25, 2013, 04:55:30 PM
When compared to real possibilities for AA next year.  How does that compare to other top ten teams?
-Graf for sure AA
-Thielke-probably
-Jordan-Probably
-Medberry and Hein-??

*What evidence do we have that any of our wrestlers make great gains from one year to next over the last 20 years?  Except Hammen.

The discussion at Nationals is embarrassing for the UW program....It's true
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: xx takedown xx on March 25, 2013, 05:11:03 PM
I wouldnt count out Liegel.

Also I would say Hein made a pretty big jump this year, nothing is stopping him from doing that again. 
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 25, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
Rutt!
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: hammen on March 25, 2013, 07:39:03 PM
Jim Gibbons had nothing but good things to say about Barry and the direction of the program on national television (that's ESPNU for you old man 73).
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: billymurphy on March 25, 2013, 08:41:22 PM
I totally agree with Rutt.  Rutt did not defend his legs well his freshman year.  He improved significantly each year.  Those were Pritzlaff days though and Rutt may have been able to practice some with Howe.  Hein has improved. No doubt. Can he move to elite status and beat the Minnesota kid?  That is a very hard undertaking but Hein certainly should win more than one match at nationals next year.  Medbery is a blue chip recruit and quite honestly I figured he would do better at nationals.  The Big Ten is absolutely loaded at 174 with Iowa, Penn State, Nebraska and Minny so Liegel has nearly an impossible task of a high finish in the Big Ten.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: wrestling for fun on March 25, 2013, 08:47:16 PM
Wisconsin did pretty good compared to other schools .... for instance..Michigan ... who had 7 qualifiers that scored a total of 9 points.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Harris on March 25, 2013, 09:26:58 PM
Reality Check (Top 10):

1.  Tyler Graff - 3rd Place NCAA, 3X All-American, best year ever, coming back
2.  Jackson Hein - NCAA qualifier, best year ever, coming back
3.  Connor Medbery - NCAA qualifier, Big Ten Freshman of the Year, coming back
4.  2013 NCAA Team Scores - Wisconsin finishes higher than Purdue, Michigan (Who has Donny Pritzlaff), Indiana, Michigan State AND 2013 Big Ten Conference Dual Standings Wisconsin finishes higher than Michigan (Who has Donny Pritzlaff), Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan State
5.  November 11, 2012 - Badgers open season with win over No. 25 Hofstra
6.  December 9, 2012 - Badgers upset No. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln
7.  January 13, 2013 - Badgers upset No. 11 Michigan to extend Big Ten win streak (Did I mention they have Donny P :)
8.  Redshirt Freshman and Unattached Results - Jesse Thielke (10-3, 6th Midlands), Isaac Jordan (23-2, 3rd Midlands), TJ Ruschell 15-2, Ryan Lubeck 25-6, Ryan Taylor (2012 top 50 recruit)
9.  Recruiting Class - Ricky Robertson (Illinois State Champ), Austin Moe (2X WI State Champ), Seth Liegel (WI State Champ), Andrew Crone (WI State Champ), Jake Stilling (WI State Champ), Justin Weber (IL 3rd State)
10.  Last year Big Ten dual record 0-8, NCAA record 41st, This year Big Ten dual record 4-4, NCAA record 27th

I would have to say that reality is looking pretty good from my point of view.  Great job Badger wrestlers and coaches!  Can't wait till next year.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: zugzoo on March 26, 2013, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: Harris on March 25, 2013, 09:26:58 PM

9.  Recruiting Class - Ricky Robertson (Illinois State Champ), Austin Moe (2X WI State Champ), Seth Liegel (WI State Champ), Andrew Crone (WI State Champ), Jake Stilling (WI State Champ), Justin Weber (IL 3rd State)

I think Stilling, Crone, and Liegel are all 2x WI State champs as well (since it seems you only added Moe as a 2x WI State champ).
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: My2sense on March 26, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
While wearing my badger jacket over the weekend I was asked many times ,are you from Wisconsin . After I responded yes , their next question was so what's up with you guys and Barry?  They then said that they always thought Barry was a great coach but he doesn't seem to be getting it done. I feel that there is a national concern for our program not just in state.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: npope on March 26, 2013, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: My2sense on March 26, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
While wearing my badger jacket over the weekend I was asked many times ,are you from Wisconsin .

