Hello,
It is important to know and remember the WIAA and its officials are attempting to navigate a complex organization made up of complex members in a complex society while dealing with a complex medical crisis in this pandemic.
I personally don't believe the WIAA deserves to be attacked nor should individuals who work there be attacked over or in regards to their efforts to keep the children of our state as safe as possible during this crisis.
UNCERTAIN is the word that encompasses everything to do with this pandemic.
In my opinion the alternative to the safeguards and cautious steps being taken by the WIAA is to have no athletics sponsored what so ever.
The WIAA has a very good, experienced medical team assembled as their Medical Advisory Board.
Much, if not all of the safeguards come from and thanks to this medical team.
I would want no less from an organization who has the best interests of our kids in mind.
In my opinion everyone should step back and take a good look at the forest and not just the trees.
To those of you with children, they are your most valuable possession. The WIAA is doing their best to take steps to be sure they are protected as well as the families and communities around them.
This pandemic is not just about a hand full of contests, it is about life and death and the future health of our kids.
Please take a deep breath and a step back and a long look at the real goals here; the best interests of our kids.
Well said.
While I agree on most counts, this is a bit dramatic. It's not life and death with these athletes. Look at the CDC or WI DEPT of HEALTH numbers. The kids are more at risk to drive to these tournaments than to actually participate in them. My son went to a tournament this summer with 2500 wrestlers from 42 different states. All went well. The people in charge are more concerned about their own liability than the mental state of the kids as a result of their decisions being conservative. Open the doors.
We are in middle of some very UNCERTAINt times which we should all agree upon! I also would agree with TOM that surely no one should be attacked on a personal level. But from my vantage point (general public standpoint) that's the only things through all of this that are agreeable.
The WIAA adopted what the NFHS had published months ahead of time (no real big surprise.)
IF "The WIAA is doing their best to take steps to be sure they are protected as well as the families and communities around them" then why is it okay for some to have season's and others not. Is this from their medical professionals? If that is the case then shouldn't the WIAA be supporting all communities? Supporting the rights for all to have a season, or eliminating all seasons all together. I know it is more complicated than that....
It just seem like they have gotten good at "Kicking the Can down the Road"
Does the WIAA have any control over what an athlete does on his own time?
If they do, why?
Any type of season is better than none at all. This is my 32 season as a coach, and I have come to under stand that many things are out of my control. We teach our athletes to adapt to all situations now its our turn. Every night I pray that things get better for all of us. These wrestlers will have more difficult things than this Covid happen in their lives. Now is the time to give them the tools they will need to deal with them. Good luck to everyone and God bless.
Quote from: Bob Garrou on November 25, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
Any type of season is better than none at all. This is my 32 season as a coach, and I have come to under stand that many things are out of my control. We teach our athletes to adapt to all situations now its our turn. Every night I pray that things get better for all of us. These wrestlers will have more difficult things than this Covid happen in their lives. Now is the time to give them the tools they will need to deal with them. Good luck to everyone and God bless.
Plus 100
Quote from: thequad on November 25, 2020, 01:55:29 PM
Does the WIAA have any control over what an athlete does on his own time?
If they do, why?
Most schools have an athletic code and there are penalties for violating that. Is that the WIAA per se? maybe not but it's definitely controlling what athletes do on their own time
Quote from: Bob Garrou on November 25, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
Any type of season is better than none at all. This is my 32 season as a coach, and I have come to under stand that many things are out of my control. We teach our athletes to adapt to all situations now its our turn. Every night I pray that things get better for all of us. These wrestlers will have more difficult things than this Covid happen in their lives. Now is the time to give them the tools they will need to deal with them. Good luck to everyone and God bless.
+1,000,000!
That's what makes forums great, EVERYONE GETS TO HAVE AN OPINION. I along with many others do not agree with the WIAA and their decision making. Are we not allowed to voice that? Why can people that agree with it? People are attacking WIAA reps? In what way? Physically? If it's people voicing their displeasure, I'm sure the WIAA reps will be just fine. Are people voicing their frustrations and concerns? Of course. As they should. All the WIAA cares about is their liability. Everyone knows this. I could care less if they canceled the season. Give up 7-8 matches!?!?!?! Big deal. You'd be a fool to think there's going to be a state tournament. The WIAA should let go and let the WWF run the season.
