I know it's a long shot but Ellsworth could very possibly have 5 state champs.. Of course Lantz and Frandsen, but also Kemmerer, Mueller, and Shutlz have a very good chance.. Just wondering if that has every been done before?
aren't you counting your chickens before they hatch?
Lancaster is in the running for this same accomplishment this year. Agree though leg turk, we havent even wrestled sectionals yet many things can happen in the state tournament series.
Didn't River Falls put six in the finals with five champs way back when?
Kevin and Tony Black, Brady and Joe Cudd and Phillip Meier....that's what I was thinking, Nat.
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
Quote from: coachn on February 17, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
Did Durand Brown take 3rd that year? Was he on the 1997 team?
Actually, FRG, I think Rapids had 7 in the finals that year with 2 champs....
Quote from: coachn on February 17, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
In the program I looked at, it listed as Josh Ernst beating Tony Black in the finals 3-2. Didn't see a 6th person in the finals for RF.
Quote from: futurerichguy on February 17, 2014, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: whatever on February 17, 2014, 02:12:39 PM
Actually, FRG, I think Rapids had 7 in the finals that year with 2 champs....
Nope, pretty sure it was 6. If you're looking at the WR web-site they have Lubeck listed twice, both as a champ and runner-up, so that's a typo.
No pretty sure it was 7! Go look again! Lubeck, both einersons, raflik, Peterson, cone, benitz
Yup ... it was 7
Didn't Casco have a bunch in the finals a couple years back? I think Nick Lyod and Cibula were two of the guys in that bunch. I could be wrong but I thought they at least put quite a few in the finals not too long ago.
Different state and certainly different circumstances but hasn't Apple Valley twice won 6 individual championships in one year?
Rapids team that year was stacked. Great Team!
With what goes on with Apple Valley isn't worth even mentioning them on this thread.
Quote from: Street Glide on February 17, 2014, 03:51:41 PM
With what goes on with Apple Valley isn't worth even mentioning them on this thread.
What goes on in Apple Valley?
I believe LC had 5 in finals in 06, 4 champions, and 6 in finals in 09, 3 champions.
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 17, 2014, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: coachn on February 17, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
Did Durand Brown take 3rd that year? Was he on the 1997 team?
Brown graduated in 96... state champ. Additional factioid... kept my brother in law in the 3rd place position with a last minute reversal in the 94 sectional wrestle back. (since you were talking about heart breaking endings for seniors earlier)
Just an FYI, Brandon, Fla. last week had 7 champs, 2 seconds, 1 third and 1 fifth.
Quote from: coachn on February 17, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
Not sure if I can come up with another finalist on that team - so maybe it was five in the finals and four champs. But Meier was the second placer of that bunch - not Tony Black (I am pretty sure). Tony did place second to Ernst as a sophomore, but then won the title the next two seasons - this group of guys must have been his junior year. Durand Brown won it in a different year.
Quote from: ThirdTimeACharm on February 17, 2014, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 17, 2014, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: coachn on February 17, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
Did Durand Brown take 3rd that year? Was he on the 1997 team?
Brown graduated in 96... state champ. Additional factioid... kept my brother in law in the 3rd place position with a last minute reversal in the 94 sectional wrestle back. (since you were talking about heart breaking endings for seniors earlier)
Ouch.... Did not mean to bring back that memory....was he your brother inlaw at that time or future Brother inlaw... ?? ;)
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 17, 2014, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: coachn on February 17, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
Did Durand Brown take 3rd that year? Was he on the 1997 team?
As I recall, Brown won it all in 1996.
Quote from: npope on February 17, 2014, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: coachn on February 17, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
Not sure if I can come up with another finalist on that team - so maybe it was five in the finals and four champs. But Meier was the second placer of that bunch - not Tony Black (I am pretty sure). Tony did place second to Ernst as a sophomore, but then won the title the next two seasons - this group of guys must have been his junior year. Durand Brown won it in a different year.