After seeing you in your vivid red Badger jacket, they then asked, "Are you from Wisconsin?"

Without passing judgement on the actual gist of the post, doesn't the fact that they had to ask that question at all cast some level of doubt upon their intelligence to begin with? Were you sitting in the Iowa section at the tournament?  ;)
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 26, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Harris on March 25, 2013, 09:26:58 PM
Reality Check (Top 10):

1.  Tyler Graff - 3rd Place NCAA, 3X All-American, best year ever, coming back
2.  Jackson Hein - NCAA qualifier, best year ever, coming back
3.  Connor Medbery - NCAA qualifier, Big Ten Freshman of the Year, coming back
4.  2013 NCAA Team Scores - Wisconsin finishes higher than Purdue, Michigan (Who has Donny Pritzlaff), Indiana, Michigan State AND 2013 Big Ten Conference Dual Standings Wisconsin finishes higher than Michigan (Who has Donny Pritzlaff), Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan State
5.  November 11, 2012 - Badgers open season with win over No. 25 Hofstra
6.  December 9, 2012 - Badgers upset No. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln
7.  January 13, 2013 - Badgers upset No. 11 Michigan to extend Big Ten win streak (Did I mention they have Donny P :)
8.  Redshirt Freshman and Unattached Results - Jesse Thielke (10-3, 6th Midlands), Isaac Jordan (23-2, 3rd Midlands), TJ Ruschell 15-2, Ryan Lubeck 25-6, Ryan Taylor (2012 top 50 recruit)
9.  Recruiting Class - Ricky Robertson (Illinois State Champ), Austin Moe (2X WI State Champ), Seth Liegel (WI State Champ), Andrew Crone (WI State Champ), Jake Stilling (WI State Champ), Justin Weber (IL 3rd State)
10.  Last year Big Ten dual record 0-8, NCAA record 41st, This year Big Ten dual record 4-4, NCAA record 27th

I would have to say that reality is looking pretty good from my point of view.  Great job Badger wrestlers and coaches!  Can't wait till next year.

Just to be clear, we beat Michigan in the dual and at the NCAA's, without using any of our freshman on varsity ? :-)
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Troy Grindle on March 26, 2013, 01:29:29 PM
To look at both sides of the coin here, the state of Wisconsin has recently had some of the deepest and best years ever in the history of high school wrestling in this state.  With multiple individual national champions and team dual champions in greco.  The last 4-5 years Wisconsin has had some incredible high school talent coming out of this state and the badgers have landed only a handful of those kids.  This is were most of the unhappiness lies within the wrestling community.  The reasons why uw hasn't landed a lot of the kids are not totally the fault of uw but it is still a major concern by the fans.  Barry can't control the kids grades in high school, trouble with the law, not taking the appropriate classes to get into college, etc..  But when you see top flight kids leaving Wisconsin year after year it is a major frustration.  The uw team would look pretty good right now if we had Pollizzi, Suffloen, AD, Peterson, Dunlap, Gruetner, Donar, Hucke, Monk, Nazar all on the roster.  These are all wrestlers off of the top of my head that aren't wrestling at UW that probably at one time in their life it was their dream to wrestle at UW (except probably Nazar) who are all either wrestling at the D1 level (except Nazar and Dunlap who both could be) or playing another sport at the D1 level.  These are just a couple of kids who I could quickly think up within the last 3 years that didn't go to UW.  This list is a lot of in state kids to lose.  Some of them were lost for reasons uncontrollable by uw but not all of them.  The junior dual team doesn't go to nationals and go 4-5 and finish middle of the pack.  The state team doesn't go to Fargo and take 27th so why should we as fans except that this should be okay for the badgers?  It is not okay, and as fans of the team we expect more when we see our high school kids achieve so much in avenues outside of the uw program.  I love the badgers and will always support them but with how successful the high school level has been the past 4-5 years and that it hasn't transitioned over at the college level makes me nervous to think how bad it could be if our high school level wasn't a top 10 in the nation year after year. 
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: jaguarwrestler on March 26, 2013, 01:35:44 PM
as far as the very first post is concerned, I don't see Jordan being AA in his first year, he had some good wins this year but I'm not sure he is AA level at this point or a year from now. I think Medberry has a very good chance.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Barou on March 26, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 26, 2013, 01:35:44 PM
as far as the very first post is concerned, I don't see Jordan being AA in his first year, he had some good wins this year but I'm not sure he is AA level at this point or a year from now. I think Medberry has a very good chance.

