As many of us on this forum I consider myself a die hard Badger wrestling and college wrestling fan. I watch every match of every Badger that has been filmed regardless of what I have to subscribe to, watch all the Big Ten duals on BTN network for all teams and watch or skim through many of the other duals on BTN+. I watch many of the other college duals on Flo and anything else I can get to. I also watch mostly all the international wrestling that involves the USA men and women and former college wrestlers wrestling for other countries and I watch a lot of the high level HS stuff like Ironman, Powerade etc...
As I reflect on the current state of college wrestling I am giving serious consideration to backing off. I am thinking of not renewing my Flo, BTN+ and other various subscriptions I have to watch. Not sure yet what I am going to do about season tickets. I may buy because they are so cheap but I may not even go. I feel like the sport of college wrestling is broken or on its way to be broken and I am not sure how much fun it is going to be for me to watch anymore. Wrestling may turn into track and Field, swimming or downhill skiing where I watch it every 4 years when the Olympics roll around.
Anyone else feeling that way?
NO. I got only Big10+. Try to watch every dual. Had to get ESPN+ to watch the national tourney. Will watch international or high school level if I happen to catch it. Are you burnt out? After college wrestling season I am ready to turn my brain off to it. But I like it, though I can think of things I don't like. Wisconsin competing with PSU is just not going to happen. They have it figured out big time. It would take millions to catch up to that machine.
Not sure if burnt out but definitely disenchanted. PSU is going to get everyone they want, way more than they need and win every year until further notice. That train has left the station. What bothers be even more probably is that Iowa and Michigan are just going to reload every year with a new crop of free agents in the battle to finish second!
On a related note it is not inconceivable that the NLWC could this year or at some point in the future have all 6 Olympic athletes and/or all 10 world team athletes. At 74kg there are currently 11 wrestlers qualified for the challenge tournament and Dake is waiting to face the winner. Dake is NLWC and of the other 11 4 are NLWC or PSU. Another 1 of the 11 is David Carr who is very close with the PSU crew and it is my understanding that he trains there in the offseason. Would not be surprising to see him join NLWC and Starrocci says he is going to 74kg for the trials so it could be possible 6 of the 12 will be PSU/NLWC plus Dake waiting at FinalX. Truly an embarrassment of riches.
There wrestling club is exactly why they are who they are. If I'm a top notch recruit (see Mirasola brothers) with bigger aspirations than college I am going to PSU no matter who the coach is, how many promises or money the Badgers throw at me. Its about Olympics and world team. It will take millions for the Badgers to build and maintain that. PSU did it 15 some odd years ago. Another team could too. Its shocking that Iowa can't compete with them. They were grasping at straws trying to get the Ferrari clown show. They didn't even get a team trophy. They have a viable RTC and are getting a brand spanking new facility. What gives, Coaches?
Is it possible that when a new staff is named (at whatever point that is), Ben/Max hit it off with them and then pump a bunch of money towards the program from an NIL sense? Or ring the bell to the UW rich folks to help raise a crap ton of money? Seems to make too much sense, so probably won't happen. lol.
Quote from: No One Cares on March 26, 2024, 11:20:30 AMIs it possible that when a new staff is named (at whatever point that is), Ben/Max hit it off with them and then pump a bunch of money towards the program from an NIL sense? Or ring the bell to the UW rich folks to help raise a crap ton of money? Seems to make too much sense, so probably won't happen. lol.
I do not get a sense that there are people with the kind of money that can make a difference that care about Badger wrestling. Certainly football, basketball and hockey have that but if they exist for Badger wrestling I do not know who they are and I think we would have had a new room a long time ago. There are a lot of us on the forum who care but I do not think even if we all band together we have what it takes to make a dent. Wrestling is everything in Iowa and Michigan has Cliff Keen. Don't see Badger wrestling getting there. I do not ever play the lottery but I saw that the MM and PB jackpots will be over 2 Billion. "So you are saying there is a chance".
At best, you lower your expectations and go from there.
And to that point, in this new world of college wrestling, UW actually had a good season. Winning record overall, almost won the Midlands, finished in Top 25 of national meet again, ahead of rival Minnesota.
It ain't much but until the money is spent for new facilities and be able to have competitive scholarship packages for UW, it's all you're going to get.
What is a competitive scholarship package? I believe Wisconsin is at the 9.9 limit on scholarships. Do you mean scholarships plus NIL?
The team aspect of wrestling is ruined. Badgers will never compete no matter the coach. So then it becomes an individual sport. Need a couple individuals to cheer for great success. I will admit that is even tough because I figure Hamiti was going to transfer so he was even tough to go all in on.
Problem with wrestling is that you cannot really build top individuals without great practice partners in the room. If you want to be great it is not necessarily money that is going to make you great. First you need great practice partners. Then you need a great facility to work out in. Then you need a coach that teach and motivate
It's a wild ride. We're in it for the long haul. Especially with Liam only a few years from college.
The Badgers can compete (top half of Big Ten and top ten in nations consistently) with leadership that is able to bring in the top Wisconsin talent. Wisconsin youth and High School Wrestling has become one of the best in the nation. This is due to several factors. Most important we now have incredible club programs like AWA that are partnering with High School programs to raise the overall level of the sport.
The fracture between Bono and Askren will never be fixed and it seems like Bono does not have great relationships with other clubs and high school coaches.
I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year.
NIL changes the landscape for all sports and programs. The Badgers can compete with NIL and improve facilities with the leadership that inspires, invests, and builds.
"I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year."
You can conceivably find a coach the Askrens approve of...for a while. Then what happens when some dispute arises between that UW coach and the Askrens that can't be resolved? Hmmm? Does the UWAD have to fire that guy too? And what about the other clubs across the state like Ringers and Crass Training? What if they don't like the new guy hmm? I can't imagine these club owners are all that happy to see the Askrens and the AWA soak up all the attention and all the top wrestlers (and all the money) in the state. Remember, these guys are businessmen, not fans. It would be nice if they were UW boosters but many, particularly the Askrens, are not UW alumns! Why would the Askrens want to see Missouri's position in college wrestling threatened by Wisconsin?
You see how messed up this is? What other D-I program in another state has these problems? Ben got his chance to be on the inside and he gave it up. Everyone was all buddy/buddy to start with six years ago and now look at it. You don't think it could happen again? Even with someone they approve of? It very well could and for the most petty reasons, and that's no way to run an athletic program.
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 27, 2024, 11:06:58 AM"I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year."
You can conceivably find a coach the Askrens approve of...for a while. Then what happens when some dispute arises between that UW coach and the Askrens that can't be resolved? Hmmm? Does the UWAD have to fire that guy too? And what about the other clubs across the state like Ringers and Crass Training? What if they don't like the new guy hmm? I can't imagine these club owners are all that happy to see the Askrens and the AWA soak up all the attention and all the top wrestlers (and all the money) in the state. Remember, these guys are businessmen, not fans. It would be nice if they were UW boosters but many, particularly the Askrens, are not UW alumns! Why would the Askrens want to see Missouri's position in college wrestling threatened by Wisconsin?
You see how messed up this is? What other D-I program in another state has these problems? Ben got his chance to be on the inside and he gave it up. Everyone was all buddy/buddy to start with six years ago and now look at it. You don't think it could happen again? Even with someone they approve of? It very well could and for the most petty reasons, and that's no way to run an athletic program.
I'm sure the Askrens don't need me to speak for them but don't you think they would recommend UW to their athletes if the next guy was one of high integrity. I look at where a lot of those AWA guys go more than where they don't go and it seems most of those guys go to schools with head coaches of high integrity....Brian Smith, Schwab, Sanderson, Eggum... Maybe UW needs to get the right guy and then we don't have to worry about the Askren "approval".
Why are we still on this "Askren's aren't interested" ride? They're savvy business guys by now. And the field of Askren alum, or others that would jump in to coach and are qualified is growing. Plus, they know the rules enough to make it happen without breaking any NCAA rules. Man, I hope one of them takes the job, because it's what this state needs right now.
I'm really hoping for an "I told you so" moment. Thinking they wouldn't is absurd.
First coaches that come to mind.
Head Coach Doug Schwab, Cary Kolat, Cody Sanderson,
Assistant Coaches Jake Sueflohn, Nick Becker, Trevor Brandvold, Alex Dieringer
How about
Jake Varner PSU RTC coach
Kyle Ruschell college coach
The Badgers are going to hire a guy with a few years of college coaching under thier belt.
Also how many club coaches has gone from club to major college coaches? I am sure thier are a few but cannt be many. Look at the elite clubs and thier coaches have been thier for awhile, young guns, sebolt, pinnacle, izzy style.etc.....not sure as to you could.lure them away.from the clubs but maybe......
I am hearing a lot of chatter online that Max Askren is the best fit even if he doesn't have D1 coaching experience. Probably won't happen but I think it would be worth it.
Quote from: Harris on March 27, 2024, 06:42:45 PMI am hearing a lot of chatter online that Max Askren is the best fit even if he doesn't have D1 coaching experience. Probably won't happen but I think it would be worth it.
I would love max for the job.
Problem does max has the degrees to coach in college? I hear Master plus
In today's age I would think half to 75% of the time would be spent fund raising and planning events.
Connection to coaches across the nation to recruit.
Connection for kids to rehab/train/specialize in certain areas.
Rules committee informed. Lots of time is chewed up with compliance rules from NCAA.
Just alot of stuff that needs to be addressed for sure. I think Max is a bright you man that has most of the stuff and could pick up stuff real quick.
Nice choice!
Masters plus, doubt it. Didn't Tony Granato finish his undergrad right before he took the head coaching job or shortly after taking it. I think all a coach need is a bachelor's.
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2024, 06:14:15 PMHow about
Jake Varner PSU RTC coach
Kyle Ruschell college coach
The Badgers are going to hire a guy with a few years of college coaching under thier belt.
Also how many club coaches has gone from club to major college coaches? I am sure thier are a few but cannt be many. Look at the elite clubs and thier coaches have been thier for awhile, young guns, sebolt, pinnacle, izzy style.etc.....not sure as to you could.lure them away.from the clubs but maybe......
Get Brandvold back as the head coach with D1 coaching experience and knowing Wisconsin. Add a couple assistants like Nick Becker, Max Askren, Alex Dieringer, Seth Gross, and you have a solid staff. Other options Pritzlaff or Tanelli.
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2024, 06:14:15 PMHow about
Jake Varner PSU RTC coach
Kyle Ruschell college coach
The Badgers are going to hire a guy with a few years of college coaching under thier belt.
Also how many club coaches has gone from club to major college coaches? I am sure thier are a few but cannt be many. Look at the elite clubs and thier coaches have been thier for awhile, young guns, sebolt, pinnacle, izzy style.etc.....not sure as to you could.lure them away.from the clubs but maybe......
