According to 24/7 Nicolet now has the Top 3 players in the state for the Class of 2020.
Jalen Johnson - 5 ⭐️ Transferring from Sun Prairie
Jamari Sibley - 4 ⭐️
Desmond Polk - 4 ⭐️ Transferring from New Berlin (West I think)
Plus Johnson's little brother and rumors of another AAU teammate joining them as well. Golden State Knights is Nicolet (Tom wasn't this your alma mater?).
Stay at your school, if you are that good (already offers or interest from Duke, KY, MU, WI, Etc. You aren't going to be watched on the HS Team, they are watching you at the AAU. Similar to wrestling, the elite programs are at Fargo, super 32, Flo Nationals, not really recruiting the cheesehead despite the talent that is there. UW might have someone but I haven't seen Carl Sanderson or John Smith there yet :) imagine if several cadet dual members transferred to one school, hope we never see that.
Been happening here for 30 plus years Big oil.......I see both sides of it. The stories I have seen...
Quote from: bigoil on July 29, 2018, 10:28:47 PM
According to 24/7 Nicolet now has the Top 3 players in the state for the Class of 2020.
Jalen Johnson - 5 ⭐️ Transferring from Sun Prairie
Jamari Sibley - 4 ⭐️
Desmond Polk - 4 ⭐️ Transferring from New Berlin (West I think)
Plus Johnson's little brother and rumors of another AAU teammate joining them as well. Golden State Knights is Nicolet (Tom wasn't this your alma mater?).
Stay at your school, if you are that good (already offers or interest from Duke, KY, MU, WI, Etc. You aren't going to be watched on the HS Team, they are watching you at the AAU. Similar to wrestling, the elite programs are at Fargo, super 32, Flo Nationals, not really recruiting the cheesehead despite the talent that is there. UW might have someone but I haven't seen Carl Sanderson or John Smith there yet :) imagine if several cadet dual members transferred to one school, hope we never see that.
Quote from: MNbadger on July 30, 2018, 06:33:09 AM
Been happening here for 30 plus years Big oil.......I see both sides of it. The stories I have seen...Quote from: bigoil on July 29, 2018, 10:28:47 PM
According to 24/7 Nicolet now has the Top 3 players in the state for the Class of 2020.
Jalen Johnson - 5 ⭐️ Transferring from Sun Prairie
Jamari Sibley - 4 ⭐️
Desmond Polk - 4 ⭐️ Transferring from New Berlin (West I think)
Plus Johnson's little brother and rumors of another AAU teammate joining them as well. Golden State Knights is Nicolet (Tom wasn't this your alma mater?).
Stay at your school, if you are that good (already offers or interest from Duke, KY, MU, WI, Etc. You aren't going to be watched on the HS Team, they are watching you at the AAU. Similar to wrestling, the elite programs are at Fargo, super 32, Flo Nationals, not really recruiting the cheesehead despite the talent that is there. UW might have someone but I haven't seen Carl Sanderson or John Smith there yet :) imagine if several cadet dual members transferred to one school, hope we never see that.
Of course this has happened, but this is unprecedented. The top 3 juniors in the state will play together and it isn't like they just changed schools in Milwaukee which happens fairly regularly. One kid is moving :30 min, the other 1h 30M and rumor of a kid from Baton Rouge joining the team as well (he plays on the same AAU team as the other 3). Plus they have one of top Frosh joining them as well moving with his brother.
Not the least bit unprecedented here in Minnesota. As WI wrestling gets better this will happen with wrestling more and more and more too.
Quote from: bigoil on July 30, 2018, 07:48:41 AM
Quote from: MNbadger on July 30, 2018, 06:33:09 AM
Been happening here for 30 plus years Big oil.......I see both sides of it. The stories I have seen...Quote from: bigoil on July 29, 2018, 10:28:47 PM
According to 24/7 Nicolet now has the Top 3 players in the state for the Class of 2020.