I thought someone posted that Jordan beat Pena from Oregon State who majored his kid in the 5th place match at nationals.  If that's true, predicting Jordan as a possible AA is not a reach.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Houndhead on March 26, 2013, 04:18:37 PM
Quote from: Troy Grindle on March 26, 2013, 01:29:29 PM
To look at both sides of the coin here, the state of Wisconsin has recently had some of the deepest and best years ever in the history of high school wrestling in this state.  With multiple individual national champions and team dual champions in greco.  The last 4-5 years Wisconsin has had some incredible high school talent coming out of this state and the badgers have landed only a handful of those kids.  This is were most of the unhappiness lies within the wrestling community.  The reasons why uw hasn't landed a lot of the kids are not totally the fault of uw but it is still a major concern by the fans.  Barry can't control the kids grades in high school, trouble with the law, not taking the appropriate classes to get into college, etc..  But when you see top flight kids leaving Wisconsin year after year it is a major frustration.  The uw team would look pretty good right now if we had Pollizzi, Suffloen, AD, Peterson, Dunlap, Gruetner, Donar, Hucke, Monk, Nazar all on the roster.  These are all wrestlers off of the top of my head that aren't wrestling at UW that probably at one time in their life it was their dream to wrestle at UW (except probably Nazar) who are all either wrestling at the D1 level (except Nazar and Dunlap who both could be) or playing another sport at the D1 level.  These are just a couple of kids who I could quickly think up within the last 3 years that didn't go to UW.  This list is a lot of in state kids to lose.  Some of them were lost for reasons uncontrollable by uw but not all of them.  The junior dual team doesn't go to nationals and go 4-5 and finish middle of the pack.  The state team doesn't go to Fargo and take 27th so why should we as fans except that this should be okay for the badgers?  It is not okay, and as fans of the team we expect more when we see our high school kids achieve so much in avenues outside of the uw program.  I love the badgers and will always support them but with how successful the high school level has been the past 4-5 years and that it hasn't transitioned over at the college level makes me nervous to think how bad it could be if our high school level wasn't a top 10 in the nation year after year. 

Brad Dolezal.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: wrestle03 on March 26, 2013, 04:31:26 PM
Why do some of you continue to beat a DEAD horse?
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: mkm13 on March 26, 2013, 07:53:39 PM
Make sure to get all your bashing in now, I am sure it will be a lot more difficult for you guys next year. 

Two years ago has been beat to death.  You can only recover from that so fast.  I don't know the exact numbers and someone can correct me if I am wrong, but we had to be redshirting close to 30% of our available scholarships this year.  Considering where we were at 2 years ago and reshirting that many wrestlers, I am not sure what people expected this year.  I am not sure how any fan can't be happy with the direction of the program. 

Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Ghetto on March 26, 2013, 09:39:27 PM
Quote from: coconut joe on March 26, 2013, 06:49:04 PM
It just looks like it's getting beaten but we're actually performing CPR.

Haha! That was funny! ;D
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: whatever on March 26, 2013, 10:30:00 PM
I was gonna say they'd beat a LIVE horse if they could but it keeps running away.......
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: ROCKY3 on March 27, 2013, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: wrestling for fun on March 25, 2013, 08:47:16 PM
Wisconsin did pretty good compared to other schools .... for instance..Michigan ... who had 7 qualifiers that scored a total of 9 points.