Didn't Poeta go from his club to Illinois head coach? Maybe had assistant coaching between his college career and opening his club? Illinois did not have a good year, but their 2 best wrestlers (Byrd and Braugnel) red-shirted, have some great young recruits/starters and 1 AA this year (Ruth).
Quote from: asdf on March 27, 2024, 08:34:26 PMQuote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2024, 06:14:15 PMHow about
Jake Varner PSU RTC coach
Kyle Ruschell college coach
The Badgers are going to hire a guy with a few years of college coaching under thier belt.
Also how many club coaches has gone from club to major college coaches? I am sure thier are a few but cannt be many. Look at the elite clubs and thier coaches have been thier for awhile, young guns, sebolt, pinnacle, izzy style.etc.....not sure as to you could.lure them away.from the clubs but maybe......
Didn't Poeta go from his club to Illinois head coach? Maybe had assistant coaching between his college career and opening his club? Illinois did not have a good year, but their 2 best wrestlers (Byrd and Braugnel) red-shirted, have some great young recruits/starters and 1 AA this year (Ruth).
Good call. Yes there are a few I am sure but I cannt say alot. Prove me wrong.
Michigan State losing two of their best wrestlers now too.. College sports is crumbling.
Quote from: leg turk on March 28, 2024, 06:44:17 AMMichigan State losing two of their best wrestlers now too.. College sports is crumbling.
I saw Saldate yesterday but Fish now too. Not good!
"but don't you think they would recommend UW to their athletes if the next guy was one of high integrity"
Which I translate as you saying Coach Bono is NOT of high integrity. Care to share your thoughts as to why?
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 27, 2024, 11:06:58 AM"I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year."
You see how messed up this is? What other D-I program in another state has these problems? Ben got his chance to be on the inside and he gave it up. Everyone was all buddy/buddy to start with six years ago and now look at it. You don't think it could happen again? Even with someone they approve of? It very well could and for the most petty reasons, and that's no way to run an athletic program.
MN has this problem...Three Berge's, Two Kennedy, and a Stol, all from the same high school, went elsewhere (4 IA, 1 PS, 1 SDSU). Throw in Hall and Kirkvleit and MN would have been a top 4 team for the last 7-10 years and probably drawing in more top level recruits.
Quote from: Handles II on March 28, 2024, 04:57:03 PMQuote from: wrestlemania on March 27, 2024, 11:06:58 AM"I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year."
You see how messed up this is? What other D-I program in another state has these problems? Ben got his chance to be on the inside and he gave it up. Everyone was all buddy/buddy to start with six years ago and now look at it. You don't think it could happen again? Even with someone they approve of? It very well could and for the most petty reasons, and that's no way to run an athletic program.
MN has this problem...Three Berge's, Two Kennedy, and a Stol, all from the same high school, went elsewhere (4 IA, 1 PS, 1 SDSU). Throw in Hall and Kirkvleit and MN would have been a top 4 team for the last 7-10 years and probably drawing in more top level recruits.
Toss in Taylor Ventz and Joey Novak into the fray also.
If we think it is bad in Wisconsin take a look at Illionis, one odnthe top states for high school for years but the program is usually battling for bottom half of the big ten! Indiana has good high school wrestling but neither Indiana or Purdue has been challenging for a big ten title in recent years either.
Quote from: wrestlemania on March 28, 2024, 03:01:47 PM"but don't you think they would recommend UW to their athletes if the next guy was one of high integrity"
Which I translate as you saying Coach Bono is NOT of high integrity. Care to share your thoughts as to why?
The McDonough situation and the women's RTC come to mind for me. Flying to Worlds to coach Braxton, and not staying to coach Seth after their "disagreement" when Rhonna was kicked out of the UW training facilities.
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2024, 06:53:36 PMQuote from: Harris on March 27, 2024, 06:42:45 PMI am hearing a lot of chatter online that Max Askren is the best fit even if he doesn't have D1 coaching experience. Probably won't happen but I think it would be worth it.
I would love max for the job.
Problem does max has the degrees to coach in college? I hear Master plus
In today's age I would think half to 75% of the time would be spent fund raising and planning events.
Connection to coaches across the nation to recruit.
Connection for kids to rehab/train/specialize in certain areas.
Rules committee informed. Lots of time is chewed up with compliance rules from NCAA.
Just alot of stuff that needs to be addressed for sure. I think Max is a bright you man that has most of the stuff and could pick up stuff real quick.
Nice choice!
I like how you think
Discuss Wisconsin Collegiate Wrestling - All Divisions / Re: Big Ten Tourney
March 13, 2024, 09:21:41 AM
Highly unlikely.....
Ben Askren is unemployable. Max is the only option, then let Ben run the RTC outside of the UW Facilities. Too many assitant options to list
It would work.....
Branvold (understands Wisconsin)
Ringer (doubtful to make olympic team, but will probably be a world teamer) possibly looking to settle down
Steiner to Run the RTC (daughter is at Parkside)
Wish List....
Jason Nolf after this cycle (more than likely not going to beat Dake)
David Taylor (done after this cycle, but M2 and hobby farm living is the life for him)
Quote from: MRL_84 on March 29, 2024, 07:58:27 AMQuote from: wrestlemania on March 28, 2024, 03:01:47 PM"but don't you think they would recommend UW to their athletes if the next guy was one of high integrity"
Which I translate as you saying Coach Bono is NOT of high integrity. Care to share your thoughts as to why?
The McDonough situation and the women's RTC come to mind for me. Flying to Worlds to coach Braxton, and not staying to coach Seth after their "disagreement" when Rhonna was kicked out of the UW training facilities.
Speaking of Rhonna, anyone know if mom is wrestling at the last chance trials qualifier next weekend?
Tried pm? Can you pm me?
Quote from: Handles II on March 28, 2024, 04:57:03 PMQuote from: wrestlemania on March 27, 2024, 11:06:58 AM"I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year."
You see how messed up this is? What other D-I program in another state has these problems? Ben got his chance to be on the inside and he gave it up. Everyone was all buddy/buddy to start with six years ago and now look at it. You don't think it could happen again? Even with someone they approve of? It very well could and for the most petty reasons, and that's no way to run an athletic program.
MN has this problem...Three Berge's, Two Kennedy, and a Stol, all from the same high school, went elsewhere (4 IA, 1 PS, 1 SDSU). Throw in Hall and Kirkvleit and MN would have been a top 4 team for the last 7-10 years and probably drawing in more top level recruits.
I've been pushing Max since January. Ben has lots of interests. The RTC would be perfect for him.
Quote from: VQOriginal on March 29, 2024, 11:08:49 AMI've been pushing Max since January. Ben has lots of interests. The RTC would be perfect for him.
Max has always been on my mind
Discuss Wisconsin Collegiate Wrestling - All Divisions / Re: As it stands..How can Bono remain?
May 10, 2023, 12:10:03 PM
Honestly there is only one coach that could come into Wisconsin at this point and have an immediate impact and put the team into the top 4 within 2 years.
NCAA Champion
CEO/CFO type of a person
Knows Wisconsin Wrestling like the back of his hand
Multiple Degrees
Get's along well with Ben
Could bring in an assistant at the level of a Jason Nolf
Is well respected
Interacts extremely well with WWF
Could possibly sway several past AA's to enter the portal next year
I don't care who the coach is... nothing will change until UW gets modern facilities! We are still using the wrestling room from the 1940's. Most high schools have better facilities! When big time recruits see what else is out there they put UW way down their list.
Quote from: Fish on March 29, 2024, 11:23:02 AMI don't care who the coach is... nothing will change until UW gets modern facilities! We are still using the wrestling room from the 1940's. Most high schools have better facilities! When big time recruits see what else is out there they put UW way down their list.
I honestly don't think the main problem is the facilities but it would help.
Quote from: Fish on March 29, 2024, 11:23:02 AMI don't care who the coach is... nothing will change until UW gets modern facilities! We are still using the wrestling room from the 1940's. Most high schools have better facilities! When big time recruits see what else is out there they put UW way down their list.
Maybe, vintage rooms are a hit with some recruits. Amos and Hamiti were top ten recruits and they still came. Seth Gross was a national champ and he still came. Gomez was a top ten recruit and transferred here. Those guys didn't care. All you need are good mats and good equipment. Just ask Shane Sparks to hook the room up with the latest of those sweet Resilite mats and he will probably do so as he loves the Badgers.
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 29, 2024, 12:44:55 PMQuote from: Fish on March 29, 2024, 11:23:02 AMI don't care who the coach is... nothing will change until UW gets modern facilities! We are still using the wrestling room from the 1940's. Most high schools have better facilities! When big time recruits see what else is out there they put UW way down their list.
Maybe, vintage rooms are a hit with some recruits. Amos and Hamiti were top ten recruits and they still came. Seth Gross was a national champ and he still came. Gomez was a top ten recruit and transferred here. Those guys didn't care. All you need are good mats and good equipment. Just ask Shane Sparks to hook the room up with the latest of those sweet Resilite mats and he will probably do so as he loves the Badgers.
lol ::)
Rocky Balboa didn't need a top notch facility. He split wood with a maul, and jogged through 2 feet of snow.
Quote from: leg turk on March 29, 2024, 06:27:16 PMRocky Balboa didn't need a top notch facility. He split wood with a maul, and jogged through 2 feet of snow.
But he had a great NIL deal, our wrestlers don't
PM blocked..
Quote from: MNbadger on March 29, 2024, 10:20:05 AMTried pm? Can you pm me?Quote from: Handles II on March 28, 2024, 04:57:03 PMQuote from: wrestlemania on March 27, 2024, 11:06:58 AM"I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year."
You see how messed up this is? What other D-I program in another state has these problems? Ben got his chance to be on the inside and he gave it up. Everyone was all buddy/buddy to start with six years ago and now look at it. You don't think it could happen again? Even with someone they approve of? It very well could and for the most petty reasons, and that's no way to run an athletic program.
MN has this problem...Three Berge's, Two Kennedy, and a Stol, all from the same high school, went elsewhere (4 IA, 1 PS, 1 SDSU). Throw in Hall and Kirkvleit and MN would have been a top 4 team for the last 7-10 years and probably drawing in more top level recruits.
Quote from: MNbadger on March 29, 2024, 07:11:05 PMPM blocked..Quote from: MNbadger on March 29, 2024, 10:20:05 AMTried pm? Can you pm me?Quote from: Handles II on March 28, 2024, 04:57:03 PMQuote from: wrestlemania on March 27, 2024, 11:06:58 AM"I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year."
You see how messed up this is? What other D-I program in another state has these problems? Ben got his chance to be on the inside and he gave it up. Everyone was all buddy/buddy to start with six years ago and now look at it. You don't think it could happen again? Even with someone they approve of? It very well could and for the most petty reasons, and that's no way to run an athletic program.
MN has this problem...Three Berge's, Two Kennedy, and a Stol, all from the same high school, went elsewhere (4 IA, 1 PS, 1 SDSU). Throw in Hall and Kirkvleit and MN would have been a top 4 team for the last 7-10 years and probably drawing in more top level recruits.