Jalen Johnson - 5 ⭐️ Transferring from Sun Prairie
Jamari Sibley - 4 ⭐️
Desmond Polk - 4 ⭐️ Transferring from New Berlin (West I think)
Plus Johnson's little brother and rumors of another AAU teammate joining them as well. Golden State Knights is Nicolet (Tom wasn't this your alma mater?).
Stay at your school, if you are that good (already offers or interest from Duke, KY, MU, WI, Etc. You aren't going to be watched on the HS Team, they are watching you at the AAU. Similar to wrestling, the elite programs are at Fargo, super 32, Flo Nationals, not really recruiting the cheesehead despite the talent that is there. UW might have someone but I haven't seen Carl Sanderson or John Smith there yet :) imagine if several cadet dual members transferred to one school, hope we never see that.
Of course this has happened, but this is unprecedented. The top 3 juniors in the state will play together and it isn't like they just changed schools in Milwaukee which happens fairly regularly. One kid is moving :30 min, the other 1h 30M and rumor of a kid from Baton Rouge joining the team as well (he plays on the same AAU team as the other 3). Plus they have one of top Frosh joining them as well moving with his brother.
It has happened in Wisconsin already maybe just not at the level that bigoil has shown. One kid I had previously coached has been at 4 different schools in the past 5 years without moving.
Quote from: wrastle63 on July 30, 2018, 10:35:44 AM
It has happened in Wisconsin already maybe just not at the level that bigoil has shown. One kid I had previously coached has been at 4 different schools in the past 5 years without moving.
No doubt it has happened and will continue to I'm sure. We've seen players follow coaches like Diener around in MKE, some transfer to play with McCabe in hoops. While I'm sure people transfer and move into Arrowhead and Kimberly for FB, I've not seen someone of this persons stature do it. He's either the best player in WI or the second best depending on what rankings you look at.
Wrestling, been going on for quite some time but this move is the equivalent of the Cadet state team getting together and saying half of them are going to some random school. We see move ins to the best schools in every sport, like FB above because of tradition, etc.
Ghetto, hold a wrestling fundraiser when Bay plays Nicolet :)
What makes you so sure they all aren't travelling there for academic reasons? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) One more reason to love open enrollment? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Nicolet is a great school, after all it gave us Oprah!!
I'm on it bigoil.
Quote from: imnofish on July 30, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
What makes you so sure they all aren't travelling there for academic reasons? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) One more reason to love open enrollment? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
From a parents perspective OE is fantastic. I think it good for education get better or get less enrollment. Simple formula.
Do you really think Algebra II is different in say Watertown vs. Brown Deer?
If OE was for academic reasons, the student would go to the OE school and compete athletically at their school of attendance area.
Have you ever witnessed a student athlete OE to a school with a weaker athletic program?........neither have I.
Quote from: ramjet on August 10, 2018, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: imnofish on July 30, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
What makes you so sure they all aren't travelling there for academic reasons? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) One more reason to love open enrollment? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
From a parents perspective OE is fantastic. I think it good for education get better or get less enrollment. Simple formula.
Quote from: MNbadger on August 10, 2018, 03:30:26 PM
Do you really think Algebra II is different in say Watertown vs. Brown Deer?
If OE was for academic reasons, the student would go to the OE school and compete athletically at their school of attendance area.
Have you ever witnessed a student athlete OE to a school with a weaker athletic program?........neither have I.Quote from: ramjet on August 10, 2018, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: imnofish on July 30, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
What makes you so sure they all aren't travelling there for academic reasons? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) One more reason to love open enrollment? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
From a parents perspective OE is fantastic. I think it good for education get better or get less enrollment. Simple formula.
I have a wrestler coming up who could be very good, if he dedicates. He was OE for reasons other than sports. Some schools are just a better fit for some kids. My school offers quite a bit more personalization than the bigger ones. Many kids do better in an "old school" environment; whereas I've had others move out sought a curriculum with a more art focus.
"Now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum..."
My experience has shown me that the differences amongst schools is mostly perception.