Really dude? You are reaching, and you know it.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Gutwrench on March 28, 2013, 10:00:27 AM
Quote from: Troy Grindle on March 26, 2013, 01:29:29 PM
The uw team would look pretty good right now if we had Pollizzi, Suffloen, AD, Peterson, Dunlap, Gruetner, Donar, Hucke, Monk, Nazar all on the roster.    

You point out wrestlers who are having a measure of success, but what about the other D1 recruited wrestlers from Wisconsin that haven't had a measure of success?  Joe Budi comes to mind as a recent stud HS wrestler who hasn't made a splash on the national scene while at Old Dominion.  The point is that recruiting is such an inexact science.  Yes we can all look back and say "I told you so" about AD and JS, but could anybody say with certainty that Monk and Hucke would have had the success they are having?
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: billymurphy on March 28, 2013, 11:54:16 AM
I agree that Joe Budi looked great at the state tournament his senior year.  I was real interested on how he would do nationally.  However, his senior year when he went out to wrestle freestyle at Fargo he lost his first match and may have won just one match and then he got beat again going either 1-2 or maybe even 0-2.   Thus proving that just because you are good on the WI state level, until you prove yourself nationally you are an uncertainty.  Now Dieringer for example, he destroyed all the top competition nationally in just flat out impressive fashion and was voted outstanding wrestler at Fargo.  Howe, Oliver, Dieringer were junior world team guys and as John Smith would say are "beast".  Sueflohn was a great Wisconsin high school wrestler by anyones standards but he lacked the awesome strength that Dieringer has and the quickness that a Thielke has so his road to a national college championship will be harder.

Seth Liegel is about the only returning senior wrestler this year that can claim success at fargo last summer making him a good national recruit but a 5th place finish is not sure thing blue chip status but is getting warm.  Wisconsin has some good wrestlers such as Jared Scharenbrock's with promise so it will interesting how he does this summer.  John Smith looks at freestyle success and does not even mention greco results when I have heard him talk so I am not going to either.

Junior-113 - Bill Prochniewski's place is unknown.
Match #1 Adrian Cordova (Colorado) over Bill Prochniewski (Wisconsin) Dec 4-2,4-0
Match #2 Bill Prochniewski (Wisconsin) over Chase Lynn (Iowa) Dec 3-1,6-0
Match #3 Will Kelly (Virginia) over Bill Prochniewski (Wisconsin) Dec 1-5,2-2,1-0

Junior-126 - Andrew Crone's place is unknown.
Match #1 Andrew Crone (Wisconsin) over Morgan Engbrecht (South Dakota) Dec 4-2,7-0
Match #2 Andrew Crone (Wisconsin) over Dylan Realbuto (New York) TF 7-1,6-0
Match #3 Andrew Crone (Wisconsin) over Chris Caldwell (California) Fall 0:13
Match #4 Andrew Crone (Wisconsin) over Alexander Rinaldi (New Jersey) Dec 6-1,7-3
Match #5 Andrew Crone (Wisconsin) over Chris Walters (Iowa) TF 6-0,6-0
Match #6 Andrew Crone (Wisconsin) received a bye.
Match #7 Godwin Nyama (Pennsylvania) over Andrew Crone (Wisconsin) Dec 5-0,4-0
Match #8 Garrison White (North Carolina) over Andrew Crone (Wisconsin) Dec 3-3,2-3,3-3

Junior-132 - Gabriel Grahek's place is unknown.
Match #1 Gabriel Grahek (Wisconsin) over Cole Sladek (Minnesota) Dec 1-2,1-0,2-1
Match #2 Gabriel Grahek (Wisconsin) over Jay Stine (Wyoming) TF 7-0,7-3
Match #3 Gabriel Grahek (Wisconsin) over Kyle Miller (Kansas) Dec 1-0,6-0
Match #4 Gabriel Grahek (Wisconsin) over Gary Dinmore (New Jersey) Dec 2-0,3-2
Match #5 Gabriel Grahek (Wisconsin) over Trent Nicholson (California) Fall 0-3,0:52
Match #6 Zane Richards (Illinois) over Gabriel Grahek (Wisconsin) Dec 3-0,6-0
Match #7 Gabriel Grahek (Wisconsin) over Mizam Tamaradze (Massachusetts) Dec 6-0,0-5,3-2
Match #8 Robbie Mathers (Arizona) over Gabriel Grahek (Wisconsin) TF 6-0,7-0