From the River Falls site
1997 Joe Cudd Junior 275 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Phil Meier Senior 152 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Landon Lueck Junior 135 lb 1st 2-2 ----
Brady Cudd Senior 130 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Kevin Black Junior 112 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Tony Black Sophomore 103 lb 2nd 3-1 2nd
Had to add these as well...:)
1972 Nat Pope Sophomore 119lb (2nd) 3-1 Open Class
1974 Nat Pope Senior 119lb (3rd) 4-1 Open Class
The year Mike Jenkins and Pauly Cudd basically switched spots they both took second in the sectional but went on to win state titles.
My bad Tony
1997 4 champs
brandon is a machine!
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 17, 2014, 09:08:13 PM
Quote from: ThirdTimeACharm on February 17, 2014, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 17, 2014, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: coachn on February 17, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
1997 River Falls
103 Tony Black
112 Kevin Black
130 Brady Cudd
152 Phil Meier
Hwt Joe Cudd
Npope who was the 6th in finals?
Had a great team that year. Lost to Rapids in Team Tournament
Did Durand Brown take 3rd that year? Was he on the 1997 team?
Brown graduated in 96... state champ. Additional factioid... kept my brother in law in the 3rd place position with a last minute reversal in the 94 sectional wrestle back. (since you were talking about heart breaking endings for seniors earlier)
Ouch.... Did not mean to bring back that memory....was he your brother inlaw at that time or future Brother inlaw... ?? ;)
Married 21 years buddy... I'll let you do the math ;-)
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 17, 2014, 10:47:45 PM
From the River Falls site
1997 Joe Cudd Junior 275 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Phil Meier Senior 152 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Landon Lueck Junior 135 lb 1st 2-2 ----
Brady Cudd Senior 130 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Kevin Black Junior 112 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Tony Black Sophomore 103 lb 2nd 3-1 2nd
Had to add these as well...:)
1972 Nat Pope Sophomore 119lb (2nd) 3-1 Open Class
1974 Nat Pope Senior 119lb (3rd) 4-1 Open Class
The year Mike Jenkins and Pauly Cudd basically switched spots they both took second in the sectional but went on to win state titles.
Thanks for the clarification - I'm getting old and forgetful...and too lazy to actually look it up ;)
The Jenkins-Cudd switch at regionals is a story many may not know and was pretty incredible. As a senior Cudd was returning from a previous trip to state as a junior (185 pounds), but he hurt himself in football and was out for his senior wrestling season until two weeks before conference. The RF coach (Amdahl, who was in his first year as a head coach and who had just come over from Ellsworth where he was an assistant) convinced Jenkins to come out for the team - previously he had played basketball. Jenkins had a pretty good year (but nothing incredible that might suggest what was to happen by season's end) wrestling at both 185 and heavyweight, but was limited in his skill set given his late start in the sport. When Cudd came back there was a wrestle-off (that was won by Cudd, 1-0 if memory serves me right). But Amdahl decided to wrestle Cudd at heavyweight and put Jenkins at 185. Neither was able to win the conference meet at those weights. Given those results, the coach thought better about the situation and switched them for regionals. While neither guy was able to win their respective sectional title, they both caught fire at state and ended up being champs - Jenkins doing it with an arsenal of about three moves (but he was sure good at them).
Quote from: npope on February 18, 2014, 10:08:34 AM
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 17, 2014, 10:47:45 PM
From the River Falls site
1997 Joe Cudd Junior 275 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Phil Meier Senior 152 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Landon Lueck Junior 135 lb 1st 2-2 ----
Brady Cudd Senior 130 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Kevin Black Junior 112 lb 1st 4-0 Champion
Tony Black Sophomore 103 lb 2nd 3-1 2nd
Had to add these as well...:)
1972 Nat Pope Sophomore 119lb (2nd) 3-1 Open Class
1974 Nat Pope Senior 119lb (3rd) 4-1 Open Class
The year Mike Jenkins and Pauly Cudd basically switched spots they both took second in the sectional but went on to win state titles.