But they still got the GOAT, Gable Steveson.
Quote from: BadgerOne on March 29, 2024, 07:50:14 PMQuote from: MNbadger on March 29, 2024, 07:11:05 PMPM blocked..Quote from: MNbadger on March 29, 2024, 10:20:05 AMTried pm? Can you pm me?Quote from: Handles II on March 28, 2024, 04:57:03 PMQuote from: wrestlemania on March 27, 2024, 11:06:58 AM"I don't believe the Askren's are interested, but they should be a part of the hiring committee for the next coach. A healthy partnership between the Badgers, clubs and high schools at this time will make a huge difference at a time that Wisconsin wrestling is getting better each year."
You see how messed up this is? What other D-I program in another state has these problems? Ben got his chance to be on the inside and he gave it up. Everyone was all buddy/buddy to start with six years ago and now look at it. You don't think it could happen again? Even with someone they approve of? It very well could and for the most petty reasons, and that's no way to run an athletic program.
MN has this problem...Three Berge's, Two Kennedy, and a Stol, all from the same high school, went elsewhere (4 IA, 1 PS, 1 SDSU). Throw in Hall and Kirkvleit and MN would have been a top 4 team for the last 7-10 years and probably drawing in more top level recruits.
But they still got the GOAT, Gable Steveson and Kerkvliet committed to UM but he would have been stuck behind Gable and wisely looked for another school.
Quote from: charteroak1 on March 27, 2024, 07:14:26 PMMasters plus, doubt it. Didn't Tony Granato finish his undergrad right before he took the head coaching job or shortly after taking it. I think all a coach need is a bachelor's.
I could be wrong but I do think all college coaches basically have master degree now. Sure some exceptions for quick hires and with Granto being a NHL head coach maybe is a trade off for not having a master. The Big Ten coaches I looked up had masters but didn't look at all. Saw enough to think having a masters probably is wanted by most colleges.
At the end of the day, no matter who's coaching the Badgers, it's painful Watching Last Chance, PNL,Nationals and knowing these kids could be wearing the W singlet.
Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on April 07, 2024, 10:50:25 AMAt the end of the day, no matter who's coaching the Badgers, it's painful Watching Last Chance, PNL,Nationals and knowing these kids could be wearing the W singlet.
Wait until the US Open and the WTT. Going to see several Wisconsin athletes that do not wrestle for Wisconsin!
I'll have Eric Barnett on tomorrow morning at 9am. Might get some insight to some things concerning the Badgers.
Good idea! Ask him why he waved Grayson Clark off of WI because the room was so toxic.
Ask him about the fist fight in the room recently and how one of the wrestlers was upset he was disciplined when Gomez was allowed to punch and choke other wresters with no consequences.Ask about Gross and Reader running around apologizing to kids over Bono because he is so out of hand.
Ask him about Dean leaving.
I read these boards and it seems that most on here have no idea what is happening in the room.The team despises him as did the kids at SDSU,as do most other college coaches.None of this is a secret.
You think Estrada de committed because of the facilities?MY God the mental gymnastics on here are something.I stopped giving money several years ago and finally after NCAAs convinced my father in law to stop giving to this dumpster fire.
If Eric wont tell you ask others because all of this is widely known.
I have to agree. There are so many stories floating around not sure what to believe. The results in the past few years certainly don't shine a positive light on any situation coming out of the room. Fist fights happen often in wrestling rooms. OK State at one time had a boxing ring or an area to settle problems.
Ray Williams,
I will see what he is willing to speak about for sure.
Quote from: Ray Williams on April 07, 2024, 08:42:09 PMGood idea! Ask him why he waved Grayson Clark off of WI because the room was so toxic.
Ask him about the fist fight in the room recently and how one of the wrestlers was upset he was disciplined when Gomez was allowed to punch and choke other wresters with no consequences.Ask about Gross and Reader running around apologizing to kids over Bono because he is so out of hand.
Ask him about Dean leaving.
I read these boards and it seems that most on here have no idea what is happening in the room.The team despises him as did the kids at SDSU,as do most other college coaches.None of this is a secret.
You think Estrada de committed because of the facilities?MY God the mental gymnastics on here are something.I stopped giving money several years ago and finally after NCAAs convinced my father in law to stop giving to this dumpster fire.
If Eric wont tell you ask others because all of this is widely known.
This sounds like a whole lot to supposition and may short on some really important facts. Relying on message boards for your information, seems like a dangerous thing to do. Whatever the facts are, they are generally and should are kept in house.
Quote from: Ray Williams on April 07, 2024, 08:42:09 PMGood idea! Ask him why he waved Grayson Clark off of WI because the room was so toxic.
Ask him about the fist fight in the room recently and how one of the wrestlers was upset he was disciplined when Gomez was allowed to punch and choke other wresters with no consequences.Ask about Gross and Reader running around apologizing to kids over Bono because he is so out of hand.
Ask him about Dean leaving.
I read these boards and it seems that most on here have no idea what is happening in the room.The team despises him as did the kids at SDSU,as do most other college coaches.None of this is a secret.
You think Estrada de committed because of the facilities?MY God the mental gymnastics on here are something.I stopped giving money several years ago and finally after NCAAs convinced my father in law to stop giving to this dumpster fire.
If Eric wont tell you ask others because all of this is widely known.
I 100% stopped donating after all the women left, where is all of that money going?
I got a call from one of the wrestlers a year or so ago asking for more money, I felt bad after, cause I unloaded on him.
The RTC collected over 300K last year and list only Seth Gross on the roster....Something doesn't add up
get rid of this clown
Quote from: VQOriginal on April 07, 2024, 07:17:44 PMI'll have Eric Barnett on tomorrow morning at 9am. Might get some insight to some things concerning the Badgers.
How'd it go? Is this a podcast I can listen to? Where can I download it? Thanks
Quote from: imwi on April 08, 2024, 12:46:27 PMQuote from: VQOriginal on April 07, 2024, 07:17:44 PMI'll have Eric Barnett on tomorrow morning at 9am. Might get some insight to some things concerning the Badgers.
How'd it go? Is this a podcast I can listen to? Where can I download it? Thanks
It went really well! It's live at first on our YouTube channel. Link below!
https://www.youtube.com/live/9zC0P67oKOs?si=OqlKZEI7lOhgod1q
Then I will have it downloaded today in podcast form. It goes out to several different podcast platforms from there. It's the Vision Quest Podcast!
VQOriginal - Thank you for the link. Liked listening to the q&a. Good informative stuff for the outsider.
Quote from: VQOriginal on April 09, 2024, 08:41:34 AMQuote from: imwi on April 08, 2024, 12:46:27 PMQuote from: VQOriginal on April 07, 2024, 07:17:44 PMI'll have Eric Barnett on tomorrow morning at 9am. Might get some insight to some things concerning the Badgers.
How'd it go? Is this a podcast I can listen to? Where can I download it? Thanks
Thanks for the link
It went really well! It's live at first on our YouTube channel. Link below!
https://www.youtube.com/live/9zC0P67oKOs?si=OqlKZEI7lOhgod1q
Then I will have it downloaded today in podcast form. It goes out to several different podcast platforms from there. It's the Vision Quest Podcast!
Eric is a stand up guy.
Ben Askren is at Camp Randall today.
https://x.com/S_Allen308/status/1778103107970306302
Honestly, I just want to support a classy team that has potential to be a top 5 team year in and year out. I want to watch great kids from our WI high schools wrestle for Bucky. I want the Hamitis, Howes, and Wicks of the world as well.
I wanted this with Coach Davis. I wanted this and thought we would get it from Coach Bono. I want it from whoever we have coaching. I really want AD McIntosh to want it as bad as I do.
That is the goal.
Quote from: wrastle63 on April 10, 2024, 02:21:13 PMBen Askren is at Camp Randall today.
https://x.com/S_Allen308/status/1778103107970306302
Just a coincidence.
Not sure if it was mentioned here or not before, but he also did make notice that he was leaving FRL during their 1000th episode to pursue other interests...I wonder what those interests are?
Maybe Mac is doing an intervention with Ben and Bono?
Something must be happening, it seems very quiet.
Quote from: leg turk on April 10, 2024, 06:16:12 PMSomething must be happening, it seems very quiet.
Quite possibly. I haven't seen Matt Deadman or BigOil posting much in recent times. They have been longtime Bono supporters with connections to the program and they used to show up to quash any post perceived as being negative towards Bono. I'm sure that those close to the program know if something might be brewing, but I know nothing but Hamiti's departure and Kelly's flip coupled with Bono's poor recruiting in Wisconsin make me wonder.
Quote from: charteroak1 on April 10, 2024, 05:49:20 PMNot sure if it was mentioned here or not before, but he also did make notice that he was leaving FRL during their 1000th episode to pursue other interests...I wonder what those interests are?
Maybe Mac is doing an intervention with Ben and Bono?
I found this curious also, the part about him leaving FRL
All I will say is this...where there is smoke, there is fire. Ben was not there to find new flip flops nor have tea with Tony Evers.
"If Eric wont tell you ask others because all of this is widely known."
It is? This is the first time I've read information like this (in very specific form) on these boards.
Some of this, if true, is very serious and needs to be addressed and if that means Bono has to go, so be it.
But just remember this, you can run off Davis and Bono and whoever else comes aboard to be the captain, but the ship will remain stuck until new facilities are built, more money is raised, the RTC has more than one wrestler training and every coach in the state (club or high school) is on the same page as far as the program goes. Because as I said, everything was hunky dory six years ago and all it took was one little dispute (actually, it probably wasn't little) and the whole thing came apart. It could easily happen again. So in the meantime, structural changes have to be made for the long-term health of the program regardless who the coach is so can compete at a higher level because right now, no matter who the coach is, it can't.
Quote from: wrastle63 on April 10, 2024, 02:21:13 PMBen Askren is at Camp Randall today.
https://x.com/S_Allen308/status/1778103107970306302
FRL could be interesting this morning...
Quote from: Numbers on April 11, 2024, 06:40:04 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on April 10, 2024, 02:21:13 PMBen Askren is at Camp Randall today.
https://x.com/S_Allen308/status/1778103107970306302
FRL could be interesting this morning...
This was a lot to do about nothing. Ben said he went there to just buy a sweatshirt from the team store.
Quote from: walden_hiker on April 11, 2024, 08:55:59 AMQuote from: Numbers on April 11, 2024, 06:40:04 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on April 10, 2024, 02:21:13 PMBen Askren is at Camp Randall today.
https://x.com/S_Allen308/status/1778103107970306302
FRL could be interesting this morning...
This was a lot to do about nothing. Ben said he went there to just buy a sweatshirt from the team store.
You believe that?
Quote from: walden_hiker on April 11, 2024, 08:55:59 AMQuote from: Numbers on April 11, 2024, 06:40:04 AMQuote from: wrastle63 on April 10, 2024, 02:21:13 PMBen Askren is at Camp Randall today.
https://x.com/S_Allen308/status/1778103107970306302
FRL could be interesting this morning...