Junior-145 - Jared Scharenbrock's place is unknown.
Match #1 Jared Scharenbrock (Wisconsin) over Mike Longo (California) TF 11-4,6-0
Match #2 Jared Scharenbrock (Wisconsin) over Kolton Crawford (Arkansas) Fall 6-0,0:33
Match #3 Jared Scharenbrock (Wisconsin) over Rocco Borg (Michigan) TF 7-0,7-6,7-0
Match #4 Jack Bass (Texas) over Jared Scharenbrock (Wisconsin) Dec 8-0,5-4
Match #5 Jared Johnshoy (Idaho) over Jared Scharenbrock (Wisconsin) Dec 5-4,6-0

Junior-152 - Seth Liegel's place is 5th.
Match #1 Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) over Joshua Alston (North Carolina) TF 6-0,7-0
Match #2 Greg Hegarty (Missouri) over Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) Dec 4-2,4-1
Match #3 Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) over Leland Slawson (New York) Dec 1-0,3-0
Match #4 Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) over Richard Viruet (Massachusetts) Dec 7-0,3-0
Match #5 Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) received a bye.
Match #6 Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) over Tim Ostby (Minnesota) Dec 4-0,1-0
Match #7 Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) over Takil Agnew (Illinois) Dec 2-0,3-0
Match #8 Oliver Pierce (Texas) over Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) Dec 3-0,1-0
Match #9 Josh Llopez (Maryland) over Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) Dec 4-0,3-0
Match #10 Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) received a bye.
Match #11 Seth Liegel (Wisconsin) over Jake Elliott (California) Dec 4-1,4-1

Junior-170 - Jacob Stilling's place is unknown.
Match #1 Tyler Patrick (Maryland) over Jacob Stilling (Wisconsin) Dec 1-3,1-0,5-0
Match #2 Jacob Stilling (Wisconsin) over Aaron Maddox (Louisiana) Fall 0:24
Match #3 Brett Pfarr (Minnesota) over Jacob Stilling (Wisconsin) Dec 3-2,8-1

Junior-170 - Jacob Morrissey's place is unknown.
Match #1 Jacob Morrissey (Wisconsin) over Dominic Sipe (Texas) Dec 3-0,2-0
Match #2 Jacob Morrissey (Wisconsin) over Mason Bender (South Dakota) Fall 1:12
Match #3 Parker VonEgidy (North Carolina) over Jacob Morrissey (Wisconsin) Dec 3-5,1-0,3-0
Match #4 Trey Hable (Minnesota) over Jacob Morrissey (Wisconsin) Fall 5-2,1:50

Junior-182 - Aaron Rothwell's place is unknown.
Match #1 Aaron Rothwell (Wisconsin) over Joe Cordova (Ohio) Dec 9-5,5-0
Match #2 Aaron Rothwell (Wisconsin) over Brandon Marshall (Florida) TF 6-0,6-0
Match #3 Aaron Rothwell (Wisconsin) over Zachary Coffman (Utah) Dec 4-0,1-0
Match #4 Aaron Rothwell (Wisconsin) over Tanner O`Donnell (Kansas) Dec 1-0,7-0
Match #5 Richard Robertson (Illinois) over Aaron Rothwell (Wisconsin) Dec 7-0,1-0
Match #6 Aaron Rothwell (Wisconsin) over Joel Dixon (Oklahoma) Dec 1-0,3-2
Match #7 Jonathon Inman (Missouri) over Aaron Rothwell (Wisconsin) Fall 1:19

Junior-195 - Eric Peissig's place is unknown.
Match #1 Eric Peissig (Wisconsin) over Jimmy Szep (Ohio) Dec 2-0,0-1,7-2
Match #2 Willie Miklus (Iowa) over Eric Peissig (Wisconsin) Dec 7-0,2-3,5-3
Match #3 Eric Peissig (Wisconsin) over Mante Barnes (Pennsylvania) Dec 0-1,7-0,2-0
Match #4 Chris Pagan (Florida) over Eric Peissig (Wisconsin) Fall 0:49

