Hudson clinched a share of the title last night.
Eau Claire North still has a chance to claim a share with a win next week at home against River Falls and a Hudson loss against Chippewa Falls at Hudson.
Congrats to Hudson for their 3rd straight title and their 11th in the past 15 years. In the 4 years that Hudson was not champs, they placed 2nd!.
No love or discussion in this one. A forgone conclusion I suppose. Congrats!
Congrats to Hudson!
They must be doing something right (very consistently) in Hudson. Congrats and good luck!
Quote from: imnofish on January 28, 2017, 09:31:35 PM
They must be doing something right (very consistently) in Hudson. Congrats and good luck!
Once Massie graduated, it just left a vacuum with nothing further to talk about. We could talk about his Dad and Chetek's glory years, but that would be the HON thread.
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 28, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: imnofish on January 28, 2017, 09:31:35 PM
They must be doing something right (very consistently) in Hudson. Congrats and good luck!
Once Massie graduated, it just left a vacuum with nothing further to talk about. We could talk about his Dad and Chetek's glory years, but that would be the HON thread.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Trying to stir something, or just reliving your childhood dream of becoming a plumber? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: imnofish on January 29, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 28, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: imnofish on January 28, 2017, 09:31:35 PM
They must be doing something right (very consistently) in Hudson. Congrats and good luck!
Once Massie graduated, it just left a vacuum with nothing further to talk about. We could talk about his Dad and Chetek's glory years, but that would be the HON thread.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Trying to stir something, or just reliving your childhood dream of becoming a plumber? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Probably a little of both ;)
But coach - notice the cause and effect - no Massie the BRC thread turns to crickets! ;D
It's not like the BRC doesn't still have it's star power....
Even a Badger conference fan can see the conference has some of the top talent.
Take Hudson - quietly floating through the year, but not unnoticed by me, they are loaded with talent - two Anderson's, two Fanning's, Godbout (By the way coach do you know that is Dave Godbout's from Barron - son), Schindler, Busby is having a nice year, Hatch is having a good year. This past weekend they didn't score less than 63 points in a dual.
Menomonie's Sam S"Killings" is having a nice freshman year in the upper weights - man I'm going to love misusing that name in the years to come.
EC North you have of course Phillips and Carruth, also little Duerkop ............
Riverfalls - any team coached by Black is going to be fun to watch, there you got Fuller, Williamson,
Memorial you got Smith
Ricelake you got Schmidt
I'm sure I missed a team or some talent, but there something to start some talk and for you guys to chew on. :)
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 30, 2017, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: imnofish on January 29, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 28, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: imnofish on January 28, 2017, 09:31:35 PM
They must be doing something right (very consistently) in Hudson. Congrats and good luck!
Once Massie graduated, it just left a vacuum with nothing further to talk about. We could talk about his Dad and Chetek's glory years, but that would be the HON thread.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Trying to stir something, or just reliving your childhood dream of becoming a plumber? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Probably a little of both ;)
But coach - notice the cause and effect - no Massie the BRC thread turns to crickets! ;D
It's not like the BRC doesn't still have it's star power....
Even a Badger conference fan can see the conference has some of the top talent.
Take Hudson - quietly floating through the year, but not unnoticed by me, they are loaded with talent - two Anderson's, two Fanning's, Godbout (By the way coach do you know that is Dave Godbout's from Barron - son), Schindler, Busby is having a nice year, Hatch is having a good year. This past weekend they didn't score less than 63 points in a dual.
Menomonie's Sam S"Killings" is having a nice freshman year in the upper weights - man I'm going to love misusing that name in the years to come.
EC North you have of course Phillips and Carruth, also little Duerkop ............
Riverfalls - any team coached by Black is going to be fun to watch, there you got Fuller, Williamson,
Memorial you got Smith
Ricelake you got Schmidt
I'm sure I missed a team or some talent, but there something to start some talk and for you guys to chew on. :)
I agree the BRC has a number of very talented kids but the conference as a whole is painfully down. In all the years of following the BRC, I am not sure I have witnessed a lower level of competition.
For instance, Hudson crushed everyone in conference duals this season but yet they lost 3 of 4 duals at their own event. The three teams they lost to were very solid teams and the team they beat frankly didn't belong in the same gym. That said, Hudson has a quality team but not nearly as strong as they have been in the past few years. Yes, they did score at least 63 points Friday but in two of the duals they received 9 forfits each. I'm not sure that is a great measuring stick....