"This pandemic is not just about a hand full of contests, it is about life and death and the future health of our kids." This looks to be straight from CNN. Life and Death?!!?!?!?!?!? FYI, kids are fine when it comes to covid. Look it up.
Quote from: MatScoutWillie on November 26, 2020, 08:43:39 AM
That's what makes forums great, EVERYONE GETS TO HAVE AN OPINION. I along with many others do not agree with the WIAA and their decision making. Are we not allowed to voice that? Why can people that agree with it? People are attacking WIAA reps? In what way? Physically? If it's people voicing their displeasure, I'm sure the WIAA reps will be just fine. Are people voicing their frustrations and concerns? Of course. As they should. All the WIAA cares about is their liability. Everyone knows this. I could care less if they canceled the season. Give up 7-8 matches!?!?!?! Big deal. You'd be a fool to think there's going to be a state tournament. The WIAA should let go and let the WWF run the season.
"This pandemic is not just about a hand full of contests, it is about life and death and the future health of our kids." This looks to be straight from CNN. Life and Death?!!?!?!?!?!? FYI, kids are fine when it comes to covid. Look it up.
While it is fine to voice disagreements and displeasures, name calling isn't needed. Tom is mostly directing his statement at that. Also, masks and wrestling is okay. It can work.
And there is a good chance of a WIAA state series, once these December duals go well.
Enjoy your day my friend.
Quote from: imwi on November 25, 2020, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: thequad on November 25, 2020, 01:55:29 PM
Does the WIAA have any control over what an athlete does on his own time?
If they do, why?
Most schools have an athletic code and there are penalties for violating that. Is that the WIAA per se? maybe not but it's definitely controlling what athletes do on their own time
So if the School doesn't have a rule for wrestling in non school tournaments a wrestler can?
I am just trying to find out a way the wrestlers can get more matches!
Ok I get it be nice. It's hard to be nice however, when you see that basketball is allowed to be played on consecutive days. It's hard to be nice when different sports are treated unfairly. You can't tell me that basketball is safer than wrestling considering the amount of players you are in contact with, and also considering that you are allowed to play back to back days.
These are the days that I wish I were and attorney so that I could challenge this idiocracy myself.
Brookfield is hosting nthe Brookfield Central Thanksgiving Shootout. A tournament non the less.
I know you all mean well, but sitting back and letting the WIAA run wrestling like this is a shame.
It's not life and death with these athletes :o Catzfan, sadly it is! well said Tom ;)
Quote from: catzfan on November 25, 2020, 11:37:09 AM
While I agree on most counts, this is a bit dramatic. It's not life and death with these athletes. Look at the CDC or WI DEPT of HEALTH numbers. The kids are more at risk to drive to these tournaments than to actually participate in them. My son went to a tournament this summer with 2500 wrestlers from 42 different states. All went well. The people in charge are more concerned about their own liability than the mental state of the kids as a result of their decisions being conservative. Open the doors.
With an airborne contagious virus, one must look several steps beyond the individual wrestler. Ref, Bus driver, Coaches, and all of their families and people they come in contact with. If we had all wrestlers in a bubble, and zero contact with anyone else for the entire season, THEN your argument might be valid. As is, it's not.
Quote from: Handles II on December 01, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: catzfan on November 25, 2020, 11:37:09 AM
While I agree on most counts, this is a bit dramatic. It's not life and death with these athletes. Look at the CDC or WI DEPT of HEALTH numbers. The kids are more at risk to drive to these tournaments than to actually participate in them. My son went to a tournament this summer with 2500 wrestlers from 42 different states. All went well. The people in charge are more concerned about their own liability than the mental state of the kids as a result of their decisions being conservative. Open the doors.
With an airborne contagious virus, one must look several steps beyond the individual wrestler. Ref, Bus driver, Coaches, and all of their families and people they come in contact with. If we had all wrestlers in a bubble, and zero contact with anyone else for the entire season, THEN your argument might be valid. As is, it's not.
Refs were a mask (which are supposed to help right?), there are no buses this year (because of the most deadly virus known to mankind), coaches wear a mask, and all the families will be required to wear a mask if attending. If you don't want to go, don't go!!!