Junior-285 - Jessie Nelson's place is unknown.
Match #1 Jeremy Brazil (Illinois) over Jessie Nelson (Wisconsin) Dec 1-1,3-0
Match #2 Jessie Nelson (Wisconsin) over Ed Torres (Washington) Dec 2-1,4-2
Match #3 Jessie Nelson (Wisconsin) over Jason Johnson (Maryland) Dec 4-2,1-0
Match #4 Charles Rassel (California) over Jessie Nelson (Wisconsin) Dec 3-1,2-0
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Gutwrench on March 28, 2013, 12:59:17 PM
Good data Billy, and valid points.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: BuckyMatRat on March 28, 2013, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: My2sense on March 26, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
While wearing my badger jacket over the weekend I was asked many times ,are you from Wisconsin . After I responded yes , their next question was so what's up with you guys and Barry?  They then said that they always thought Barry was a great coach but he doesn't seem to be getting it done. I feel that there is a national concern for our program not just in state.

Considering there was 8 of us at Des Moines all wearing Wisconsin gear every day and attended every session and not once were we asked 'what's up with Wisconsin and Barry?' I find your statement hard to believe.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Troy Grindle on March 28, 2013, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: Gutwrench on March 28, 2013, 10:00:27 AM
Quote from: Troy Grindle on March 26, 2013, 01:29:29 PM
The uw team would look pretty good right now if we had Pollizzi, Suffloen, AD, Peterson, Dunlap, Gruetner, Donar, Hucke, Monk, Nazar all on the roster.   

You point out wrestlers who are having a measure of success, but what about the other D1 recruited wrestlers from Wisconsin that haven't had a measure of success?  Joe Budi comes to mind as a recent stud HS wrestler who hasn't made a splash on the national scene while at Old Dominion.  The point is that recruiting is such an inexact science.  Yes we can all look back and say "I told you so" about AD and JS, but could anybody say with certainty that Monk and Hucke would have had the success they are having?

You are right it is a crap shoot on who will be good at the collegiate level.  Their have been so many kids that I thought were going to be awesome at the next level and did nothing while others really surprised me with their success in college.  I am just saying from a fans point of view it is hard to swallow seeing these kids leave the state to continue wrestling.  I wish the uw was 3-4 deep at every weight class and kids had a hard time cracking the starting lineup like at Penn State or Iowa but that isn't the case.  I also believe that Barry doesn't like seeing them leave either and would love for all of the in state kids to go to UW.  I think that majority of these kids wanted to wrestle at UW at some point in their life but don't end up doing it.  What changes?  Is it that they can't get in because of grades, go somewhere else for perceived "greener pastures", don't think that they will mesh with the coaching staff/team?  Some of them leave because they get a better offer from another college and I get that.  But something is changing these kids minds in coming to UW I think. 
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: DocWrestling on March 28, 2013, 03:50:45 PM
The wrestling family needs to realize that a football or basketball player growing up in Wisconsin sees UW on TV all the team and becomes a fan and mostl likely would love to attend their local university.

Wrestling is different.  The majority of HS wrestlers cannot name a badger wrestler but could name a badger basketball player more likely.  Very few HS wrestlers have even seen the Badgers wrestle or have ever heard their results.  What would they be falling in love with.  The basketball and football teams may make them a fan of the university.

How many kids have been to a dual?  UW wrestling is no different than UW baseball in terms of popularity amongst 5- 18 year olds and guess what UW does not have a baseball team.

