Midlands Results Thread

[ramjet]

Thanks G that's my point!

If those in a position to do something are not or do not feel they can then what's to debate?

Ref ?
NCAA ?
Iowa AD ?

I get you; but if a parent goes ballistic, and no one calls them on it, are they still an idiot.

Different debate one size fits all. Is not appropriate here. Why? Because the level of responsibility and rules are already in place to deal with coaches and players that break those rules. But my question is still the same if the behaviour breaks the rules then why are not those responsibilities for enforcing those rules stepping in?

Now to your above statment; "Parent goes ballistic" what precisely does that mean they yell vulgar obscenities at the opposing wrestler and or the refs? If so yes they can and maybe should be escorted to the door. But again if they disagree with a call, so what, they can can I heard plenty at OTW of that this past weekend. I wasn't offended even though in some cases I completely disagreed with the parents Interpratation of the call. They were passionate about their child and that success yes it can go over the line when it breaks a rule. If it doesn't then I am not going to judge anyone for getting a little passionate or emotional.

But emotion and passion can be two completely different reactions and may show up as something different to different people. Or maybe interprated differently by different people. It's ok just like Padre he does not like our friend from Iowa and his antics. That's ok I am not sure where I stand specifically on him as I see it both ways or maybe sitting on the fence. However if he is violating the rules then those folks I listed as an example need to get envoked and deal with him. If not, well nothing I say here will change his behavior.

[npope]

I would think a coach vigorously debating a call within the allowed framework of a wrestling match could rightfully be called, emotional and/or passionate. Repeatedly screaming "You suck!" at the ref after the match has been completed doesn't conform to what I would call emotional or passionate; I would call it something else....although the exact term escapes me at this moment...hmmmm.

[ramjet]

I would think a coach vigorously debating a call within the allowed framework of a wrestling match could rightfully be called, emotional and/or passionate. Repeatedly screaming "You suck!" at the ref after the match has been completed doesn't conform to what I would call emotional or passionate; I would call it something else....although the exact term escapes me at this moment...hmmmm.

So I do not disagree but will ask the question do the refs or the school or the governing body have recourse in that specific case?

If so then why didn't they take action?

If not why not?

[bigG]

That's why I asked if the ref could ding him. Team point?

[bigG]

Elite programs do have different ways of handling crap situations. They do figure out what works for them. Why compare Cael to Brands or Cael to anyone!? Cael is Cael and Brands is Brands and you are you. They each have good programs and run them different! My point is stop being sensitive sissys about words that were said in the heat of the moment and rightfully said! I will side with any other coach that shows that kind of passion too! Remember how Cael acted when DT lost to Cox!? Throwing a chair isn't cool! This is a COMBAT SPORT guys!

Only the guys that continue to debate and think this is negative find it critical on wrestlers throwing headgear and shaking hands! Us others understand the passion, mindset, and physicality it takes to thrive!

We continue the debate because we see it as negative to our sport.  I find it interesting that many of us are critical if a wrestler throws their headgear or refuse to shake hands, etc. (if one of my wrestlers did that...... if my son did that.....)but we like the same kind of behavior when it comes from a coach?!?! 

What I find interesting is that some find his behaviour absolutely deplorable yet continue to draw attention to him by continuing the debate. So he gets what he wants attention to himself and his program as well as wrestling overall.

A what boring world we would live in without something to talk about or debate......

Do you think Cael Sanderson understands the passion, mindset, physicality? Must not want to thrive as much. Or, does Cael win by luck? Keep watching him use Brands as his doormat, and enjoy. I know I'll love every minute. Long live dah Brands bros. Might be out best chance to beat IA in the future.

Gee, maybe because they're both head coaches of good programs. One better than the other. You implied that Brands was just displaying his passion, etc. Great. Cael shows you don't need to be a dink to be a great coach. Simple as that.

[ramjet]

Elite programs do have different ways of handling crap situations. They do figure out what works for them. Why compare Cael to Brands or Cael to anyone!? Cael is Cael and Brands is Brands and you are you. They each have good programs and run them different! My point is stop being sensitive sissys about words that were said in the heat of the moment and rightfully said! I will side with any other coach that shows that kind of passion too! Remember how Cael acted when DT lost to Cox!? Throwing a chair isn't cool! This is a COMBAT SPORT guys!