This was a lot to do about nothing. Ben said he went there to just buy a sweatshirt from the team store.
Yeah just went to buy a sweatshirt lol
Quote from: wrestlemania on April 10, 2024, 11:29:15 PM"If Eric wont tell you ask others because all of this is widely known."
It is? This is the first time I've read information like this (in very specific form) on these boards.
Some of this, if true, is very serious and needs to be addressed and if that means Bono has to go, so be it.
But just remember this, you can run off Davis and Bono and whoever else comes aboard to be the captain, but the ship will remain stuck until new facilities are built, more money is raised, the RTC has more than one wrestler training and every coach in the state (club or high school) is on the same page as far as the program goes. Because as I said, everything was hunky dory six years ago and all it took was one little dispute (actually, it probably wasn't little) and the whole thing came apart. It could easily happen again. So in the meantime, structural changes have to be made for the long-term health of the program regardless who the coach is so can compete at a higher level because right now, no matter who the coach is, it can't.
Rumors have been flying for a while. Whether they are true or not, still not a good look. I do agree that Ben maybe given alittle to much power into the program.
Sweatshirt? Hodie? I heard it was 2 tee shirts?
Quote from: badgerjohn on April 11, 2024, 10:32:47 AMSweatshirt? Hodie? I heard it was 2 tee shirts?
On Flo this morning, he shared that he was in Madison to visit a friend and then stopped by the team store for a sweatshirt.
Why would he buy a Wisconsin sweatshirt?
My two cents:
Reader announces CMU hire after trials (he knew his stock was falling and is getting out before it hits zero)
AD requested AWA meeting for blessings on Reader replacement under Bono (he knows UW cannot succeed with it)
However, I believe Ben still wants the head coach job at UW, it is the only real challenge left for him (in his eyes). He wants an NCAA team title and to coach world champions out of an RTC. The 1,000 FRL episode makes me think this may still be in play.
We'll know more starting Sunday after the trials, I can't wait!
Reader just tweeted "Can't wait to get the BADGERS back on track next season! Let's go!"
Was also tweeted by Pat Mineo that the staff was coming back.
Super excited that Reader is coming back.
Quote from: Harris on April 11, 2024, 12:08:21 PMSuper excited that Reader is coming back.
Surprised DJ left with Reader returning.
Quote from: No One Cares on April 11, 2024, 12:03:59 PMReader just tweeted "Can't wait to get the BADGERS back on track next season! Let's go!"
Was also tweeted by Pat Mineo that the staff was coming back.
Nice to see some acknowledgement, that things aren't "unbelievable", which at this point they pretty much are.
As much as I know the most likely scenario for next season's UW staff is exactly what it is now, I also know that will likely result in Cyclone vs Badger type scores all Big 10 season long next year. I sincerely hope they prove me wrong.
Could it be possible, Ben/AWA gets involved with the RTC again? It would explain Reader's excitement, Ben's FRL announcement and reasoning, Ben in Madison, and the bottom line it would be good for AWA.
Unless there is a significant transfer brought in, this has to be the last year when they only have a couple qualifiers and nobody close to being an AA.
If I was Bono and the first I learned of this "meeting" between the AD and the Askrens was on the internet, I would tendering my resignation now. Unless they were all together in the same room (a possibility), I would not coach in an athletic department which undermined me like that.
wrestlemania - well Bono can let the door hit him in the back side on the way out. His days are limited regardless, and if he resigned he'd have no where to go anywhere. Who would hire this guy after the debacle he's created in his 6 years in WI ? Bono's ego is his biggest detriment. This team wont come close to sniffing an AA next year. HE burned the bridge with Askren and there is no re-building that bridge. He needs to go. Just cant wait for the "Great Day to be a Badger" post where he announces another D3 grad transfer coming to Madison. Bono cant recruit and there is no saving the sinking ship he's created.
Quote from: No One Cares on April 11, 2024, 12:03:59 PMReader just tweeted "Can't wait to get the BADGERS back on track next season! Let's go!"
Was also tweeted by Pat Mineo that the staff was coming back.
I guess Reader didn't land the CMU job or another head coaching job.
When Bono moved to Wisconsin he had reason to believe the AWA pipeline was going to be a big asset. Unfortunately things changed for whatever reason.
Quote from: No One Cares on April 11, 2024, 12:03:59 PMReader just tweeted "Can't wait to get the BADGERS back on track next season! Let's go!"
Was also tweeted by Pat Mineo that the staff was coming back.
So this acknowledges there were rumors of him moving but he is staying.
But how does "back on track next season" look and how possible is that?
Quote from: Numbers on April 11, 2024, 02:25:20 PMQuote from: No One Cares on April 11, 2024, 12:03:59 PMReader just tweeted "Can't wait to get the BADGERS back on track next season! Let's go!"
Was also tweeted by Pat Mineo that the staff was coming back.
So this acknowledges there were rumors of him moving but he is staying.
But how does "back on track next season" look and how possible is that?
Back on Track is a meaningless slogan to me, as there is very little likelihood UW is able to improve on its recent NCAA performance with EB, Hamiti, Maylor and Liegel gone. Bono and Reader use slogans ad nauseum and try to spin everything positively even when the situation is hot garbage. This carnival act wears thin after a while when the results don't follow. I chuckled hearing Bono saying 10 National Champions to his team, when he brought in a hypnotist calling it a game changer, when he promised that he would seal the borders and every time he posts "Great Day to be a Badger" when the guy is not close to being nationally ranked and in other forums, would be called a "Room Guy." Cael and the coaches from the top programs rarely use social media to hype up their programs, and I'd rather see results than meaningless hyperbole.
Quote from: wrestle03 on April 11, 2024, 01:31:50 PMwrestlemania - well Bono can let the door hit him in the back side on the way out. His days are limited regardless, and if he resigned he'd have no where to go anywhere. Who would hire this guy after the debacle he's created in his 6 years in WI ? Bono's ego is his biggest detriment. This team wont come close to sniffing an AA next year. HE burned the bridge with Askren and there is no re-building that bridge. He needs to go. Just cant wait for the "Great Day to be a Badger" post where he announces another D3 grad transfer coming to Madison. Bono cant recruit and there is no saving the sinking ship he's created.
Today I learned an NCAA qualifier and huge contributor to the team last year didn't deserve a tweet from the head coach when he transferred because he was D3.
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 11, 2024, 02:17:25 PMQuote from: No One Cares on April 11, 2024, 12:03:59 PMReader just tweeted "Can't wait to get the BADGERS back on track next season! Let's go!"
Was also tweeted by Pat Mineo that the staff was coming back.
I guess Reader didn't land the CMU job or another head coaching job.
.
How do you know this? Do you have knowledge that he even was looking? Does he have family?(I do not know myself). Maybe he wants to stay in Madison and build a life. Maybe he doesn't want to live in Mount Pleasant.
John Smith coming to Madison?
They traded for Hamiti
Quote from: Wrestling Thug on April 11, 2024, 05:43:25 PMThey traded for Hamiti
But we got Luke Mechler a year early. Wait there's more?
Quote from: fightfightfight on April 11, 2024, 03:53:11 PMQuote from: wrestle03 on April 11, 2024, 01:31:50 PMwrestlemania - well Bono can let the door hit him in the back side on the way out. His days are limited regardless, and if he resigned he'd have no where to go anywhere. Who would hire this guy after the debacle he's created in his 6 years in WI ? Bono's ego is his biggest detriment. This team wont come close to sniffing an AA next year. HE burned the bridge with Askren and there is no re-building that bridge. He needs to go. Just cant wait for the "Great Day to be a Badger" post where he announces another D3 grad transfer coming to Madison. Bono cant recruit and there is no saving the sinking ship he's created.
Today I learned an NCAA qualifier and huge contributor to the team last year didn't deserve a tweet from the head coach when he transferred because he was D3.
That isn't a surprise. Word has it that several of the top talent in the state left without a single contact from this current staff. If this is true that is completely a crime!
You misinterpreted what I said.
Yes - you need to specifically note "sarcasm" when you post. It will keep us all on the same page ;)
Quote from: hammer on April 11, 2024, 09:26:43 PMQuote from: fightfightfight on April 11, 2024, 03:53:11 PMQuote from: wrestle03 on April 11, 2024, 01:31:50 PMwrestlemania - well Bono can let the door hit him in the back side on the way out. His days are limited regardless, and if he resigned he'd have no where to go anywhere. Who would hire this guy after the debacle he's created in his 6 years in WI ? Bono's ego is his biggest detriment. This team wont come close to sniffing an AA next year. HE burned the bridge with Askren and there is no re-building that bridge. He needs to go. Just cant wait for the "Great Day to be a Badger" post where he announces another D3 grad transfer coming to Madison. Bono cant recruit and there is no saving the sinking ship he's created.
Today I learned an NCAA qualifier and huge contributor to the team last year didn't deserve a tweet from the head coach when he transferred because he was D3.
That isn't a surprise. Word has it that several of the top talent in the state left without a single contact from this current staff. If this is true that is completely a crime!
Quote from: fightfightfight on April 12, 2024, 07:58:07 AMYou misinterpreted what I busted!Quote from: fightfightfight on April 12, 2024, 07:58:07 AMYou misinterpreted what I said.
Busted! I don't have social media so you could have said the sky is falling because of a tweet and I would have believed. Like I said word is this staff doesn't contact on a regular basis some of the top recruits in Wisconsin.
"Today I learned an NCAA qualifier and huge contributor to the team last year didn't deserve a tweet from the head coach when he transferred because he was D3. "
Which is a typical remark of some of the so-called "fans" around here. I tell you what Wrestle03, when the next coach comes aboard, you can be the one to defend him when he fails (i.e. winning team titles) for the very same reasons every other Wisconsin coach has failed. That is, if you're still around to do so after Bono leaves and your mission is accomplished.
Bono's ego is his biggest detriment
Name me a another big-time coach who doesn't have a "ego". The Askrens have egos too. I mean, have you even met Bono or talked to him for a few minutes to even judge what he's like or what his ego is? I'm curious as to why (and to be fair Wrestle03 isn't the only one who has mentioned this) this has become a problem or what specifically he has done to get people complaining about his "ego"?
HE burned the bridge with Askren and there is no re-building that bridge.
The Askrens also know how to play with matches as well. As I said, if Bono wasn't in the same room with McIntosh and Max and Ben the other day, then Bono should do what's in his best interest and leave. He can find another job and will. But he can't be the head coach if his boss is underminding him.
Then you complain about him being all hype and no substance. Remember that we demanded Barry Davis' head because he wouldn't "hype" the program. It seems like nothing a UW coach can do can win over all the fans (except winning it all of course) Then that coach runs into the same brick wall and we start all over again.