It is much tougher to keep local talent in the non-revenue sports.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Scourge on April 01, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 26, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Harris on March 25, 2013, 09:26:58 PM
Reality Check (Top 10):

1.  Tyler Graff - 3rd Place NCAA, 3X All-American, best year ever, coming back
2.  Jackson Hein - NCAA qualifier, best year ever, coming back
3.  Connor Medbery - NCAA qualifier, Big Ten Freshman of the Year, coming back
4.  2013 NCAA Team Scores - Wisconsin finishes higher than Purdue, Michigan (Who has Donny Pritzlaff), Indiana, Michigan State AND 2013 Big Ten Conference Dual Standings Wisconsin finishes higher than Michigan (Who has Donny Pritzlaff), Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan State
5.  November 11, 2012 - Badgers open season with win over No. 25 Hofstra
6.  December 9, 2012 - Badgers upset No. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln
7.  January 13, 2013 - Badgers upset No. 11 Michigan to extend Big Ten win streak (Did I mention they have Donny P :)
8.  Redshirt Freshman and Unattached Results - Jesse Thielke (10-3, 6th Midlands), Isaac Jordan (23-2, 3rd Midlands), TJ Ruschell 15-2, Ryan Lubeck 25-6, Ryan Taylor (2012 top 50 recruit)
9.  Recruiting Class - Ricky Robertson (Illinois State Champ), Austin Moe (2X WI State Champ), Seth Liegel (WI State Champ), Andrew Crone (WI State Champ), Jake Stilling (WI State Champ), Justin Weber (IL 3rd State)
10.  Last year Big Ten dual record 0-8, NCAA record 41st, This year Big Ten dual record 4-4, NCAA record 27th

I would have to say that reality is looking pretty good from my point of view.  Great job Badger wrestlers and coaches!  Can't wait till next year.

Just to be clear, we beat Michigan in the dual and at the NCAA's, without using any of our freshman on varsity ? :-)


Michigan also has some very talented freshmen and a class that already has 4 of the top 16 recruits coming into next year while the top rated Badger recruit tops out at #81. 

Lets not start in on the "we beat Donny," thing until we actually give them a LITTLE time to develop their program and get some guys in there. 


Barry Davis has had 20 years.  Donny P has had ONE(and with how Massa did and their class for next year, a pretty good one).

Meanwhile, the top overall recruit next year at any weight....Bo JORDAN.  The only one in the family who decided not to attend Wisconsin to wrestle(may end up being the best as well).  And this is after Barry all but said he was coming to Wisconsin before the fallout by making some comment about potentially getting the #1 recruit from the 2013 class.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: Badger_Fan on April 01, 2013, 11:48:01 AM
Donny just completed his second year at Michigan.
Title: Re: Reality Check
Post by: imnofish on May 17, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
Quote from: Harris on March 25, 2013, 09:26:58 PM
Reality Check (Top 10):

1.  Tyler Graff - 3rd Place NCAA, 3X All-American, best year ever, coming back
2.  Jackson Hein - NCAA qualifier, best year ever, coming back
3.  Connor Medbery - NCAA qualifier, Big Ten Freshman of the Year, coming back
4.  2013 NCAA Team Scores - Wisconsin finishes higher than Purdue, Michigan (Who has Donny Pritzlaff), Indiana, Michigan State AND 2013 Big Ten Conference Dual Standings Wisconsin finishes higher than Michigan (Who has Donny Pritzlaff), Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan State
5.  November 11, 2012 - Badgers open season with win over No. 25 Hofstra
6.  December 9, 2012 - Badgers upset No. 9 Nebraska in Lincoln
7.  January 13, 2013 - Badgers upset No. 11 Michigan to extend Big Ten win streak (Did I mention they have Donny P :)
8.  Redshirt Freshman and Unattached Results - Jesse Thielke (10-3, 6th Midlands), Isaac Jordan (23-2, 3rd Midlands), TJ Ruschell 15-2, Ryan Lubeck 25-6, Ryan Taylor (2012 top 50 recruit)
9.  Recruiting Class - Ricky Robertson (Illinois State Champ), Austin Moe (2X WI State Champ), Seth Liegel (WI State Champ), Andrew Crone (WI State Champ), Jake Stilling (WI State Champ), Justin Weber (IL 3rd State)
10.  Last year Big Ten dual record 0-8, NCAA record 41st, This year Big Ten dual record 4-4, NCAA record 27th

I would have to say that reality is looking pretty good from my point of view.  Great job Badger wrestlers and coaches!  Can't wait till next year.

Great post!   8)  Solid improvement was evident from 2012 to 2013.  We should appreciate and respect that, as well as find it encouraging!