Quote from: MatScoutWillie on December 01, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: Handles II on December 01, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: catzfan on November 25, 2020, 11:37:09 AM
While I agree on most counts, this is a bit dramatic. It's not life and death with these athletes. Look at the CDC or WI DEPT of HEALTH numbers. The kids are more at risk to drive to these tournaments than to actually participate in them. My son went to a tournament this summer with 2500 wrestlers from 42 different states. All went well. The people in charge are more concerned about their own liability than the mental state of the kids as a result of their decisions being conservative. Open the doors.
With an airborne contagious virus, one must look several steps beyond the individual wrestler. Ref, Bus driver, Coaches, and all of their families and people they come in contact with. If we had all wrestlers in a bubble, and zero contact with anyone else for the entire season, THEN your argument might be valid. As is, it's not.
Refs were a mask (which are supposed to help right?), there are no buses this year (because of the most deadly virus known to mankind), coaches wear a mask, and all the families will be required to wear a mask if attending. If you don't want to go, don't go!!!
+100000 Don't let the kids suffer because your scared Handles. If your at risk stay home, stay distanced, mask, etc.
Handles doesn't sound like he is scared to go. He sounds like he understands the world is bigger than himself and that it is very possible that someone at one of these meets carries the virus to someone not at the meet who could die from it. I appreciate your concern for others Handles.
Quote from: wrastle63 on December 01, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: MatScoutWillie on December 01, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: Handles II on December 01, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: catzfan on November 25, 2020, 11:37:09 AM
While I agree on most counts, this is a bit dramatic. It's not life and death with these athletes. Look at the CDC or WI DEPT of HEALTH numbers. The kids are more at risk to drive to these tournaments than to actually participate in them. My son went to a tournament this summer with 2500 wrestlers from 42 different states. All went well. The people in charge are more concerned about their own liability than the mental state of the kids as a result of their decisions being conservative. Open the doors.
With an airborne contagious virus, one must look several steps beyond the individual wrestler. Ref, Bus driver, Coaches, and all of their families and people they come in contact with. If we had all wrestlers in a bubble, and zero contact with anyone else for the entire season, THEN your argument might be valid. As is, it's not.
Refs were a mask (which are supposed to help right?), there are no buses this year (because of the most deadly virus known to mankind), coaches wear a mask, and all the families will be required to wear a mask if attending. If you don't want to go, don't go!!!
+100000 Don't let the kids suffer because your scared Handles. If your at risk stay home, stay distanced, mask, etc.
I'm not scared. And how are kids suffering? Let's not pretend that wearing a mask is some sort of tragedy, when in fact this virus has been an actual tradgedy to many people. I'm pointing out that this is not simply about the two kids who are on the mat when people say this isn't a life-or-death virus. If it was only high school kids, who had zero contact with other people, then I'd say let them wrestle without masks and not worry about it. That isn't the case at all. Thus thinking of others who those kids will be in contact with is critical. I'll say that if you don't want to follow the regulations set in place, then find something else to do. The kids who want to wrestle are already masked up and practicing each night. Seems like the biggest complainers of all of this are the adult males. Nary a peep from the kids.
Just an FYI, buses are running. Most schools are not requiring athletes to get places on their own especially if a dual is 40-60 minutes away
We run buses.
I love that "scared" crap. Don't agree with my take, you must be scared.
Kids are, for the most part, safe; but they make fine spreaders. Have to take that into account. We just had a positive bus driver come back; but he was afraid he wouldn't come back.
Quote from: dforsythe on December 01, 2020, 01:23:47 PM
Handles doesn't sound like he is scared to go. He sounds like he understands the world is bigger than himself and that it is very possible that someone at one of these meets carries the virus to someone not at the meet who could die from it. I appreciate your concern for others Handles.
Thanks. Same back at you.
Pretty sure I need to stop reading these posts! Seems like I just get angry when I read all the ignorance. I'm not talking about the ignorance regarding the virus. My displeasure comes when I read about the haves and have nots.
Keep in mind that many will likely never see the hallways of their High School this school year,let alone their wrestling room, or graduating 2021 teammates from the year before. Many Seniors will not be allowed to lace up their shoes and proudly wear their school colors. Many didn't even get to experience the enjoyment of a end of the year banquet and the opportunity to wish goodwill to the graduation class of 2020.
