Nic Aguilar over Eric Barnett 6-0
Alex Thomsen over Liam Cronin 17-12
(Eric will receive a bye next round, will face Alex Thomsen or Devin Schroder in Round of 12)
Tristan Moran over Matt Santos 11-0
Tristan will face Chad Red in the quarterfinals)
Gerard Angelo over Cole Martin 15-11 - Martin gave up two 4 point near falls
Cole will face Ryan Garlitz (Maryland) next round
Ryan Thomas over Garrett Model 12-6 (Gave up a 6 point move late)
Garrett vs Bo Pipher Penn State next round
What just happened with Wick?!?!?!?
Unforseen medical condition for Wick and withdrawing from the tournament
Coach Bono issued statement regarding withdrawing Evan Wick from Big Ten Tournament due to unforeseen medical condition and hoping for an at-large bid to NCAA Tournament
Quote from: crossface21 on March 07, 2020, 10:19:24 AM
Unforseen medical condition for Wick and withdrawing from the tournament
We will see how things go in two weeks but the first 90 minutes of Big 10's has been about as bad as things can get for Wisconsin.
Loss at 125, Win at 141, Loss at 149 with a 6 seed, Loss at 157 in match even in the third period, then the #3 ranked guy in the country defaults out of Big 10's with zero team points, and now a loss at 184.
Heck Barry Davis took heat for guys losing matches by a point or two, these guys are losing by 4 or 5 today.
All the best to him - I guess a ray of light is the hope for the NCAA at large berth in the statement. Tough start to the day really turned awful with this news.
Wow...rough start...
Owen Webster over Johnny Sebasitan 9-3
Johnny receives a bye next round and will face either Zach Braunagel or Cam Caffey in the Round of 12
Joey Gunther beat Jared Krattiger 2-1 TB1
Kratty will face either Layne Malczewski or Michael Kemerer in the Round of 12
Christian Brunner over Taylor Watkins 7-6
Taylor faces Nick May next round
Trent Hillger beats Jacob Heyob by techical fall 15-0
Seth Gross defeats Joey Silva 10-7
Chad Red defeats Tristan Moran 10-4
Not a good start for Bucky. Yikes.
Hopefully the majority of the team has a great backside of the bracket. Awful start. Still obviously have faith in Bono, but this is not a good start. Recruiting is huge for the future of the program.
Ouch! I was hoping for a better start for the Badgers. Let's go!
PLACE TEAM POINTS CH CONS 1 2 3 4
1 Iowa 29 9 1 - - - -
2 Nebraska 27.5 8 2 - - - -
3 Northwestern 23 5 5 - - - -
3 Ohio State 23 8 2 - - - -
5 Penn State 22 6 4 - - - -
6 Michigan 19 5 5 - - - -
7 Minnesota 18 7 3 - - - -
8 Purdue 13.5 4 6 - - - -
9 Wisconsin 12.5 2 7 - - - -
10 Rutgers 10.5 4 6 - - - -
11 Illinois 9 4 6 - - - -
12 Indiana 4 1 8 - - - -
12 Michigan State 4 3 7 - - - -
14 Maryland - - 10 - - - -
Trent Hillger defeats David Jensen 7-2 (4 point cradle in the 3rd period)
Couple of bright spots - keep it up!
Cole Martin wins by pin over Ryan Garlitz 2:41
Garrett Model win by technical fall over Bo Pipher 18-1
Nick May defeats Taylor Watkins 3-1
Round of 12 Matchups
125 - Eric Barnett vs Alex Thomsen
141 - Tristan Moran vs JoJo Aragona
149 - Cole Martin vs Graham Rooks
157 - Garrett Model vs Elijah Cleary
174 - Jared Krattiger vs Layne Malczewski
184 - Johnny Sebastian vs Danny Braunagel
Semi-final Matchups
133 - Seth Gross vs Sebastian Rivera
285 - Trent Hillger vs Mason Parris
Heck Barry Davis took heat for guys losing matches by a point or two, these guys are losing by 4 or 5 today.
