Are regionals and sectionals wrestling to a true 2nd?
Yeah they're to true second.
Quote from: Steve Heinzl on January 22, 2021, 09:34:26 PM
Yeah they're to true second.
Does it say this somewhere? I heard tonight that regionals was not. If a wrestler lost 1st round the best they can do is 5th. That didn't make sense to me.
Can be found here:
https://www.wiaawi.org/Portals/0/PDF/Publications/Winter_Sport_Regs/wrestlingtournregs.pdf
The brackets included on trackwrestling right now for the D1 regionals are the same as the typical D2 and D3 regional so they are a true second only if you are talking about the top 4. If a wrestler loses in the first round the best he can do is 5th.
Tom, they do not match the D1 brackets in the link you posted. That document still shows a regular regional and sectional bracket for each division and a 16 man and 12 man state bracket.
This is frustrating because track has an 8 man bracket where the semifinal losers cross to the backside and have to win to get to the 3rd place match, and whoever wins out to 3rd can still get a 2nd place wrestleback. They should use that bracket for both regionals and sectionals to get a more true team champ and to give all kids a guaranteed 2nd match at sectionals. Right now the sectional brackets being shown at D1 in track also mirror the traditional D2 and D3 brackets which means 1st round losers are going home unless the kid that beat them makes the finals.
This year that means the round of 32 (8 kids x 4 sectionals) which is typically our sectional semi-finalists. We are bringing these typical sectional semi-finalists along to the sectional tournament but sending 2 per bracket home after one loss.
To see any of the bracket types, select any regional or sectional on track, and then select "information" and then select "bracket types".
Just looked at the D1 regional brackets on track. Lose your first match the best you can do is 5th. This is inappropriate term01.
In Wisconsin we should just be happy there are any wrestlebacks. The goal is to crown a state champion. The rest of the kids do not matter much.
It takes planning, effort, and leadership to create a great experience for the masses.
Quote from: South Coach on January 22, 2021, 10:36:33 PMTom, they do not match the D1 brackets in the link you posted. That document still shows a regular regional and sectional bracket for each division and a 16 man and 12 man state bracket.
Was not aware. Thanks for the heads up. I'm a bit trackwrestling 'challenged' anyhow. Glad you pointed this out.
Quote from: MatScoutWillie on January 23, 2021, 07:24:22 AM
Just looked at the D1 regional brackets on track. Lose your first match the best you can do is 5th. This is inappropriate term01.
Either they changed the brackets, I'm looking at the wrong thing or I just don't understand.
Looking at the "8 Man WIAA D1 Regional View Sample"
If you lose bout 1 but then win bout 5, 9, & 13, aren't you 4th place? not 5th. Still not true 2nd but not 5th either. The loser of bout 13 would be 5th.
Quote from: imwi on January 23, 2021, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: MatScoutWillie on January 23, 2021, 07:24:22 AM
Just looked at the D1 regional brackets on track. Lose your first match the best you can do is 5th. This is inappropriate term01.
Either they changed the brackets, I'm looking at the wrong thing or I just don't understand.
Looking at the "8 Man WIAA D1 Regional View Sample"
If you lose bout 1 but then win bout 5, 9, & 13, aren't you 4th place? not 5th. Still not true 2nd but not 5th either. The loser of bout 13 would be 5th.
Better hope you win the first one!
Quote from: imwi on January 23, 2021, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: MatScoutWillie on January 23, 2021, 07:24:22 AM
Just looked at the D1 regional brackets on track. Lose your first match the best you can do is 5th. This is inappropriate term01.
Either they changed the brackets, I'm looking at the wrong thing or I just don't understand.
Looking at the "8 Man WIAA D1 Regional View Sample"
If you lose bout 1 but then win bout 5, 9, & 13, aren't you 4th place? not 5th. Still not true 2nd but not 5th either. The loser of bout 13 would be 5th.