There are many kids out there that would love the opportunity to:
Be able to be at school
Be able to see their teammates
Be able to practice with or without a stupid mask
Be able to have the opportunity to wrestle 7 duals
I guess it's not the complaining that bothers me, but merely the simple fact that most are unaware there are areas in the state the will have NOTHING for a season!
Quote from: Handles II on December 01, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: catzfan on November 25, 2020, 11:37:09 AM
While I agree on most counts, this is a bit dramatic. It's not life and death with these athletes. Look at the CDC or WI DEPT of HEALTH numbers. The kids are more at risk to drive to these tournaments than to actually participate in them. My son went to a tournament this summer with 2500 wrestlers from 42 different states. All went well. The people in charge are more concerned about their own liability than the mental state of the kids as a result of their decisions being conservative. Open the doors.
With an airborne contagious virus, one must look several steps beyond the individual wrestler. Ref, Bus driver, Coaches, and all of their families and people they come in contact with. If we had all wrestlers in a bubble, and zero contact with anyone else for the entire season, THEN your argument might be valid. As is, it's not.
The fact is that these tournaments did happen, refs where there, coaches were there, table workers were there and etc.....so now what? What also is amazing is their were tournaments every weekend since June all over the nation.
Yes there is risks involved but looks like many will take that risk to give the kids a chance to wrestle or play their respective sports.
Quote from: hornbuckleb on December 01, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
Pretty sure I need to stop reading these posts! Seems like I just get angry when I read all the ignorance. I'm not talking about the ignorance regarding the virus. My displeasure comes when I read about the haves and have nots.
Keep in mind that many will likely never see the hallways of their High School this school year,let alone their wrestling room, or graduating 2021 teammates from the year before. Many Seniors will not be allowed to lace up their shoes and proudly wear their school colors. Many didn't even get to experience the enjoyment of a end of the year banquet and the opportunity to wish goodwill to the graduation class of 2020.
There are many kids out there that would love the opportunity to:
Be able to be at school
Be able to see their teammates
Be able to practice with or without a stupid mask
Be able to have the opportunity to wrestle 7 duals
I guess it's not the complaining that bothers me, but merely the simple fact that most are unaware there are areas in the state the will have NOTHING for a season!
True, it is often overlooked that there are schools that will not have seasons and in a growing number of states are following suit. We will only know how this effects lur youth after several years which is going to be to long for some.
Quote from: littleguy301 on December 02, 2020, 05:36:25 AM
Quote from: Handles II on December 01, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: catzfan on November 25, 2020, 11:37:09 AM
While I agree on most counts, this is a bit dramatic. It's not life and death with these athletes. Look at the CDC or WI DEPT of HEALTH numbers. The kids are more at risk to drive to these tournaments than to actually participate in them. My son went to a tournament this summer with 2500 wrestlers from 42 different states. All went well. The people in charge are more concerned about their own liability than the mental state of the kids as a result of their decisions being conservative. Open the doors.
With an airborne contagious virus, one must look several steps beyond the individual wrestler. Ref, Bus driver, Coaches, and all of their families and people they come in contact with. If we had all wrestlers in a bubble, and zero contact with anyone else for the entire season, THEN your argument might be valid. As is, it's not.
The fact is that these tournaments did happen, refs where there, coaches were there, table workers were there and etc.....so now what? What also is amazing is their were tournaments every weekend since June all over the nation.
Yes there is risks involved but looks like many will take that risk to give the kids a chance to wrestle or play their respective sports.
Exactly. I do think their will be a potential issue with refs as in numbers. I am sure some of the older refs may not want to ref this year because of there risk and that is their choice. I fully support them and that choice, but that doesn't mean we should shut the kids season down.
We're lucky in finding good refs so far. Any out there that can't find officials? I could see that as a potential problem in many corners of WI. I'll be announcing our dual Friday night. Can't wait to see some action. "That's TWO!"
I sure can empathize with those of you who have no in-person school. I can see the appreciation from our kids. Great behavior, nose to the grindstone in a hard year for kids in-person. Couldn't imagine full virtual or even blended for a year. Blah.