Having said that, what I find interesting is that literally all the OE I have seen here in thirty years has been for athletics, not education. If it weren't, athletes would be flocking to schools like Minneapolis Southwest (for a very long time one of the top ranked schools academically but most certainly not strong in athletics). At best, the OE moves are lateral academically.
I agree that everyone follows the beat of their own drum but it kind of runs counter to the "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" idea........
Quote from: bigG on August 10, 2018, 05:45:10 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on August 10, 2018, 03:30:26 PM
Do you really think Algebra II is different in say Watertown vs. Brown Deer?
If OE was for academic reasons, the student would go to the OE school and compete athletically at their school of attendance area.
Have you ever witnessed a student athlete OE to a school with a weaker athletic program?........neither have I.Quote from: ramjet on August 10, 2018, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: imnofish on July 30, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
What makes you so sure they all aren't travelling there for academic reasons? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) One more reason to love open enrollment? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
From a parents perspective OE is fantastic. I think it good for education get better or get less enrollment. Simple formula.
I have a wrestler coming up who could be very good, if he dedicates. He was OE for reasons other than sports. Some schools are just a better fit for some kids. My school offers quite a bit more personalization than the bigger ones. Many kids do better in an "old school" environment; whereas I've had others move out sought a curriculum with a more art focus.
"Now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum..."
MnBadger Math is math you are correct. That said not all teachers are created equal. Not all schools are created equal. Parents should have the choice and the option to choose what they believe is the best fir their child's education or even sports experience. Individual choice is a fantastic way to foster improvement and growth. I know this may not agree with your opinion but it's mine and I stand behind the premise of choice for the education and parents should make that choice with derp thought and what's best for the young folks they have responsibility for.
Does anyone else laugh when they read OE is good for kids?
When I hear OE (or read it in this case) I read Old English. That stuff isn't good for anyone. ;)
Exactly what I thought.
Ah, you remember OE. I picked bazillions of those bottles out of Washington Park lagoon in the late 80's and early 90's. (I worked there; wasn't just collecting for fun.) Had a bottle burst in my hand and cut it up good.
Thanks for the memory. Personally, I'm a St. Ides man. Uff. Lazer had a nice kick to it, too. They wiped Colt 45 off the map, G!!
Don't see much malt lickah deez days. Mickey's has survived them all. Dah big mout'!
Quote from: MNbadger on August 10, 2018, 03:30:26 PM
Do you really think Algebra II is different in say Watertown vs. Brown Deer?
If OE was for academic reasons, the student would go to the OE school and compete athletically at their school of attendance area.
Have you ever witnessed a student athlete OE to a school with a weaker athletic program?........neither have I.Quote from: ramjet on August 10, 2018, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: imnofish on July 30, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
What makes you so sure they all aren't travelling there for academic reasons? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) One more reason to love open enrollment? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
From a parents perspective OE is fantastic. I think it good for education get better or get less enrollment. Simple formula.
I would say that 90% of the open enrollment in this area has nothing to do with sports. Park Falls and Gliidden schools consolidated to form the Chequamagon school district. The Butternut school district lies in between those two. Many families OE for many different reasons, but I think sports is low on the list. The Butternut district offers up to $20,000 in scholariships depending on how many years you attend school there. My nephew is in the Mercer school district but OE in Butternut because his parents work closer to that district and it is more convenient travel for school and school events.
We've had mucho OE, and none have had to do with sports. Fresh start is a big one. Our brand of discipline and accountability is another. We try to find the right balance of progressive and old school. Some love it, others, not as much. Still we get many more than we lose. If you don't want the truancy officer (me) coming to your house and banging on the door, because you couldn't find the motivation to get up and come to school, this isn't your district. I will be there. :) I love to see a kid who struggled find friends, success and a comfy new school.
Interesting to hear your experiences. As I stated previously, I have only seen OE done for athletics.
I suppose I should rephrase what I have seen...The OE I see is all athletes. I don't really have the access to know how many kids OE that are not in sports.