Quote from: wrestle03 on April 11, 2024, 01:31:50 PMwrestlemania - well Bono can let the door hit him in the back side on the way out. His days are limited regardless, and if he resigned he'd have no where to go anywhere. Who would hire this guy after the debacle he's created in his 6 years in WI ? Bono's ego is his biggest detriment. This team wont come close to sniffing an AA next year. HE burned the bridge with Askren and there is no re-building that bridge. He needs to go. Just cant wait for the "Great Day to be a Badger" post where he announces another D3 grad transfer coming to Madison. Bono cant recruit and there is no saving the sinking ship he's created.
It's ok to have an opinion but man you are just plain brutal. If I was a prospective wrestler/parent and saw these types of posts, I would certainly question the loyalty of the WI wrestling fan base. There appears to be some "fans" that will turn on you somewhat quickly.
The Askerns, it my opinion, probably needs to take more ownership in the poor relationship with UW wrestling. They couldn't get along with the Davis staff and their coaching style nor the Bono staff and their different coaching style. The Askerns right now are the common denominator in this poor relationship. Until they are willing to change, you kinda have to agree with others that no matter who the UW coaching staff is, there will not be a great relationship with AWA. Everyone loses here especially the in state wrestling kids!!
Quote from: Healthy and happy on April 12, 2024, 10:56:52 AMQuote from: wrestle03 on April 11, 2024, 01:31:50 PMwrestlemania - well Bono can let the door hit him in the back side on the way out. His days are limited regardless, and if he resigned he'd have no where to go anywhere. Who would hire this guy after the debacle he's created in his 6 years in WI ? Bono's ego is his biggest detriment. This team wont come close to sniffing an AA next year. HE burned the bridge with Askren and there is no re-building that bridge. He needs to go. Just cant wait for the "Great Day to be a Badger" post where he announces another D3 grad transfer coming to Madison. Bono cant recruit and there is no saving the sinking ship he's created.
It's ok to have an opinion but man you are just plain brutal. If I was a prospective wrestler/parent and saw these types of posts, I would certainly question the loyalty of the WI wrestling fan base. There appears to be some "fans" that will turn on you somewhat quickly.
The Askerns, it my opinion, probably needs to take more ownership in the poor relationship with UW wrestling. They couldn't get along with the Davis staff and their coaching style nor the Bono staff and their different coaching style. The Askerns right now are the common denominator in this poor relationship. Until they are willing to change, you kinda have to agree with others that no matter who the UW coaching staff is, there will not be a great relationship with AWA. Everyone loses here especially the in state wrestling kids!!
Looks to be several of the kids are doing very good wrestling outside of the state. Like another poster has been saying, time for the head coach of the Badgers step up and say it is his state for wrestling. Yet to be done and the AWA problem will continue!
The UW football coaches hosted the States HS coaches last weekend. Luke spoke about NIL and how it is changing the college atmosphere. He specifically mentioned UW wrestling losing a wrestler to a huge NIL deal. Obviously he was referring to Hamiti.
I wrote in an earlier thread, and I will post it again, unless UW's wrestling program is given more dollars to play with we will not be competing for top recruits any longer. I encourage anyone to reach to programs insiders and they will tell you that UW is way behind the top programs in NIL money. So we can fire Bono, hire Max, ect. It won't matter unless we commit more dollars and in order for that to happen UW will have to believe the investment is worth it.
Quote from: 1Iota on April 12, 2024, 11:08:55 AMThe UW football coaches hosted the States HS coaches last weekend. Luke spoke about NIL and how it is changing the college atmosphere. He specifically mentioned UW wrestling losing a wrestler to a huge NIL deal. Obviously he was referring to Hamiti.
I wrote in an earlier thread, and I will post it again, unless UW's wrestling program is given more dollars to play with we will not be competing for top recruits any longer. I encourage anyone to reach to programs insiders and they will tell you that UW is way behind the top programs in NIL money. So we can fire Bono, hire Max, ect. It won't matter unless we commit more dollars and in order for that to happen UW will have to believe the investment is worth it.
NIL from what inhave been told doesn't come from the school it comes from outside avenues. That means the coaches have to market themselves to the people that will think important. If you have been to the nation's you see coaches like Cael working the fan section. Talking to older people and such. Haven't seen Bono working the crowd like Cael and others. US Open you see coaches talking with athletes from other schools. Not saying tampering at all just saying many coaches continue have relationships with athletes. Does Bononhave this?
Quote from: hammer on April 12, 2024, 02:38:25 PMQuote from: 1Iota on April 12, 2024, 11:08:55 AMThe UW football coaches hosted the States HS coaches last weekend. Luke spoke about NIL and how it is changing the college atmosphere. He specifically mentioned UW wrestling losing a wrestler to a huge NIL deal. Obviously he was referring to Hamiti.
I wrote in an earlier thread, and I will post it again, unless UW's wrestling program is given more dollars to play with we will not be competing for top recruits any longer. I encourage anyone to reach to programs insiders and they will tell you that UW is way behind the top programs in NIL money. So we can fire Bono, hire Max, ect. It won't matter unless we commit more dollars and in order for that to happen UW will have to believe the investment is worth it.
NIL from what inhave been told doesn't come from the school it comes from outside avenues. That means the coaches have to market themselves to the people that will think important. If you have been to the nation's you see coaches like Cael working the fan section. Talking to older people and such. Haven't seen Bono working the crowd like Cael and others. US Open you see coaches talking with athletes from other schools. Not saying tampering at all just saying many coaches continue have relationships with athletes. Does Bononhave this?
It is really two fold. You have money that comes directly to the athlete from outside entities such as ads, promos, ect. You also have money that is given to the programs from outside donors and dispersed at their discretion. But you also have money that is provided by the University to be allocated as needed by their programs.
I can speak of West Virginia University. They have a group called Country Roads Trust that provides money to the athletes for all sports. I know of one individual, a red shirt on the football team with a full scholarship, that received $10,000 for attending two 3-hour youth football camps. At the end of the year any money left over in that year's available funds is divided amongst all the athletes. Not sure what that total was.
If you think NIL money doesn't make a difference, take a look at the top athletes and their totals:
1. Shedeur Sanders (Deion's son) - $4.7M
2. Bronny James (Lebron's son) - $4.5M (while in High School)
3. Arch Manning - $2.8M
4. Travis Hunter - $2.4M
Certainly, the larger sports have a bigger payout. How many followers you have on social media is also a big draw to companies as their name gets out to more potential purchasers of their product.
Quote from: 1Iota on April 13, 2024, 10:47:57 AMQuote from: hammer on April 12, 2024, 02:38:25 PMQuote from: 1Iota on April 12, 2024, 11:08:55 AMThe UW football coaches hosted the States HS coaches last weekend. Luke spoke about NIL and how it is changing the college atmosphere. He specifically mentioned UW wrestling losing a wrestler to a huge NIL deal. Obviously he was referring to Hamiti.
I wrote in an earlier thread, and I will post it again, unless UW's wrestling program is given more dollars to play with we will not be competing for top recruits any longer. I encourage anyone to reach to programs insiders and they will tell you that UW is way behind the top programs in NIL money. So we can fire Bono, hire Max, ect. It won't matter unless we commit more dollars and in order for that to happen UW will have to believe the investment is worth it.
NIL from what inhave been told doesn't come from the school it comes from outside avenues. That means the coaches have to market themselves to the people that will think important. If you have been to the nation's you see coaches like Cael working the fan section. Talking to older people and such. Haven't seen Bono working the crowd like Cael and others. US Open you see coaches talking with athletes from other schools. Not saying tampering at all just saying many coaches continue have relationships with athletes. Does Bononhave this?
It is really two fold. You have money that comes directly to the athlete from outside entities such as ads, promos, ect. You also have money that is given to the programs from outside donors and dispersed at their discretion. But you also have money that is provided by the University to be allocated as needed by their programs.
Wouldn't that be three fold?
Quote from: 1Iota on April 12, 2024, 11:08:55 AMThe UW football coaches hosted the States HS coaches last weekend. Luke spoke about NIL and how it is changing the college atmosphere. He specifically mentioned UW wrestling losing a wrestler to a huge NIL deal. Obviously he was referring to Hamiti.
I wrote in an earlier thread, and I will post it again, unless UW's wrestling program is given more dollars to play with we will not be competing for top recruits any longer. I encourage anyone to reach to programs insiders and they will tell you that UW is way behind the top programs in NIL money. So we can fire Bono, hire Max, ect. It won't matter unless we commit more dollars and in order for that to happen UW will have to believe the investment is worth it.
How many times in Bono's tenure has he hosted HS coaches like Fickell has? Maybe I missed Bono (or anyone) discussing it, but I make a point to seek out Badger wrestling info on Twitter, Facbook, this forum, etc. and have not seen much going on.
Agree that $$$ helps recruitment, but better communication would increase donations in my opinion.
NIL can backfire also. Quinn Ewers (QB) was the first athlete to receive an NIL payment for more than $1M for going to The Ohio State University. He left after his RS year to attend Texas, so OSU received nothing for their $1M investment.
Quote from: MakingABadgerer on April 15, 2024, 08:52:24 AMQuote from: 1Iota on April 13, 2024, 10:47:57 AMQuote from: hammer on April 12, 2024, 02:38:25 PMQuote from: 1Iota on April 12, 2024, 11:08:55 AMThe UW football coaches hosted the States HS coaches last weekend. Luke spoke about NIL and how it is changing the college atmosphere. He specifically mentioned UW wrestling losing a wrestler to a huge NIL deal. Obviously he was referring to Hamiti.
I wrote in an earlier thread, and I will post it again, unless UW's wrestling program is given more dollars to play with we will not be competing for top recruits any longer. I encourage anyone to reach to programs insiders and they will tell you that UW is way behind the top programs in NIL money. So we can fire Bono, hire Max, ect. It won't matter unless we commit more dollars and in order for that to happen UW will have to believe the investment is worth it.
NIL from what inhave been told doesn't come from the school it comes from outside avenues. That means the coaches have to market themselves to the people that will think important. If you have been to the nation's you see coaches like Cael working the fan section. Talking to older people and such. Haven't seen Bono working the crowd like Cael and others. US Open you see coaches talking with athletes from other schools. Not saying tampering at all just saying many coaches continue have relationships with athletes. Does Bononhave this?
It is really two fold. You have money that comes directly to the athlete from outside entities such as ads, promos, ect. You also have money that is given to the programs from outside donors and dispersed at their discretion. But you also have money that is provided by the University to be allocated as needed by their programs.
Wouldn't that be three fold?