Hopefully some of the people on this website who gave Barry crap for so many years now realize it ain't as easy as it looks from the other side of your computer screen. Maybe he didn't do all that bad a job considering there seems to be a ceiling on this program.
I mean, what can you say? The curse of UW wrestling, all the pieces you need to win are never in one place at the same time and it seems to go back for ages. Wick out of the tournament with illness and you can't tell me that didn't cast a pall on the other wrestlers' performances going in knowing they had a shot to do well in this tournament and to see one of your big guns disarmed before it even begins, well, you wouldn't be human if it didn't affect you in some fashion even though you have to overcome it. Unfortunately the Badgers are not at the point as a program where it can be so easily overcome.
Hopefully they can salvage something but very disappointing. No way around it.
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 07, 2020, 02:05:03 PM
Heck Barry Davis took heat for guys losing matches by a point or two, these guys are losing by 4 or 5 today.
Hopefully some of the people on this website who gave Barry crap for so many years now realize it ain't as easy as it looks from the other side of your computer screen. Maybe he didn't do all that bad a job considering there seems to be a ceiling on this program.
I mean, what can you say? The curse of UW wrestling, all the pieces you need to win are never in one place at the same time and it seems to go back for ages. Wick out of the tournament with illness and you can't tell me that didn't cast a pall on the other wrestlers' performances going in knowing they had a shot to do well in this tournament and to see one of your big guns disarmed before it even begins, well, you wouldn't be human if it didn't affect you in some fashion even though you have to overcome it. Unfortunately the Badgers are not at the point as a program where it can be so easily overcome.
Hopefully they can salvage something but very disappointing. No way around it.
I understand the frustration but it is only Bono's second year. At least give him until his 4th or 5th year to start analyzing his success. Heck, Barry Alvarez had a losing record his first 3 years until HIS recruits became juniors and seniors.
I feel bad for Wick. Hope he can wrestle at NCAA's.
I'm not ripping on Bono, not in the least. It wouldn't be fair (especially with Wick going down) and he's done a lot of good for the program in just two years. But what fans have to understand is that UW's problems in wrestling go a lot deeper than one coach and that means one coach just by his mere presence can't just snap his fingers and make a NCAA championship team. That's been my point since I've joined this board and because of this I felt a lot of people were unfair to Barry Davis. Recruiting good wrestlers will solve some of those problems but the most important thing that has to change is culture which struggles to overcome adversity, whether as a program or even in a match. As we saw today, an adverse situation did not bring out the best out of UW wrestlers in Session 1, at least not initially. Hopefully they'll do better in subsequent rounds now that the shock of Wick's sudden departure has worn off but that was a bad a start UW could have possibly have had and they'll be lucky just to match what they did last season in the B1G tourney.
One more thing, you raise expectations and when they don't match-up with reality, the letdown is even greater. But that's the nature of sport and there's no escaping it.
Not good at all and this team is a lot better than the team will be next year. Hoping for some good news on Wick.
Eric Barnett vs Thomsen
Big match for Eric. Pinned him only time they met.
Tough loss
Does anyone think Barnett will redshirt one of the next 3 years? Hopefully we will have much better depth. No way the redshirt worked out as planned for him or Christiansen. I know their future is bright ... as is the program under Bono.
Nice win by Tristan Moran
Cole Martin with the pin. Nice few matches by the Badgers.
Garrett Model with the win. 3 Badger wins in a row. Nice job.
Don't get me wrong, it's been a tough day so far, but it's great to see UW stringing together some wins. I think that all of us can agree that grit, determination, momentum and sometimes just a plain old "F It" attitude are huge in this sport, so hopefully we can see that the rest of tonight and tomorrow too.
Love Model staying on the attack. Hope he can get the next one tonight as well.
I expect huge growth for him over the next year.
Quote from: Harris on March 07, 2020, 06:15:45 PM
Garrett Model with the win. 3 Badger wins in a row. Nice job.