Of the ones in sports, I will say they all are for sports.
While some can be for social reasons, if they were moving for academics;
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/wisconsin/rankings
The new deal here is to OE claiming you are being bullied. Bullying is serious business but an AD is never going to question it.
Quote from: MNbadger on August 13, 2018, 02:37:34 PM
Interesting to hear your experiences. As I stated previously, I have only seen OE done for athletics.
I suppose I should rephrase what I have seen...The OE I see is all athletes. I don't really have the access to know how many kids OE that are not in sports.
Of the ones in sports, I will say they all are for sports.
I'm guessing Big G and I experiences are more with smaller rural schools and your's are are more larger and urban. That might explain the differences.
That, and where I am, we have bigger schools (LaX Central) and middlers (Westby) and dinkers (Cashton). Many parents want the "get to know everyone" experience as it's hard to hide a drug issue, social issue, when everyone knows you and where you were last night. I also think (surprisingly) that our academic flexibility plays big. I think people are surprised when they visit to see how our little school can offer more options than the big one down the road. If you're a future operating engineer, we'll try to get you experience, ASAP, so you can get a real feel for what that the career is really like. Then, if you feel that's your thing, we'll get you classes and an apprenticeship. I went on +/- 25 different post-secondary school tours last year. I don't think that's practical for bigger schools. You just can't tell if UW-River Falls feels right unless you go there. Then, go back on your own and spend a day in a few classes in the major(s) you're considering. We're very flexible, and , in any given year, I sort of have to invent an internship for a kid in an area that offers no apprenticeships (IT and Law-for example).
I do think in bigger cities, where most high schools are big, there're less stark differences among those schools as there might be between a 2,000 kid school and a 180 kid school. So you have social and academic advantages to each. Bullying happens in every school, whether you believe it or not. Yes, we go after bullies with the crabby face; but I like to see what , in the bullies world, might be a cause; and teach the victim self-advocacy skills for better handling harassment on their own. They'll meet much meaner/tactful bullies in the adult world, most probably.
Quote from: bigG on August 14, 2018, 07:45:30 AM
That, and where I am, we have bigger schools (LaX Central) and middlers (Westby) and dinkers (Cashton). Many parents want the "get to know everyone" experience as it's hard to hide a drug issue, social issue when everyone knows you and where you were last night. I also think (surprisingly) that our academic flexibility plays big. If you're a future operating engineer, we'll try to get you experience, ASAP, so you can get a real feel for what that career is like. Then, if you feel that's your thing, we'll get you classes and an apprenticeship. I went on +/- 25 different post-secondary school tours last year. I don't think that's practical for bigger schools. You just can't tell if UW-River Falls feels right unless you go there. Then, go back on your own and spend a day in a few classes in the major(s) you're considering.
I have seen both, Appleton may have by far the most OE in as they have quite the charter school programs from what I understand. Kaukauna has by far the most OE out of a school system up here besides Green Bay according to the statistics I have seen. They definitely have had some OE in with wrestling and Basketball recently with the McCabe era but they had quite a few suicides that may have led to the OE out.
Yeah, those are stats parents really look at. Hope I don't jinx myself, but I haven't had a pregnancy (close calls, though) nor suicide since I began as counselor. Years ago, we had a suicide that had graduated 4 years prior to the event. I got the note. You never forget stuff like that. I read that email and PRAY it never happens again. That said, nice stats aren't my doing so much as healthy norms the kids bring in. Good parents + good kids + good educators=good school. Build all the bells and whistles you want into a school... you get those 3, you'll be okay. Nobody has to be perfect; just honest and dedicated.
Some friends open enrolled their kids in a school that is very athletically competitive. They told me that it is a major factor in the school's upsurge in open enrollment. Yes, they have a child whom is an exceptional athlete... I won't identify the district, because it wouldn't be fair to them, or their families, to label them on the basis of anecdotal information. However, I did find it very interesting, since this is not the first time I've been told this by a parent.