"8 Man WIAA D1 Regional" is the actual name trackwrestling has assigned that type of bracket because it is the type of bracket created for D1 regionals on a regular year. If you are logged into a D1 regional for this year however, that bracket type is listed with all of the other types of brackets that exist in the trackwrestling site underneath the "Unadded Bracket Types"
The only bracket type that is listed underneath the "Added Bracket Types" is the bracket titled "8 Man WIAA D2/D3 Regional" which means we are using the bracket that D2 and D3 use during a normal season. And it sucks. What I'm saying is we could be using the one titled "8 Man WB-3rd Place 6" which has the most true 1st through 6th.
This is especially true for sectionals, where they are using the traditional D2/D3 sectional bracket but determining team state qualifiers. Look at the bracket labeled "8 Man WIAA D2/D3 Sectional"
If a kid loses in round 1 of sectionals whether or not he places (and scores points) is 100% depended on whether or not his round 1 opponent wins his next match! Imagine you and I are both sectional qualifiers (top 32 in the state). We both lose in round 1 but my round 1 opponent beats your round 1 opponent so I automatically place in the top 6 and score points and you are done without another match!
Thanks for clarifying that. I was going on the premise that you knew what your were talking about and I was missing something, so again, thanks
Quote from: South Coach on January 23, 2021, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: imwi on January 23, 2021, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: MatScoutWillie on January 23, 2021, 07:24:22 AM
Just looked at the D1 regional brackets on track. Lose your first match the best you can do is 5th. This is inappropriate term01.
Either they changed the brackets, I'm looking at the wrong thing or I just don't understand.
Looking at the "8 Man WIAA D1 Regional View Sample"
If you lose bout 1 but then win bout 5, 9, & 13, aren't you 4th place? not 5th. Still not true 2nd but not 5th either. The loser of bout 13 would be 5th.
"8 Man WIAA D1 Regional" is the actual name trackwrestling has assigned that type of bracket because it is the type of bracket created for D1 regionals on a regular year. If you are logged into a D1 regional for this year however, that bracket type is listed with all of the other types of brackets that exist in the trackwrestling site underneath the "Unadded Bracket Types"
The only bracket type that is listed underneath the "Added Bracket Types" is the bracket titled "8 Man WIAA D2/D3 Regional" which means we are using the bracket that D2 and D3 use during a normal season. And it sucks. What I'm saying is we could be using the one titled "8 Man WB-3rd Place 6" which has the most true 1st through 6th.
This is especially true for sectionals, where they are using the traditional D2/D3 sectional bracket but determining team state qualifiers. Look at the bracket labeled "8 Man WIAA D2/D3 Sectional"
If a kid loses in round 1 of sectionals whether or not he places (and scores points) is 100% depended on whether or not his round 1 opponent wins his next match! Imagine you and I are both sectional qualifiers (top 32 in the state). We both lose in round 1 but my round 1 opponent beats your round 1 opponent so I automatically place in the top 6 and score points and you are done without another match!
Why an individual format is always the dumbest way to decide anything team wise. Especially sectionals where 99-100% of teams with team state aspirations dont start with their full teams.
The fact we're wrestling at all is great so am happy they're doing a state series. In a messed up year why wouldnt it be a messed up way to do it. As long as they dont get strange ideas to keep this method of qualifying teams in the future, it works I guess.
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Why an individual format is always the dumbest way to decide anything team wise. Especially sectionals where 99-100% of teams with team state aspirations dont start with their full teams.
The fact we're wrestling at all is great so am happy they're doing a state series. In a messed up year why wouldnt it be a messed up way to do it. As long as they dont get strange ideas to keep this method of qualifying teams in the future, it works I guess.
what planet do you live on? Dude, be happy the kids have an event.
Quote from: NoFooForU on January 23, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
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Why an individual format is always the dumbest way to decide anything team wise. Especially sectionals where 99-100% of teams with team state aspirations dont start with their full teams.
The fact we're wrestling at all is great so am happy they're doing a state series. In a messed up year why wouldnt it be a messed up way to do it. As long as they dont get strange ideas to keep this method of qualifying teams in the future, it works I guess.
what planet do you live on? Dude, be happy the kids have an event.
I literally said I am happy they are ::)