+1 or I say +3
Quote from: onwisconsin on March 07, 2020, 06:16:47 PM
Love Model staying on the attack. Hope he can get the next one tonight as well.
I expect huge growth for him over the next year.
Young losses so he gets IL. GO get'em
Agreed Luke.
Terps stepping up with the alternate uni's today.
Big win by Sebastian at 184. Nice.
Congrats Johnny!
I'm sure that Watkins is feeling really, really PO'd watching guys that beat him in very close matches moving on and wrestling later in the tournament. Probably all of us remember that stinging feeling....
Quote from: onwisconsin on March 07, 2020, 06:31:03 PM
Agreed Luke.
Terps stepping up with the alternate uni's today.
That is the only thing they can talk about as they have yet to win a match lol
not what I expected there
Tough day..... :(
Part of me really thinks if Gross stayed on the attack he wouldn't be in those close matches. Great in all positions....absolutely, but most of the time when he gets after it on his feet... he finishes.
This is the make or break round. Needs wins from Moran, Martin, Model, and Johnny.
How will they seed 133 now? Is it as simple as their places this weekend?
Quote from: onwisconsin on March 07, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
How will they seed 133 now? Is it as simple as their places this weekend?
1.Whoever wins Big Tens 2. Chaz Tucker 3/4 Gross or other Big Finalist 5.Desanto
Eric Barnett just pinned Brandon Cray in the 9th Place Bracket.
He has Patrick McKee next.
Quote from: Luke Louison on March 07, 2020, 08:52:26 PM
My overarching feeling coming off today is that we have a bunch of 5th and 6th year seniors that are worn out and ready to be done wrestling.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's just a bad day. But that's what it felt like.
A couple of us were having the same discussion. Some of the guys look burnt out. They look flat, and have so for about the last 4-6 weeks. One of the the guys said "I truly believe the whole team is breaking down physically and mentally. Bono is trying to install a Iowa type of mentality and work ethic but these are Davis guys. Not Iowa's type of grinder." Obviously the irony is that Davis was an Iowa guy.
UW did not have a great day. Even if Wick was wrestling they'd only be sitting in about 7th. With all that said: Maryland went 0-25 today. 0-25. Let that sink in. How bad is that??? MSU had some really lean years. UW even had a year that they only scored like 9 points. It could be waaaaaaay worse.
Quote from: crossface21 on March 07, 2020, 09:04:10 PM
Quote from: Luke Louison on March 07, 2020, 08:52:26 PM
My overarching feeling coming off today is that we have a bunch of 5th and 6th year seniors that are worn out and ready to be done wrestling.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's just a bad day. But that's what it felt like.
A couple of us were having the same discussion. Some of the guys look burnt out. They look flat, and have so for about the last 4-6 weeks. One of the the guys said "I truly believe the whole team is breaking down physically and mentally. Bono is trying to install a Iowa type of mentality and work ethic but these are Davis guys. Not Iowa's type of grinder." Obviously the irony is that Davis was an Iowa guy.
We are in the middle of a coaching change and have transfers from other programs. Next year will be a much different team without Gross, Moran, Martin, Sebastian, and Watkins. We lose some of our top level talent, but those spots will be filled by Bono's recruits. It might not be as good of a team next year, but I think there will be more drive with fresh guys looking to make a name for themselves.
Barry's guys? Are you kidding me? 125 Not Barry's Guy...133 Not Barry's Guy 141 Not Barry's Guy. 184 Not Barry's Guy. 197 Not Barry's Guy
If you going to give Bono and staff the benefits of having Barry's guys at 165 and 285 he gets credit for 174 Only been coached by Bono and Co. 157 2/3 years with Bono. Then Martin @149
Also late add here. Do you think Bono and staff sit back and say yea we are not winning because these are not our guys? I highly doubt that!
