D2 #3 Baldwin beats D2 #1 Amery 33-31

[panther93]

I think the biggest problem is taking the winner of a individual tournament and making them the dual regional champ.  There is a lot that goes into a dual meet that can't take place in an individual tournament.  The ability to move and depth of a team are not part of the regional tournament. 

We need to correct this, but most have been saying this since the beginning of team state in the 90's and nothing has changed.  Minnesota does it right.  Wrestle duals to advance to team state!

We also need super regionals, but that is a different topic.

[Wis-Mallard]

I still don't like that a flip of a disc can determine the outcome of a dual meet. A small tournament is an excellent way to determine the better team. Perhaps not always best "dual team". The best team in the state should be able to win a 6-8 team individual tournament. I don't favor more duals during the individual tournament series timeframe.

[Houndhead]

I still don't like that a flip of a disc can determine the outcome of a dual meet. A small tournament is an excellent way to determine the better team. Perhaps not always best "dual team". The best team in the state should be able to win a 6-8 team individual tournament. I don't favor more duals during the individual tournament series timeframe.

So if Amery beats B/W in a regional tournament, that makes them a better dual team than B/W?

[Kwishoff]

With those lineups, you could probably flip a coin for the winner.  A dual format would be more exciting and more strategy in my opinion.   Baldwin had a great strategy in that dual in my opinion.

[littleguy301]

With those lineups, you could probably flip a coin for the winner.  A dual format would be more exciting and more strategy in my opinion.   Baldwin had a great strategy in that dual in my opinion.

With those lineups a coin flip could be the factor.

Also I will add that neither Amery or BW has fielded there full line ups due to injuries and other issues. BW  has alot of depth in the room to help out.

I am notnsure of the strategy BW did but I will go with it

[Wis-Mallard]

I still don't like that a flip of a disc can determine the outcome of a dual meet. A small tournament is an excellent way to determine the better team. Perhaps not always best "dual team". The best team in the state should be able to win a 6-8 team individual tournament. I don't favor more duals during the individual tournament series timeframe.

So if Amery beats B/W in a regional tournament, that makes them a better dual team than B/W?

I will cheer on the team that wins the regional tournament. Both are good dual teams. Hopefully all the teams at the regional have all their kids healthy. All the teams know the format to qualify for team state and will give everything they have to win the regional tournament.

[harley25]

I still don't like that a flip of a disc can determine the outcome of a dual meet. A small tournament is an excellent way to determine the better team. Perhaps not always best "dual team". The best team in the state should be able to win a 6-8 team individual tournament. I don't favor more duals during the individual tournament series timeframe.

So if Amery beats B/W in a regional tournament, that makes them a better dual team than B/W?

No!!!! but I guess according to the all mighty WIAA yes, sad but its the way they have it set up

[MNbadger]

I know for some of you it is off-putting to consider mimicking what we do in Minnesota but here it is one more time.
3 Divisions
8 Sections for each division
Weekend I
Team Sections (some of our sections do Wednesday pigtail, then F-S, some years we did just Saturday)
This gives you 8 teams at the state tournament

Weekend II
Individual Sections (some do F-S some have done Saturday)
Top two per weight advance, giving you 16 man brackets at state


Weekend III
State Tournament Team and individual

If you want to see the schedule, go to mshsl.org

This has worked great for many years.

I think you have 334 schools with wrestling.
Divide that by three and you have 111 per division.
111 divided by eight sections and you have 14 team sections roughly.
This would allow you to follow the above schedule/format.
Nothing will fix the "issue" of quality kids being left home.

I think the biggest problem is taking the winner of a individual tournament and making them the dual regional champ.  There is a lot that goes into a dual meet that can't take place in an individual tournament.  The ability to move and depth of a team are not part of the regional tournament. 

We need to correct this, but most have been saying this since the beginning of team state in the 90's and nothing has changed.  Minnesota does it right.  Wrestle duals to advance to team state!

We also need super regionals, but that is a different topic.

[Wis-Mallard]

It is possible that Amery wins head to head matches with Baldwin they lost at the dual. 106, 138 and 195 will be big matches again.

[drbrad]

Congrats to B/W.  The bad part is that a individual regional while decide who represents this regional in the team sectional.

WIAA is still in the dark ages on some aspects, unfortunately.

yes this is the situation it just shifted to the different sides of the state.

Would argue it's been an issue in all areas of the state the whole time. That certain NE D2 regional is just a prime example of WIAA not listening.

True, but Burke 106 would have wrestled injured if the dual determined team state series advancement. Only 4 losses against WI kids (current ranks: #2 D1, #5 D1, #3 D2 & #3 D3). He will be back for regionals.

[Headlock$$]

Great Region competition.  Number 1 and 2 in the same Region.  It was worth every penny.  BW had the early lead and Amery came from behind to win with the upper weights!  Hats off to these two programs!!!

[littleguy301]

It was fun. Bw won those big pivot match at 138 and 145 by pin and 195 by decision. Burke made a difference in his major over bw.

Both teams had 5 champs. Bw with 9 sectionals kids and amery with 8. Bw placing ahead at 8 weights and winning 5 to 2 in head to head but Amery gets the regional title. All comes down to bonus points and Amery won that battle for sure!

2 years ago the regional title came down to the last match, bw by less than 2 points, last year last match and less than 2 points with Amery getting the win. This year a heated match up and hopefully next year bw can pull it out 

[Jbsi]

Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9).  Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis.  Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?

[shouldvewrestled]

Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9).  Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis.  Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?

Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.

[Houndhead]

Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9).  Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis.  Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?

Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.

We will never know who would have won in a rematch of a dual. Congrats to Amery for winning the regional.