Thanks for the clarification - I'm getting old and forgetful...and too lazy to actually look it up ;)
The Jenkins-Cudd switch at regionals is a story many may not know and was pretty incredible. As a senior Cudd was returning from a previous trip to state as a junior (185 pounds), but he hurt himself in football and was out for his senior wrestling season until two weeks before conference. The RF coach (Amdahl, who was in his first year as a head coach and who had just come over from Ellsworth where he was an assistant) convinced Jenkins to come out for the team - previously he had played basketball. Jenkins had a pretty good year (but nothing incredible that might suggest what was to happen by season's end) wrestling at both 185 and heavyweight, but was limited in his skill set given his late start in the sport. When Cudd came back there was a wrestle-off (that was won by Cudd, 1-0 if memory serves me right). But Amdahl decided to wrestle Cudd at heavyweight and put Jenkins at 185. Neither was able to win the conference meet at those weights. Given those results, the coach thought better about the situation and switched them for regionals. While neither guy was able to win their respective sectional title, they both caught fire at state and ended up being champs - Jenkins doing it with an arsenal of about three moves (but he was sure good at them).
That is a good story and people should use it as an example of what can happen. Pretty cool... I think Cudd broke hurt is leg playing Hudson. Nat, one more question, there was a Gee Pope that qualified for state in 71, was he related? And either Cudd or Jenkins was very good at the ankle pick
Quote from: mevsyou on February 17, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
Rapids team that year was stacked. Great Team!
No doubt!
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 18, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
That is a good story and people should use it as an example of what can happen. Pretty cool... I think Cudd broke hurt is leg playing Hudson. Nat, one more question, there was a Gee Pope that qualified for state in 71, was he related? And either Cudd or Jenkins was very good at the ankle pick
Yes, Gee is my older brother - ended up being a two-time AA for UW-River Falls. He was the head coach at Stevens Point for a number of years. And yes, both Cudd and Jenkins simply loved to ankle pick the big boys - they would go down with a thud when they hit the move. Ride, I didn't know you were old enough to have seen them in action (and remember it). You've been around a long time ;)
Quote from: npope on February 18, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 18, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
That is a good story and people should use it as an example of what can happen. Pretty cool... I think Cudd broke hurt is leg playing Hudson. Nat, one more question, there was a Gee Pope that qualified for state in 71, was he related? And either Cudd or Jenkins was very good at the ankle pick
Yes, Gee is my older brother - ended up being a two-time AA for UW-River Falls. He was the head coach at Stevens Point for a number of years. And yes, both Cudd and Jenkins simply loved to ankle pick the big boys - they would go down with a thud when they hit the move. Ride, I didn't know you were old enough to have seen them in action (and remember it). You've been around a long time ;)
Not that long... graduated in 79. Probably around 10 or 11 when all of you were wrestling. But I listened to a lot of stories. And I have talked with guys from Hudson that you would beat up on. :) Also, a kid named John Netwall married my cousin and he said he weighed about 165 and wrestled heavy weight a few matches at UWRF when you were there.. small world eh
1997 River Falls
103-Tony Black 2nd
112-Kevin Black 1st
130-Brady Cudd 1st
135-Landon Lueck Dnp
!52-Phil Meier 1st
275-Joe Cudd 1st
2005 Luxemburg Casco
103-Adam Zhern DNP
112-Brian Barbeaux 1st
119-Eric Metzler 1st
130-Zac Cibula 1st
135-Eric Enderby 1st
140-Zac Enderby 4th
145-Brad Zeiiner 5th
160 Dennis Reckleburg 3rd
171 Brett Arendt 4th
189 Jon Treml 2nd
275 Alex Cornette 5th
I believe this is the best performance ever by one team in the individual state tournament.
Last Ride I believe too in 96 Durand lost to Duffy of Hudson in the finals at conference and was not a conf champ that year I may be wrong but I believe it was conference were his only loss came before winning a state title, I say before because I believe he lost a close match in the team state finals with the Rapids kid who had placed 3rd individually. Hopefully I got that right he's my nephew and that's how I remember It, some great R.F. teams in the 1990's though. L.C in 2005 was one of the best along with Athens in the earl 90's....