Quote from: The Legend on March 07, 2020, 09:17:07 PM
Barry's guys? Are you kidding me? 125 Not Barry's Guy...133 Not Barry's Guy 141 Not Barry's Guy. 184 Not Barry's Guy. 197 Not Barry's Guy
If you going to give Bono and staff the benefits of having Barry's guys at 165 and 285 he gets credit for 174 Only been coached by Bono and Co. 157 2/3 years with Bono. Then Martin @149
It's a knee jerk reaction. A couple guys today didn't perform early on. They wrestled back and did well. I think we'd just like more consistency and to beat a guy that they aren't suppose to beat. With that said, In Bono We Trust. In a few years, I don't think there will be the inconsistency in the lineup that there is right now.
Off topic, but i sat by all of our coaches at individual state last weekend. If those 3 guys don't have it figured out i don't know who ever will. Give it time, all i can say.
Here's to hoping for Gross and Hilger to both place 3rd. I'm doubting it. Gross hands out opportunities for his opponents to score on him, and it sometimes happens.
Hilger could beat Cass but he's going to need to be getting better angles and way more aggressive than he normally does. He will have to force at least one stalling point.
If Wick was healthy and a top 4 finisher, we would bump up about two or three spots as a team, right about where they should be.
If Gross ends up 4th to a RYB 1st, and that's the seed at Nationals, I don't think he makes the finals.
I hope im wrong.
Quote from: crossface21 on March 07, 2020, 09:10:08 PM
UW did not have a great day. Even if Wick was wrestling they'd only be sitting in about 7th. With all that said: Maryland went 0-25 today. 0-25. Let that sink in. How bad is that??? MSU had some really lean years. UW even had a year that they only scored like 9 points. It could be waaaaaaay worse.
LOL!!! Maryland is soooo bad, they had to wear JV uniforms today!!! ;D
Zing!!!!
Quote from: jeast on March 08, 2020, 08:56:17 AM
Quote from: crossface21 on March 07, 2020, 09:10:08 PM
UW did not have a great day. Even if Wick was wrestling they'd only be sitting in about 7th. With all that said: Maryland went 0-25 today. 0-25. Let that sink in. How bad is that??? MSU had some really lean years. UW even had a year that they only scored like 9 points. It could be waaaaaaay worse.
LOL!!! Maryland is soooo bad, they had to wear JV uniforms today!!! ;D
I think Max M may have to wear the jv uniform the rest of today. ;)
"A couple of us were having the same discussion. Some of the guys look burnt out. They look flat, and have so for about the last 4-6 weeks. One of the the guys said "I truly believe the whole team is breaking down physically and mentally. Bono is trying to install a Iowa type of mentality and work ethic but these are Davis guys. Not Iowa's type of grinder." Obviously the irony is that Davis was an Iowa guy."
We should not be talking about "Barry guys" or "Bono guys" because if the insinuation is that "Barry's guys" are soft and unable to take this "Iowa-like mentality" please explain why Connor Brown, Beau Breske aren't out there or Watkins bust of a season or Gross falling short of the finals or other younger wrestlers not developing throughout the season.
I know talk about "culture" is a cliche but look at from this point of view. UW's men's basketball team. They play in the toughest conference in the country and find a way to go from 13-11 and 6-6 to B1G champions. They know how to fight. They don't let adversity stand in their way. Likewise, the women's hockey team. Champions. They know how to win. They know what it takes to win. It's baked into the team and every player on that team from the moment they walk in the door when they're freshman.
UW wrestling does not have that kind of mentality. Some individuals have had it over the years but not as a collective whole and not in the same manner as Iowa for so many years or developed like Penn State or Ohio State or even Minnesota. I would hope someone like Gross who has won at the top levels of college wrestling can help in developing that mentality for this team because it would be an awful waste of his time here if it never filtered down.
If Bono is trying to instill "a Iowa type of mentality and work ethic" (and who wouldn't no matter what the team) then it's going to come through his recruiting efforts in finding not just good wrestlers but those willing to pay the price to be champions and somehow instilling it into the athletes he has so they do give their absolute best so they are at their peak by the time they're seniors, not looking for the exits. So far the results on paper have been disappointing, you can't sugarcoat it. But there's time to turn it around, both today and in the NCAA meet and for the next few seasons as those recruits begin to fill in spots in the line-up. That's where it has to come from.
