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[Jimmy]

G, you think Dustin had a better duck than Lincoln mcilraveys boot scoot duck?

[Ledger]

Back in the 80's the fireman's carry was a top 10 take-down.  You never see it anymore.  I'll see a kelly dump once in a great while, but the way kids execute the front head-lock these days (hand on chin, elbow high), seems to have taken those moves away. 

[bigoil]

Racine park was a leg mecca, too. I did notice that hartford, and other north shore schools had leg riders. Pignotti from Tremper was a beastly leg rider. Nick Manriquez from Heartland was a mean legger.

I'm with LG on the scramble stuff. Love it! Some moves come and go like the tides.

You're right about the ducks, oil. Dustin Schlatter was the last bigtime duckmaster in college.

Very rare to see an arm drag, anymore. What you see now is a fake shuck, to what is essentially, a head drag.

I haven't seen a chest crusher in a decade, at least.

A few weeks ago I was reffing and got twp pretty decent kids on my mat. One shot in and the other surprisingly left some danglers that could have been chest crushed. I don't cheer one kid over the other; but I was mentally screaming for the boy underneath to lock dat up and take the seat. Dang! It's almost never there. It was there.

Spladle is one of those in and out with the tides, like LG says. Humiliating way to get stuck.

Hartford, Sussex, Arrowhead all had very good leg riders. My son found the wrong end of chest crusher.....

I think kids are missing the aggressive front headlock run that kid shuck him one time, drag him the next.

[bigG]

G, you think Dustin had a better duck than Lincoln mcilraveys boot scoot duck?

NO, but I've seen one Schlatter duck that was a blur, even in slomo. That was the best single duckunder I have ever seen.

Lincoln was an amazing wrestler.

Fireman's is uncommon; but I am seeing a nice resurgence of my favorite with an over hook: near arm far leg. Kelly dump, whatever you wanna call it. One of my main TDs back in the day (Gable favorite). A classic never gets old!

Arrowhead always seemed to have the leg riding specialist(Manriquez); whereas others on their team would go traditional and grind you up. Jim Bavers was an animal.

I don't see many cranking on a front headlock any more. Slow points move but can really take the steam out of tough wrestlers. I like locking up by the guy's jawbone opposite me and head in the lower shoulder blade or floating rib. Little by little you'll get 2. Not many of those "make him give up" moves left. Bear hug is rare; but I love the high dive in Greco.

Don't see much 5 on 2 or oil checks, save for the Iowa specialist (used to be Marion, these last few years it's been Gilman, didn't hurt me one bit to see him lose.)

If you don't learn the chestcrusher the hard way, you might be easily caught someday.

[Houndhead]

Just think of the access kids have to learn moves now days. Anything you want to know is on Youtube. Back in my time, (early 80's) if your coach didn't teach it in the practice room you didn't know about it. I learned what a Granby was at Camp of Champs from some Tennessee kids.

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My first and only loss my freshman year (we had a just freshman conference) was to a spladle. Man, I was psst. But learned how to defend it and smacked that kid next time. Learn more through losing than winning.

One thing I always see, but not tons, is the Olympic cradle/Navy ride from the feet. Nice way to get two. Also the prospect of easy back points if you lock, arch and turn quick enough.

[bigG]

Just think of the access kids have to learn moves now days. Anything you want to know is on Youtube. Back in my time, (early 80's) if your coach didn't teach it in the practice room you didn't know about it. I learned what a Granby was at Camp of Champs from some Tennessee kids.

That was the number one reason to go to camps when I was in HS. "I Did It!" was way to pricey for me and my conditioning was fine. Just didn't know about some of those slickery moves.

Never knew how to defend legs until I went to Badger camp.

[TripleOT]

Tilts seem to be the big thing right now.

Dischler from Ithica Weston had a nice fireman dump or kelly I seen him use often. Nice to see old school moves being done. You should never turn completely away from the basics. 

G didn't you have a lower weight wrestler a couple of years ago that had a pretty good over under and fireman?

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As a coach, I've always advocated for over-under tie. Whizzer to a fireman, whatever.

Jeez, I liked watching Con Med tech. guys with tilts. That kinda stuff makes you feel helpless out there.

I think Dischler was an amazingly well-rounded wrestler. Smooth but tough.

[firemanscarry]

I like seeing the big NCAA guys working ankles for takedowns. It seems like they are quick enough to do it without getting caught underneath. I think that even a pretty average 275 pounder could find a way to work that in even if they aren't as athletic as the studs at college. Seems like more of it is in the set-up and getting the right angle than speed alone.

Honestly, though, I never wrestled heavyweight. There are chances they don't like to take... for good reason.

When I was a kid it seemed like everything we did was set up off the fireman's in some way... hence my screen name. Someone mentioned earlier on that the way opponents tie up the head nowadays makes that more difficult. In the early 80's things were more basic. So, using a fireman's set-up and sliding off into a double, a Kelly or picking an ankle when they thought you were going to throw the arm through were all pretty viable.

I do see some chest crushers once in a while up north. Wabeno had a kid place at State a few years ago that really liked it.

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I'd chance to say the over hook to HC, switch to double was the move that defines the 80s. It was Gable's world.

I'm with you on the big guys. Great to see great angles to hit low shots.