Quote from: npope on February 18, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 18, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
That is a good story and people should use it as an example of what can happen. Pretty cool... I think Cudd broke hurt is leg playing Hudson. Nat, one more question, there was a Gee Pope that qualified for state in 71, was he related? And either Cudd or Jenkins was very good at the ankle pick
Yes, Gee is my older brother - ended up being a two-time AA for UW-River Falls. He was the head coach at Stevens Point for a number of years. And yes, both Cudd and Jenkins simply loved to ankle pick the big boys - they would go down with a thud when they hit the move. Ride, I didn't know you were old enough to have seen them in action (and remember it). You've been around a long time ;)
I will ask Mike the next time I see him about the thud.
by the way pope, I was still in diapers but I know someone that has explained those stories to me very well ;) You may know him well also.
Quote from: littleguy301 on February 19, 2014, 01:11:05 AM
I will ask Mike the next time I see him about the thud.
by the way pope, I was still in diapers but I know someone that has explained those stories to me very well ;) You may know him well also.
Ask him about Laska from Sparta. Jenkins was a 200 pound heavyweight and Laska was probably much closer to 300 pounds (no weight limit in those days) - he was a behemoth and towered over Jenkins in the state semi-finals. If memory serves me correct, Jenkins put hit to his back with an ankle pick and stuck him. Looked like something out of David and Goliath.
As for the diapers LG, don't worry, you'll be back in them soon enough, just give it a little more time ;)
Quote from: npope on February 19, 2014, 05:34:45 AM
Quote from: littleguy301 on February 19, 2014, 01:11:05 AM
I will ask Mike the next time I see him about the thud.
by the way pope, I was still in diapers but I know someone that has explained those stories to me very well ;) You may know him well also.
Ask him about Laska from Sparta. Jenkins was a 200 pound heavyweight and Laska was probably much closer to 300 pounds (no weight limit in those days) - he was a behemoth and towered over Jenkins in the state semi-finals. If memory serves me correct, Jenkins put hit to his back with an ankle pick and stuck him. Looked like something out of David and Goliath.
As for the diapers LG, don't worry, you'll be back in them soon enough, just give it a little more time ;)
Alright now smart ash ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: thequad on February 18, 2014, 06:32:33 PM
2005 Luxemburg Casco
103-Adam Zhern DNP
112-Brian Barbeaux 1st
119-Eric Metzler 1st
130-Zac Cibula 1st
135-Eric Enderby 1st
140-Zac Enderby 4th
145-Brad Zeiiner 5th
160 Dennis Reckleburg 3rd
171 Brett Arendt 4th
189 Jon Treml 2nd
275 Alex Cornette 5th
I believe this is the best performance ever by one team in the individual state tournament.
Did they let that 103 pounder even ride the bus home from the state meet :D Just kidding, that is amazing to say the least!
Quad, I have a question, wasnt there a back up 103 pounder at one time make it to state at an upper weight and was the 189 pounder that guy?
LG, Yes Jon Treml was a backup at 103 as a fr. He lost in OT as a sr at 189.
Possible mag pie there waterboy, we'll see...
what goes on in apple valley? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: thequad on February 19, 2014, 02:58:43 PM
LG, Yes Jon Treml was a backup at 103 as a fr. He lost in OT as a sr at 189.
That is one HUGE weight jump during high school!!!!!!!!! One of the biggest I know of!
I thought Josh Chelf going from 112 to 171 and making state all 4 years was a big jump (plus he wrestled at 215 for conference) that was big but to jump from one lower to one higher was pretty big.
Early 90s. Athens team. They must have had 4 or 5 champs in one year and a couple place finishers. If I can remember. Underwood, Brunke, Zinkovich sp, Ange.. I thought I remember them having like 6 or 7 in the finals. 92' or 93'
I remember Zinkowhich vs Leo Geotte from Minong 92' State Finals.I'll never forget that war!
Quote from: scrub4life1234 on February 19, 2014, 05:57:42 PM
what goes on in apple valley? ??? ??? ???