A Question bit off topic.
Who was the last Wisconsin native to win the Big 10? Was it Trevor Brandvold in 2010?
Let's give a lot of credit to th BTN broadcast. That was absolutely to notch. Loved the aspect of Dan leading into the commercials.
So what is up with Wick? Was he sick or something? Tweaked something in warmups?
Quote from: leg turk on March 09, 2020, 07:49:40 AM
So what is up with Wick? Was he sick or something? Tweaked something in warmups?
I doubt the University or coaches are ever going to publicly release specific health information on student athletes. There is no requirement to do so.
In regards to wrestling, if someone has a specific injured area, and your opponent knows it, he can use injury information to gain an advantage and come up with a strategy to win.
Where to find results?
Quote from: Dale on March 09, 2020, 12:48:55 PM
Where to find results?
https://arena.flowrestling.org/
scroll down and search big ten under Results
Does anyone think that Gross is just playing around out there? The eternal optimist in me thinks that he's just out there seeing what happens and having fun, even in the highest level matches. I think he believes he can win no matter who he is wrestling or the situation, and he's putting himself in spots to try them out.
I guess we'll see in two weeks.
Crazy you said that Ghetto!!! I see the same thing and said that to my wife as we were watching him wrestle this weekend.............as you said I guess we will see in two weeks
I was thinking that too. It just seems like it doesn't bother him if he loses and is just messing around in a way. Maybe he's just learning the enemy's arsenal, before dropping the hammer at NCAA's.
Quote from: leg turk on March 09, 2020, 01:36:23 PM
I was thinking that too. It just seems like it doesn't bother him if he loses and is just messing around in a way. Maybe he's just learning the enemy's arsenal, before dropping the hammer at NCAA's.
I really hope he will drop the hammer, especially on top. That's the part I expected to see more of. Just locking dudes down on top. He can get to his offense, and he's clearly super comfortable defending a shot.
I have thought that he looks bored at times in duals. But no way I can believe that winning a Big Ten title was not a huge goal for him.
Bored, overconfident, just having fun and trying things, etc?
Rivera brought it this weekend. Gross will have to take it to another level at NCAA's
Good thing for Seth is how the bracket looks like it could shake out for seeding...
1. Rivera
2. Gross
3. Tucker
4/5. RBY/Phillipi
6. DeSanto
Would set up pretty smooth sailing to the semi-finals against Tucker or round 4 vs. DeSanto and avoid Rivera/RBY until a potential final, who are IMO clearly the toughest matchups for Seth. DeSanto is always going to be a tough one, but he's a bit of a one-trick pony and having felt that pace 3 times now I'd think Seth has to feel good about beating him again. I'm not sure DeSanto has the ability to make the adjustments to his game plan the way Seth does.
Then a 6th year senior Seth Gross in his home state, possibly last match of the night. I like Seth in that moment every time.
Quote from: oregoncy on March 09, 2020, 03:17:58 PM
Good thing for Seth is how the bracket looks like it could shake out for seeding...
1. Rivera
2. Gross
3. Tucker
4/5. RBY/Phillipi
6. DeSanto
Would set up pretty smooth sailing to the semi-finals against Tucker or round 4 vs. DeSanto and avoid Rivera/RBY until a potential final, who are IMO clearly the toughest matchups for Seth. DeSanto is always going to be a tough one, but he's a bit of a one-trick pony and having felt that pace 3 times now I'd think Seth has to feel good about beating him again. I'm not sure DeSanto has the ability to make the adjustments to his game plan the way Seth does.
Then a 6th year senior Seth Gross in his home state, possibly last match of the night. I like Seth in that moment every time.