;D
It's not just wrestling, Badgers Basketball just lost their 2 best players. College sports as we knew them are over...this new era blows! A great wrester coming to WI and staying all 4-5 years would be an anomaly, we are now a farm club for the schools with $
Quote from: Crazyotto on April 18, 2024, 02:27:46 PMIt's not just wrestling, Badgers Basketball just lost their 2 best players. College sports as we knew them are over...this new era blows! A great wrester coming to WI and staying all 4-5 years would be an anomaly, we are now a farm club for the schools with $
But UW is spending more $ on its coaching staff than most of the other wrestling programs. When I last checked there were only about 7 other programs (PSU, Iowa, Oklahoma St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa St., Missouri) that spent more on their head coach. UW has money. Perhaps, it's not about having money, but spending it wisely.
UW could be the place were former wisconsin high schoolers come back to wrestle also, whether for a year or two. Who knows in this environment
I sure hope that the Wisconsin AD is sending out stuff to the current Badgers and recruits saying they are 100% behind Bono and the staff. Could be pretty thin in the room in the next year or two. Why doesn't Bono reach to to hardly any in state kids? Is parents stopping this? Man there is fargo champs and multiple time UWW all Americans not even getting contact from the current staff!
Quote from: hammer on April 18, 2024, 04:32:12 PMI sure hope that the Wisconsin AD is sending out stuff to the current Badgers and recruits saying they are 100% behind Bono and the staff. Could be pretty thin in the room in the next year or two. Why doesn't Bono reach to to hardly any in state kids? Is parents stopping this? Man there is fargo champs and multiple time UWW all Americans not even getting contact from the current staff!
Who are the wrestlers not getting contacted?
Quote from: Sudden Death on April 18, 2024, 05:30:31 PMQuote from: hammer on April 18, 2024, 04:32:12 PMI sure hope that the Wisconsin AD is sending out stuff to the current Badgers and recruits saying they are 100% behind Bono and the staff. Could be pretty thin in the room in the next year or two. Why doesn't Bono reach to to hardly any in state kids? Is parents stopping this? Man there is fargo champs and multiple time UWW all Americans not even getting contact from the current staff!
Who are the wrestlers not getting contacted?
During Bono tenure several high level current/former wrestlers have gotten with little or no contact by this current staff. Talked about very frequently during the tenure of Bono.
Quote from: hammer on April 18, 2024, 05:46:38 PMQuote from: Sudden Death on April 18, 2024, 05:30:31 PMQuote from: hammer on April 18, 2024, 04:32:12 PMI sure hope that the Wisconsin AD is sending out stuff to the current Badgers and recruits saying they are 100% behind Bono and the staff. Could be pretty thin in the room in the next year or two. Why doesn't Bono reach to to hardly any in state kids? Is parents stopping this? Man there is fargo champs and multiple time UWW all Americans not even getting contact from the current staff!
Who are the wrestlers not getting contacted?
During Bono tenure several high level current/former wrestlers have gotten with little or no contact by this current staff. Talked about very frequently during the tenure of Bono.
And none have been named. I'm not defending this staff because this program is not in a strong place but who hasn't been contacted? It's constantly been said, but who?
15 or so WI guys on the roster this season, seems like not everyone has a problem.
Quote from: Crazyotto on April 18, 2024, 02:27:46 PMIt's not just wrestling, Badgers Basketball just lost their 2 best players. College sports as we knew them are over...this new era blows! A great wrester coming to WI and staying all 4-5 years would be an anomaly, we are now a farm club for the schools with $
I agree with this take. I think many fans cannot fathom the money that PSU, Michigan, Iowa, and Ohio State have. Other teams will be farm teams fot those with money. Honestly if this keeps going the way it is, I have little interest in it. It will still be fun for a while until the lesser teams will have fewer and fewer competitive individuals.
But UW is spending more $ on its coaching staff than most of the other wrestling programs. When I last checked there were only about 7 other programs (PSU, Iowa, Oklahoma St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa St., Missouri) that spent more on their head coach. UW has money. Perhaps, it's not about having money, but spending it wisely.
That's just the money the school pays the coach and the staff. We're not talking NIL money or what boosters foot the bill for in any program and on that level UW ain't in the Top 10.
Quote from: wrestlemania on April 18, 2024, 09:20:26 PMBut UW is spending more $ on its coaching staff than most of the other wrestling programs. When I last checked there were only about 7 other programs (PSU, Iowa, Oklahoma St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa St., Missouri) that spent more on their head coach. UW has money. Perhaps, it's not about having money, but spending it wisely.
That's just the money the school pays the coach and the staff. We're not talking NIL money or what boosters foot the bill for in any program and on that level UW ain't in the Top 10.
It does look like UW is in top 10 spending on something we can measure. I don't think there is any record of what college wrestling programs spend on NIL or its boosters spend on NIL. If so link your source. Wisconsin is the only D1 school in its state and its a richer state than Iowa that has to support three D1 schools and Oklahoma which has two. Wisconsin has opportunity to have a spending edge on those schools. Let's go!
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 19, 2024, 11:40:16 AMQuote from: wrestlemania on April 18, 2024, 09:20:26 PMBut UW is spending more $ on its coaching staff than most of the other wrestling programs. When I last checked there were only about 7 other programs (PSU, Iowa, Oklahoma St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa St., Missouri) that spent more on their head coach. UW has money. Perhaps, it's not about having money, but spending it wisely.
That's just the money the school pays the coach and the staff. We're not talking NIL money or what boosters foot the bill for in any program and on that level UW ain't in the Top 10.
It does look like UW is in top 10 spending on something we can measure. I don't think there is any record of what college wrestling programs spend on NIL or its boosters spend on NIL. If so link your source. Wisconsin is the only D1 school in its state and its a richer state than Iowa that has to support three D1 schools and Oklahoma which has two. Wisconsin has opportunity to have a spending edge on those schools. Let's go!
FedEx just committed $25million to NIL at Memphis.
Maybe we can get State St. Brats to donate some money to UW.
Quote from: No One Cares on April 19, 2024, 11:52:07 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on April 19, 2024, 11:40:16 AMQuote from: wrestlemania on April 18, 2024, 09:20:26 PMBut UW is spending more $ on its coaching staff than most of the other wrestling programs. When I last checked there were only about 7 other programs (PSU, Iowa, Oklahoma St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa St., Missouri) that spent more on their head coach. UW has money. Perhaps, it's not about having money, but spending it wisely.
That's just the money the school pays the coach and the staff. We're not talking NIL money or what boosters foot the bill for in any program and on that level UW ain't in the Top 10.
It does look like UW is in top 10 spending on something we can measure. I don't think there is any record of what college wrestling programs spend on NIL or its boosters spend on NIL. If so link your source. Wisconsin is the only D1 school in its state and its a richer state than Iowa that has to support three D1 schools and Oklahoma which has two. Wisconsin has opportunity to have a spending edge on those schools. Let's go!
FedEx just committed $25million to NIL at Memphis.
Maybe we can get State St. Brats to donate some money to UW.
??? Memphis doesn't even have a wrestling program.
They extended Bono contract another year today. Kind of a formality but not going anywhere this year
No he's not and quite frankly I don't think he's going anywhere any time soon unless the situation in the wrestling room grows so toxic the program can't function and or the team's dual meet record and B1G and NCAA standing completely tank. I don't know if they feel like they have much in the way of options other than to turn over the program to the Askrens in some form. A big name coach isn't going to come here with the facilities they have currently and the lack of money put into the program outside of what the school pays. And whatever "meeting" McIntosh had with the Askrens recently probably had little to do with the men's program outside of perhaps Mac saying; "Quit blacklisting us." Heck, given Bono's background at the time he was hired, they were probably lucky he was even interested at all.
So the status quo reigns and if you're not a fan of it, I recommend you just don't follow the program until something changes. Because the constant attacks upon it serves no ones interests and quite frankly are irrelevant. If the results show a change is needed that's what will influence the decision-makers, not internet chatter, a lot of which turns out (and especially in this case) not to be true.
The results the past several years have already shown that a change needs to be made. The debacle of how things have been handled at the WRTC show that changes need to be made. No one is going to pony up their money and donate to a program / regime in Bono who has proven he cant / wont get the job done. Stop making excuses about the facilities and lack of money - success would breed change. People tend to shy away from supporting a losing program that is going no where.
Best of luck to the coach and I really hope he knocks it out of the park! That being said, and I hope I'm wrong, but I think this opens the possibility of the program being eliminated. Again, I hope I'm wrong and that I get proven 100% wrong! There is so much change happening on the NCAA landscape and in the Big 10 that it worries me that the window could be open for pulling the plug, especially since several of the new schools coming in don't have wrestling. I'd truly love to eat crow while I watch multiple guys AA next year....
Quote from: wrestlemania on April 19, 2024, 04:24:26 PMNo he's not and quite frankly I don't think he's going anywhere any time soon unless the situation in the wrestling room grows so toxic the program can't function and or the team's dual meet record and B1G and NCAA standing completely tank. I don't know if they feel like they have much in the way of options other than to turn over the program to the Askrens in some form. A big name coach isn't going to come here with the facilities they have currently and the lack of money put into the program outside of what the school pays. And whatever "meeting" McIntosh had with the Askrens recently probably had little to do with the men's program outside of perhaps Mac saying; "Quit blacklisting us." Heck, given Bono's background at the time he was hired, they were probably lucky he was even interested at all.
So the status quo reigns and if you're not a fan of it, I recommend you just don't follow the program until something changes. Because the constant attacks upon it serves no ones interests and quite frankly are irrelevant. If the results show a change is needed that's what will influence the decision-makers, not internet chatter, a lot of which turns out (and especially in this case) not to be true.
+1
"success would breed change"
Of course it would. But you need success first and without the money and the facilities you don't have the tools to get that success. It doesn't matter who the coach is. Once again, people think "Hey, get a new guy in there everything will change for better." If going from Davis to Bono and finding out the grass isn't always greener doesn't change this mindset, I don't know what will.
Put it this way, let's say the Askrens never existed and is there is no AWA. In the current landscape of college wrestling and the current status of the UW program, ask yourself how many of the top wrestlers really would have chosen Wisconsin, especially if another school (like Penn State) really wanted those kids to sign with them, hmm?
Three years ago the Badgers went 12-2 in dual meets, improved from 12th to 8th in the B1G meet, improved in the NCAA meet to 14th, had a B1G champ in Gomez and Freshman of the Year in Hamiti, things looked on the up and up after COVID. Something obviously happened to stop that progress. One can cite problems with the coaching staff or inside the wrestling room and whatnot, but the reality is it's the same problems that have plagued UW wrestling from time immemorial continue to happen to this program that have stunted its growth since its inception: injuries to key personnel and the lack of good depth to replace them, inability to consistently win close matches and inconsistent performances by the individual wrestlers out a program's history, then you've got to go a little deeper.
Interesting post for Gomez about an hours ago
https://twitter.com/agomez65mx/status/1781470841017889007
Quote from: wrestle03 on April 19, 2024, 04:41:45 PMThe results the past several years have already shown that a change needs to be made. The debacle of how things have been handled at the WRTC show that changes need to be made. No one is going to pony up their money and donate to a program / regime in Bono who has proven he cant / wont get the job done. Stop making excuses about the facilities and lack of money - success would breed change. People tend to shy away from supporting a losing program that is going no where.