Only the guys that continue to debate and think this is negative find it critical on wrestlers throwing headgear and shaking hands! Us others understand the passion, mindset, and physicality it takes to thrive!

We continue the debate because we see it as negative to our sport.  I find it interesting that many of us are critical if a wrestler throws their headgear or refuse to shake hands, etc. (if one of my wrestlers did that...... if my son did that.....)but we like the same kind of behavior when it comes from a coach?!?! 

What I find interesting is that some find his behaviour absolutely deplorable yet continue to draw attention to him by continuing the debate. So he gets what he wants attention to himself and his program as well as wrestling overall.

A what boring world we would live in without something to talk about or debate......

Do you think Cael Sanderson understands the passion, mindset, physicality? Must not want to thrive as much. Or, does Cael win by luck? Keep watching him use Brands as his doormat, and enjoy. I know I'll love every minute. Long live dah Brands bros. Might be out best chance to beat IA in the future.

Gee, maybe because they're both head coaches of good programs. One better than the other. You implied that Brands was just displaying his passion, etc. Great. Cael shows you don't need to be a dink to be a great coach. Simple as that.

At that moment or all the time?

We got an example of Cael getting pretty reeved up some incident with a chair.

Thank goodness the brick is foam......

[bigG]

Elite programs do have different ways of handling crap situations. They do figure out what works for them. Why compare Cael to Brands or Cael to anyone!? Cael is Cael and Brands is Brands and you are you. They each have good programs and run them different! My point is stop being sensitive sissys about words that were said in the heat of the moment and rightfully said! I will side with any other coach that shows that kind of passion too! Remember how Cael acted when DT lost to Cox!? Throwing a chair isn't cool! This is a COMBAT SPORT guys!

Only the guys that continue to debate and think this is negative find it critical on wrestlers throwing headgear and shaking hands! Us others understand the passion, mindset, and physicality it takes to thrive!

We continue the debate because we see it as negative to our sport.  I find it interesting that many of us are critical if a wrestler throws their headgear or refuse to shake hands, etc. (if one of my wrestlers did that...... if my son did that.....)but we like the same kind of behavior when it comes from a coach?!?! 

What I find interesting is that some find his behaviour absolutely deplorable yet continue to draw attention to him by continuing the debate. So he gets what he wants attention to himself and his program as well as wrestling overall.

A what boring world we would live in without something to talk about or debate......

Do you think Cael Sanderson understands the passion, mindset, physicality? Must not want to thrive as much. Or, does Cael win by luck? Keep watching him use Brands as his doormat, and enjoy. I know I'll love every minute. Long live dah Brands bros. Might be out best chance to beat IA in the future.

Gee, maybe because they're both head coaches of good programs. One better than the other. You implied that Brands was just displaying his passion, etc. Great. Cael shows you don't need to be a dink to be a great coach. Simple as that.

At that moment or all the time?

We got an example of Cael getting pretty reeved up some incident with a chair.

Thank goodness the brick is foam......

I think it's become ubiquitous with Brands. He's pretty well know to act a fool. If you've seen him in action, live, he's a real prize.

Just glad he doesn't represent us. Gable must have bitten a hole in his lip by now. I thought TB would be a much better coach. Great intensity, just acts like a horse's hind end too often, IMHO.

[ramjet]

Elite programs do have different ways of handling crap situations. They do figure out what works for them. Why compare Cael to Brands or Cael to anyone!? Cael is Cael and Brands is Brands and you are you. They each have good programs and run them different! My point is stop being sensitive sissys about words that were said in the heat of the moment and rightfully said! I will side with any other coach that shows that kind of passion too! Remember how Cael acted when DT lost to Cox!? Throwing a chair isn't cool! This is a COMBAT SPORT guys!

Only the guys that continue to debate and think this is negative find it critical on wrestlers throwing headgear and shaking hands! Us others understand the passion, mindset, and physicality it takes to thrive!