If that is how the seeding turns out, that's a huge plus for Gross. DeSanto IS tough, but he seems to break down a bit mentally when things don't go exactly his way. Gross, for lack of a better term, is in his head. DeSanto doesn't think he's gonna finish clean, which causes him to hesitate and then not finish clean.
Quote from: Ghetto on March 09, 2020, 03:33:15 PM
Quote from: oregoncy on March 09, 2020, 03:17:58 PM
Good thing for Seth is how the bracket looks like it could shake out for seeding...
1. Rivera
2. Gross
3. Tucker
4/5. RBY/Phillipi
6. DeSanto
Would set up pretty smooth sailing to the semi-finals against Tucker or round 4 vs. DeSanto and avoid Rivera/RBY until a potential final, who are IMO clearly the toughest matchups for Seth. DeSanto is always going to be a tough one, but he's a bit of a one-trick pony and having felt that pace 3 times now I'd think Seth has to feel good about beating him again. I'm not sure DeSanto has the ability to make the adjustments to his game plan the way Seth does.
Then a 6th year senior Seth Gross in his home state, possibly last match of the night. I like Seth in that moment every time.
If that is how the seeding turns out, that's a huge plus for Gross. DeSanto IS tough, but he seems to break down a bit mentally when things don't go exactly his way. Gross, for lack of a better term, is in his head. DeSanto doesn't think he's gonna finish clean, which causes him to hesitate and then not finish clean.
Definitely agree with your point there. I think it's been proven over DeSanto's career that the mental side of his game can be a weak spot. I think that match up leans 75/25 in Seth's favor at this point. The Rivera/RBY matchup's are more true coin flips so if the draw comes out that way it would be fantastic.
Dream scenario would be if they pushed Phillipi down to the 6 seed and had Rivera (1), RBY (4) and DeSanto (5) all on the same side of the bracket, but I like Seth's chances no matter the draw!
I saw a few posts about a disappointing result at Big Tens so I though I would do a little math.
Below is weight wrestler finish (seed) and plus or minus
125 Barnett 10th (9) -1
133 Gross 3rd (1) -2
141 Moran 4th (5) +1
149 Martin 8th (6) -2
157 Model 8th (12) +4
165 Wick Na (3) did not wrestle
174 Krattiger 9th (10) +1
184 Sebastian 7th (9) +2
197 Watkins NP (13) 0
285 Hilger 4th (4) 0
Total +3
Taking Wick out the equation because he did not wrestle and if he did his most likely finish would have likely been 3rd anyways. The badgers wrestled 3 spots above their seeds. Very hard to say we should be disappointed.
"Taking Wick out the equation because he did not wrestle and if he did his most likely finish would have likely been 3rd anyways. The badgers wrestled 3 spots above their seeds. Very hard to say we should be disappointed."
If this was a Barry Davis-coached team I would agree with you. But since we were told we're going "all in" and "next year is now" and "the season begins now", I'm sorry, I just can't help but be disappointed. And what's fueling this is way too many comments about from people either there at the meet or watched on TV and are using terms like "disinterested", "bored" "flat" "burned out" "didn't bring it." "wanting the season over with" etc. etc. to describe Badger wrestlers. Actually, disappointed isn't the word I should use. "Disturbed" is better term to describe how I feel.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope in two weeks I and everyone else feel a lot better about a Top 10 finish, even a "shot at a trophy" with great performances and someone winning a title too, which would be an enormous boost for the program in year two of Bono's tenure. I hope I have to something to root for and feel proud of instead of asking myself: "What's going on here?"
A top 10 finish is a lock in my mind.
5th place in the NCAA tournament last year was 62.5
10th place was 51
Average 3rd place points is what, 16?
I still think Gross wins it, but let's say he takes 3rd: 17 points. He will bonus at least once. Moran is ranked fifth in the country. Let's say he just AAs and takes 8th, that is 5 points. Martin will win some matches, and if the turkey sandwich is fresh that day, could AA. He's not a bonus point guy normally, so maybe 1.5 points worst case. Wick if healthy contends, but 4th if he stumbles. He scored 15.5 last year. Sebastian was a round of 12 guy. 1.5 points. Hillger is the fourth best heavy in the B1G, but also the country. he hits 15.5
That's 56.