Lets just say "Recrution is the Solution"
Athens state place winners
92
3 1st
2 2nd
1 3rd
93
3 1st
2 3rd
3 5th
94
3 1st
2 2nd
1 3rd
Athens champs
91- 3
119-Zinkovich, 125-Marohl, 145-Diethelm
92- 3
103- Underwood, 125-Brunke, 145-Dehlinger
93- 4
112-Underwood, 135-Brunke, 140-Zinkovich, 160-Ange
94- 4
119-Underwood, 145-Brunke, 152-Zinkovich, 189-Ange
95- 3
125-Underwood, 130-Natzke, 189-Ange
Quote from: Dale on February 21, 2014, 09:09:58 AM
Athens champs
91- 3
119-Zinkovich, 125-Marohl, 145-Diethelm
92- 3
103- Underwood, 125-Brunke, 145-Dehlinger
93- 4
112-Underwood, 135-Brunke, 140-Zinkovich, 160-Ange
94- 4
119-Underwood, 145-Brunke, 152-Zinkovich, 189-Ange
95- 3
125-Underwood, 130-Natzke, 189-Ange
ahhhh..... That is a pretty good run! :)
What was the Buddha doing right? Must have been everything, including finding great kids.
Quote from: Dale on February 21, 2014, 09:09:58 AM
Athens champs
91- 3
119-Zinkovich, 125-Marohl, 145-Diethelm
92- 3
103- Underwood, 125-Brunke, 145-Dehlinger
93- 4
112-Underwood, 135-Brunke, 140-Zinkovich, 160-Ange
94- 4
119-Underwood, 145-Brunke, 152-Zinkovich, 189-Ange
95- 3
125-Underwood, 130-Natzke, 189-Ange
Quote from: shoes on February 20, 2014, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: scrub4life1234 on February 19, 2014, 05:57:42 PM
what goes on in apple valley? ??? ??? ???
Lets just say "Recrution is the Solution"
Check this out
http://www.startribune.com/sports/245477271.html
Sounds like a lot more going on behind the scenes than we could ascertain via that article. It does appear that the parents of these kids are making the decision to move to wherever they want their kids to go to school. That's why they came to Apple Valley and that's why they left. If your program has such a high national reputation, you don't need to recruit...
Hill-Murry hockey has been doing it for years ... How about kids showing up here in Rapids? ... what's wrong with families moving to an area where their kids have the best opportunity?
There's nothing wrong with a parent taking their kid to a school to give them the best chance, but then there is nothing wrong with pointing out that some of the kids winning titles for that school came there just for the wrestling. Every year we compare how many make it to state, place, and win championships from a single school. When a school gets to the point where Rapids was you are going to have people question how many were born there. (Even if most of the kids on the team were.)
I think part of the issue is that if a parent is willing to move their kid for the "best opportunities" then maybe they should be basing that decision on something more important than sports (like an education). And while parents certainly have their right to raise their kids any way they feel is proper, that doesn't prevent others from having opinions about the values being exemplified and extolled by those choices, e.g., sports are more important than academics.
Additionally, there is the issue of magnet schools in sports creating an unfair "playing field." Some schools end up with an excess of talent (for whatever reason) and thus, possess an unfair advantage in competition. I am not judging the efforts or success of a coach or his program - success is a fine goal. My point is that the influx of significant athletic talent from other school districts (or even states in the case of Apple Valley) creates competitive imbalances and arguably elevates sports participation to something beyond that which has been envisioned by sporting associations (such as the WIAA) that have rules that seek to inhibit those outcomes.
Blair Academy?
Quote from: Big House on March 04, 2014, 10:29:47 AM
Hill-Murry hockey has been doing it for years ... How about kids showing up here in Rapids? ... what's wrong with families moving to an area where their kids have the best opportunity?
I think you left out the fact that is cost 15K a year to go to Hill Murray plus your cost in transportation.
Quote from: Big House on March 04, 2014, 12:05:43 PM
Blair Academy?
Blair Academy is a Prep School. That is why the WIAA had a bird when they wrestled in the Cheesehead, because they are not affiliated with New Jersey High school athletic association.