Mark Mcquade - you support r Davis regardless of outcomes and yet rip Bono and team every post. My guess is you never met any of the staff, let alone someone like Amos. He's not coming back, why do you think he asked the coaches to be in his corner?
RTC - again you are clueless, someone posted RTC tax forms and the WI RTC ranks fairly well among other RTC's with a noticeable difference from PSU and Iowa.
Sorry bigoil, I'm not Mark McQuade. This is a Badger team next year that has a very good chance of getting shut out in mutltiple Big 10 duals. The cupboard is bare and you have yourself a very serious problem when not one blue chip in state recruit will give you the time of the day. The excuses that everyone continues to make in regards to Bono are comical. This guy is all talk and no results. Ive met the staff and Ive met multiple individuals on the team and was at several dual meets last year. Amos wont be back - he's likely done with collegiate wrestling with another tore up shoulder injury. His Greco aspirations are much more important than college wrestling. We've got TWO guys competing on the WRTC and when I say "debacle" I'm referring to the women's program being cut in the middle of the nights and absolutely NO communication regarding it. But I'm going to donate my money? Come on man. I'd rather throw it out the window while driving down the road. Too many of you are okay with accepting way less than mediocre results and making excuses for Bono. I could be completely wrong, but with the new programs joining the Big 10....and several of them not having wrestling but having baseball - wouldnt be surprised a bit if wrestling at some point is cut and baseball is added.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on April 19, 2024, 07:49:12 PMInteresting post for Gomez about an hours ago
https://twitter.com/agomez65mx/status/1781470841017889007
Interesting isn't the word I would say but very odd
Quote from: imwi on April 19, 2024, 09:35:06 PMQuote from: vsmf2010 on April 19, 2024, 07:49:12 PMInteresting post for Gomez about an hours ago
https://twitter.com/agomez65mx/status/1781470841017889007
Interesting isn't the word I would say but very odd
What's your word for that?
I can't find a better one.
Quote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 12:30:09 AMQuote from: imwi on April 19, 2024, 09:35:06 PMQuote from: vsmf2010 on April 19, 2024, 07:49:12 PMInteresting post for Gomez about an hours ago
https://twitter.com/agomez65mx/status/1781470841017889007
Interesting isn't the word I would say but very odd
What's your word for that?
I can't find a better one.
Preamble
Preamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
Quote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 20, 2024, 09:33:03 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
Exactly
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 20, 2024, 09:33:03 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
So you just can't take a guys word for it? Guess it doesn't fit your narrative, so he has to be sucking up. Do you know for a fact that he wants a coaching job with one of the current staff?
Quote from: wrestle03 on April 19, 2024, 08:57:56 PMSorry bigoil, I'm not Mark McQuade. This is a Badger team next year that has a very good chance of getting shut out in mutltiple Big 10 duals. The cupboard is bare and you have yourself a very serious problem when not one blue chip in state recruit will give you the time of the day. The excuses that everyone continues to make in regards to Bono are comical. This guy is all talk and no results. Ive met the staff and Ive met multiple individuals on the team and was at several dual meets last year. Amos wont be back - he's likely done with collegiate wrestling with another tore up shoulder injury. His Greco aspirations are much more important than college wrestling. We've got TWO guys competing on the WRTC and when I say "debacle" I'm referring to the women's program being cut in the middle of the nights and absolutely NO communication regarding it. But I'm going to donate my money? Come on man. I'd rather throw it out the window while driving down the road. Too many of you are okay with accepting way less than mediocre results and making excuses for Bono. I could be completely wrong, but with the new programs joining the Big 10....and several of them not having wrestling but having baseball - wouldnt be surprised a bit if wrestling at some point is cut and baseball is added.
Your take makes very little sense and is based on a lot of speculation. From Amos not coming back( can you quote him), to communication about the RTC(there has been communication that makes sense), to the team getting shut out next year(you don't even know the schedule), to dropping wrestling for baseball(UW doesn't even have a baseball facility, so if they won't upgrade the wrestling room why would they build a new baseball one)
These posts are so crazy and come off as bitter rants from a "Speculator". If I was that negative, I too would stop donating and should stop posting
Quote from: bigoil on April 19, 2024, 08:31:42 PMQuote from: wrestle03 on April 19, 2024, 04:41:45 PMThe results the past several years have already shown that a change needs to be made. The debacle of how things have been handled at the WRTC show that changes need to be made. No one is going to pony up their money and donate to a program / regime in Bono who has proven he cant / wont get the job done. Stop making excuses about the facilities and lack of money - success would breed change. People tend to shy away from supporting a losing program that is going no where.
Mark Mcquade - you support r Davis regardless of outcomes and yet rip Bono and team every post. My guess is you never met any of the staff, let alone someone like Amos. He's not coming back, why do you think he asked the coaches to be in his corner?
RTC - again you are clueless, someone posted RTC tax forms and the WI RTC ranks fairly well among other RTC's with a noticeable difference from PSU and Iowa.
No dog in this little forum fight you two have going on but I would say the FACT that the RTC actually has decent (better then the mean) funding with absolutely nothing to show for it and no insight/communication from the coaching staff for years shows to me a change is needed at the minimum for the RTC. All this whining about WI not financially supporting Bono, yet clearly we do. Like I stated before, Nebraska is funded just minially above WI RTC and look at where they are at Senior and collegiate level compared to UW.
Don't even get me started about Bono being one of the highest paid coaches in the college wrestling.
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 20, 2024, 09:33:03 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
But some of you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouths. In one breath you ask who would want to come to such a "dumpster fire" and in the next you suggest that a former wrestler who left is now trying to build a path back to said-dumpster fire.
Honestly I am fine with some of the posters not being happy with the current regime - I get it. But this blind support for that position and dismissive attitude when a former insider comes forward and states that the coaching staff was nothing but helpful and positive is simply irrational. Take it for what it is and move on.
I've heard Coach Bono speak often about the RTC and where said funds are going. There has been a shift from world athletes, travel and coaches to more of NIL, but I guess those of you so close to the program to know Amos is not coming back to Baseball must already know it, just ignorant to it.
Ask Braxton, ask his dad, you might find a different answer. Godspeed to healing.
With Amos I just wonder if he can get healthy and stay healthy especially if he goes up to hwy as those guys would put a lot of pressure on the shoulders.
Quote from: bigoil on April 20, 2024, 12:14:46 PMI've heard Coach Bono speak often about the RTC and where said funds are going. There has been a shift from world athletes, travel and coaches to more of NIL, but I guess those of you so close to the program to know Amos is not coming back to Baseball must already know it, just ignorant to it.
Ask Braxton, ask his dad, you might find a different answer. Godspeed to healing.
Nice that you hear Bono speak often. Are you on the board also? Then pl3ase reply the word that are spoken so more people can hear?
Quote from: hammer on April 20, 2024, 04:31:06 PMQuote from: bigoil on April 20, 2024, 12:14:46 PMI've heard Coach Bono speak often about the RTC and where said funds are going. There has been a shift from world athletes, travel and coaches to more of NIL, but I guess those of you so close to the program to know Amos is not coming back to Baseball must already know it, just ignorant to it.
Ask Braxton, ask his dad, you might find a different answer. Godspeed to healing.
Nice that you hear Bono speak often. Are you on the board also? Then pl3ase reply the word that are spoken so more people can hear?
Maybe one thing you and the numerous other people who claim about poor communication could do is attend one of the multiple fund raisers that the RTC holds every year
Quote from: npope on April 20, 2024, 11:22:51 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on April 20, 2024, 09:33:03 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
But some of you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouths. In one breath you ask who would want to come to such a "dumpster fire" and in the next you suggest that a former wrestler who left is now trying to build a path back to said-dumpster fire.
Honestly I am fine with some of the posters not being happy with the current regime - I get it. But this blind support for that position and dismissive attitude when a former insider comes forward and states that the coaching staff was nothing but helpful and positive is simply irrational. Take it for what it is and move on.
+1
Quote from: bigoil on April 20, 2024, 12:14:46 PMI've heard Coach Bono speak often about the RTC and where said funds are going. There has been a shift from world athletes, travel and coaches to more of NIL, but I guess those of you so close to the program to know Amos is not coming back to Baseball must already know it, just ignorant to it.
Ask Braxton, ask his dad, you might find a different answer. Godspeed to healing.
+1
Quote from: Healthy and happy on April 20, 2024, 06:37:18 PMQuote from: hammer on April 20, 2024, 04:31:06 PMQuote from: bigoil on April 20, 2024, 12:14:46 PMI've heard Coach Bono speak often about the RTC and where said funds are going. There has been a shift from world athletes, travel and coaches to more of NIL, but I guess those of you so close to the program to know Amos is not coming back to Baseball must already know it, just ignorant to it.
Ask Braxton, ask his dad, you might find a different answer. Godspeed to healing.
Nice that you hear Bono speak often. Are you on the board also? Then pl3ase reply the word that are spoken so more people can hear?
Maybe one thing you and the numerous other people who claim about poor communication could do is attend one of the multiple fund raisers that the RTC holds every year
+1
Quote from: walden_hiker on April 20, 2024, 07:01:40 PMQuote from: Healthy and happy on April 20, 2024, 06:37:18 PMQuote from: hammer on April 20, 2024, 04:31:06 PMQuote from: bigoil on April 20, 2024, 12:14:46 PMI've heard Coach Bono speak often about the RTC and where said funds are going. There has been a shift from world athletes, travel and coaches to more of NIL, but I guess those of you so close to the program to know Amos is not coming back to Baseball must already know it, just ignorant to it.
Ask Braxton, ask his dad, you might find a different answer. Godspeed to healing.
Nice that you hear Bono speak often. Are you on the board also? Then pl3ase reply the word that are spoken so more people can hear?
Maybe one thing you and the numerous other people who claim about poor communication could do is attend one of the multiple fund raisers that the RTC holds every year
+1
Heard the first time ;D That is true. I come to this forum to get news. Sorry I don't live in state any more. My fault on not being a faithful follower. Just asking to relay some messages in friendly way. I used to watch jump around and follow X, not hearing to much lately. I just asked to help out though it seems that wasn't pleasant enough and to get somewhat salty reply. Thank you and best wish to the Badger wrestling team!
To think that all of the people who could or would donate can or even want to travel multiple hours or fly in to fundraisers is hilarious to me.
If someone HAS to be there to get the information, that information is going to no one.
Quote from: hammer on April 20, 2024, 07:59:42 PMQuote from: walden_hiker on April 20, 2024, 07:01:40 PMQuote from: Healthy and happy on April 20, 2024, 06:37:18 PMQuote from: hammer on April 20, 2024, 04:31:06 PMQuote from: bigoil on April 20, 2024, 12:14:46 PMI've heard Coach Bono speak often about the RTC and where said funds are going. There has been a shift from world athletes, travel and coaches to more of NIL, but I guess those of you so close to the program to know Amos is not coming back to Baseball must already know it, just ignorant to it.