We continue the debate because we see it as negative to our sport.  I find it interesting that many of us are critical if a wrestler throws their headgear or refuse to shake hands, etc. (if one of my wrestlers did that...... if my son did that.....)but we like the same kind of behavior when it comes from a coach?!?! 

What I find interesting is that some find his behaviour absolutely deplorable yet continue to draw attention to him by continuing the debate. So he gets what he wants attention to himself and his program as well as wrestling overall.

A what boring world we would live in without something to talk about or debate......

Do you think Cael Sanderson understands the passion, mindset, physicality? Must not want to thrive as much. Or, does Cael win by luck? Keep watching him use Brands as his doormat, and enjoy. I know I'll love every minute. Long live dah Brands bros. Might be out best chance to beat IA in the future.

Gee, maybe because they're both head coaches of good programs. One better than the other. You implied that Brands was just displaying his passion, etc. Great. Cael shows you don't need to be a dink to be a great coach. Simple as that.

At that moment or all the time?

We got an example of Cael getting pretty reeved up some incident with a chair.

Thank goodness the brick is foam......

I think it's become ubiquitous with Brands. He's pretty well know to act a fool. If you've seen him in action, live, he's a real prize.

Just glad he doesn't represent us. Gable must have bitten a hole in his lip by now. I thought TB would be a much better coach. Great intensity, just acts like a horse's hind end too often, IMHO.

yea he is wide open that's for sure...

[billymurphy]

Brands has not changed from his college wrestling days. 
Hard to question his success though.

[bigG]

Elite programs do have different ways of handling crap situations. They do figure out what works for them. Why compare Cael to Brands or Cael to anyone!? Cael is Cael and Brands is Brands and you are you. They each have good programs and run them different! My point is stop being sensitive sissys about words that were said in the heat of the moment and rightfully said! I will side with any other coach that shows that kind of passion too! Remember how Cael acted when DT lost to Cox!? Throwing a chair isn't cool! This is a COMBAT SPORT guys!

Only the guys that continue to debate and think this is negative find it critical on wrestlers throwing headgear and shaking hands! Us others understand the passion, mindset, and physicality it takes to thrive!

We continue the debate because we see it as negative to our sport.  I find it interesting that many of us are critical if a wrestler throws their headgear or refuse to shake hands, etc. (if one of my wrestlers did that...... if my son did that.....)but we like the same kind of behavior when it comes from a coach?!?! 

What I find interesting is that some find his behaviour absolutely deplorable yet continue to draw attention to him by continuing the debate. So he gets what he wants attention to himself and his program as well as wrestling overall.

A what boring world we would live in without something to talk about or debate......

Do you think Cael Sanderson understands the passion, mindset, physicality? Must not want to thrive as much. Or, does Cael win by luck? Keep watching him use Brands as his doormat, and enjoy. I know I'll love every minute. Long live dah Brands bros. Might be out best chance to beat IA in the future.

Gee, maybe because they're both head coaches of good programs. One better than the other. You implied that Brands was just displaying his passion, etc. Great. Cael shows you don't need to be a dink to be a great coach. Simple as that.

At that moment or all the time?

We got an example of Cael getting pretty reeved up some incident with a chair.

Thank goodness the brick is foam......

I think it's become ubiquitous with Brands. He's pretty well know to act a fool. If you've seen him in action, live, he's a real prize.

Just glad he doesn't represent us. Gable must have bitten a hole in his lip by now. I thought TB would be a much better coach. Great intensity, just acts like a horse's hind end too often, IMHO.

yea he is wide open that's for sure...

Not saying I don't like the intensity. Intense, maybe a little Gable-like, just not the brain.

That said, his graduation rate is excellent, and discipline issues relatively in check. I can't hate on that.

Foam brick. UR a nut!

[wrastle63]

Anyone know anything about the Christensen or Hillger injuries? It appears Hillger's injury might minor.

A picture on Wisconsin's twitter it looks like Christensen is only wearing 1 shoe for the podium picture, so possibly an ankle injury.  Hope it is not serious as he has a good chance to AA the way he has been wrestling.

Sounds like they both avoided major injuries. They are both minor.

Buried in pages of "Sportsmanship talk," I think we're going to find out soon that this is not true, unfortunately.

I know.... At the time I heard minor, but sounds like not the case.....