I think it goes:
Gross 1st- 21 points
Moran 5th- 13 points
Martin Round of 12- 3 points
Wick 3rd- 17 points
Sebastian Round of 12- 3 points
Hillger 4th- 15 points
That's 72 if my math is right.
That's good for fifth place in 2019. Sixth in 2018.
Reminder:
2019- 27 points (21st place)
2018- 27.5 points (tied for 17th)
2017- 39.5 points (13th place)
2016- 20 points (23rd place)
2015- 32.5 points (17th)
2014- 36 points (16th)
I'm too lazy to keep going. Enjoy the season. It's been far more exciting than in years past. Seeing Wisconsin's name up their every time they flash a leader board is good for the soul. ;D
Ghetto I hope you are right!
To be honest I think Gross will be a low AA like 7th or 8th. And Moran will need some guys to knock each other out to be an AA.
Quote from: Wrestling Thug on March 10, 2020, 09:13:50 PM
To be honest I think Gross will be a low AA like 7th or 8th. And Moran will need some guys to knock each other out to be an AA.
Gross 7th or 8th? What, is he going to get hurt or something? He lost by 1 to seabass. He's fine. At the worst, I say 3rd.
I agree with Moran though, he hasn't looked good at all.
I see the team ending up around 10th place.
Quote from: Wrestling Thug on March 10, 2020, 09:13:50 PM
To be honest I think Gross will be a low AA like 7th or 8th. And Moran will need some guys to knock each other out to be an AA.
Is this like the time you thought Wick should go 184. ::)
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 11, 2020, 07:27:47 AM
Quote from: Wrestling Thug on March 10, 2020, 09:13:50 PM
To be honest I think Gross will be a low AA like 7th or 8th. And Moran will need some guys to knock each other out to be an AA.
Is this like the time you thought Wick should go 184. ::)
Hope its same accuracy
I still think that Wick should go up and put some muscle on. My accuracy is still correct that he's not a national champ, but he did AA. He will probably finish lower this year (5th or 6th) and the same or less next year with Mehki and Massa back. As for Gross he has many more land mines outside the big 10. Phillipi, Tucker, and Bridges can be a problem! To point out that he also barely got by Silva and Alvarez. The way he's wrestling makes me believe that one of these guys will put him in the conssys And whatever top 5 guys get put there will bump him down again. Just my feeling.
Quote from: Wrestling Thug on March 11, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
I still think that Wick should go up and put some muscle on. My accuracy is still correct that he's not a national champ, but he did AA. He will probably finish lower this year (5th or 6th) and the same or less next year with Mehki and Massa back. As for Gross he has many more land mines outside the big 10. Phillipi, Tucker, and Bridges can be a problem! To point out that he also barely got by Silva and Alvarez. The way he's wrestling makes me believe that one of these guys will put him in the conssys And whatever top 5 guys get put there will bump him down again. Just my feeling.
I get it, but he doesn't have to wrestle all of them - just four. The first few will go quietly, so he really only has to be "on" for about two matches. While his losses this year certainly bring some concern to me, if I were a betting man, I would be on Gross more often than anyone else. Even though he isn't the top seed at the NCAA, I would put my money on him in the stacked 133 field (can you imagine what that weight would have looked like if it weren't an Olympic year?!!!).
So, count me in on Gross this time around.
Settle down Luke! ;D You forgot to high light "that he's not a national champ", part. Good for Wick for being a multiple time AA. That's awesome, but I felt like he should go up and put some muscle on maybe do better with the heavier guys. He would be a step quicker than them and he still would have his height advantage. Gross should take a higher AA than I said yesterday being that he got the #2 seed and his first 2 matches are walks.
Forgot to mention that I'm very impressed with your digging up stuff. I must of made some kind of impression on you. ;D