Ask Braxton, ask his dad, you might find a different answer. Godspeed to healing.
Nice that you hear Bono speak often. Are you on the board also? Then pl3ase reply the word that are spoken so more people can hear?
Maybe one thing you and the numerous other people who claim about poor communication could do is attend one of the multiple fund raisers that the RTC holds every year
+1
Heard the first time ;D That is true. I come to this forum to get news. Sorry I don't live in state any more. My fault on not being a faithful follower. Just asking to relay some messages in friendly way. I used to watch jump around and follow X, not hearing to much lately. I just asked to help out though it seems that wasn't pleasant enough and to get somewhat salty reply. Thank you and best wish to the Badger wrestling team!
Bro (or they/them), almost every single one of your hundreds of posts are about Badgers and mostly negative towards them.
Quote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 08:40:37 PMTo think that all of the people who could or would donate can or even want to travel multiple hours or fly in to fundraisers is hilarious to me.
If someone HAS to be there to get the information, that information is going to no one.
I get it, you are correct!! Traveling long distances is often not practical. Just realize that when you are far away from something and not physically present you will miss things that are being communicated. With that in mind, maybe it would be best for everyone in this situation to tone down the "No RTC communication" rhetoric. It is happening, it's just that you aren't in a position where you can consume it
You could be right but then you are only going to get support and money from those "in a position who can consume it".
I just look at results of those that should be or you wish were in the RTC or having those guys as practice partners to draw in top wrestlers. Neither of those has been a positive.
Heck right now this team should have a ton of scholarship money available and if they have any NIL money that should be available because right now they "might" have 2-3 NCAA qualifiers and maybe 1 top 15 wrestler.
Not going to be an easy year next year with lack of success while at the same time it might be the best year ever for Wisconsin born wrestlers wrestling at other schools
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 20, 2024, 09:33:03 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
If Bono is on the way out, or is persona non grata in the coaching world, his word will have very little or no sway on anyone. Gomez being a multiple time AA, finalist, possible Olympian is much more likely to land him a job as an assistant somewhere. More likely, he'll stay on at Michigan's RTC and train, which makes him a quasi assistant/practice partner anyway.
Of course it doesn't hurt to suck up to the right people.
Quote from: Ghetto on April 22, 2024, 10:24:41 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on April 20, 2024, 09:33:03 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
If Bono is on the way out, or is persona non grata in the coaching world, his word will have very little or no sway on anyone. Gomez being a multiple time AA, finalist, possible Olympian is much more likely to land him a job as an assistant somewhere. More likely, he'll stay on at Michigan's RTC and train, which makes him a quasi assistant/practice partner anyway.
Of course it doesn't hurt to suck up to the right people.
***he IS an Olympian.
Quote from: No One Cares on April 22, 2024, 10:54:23 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 22, 2024, 10:24:41 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on April 20, 2024, 09:33:03 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
If Bono is on the way out, or is persona non grata in the coaching world, his word will have very little or no sway on anyone. Gomez being a multiple time AA, finalist, possible Olympian is much more likely to land him a job as an assistant somewhere. More likely, he'll stay on at Michigan's RTC and train, which makes him a quasi assistant/practice partner anyway.
Of course it doesn't hurt to suck up to the right people.
***he IS an Olympian.
I wasn't sure if he qualified the weight. Thank you.
Quote from: Ghetto on April 22, 2024, 11:23:36 AMQuote from: No One Cares on April 22, 2024, 10:54:23 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 22, 2024, 10:24:41 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on April 20, 2024, 09:33:03 AMQuote from: Ghetto on April 20, 2024, 07:29:20 AMPreamble to what? Gomez has no reason to back Bono and the staff. I'm sure he sees that Bono eats 💩 on pretty much every forum of communication out there.
No reason? He might want to get a coaching job in the future if one opens up. A little sucking up never hurts.
If Bono is on the way out, or is persona non grata in the coaching world, his word will have very little or no sway on anyone. Gomez being a multiple time AA, finalist, possible Olympian is much more likely to land him a job as an assistant somewhere. More likely, he'll stay on at Michigan's RTC and train, which makes him a quasi assistant/practice partner anyway.
Of course it doesn't hurt to suck up to the right people.
***he IS an Olympian.
I wasn't sure if he qualified the weight. Thank you.
Became an Olympian by reaching the finals of the Pan Am Qualifier. Beat Munoz of Chile, Lee of the USA and McNeil of Canada.
Quote from: No One Cares on April 20, 2024, 09:55:55 PMQuote from: hammer on April 20, 2024, 07:59:42 PMQuote from: walden_hiker on April 20, 2024, 07:01:40 PMQuote from: Healthy and happy on April 20, 2024, 06:37:18 PMQuote from: hammer on April 20, 2024, 04:31:06 PMQuote from: bigoil on April 20, 2024, 12:14:46 PMI've heard Coach Bono speak often about the RTC and where said funds are going. There has been a shift from world athletes, travel and coaches to more of NIL, but I guess those of you so close to the program to know Amos is not coming back to Baseball must already know it, just ignorant to it.
Ask Braxton, ask his dad, you might find a different answer. Godspeed to healing.
Nice that you hear Bono speak often. Are you on the board also? Then pl3ase reply the word that are spoken so more people can hear?
Maybe one thing you and the numerous other people who claim about poor communication could do is attend one of the multiple fund raisers that the RTC holds every year
+1
Heard the first time ;D That is true. I come to this forum to get news. Sorry I don't live in state any more. My fault on not being a faithful follower. Just asking to relay some messages in friendly way. I used to watch jump around and follow X, not hearing to much lately. I just asked to help out though it seems that wasn't pleasant enough and to get somewhat salty reply. Thank you and best wish to the Badger wrestling team!
Bro (or they/them), almost every single one of your hundreds of posts are about Badgers and mostly negative towards them.
Sorry I don't speak the "Bro" language. Just being honest in my posts that the coaching staff needs to improve on some stuff. I wish the Badgers well but I would like them to be better, is that wrong?
Quote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2024, 08:38:46 PMQuote from: asdf on March 27, 2024, 08:34:26 PMQuote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2024, 06:14:15 PMHow about
Jake Varner PSU RTC coach
Kyle Ruschell college coach
The Badgers are going to hire a guy with a few years of college coaching under thier belt.
Also how many club coaches has gone from club to major college coaches? I am sure thier are a few but cannt be many. Look at the elite clubs and thier coaches have been thier for awhile, young guns, sebolt, pinnacle, izzy style.etc.....not sure as to you could.lure them away.from the clubs but maybe......
Didn't Poeta go from his club to Illinois head coach? Maybe had assistant coaching between his college career and opening his club? Illinois did not have a good year, but their 2 best wrestlers (Byrd and Braugnel) red-shirted, have some great young recruits/starters and 1 AA this year (Ruth).
Good call. Yes there are a few I am sure but I cannt say alot. Prove me wrong.
David Taylor to OK State enough to prove you wrong? Times are changing, UW isn't.
For those of you saying that you "need to have at least assistant coaching experience to head an NCAA program", Oklahoma State thinks you're wrong. Max Askren needs to take the Helm at WI. It's wrestling program depends on it.
Quote from: asdf on May 06, 2024, 10:35:00 PMQuote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2024, 08:38:46 PMQuote from: asdf on March 27, 2024, 08:34:26 PMQuote from: littleguy301 on March 27, 2024, 06:14:15 PMHow about
Jake Varner PSU RTC coach
Kyle Ruschell college coach
The Badgers are going to hire a guy with a few years of college coaching under thier belt.
Also how many club coaches has gone from club to major college coaches? I am sure thier are a few but cannt be many. Look at the elite clubs and thier coaches have been thier for awhile, young guns, sebolt, pinnacle, izzy style.etc.....not sure as to you could.lure them away.from the clubs but maybe......
Didn't Poeta go from his club to Illinois head coach? Maybe had assistant coaching between his college career and opening his club? Illinois did not have a good year, but their 2 best wrestlers (Byrd and Braugnel) red-shirted, have some great young recruits/starters and 1 AA this year (Ruth).
Good call. Yes there are a few I am sure but I cannt say alot. Prove me wrong.
David Taylor to OK State enough to prove you wrong? Times are changing, UW isn't.
I came on here. after eating some humble pie! I said there are a few and Taylor, Burroughs, Gilman, Dakr are a few others that I think could make that jump! Still competing at the senior level and are a huge draw. Both John Smith and Cael Sanderson made that jump and has done well.
At this point, I say what the heck and I would hope UW makes that jump! The mighty Badgers need to make a splash some where!
Humble pie isnt to bad it would be better if the Badgers were the team doing it!
Quote from: VQOriginal on May 07, 2024, 07:53:37 AMFor those of you saying that you "need to have at least assistant coaching experience to head an NCAA program", Oklahoma State thinks you're wrong. Max Askren needs to take the Helm at WI. It's wrestling program depends on it.
Max Askren takes the helm at Wisconsin in 2028. Sinclair and the Mirasolas transfer to Wisconsin for their senior seasons (5th year). Wisconsin wins national championships at 184, 197 and HWT at the 2029 National Championships. You heard it here first.
2028 Max Head Coach, Parker AHC, Mark Bader Marketing and Ben and John run the Wisconsin RTC out of Heartland???
Quote from: VQOriginal on May 07, 2024, 07:53:37 AMFor those of you saying that you "need to have at least assistant coaching experience to head an NCAA program", Oklahoma State thinks you're wrong. Max Askren needs to take the Helm at WI. It's wrestling program depends on it.
But is he the Head Coach or co Head Coach with Coleman Scott?
Quote from: VQOriginal on May 07, 2024, 07:53:37 AMFor those of you saying that you "need to have at least assistant coaching experience to head an NCAA program", Oklahoma State thinks you're wrong. Max Askren needs to take the Helm at WI. It's wrestling program depends on it.
I will say while you got me to a degree. DT has been wrestling and coaching for the past 8 plus years out of the nitty lions room. Look at the former and current guys that have talked about DT doing individual workouts, Dean, Kerk, AB and the list goes on. DT, Gilman have been on staff and drawing an income from the lions RTC. I personally think Varner will also be a big coaching hire real soon.
So with that said DT has had quite a bit of coaching experience. I also know the Askrens have had some good coaching experience. I think alot people including me look for past experience especially at a big ten school to be a head coach. All eyes on DT now. I wish him well and want to see him do well and maybe if it isn't to late, Wisconsin goes that route also.
Besides hiring DT, OSU is also building a new $40 million wrestling room/complex... that should help!
I remember reading something about wrestlers from the state might not have the grades to get into Wisconsin. Just going to leave this here. I'm pretty sure most of them have a 4.0, don't think grades are the issue.
Aeoden Sinclair Named Dave Schultz High School Excellence Award National Winner