No disrespect to the Hudson program as all good programs go through cycles like this eventually. I am a Hudson fan to the bone but IMHO they will need to rise up (and maybe bring along some "smoke and mirrors") if they plan on winning when they face the east regional champ in the sectional final. Good luck boys, I'll be cheering for you!
Here's hoping the BRC returns to a more competitive state......
Paul H - when did you become such a Hudson hater.... ;)
Yes - Hudson isn't as solid as a year ago, but they still have a pretty good dual team, as you know duals are all about match-ups and some of their loses were just that, not ideal match-ups (very strong lower weights).
I personally see Hudson getting to Team State and facing Kaukana again. Crazy part is they match-up against Kaukana fairly well, they would have to have everything go right - specifically wins at 195, 220, HWT, but if that were to happen Hudson would be right in that dual.
As for Team sectionals - I don't see a problem for them with SP if that is the team, though I think it will be Marshfield coming out. Either team though, I see Hudson winning the team sectional. You may say that SP has strong lower weights, which they do - in spades, but from 138 on up it's a screen door on a sub.
Here is just a quick ballpark back of the napkin guess on both duals.
106 H0-SP3
113 H0-SP9
120 H0-SP15
126 H0-SP18
132 H3-SP18
138 H7-SP18
145 H13-SP18
152 H19-SP18
160 H22-SP18
170 H22-SP21
182 H25-SP21
195 H28-SP21
220 H34-SP21
285 H40-SP21
106 H3-MAR0
113 H3-MAR4
120 H3-MAR8
126 H9-MAR8
132 H12-MAR8
138 H12-MAR11
145 H12-MAR14
152 H18-MAR14
160 H18-MAR20
170 H21-MAR26
182 H24-MAR26
195 H24-MAR29
220 H30-MAR29
285 H36-MAR29
Relax EG,
No hate here at all. You may have missed the statement that I am a "Hudson fan to the bone"?
Just a realist and trying to paint a picture based on the reality of what I have seen. My comments were more about how the level of competition in the BRC is leaving a lot more to be desired. I miss the close battles we have had with some of the other BRC schools.
I agree that Hudson has a shot at making Team State but I believe some things will need to go their way for this to happen. I hope they do it and will be cheering for them as they try.
Anything close and I give the edge to Hudson coaches.. Hudson's first trip to team state in 2011 with a 36-33 win over 3rd ranked WW was a thing of beauty. Hudson may have been ranked HM that year. They had every kid on that team believe they were going to win and got the matchups to pull it off.. Down 30-12 and came back to win 36-33..
Paul - Relax? I know your a Hudson fan - I was joking with you, geesh.. Thus the ;) at the end of my line.
I know sarcasm doesn't come across sometimes online, but geesh
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 01, 2017, 05:54:04 PM
Anything close and I give the edge to Hudson coaches.. Hudson's first trip to team state in 2011 with a 36-33 win over 3rd ranked WW was a thing of beauty. Hudson may have been ranked HM that year. They had every kid on that team believe they were going to win and got the matchups to pull it off.. Down 30-12 and came back to win 36-33..
+1
Quote from: ElectricGuy on February 01, 2017, 07:56:39 PM
Paul - Relax? I know your a Hudson fan - I was joking with you, geesh.. Thus the ;) at the end of my line.
I know sarcasm doesn't come across sometimes online, but geesh
No worries, just don't want any assumptions that I am hating on anyone or any program.
Good Luck Raider Wrestlers!
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 30, 2017, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: imnofish on January 29, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 28, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: imnofish on January 28, 2017, 09:31:35 PM
They must be doing something right (very consistently) in Hudson. Congrats and good luck!
Once Massie graduated, it just left a vacuum with nothing further to talk about. We could talk about his Dad and Chetek's glory years, but that would be the HON thread.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Trying to stir something, or just reliving your childhood dream of becoming a plumber? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Probably a little of both ;)
But coach - notice the cause and effect - no Massie the BRC thread turns to crickets! ;D
It's not like the BRC doesn't still have it's star power....
Even a Badger conference fan can see the conference has some of the top talent.
Take Hudson - quietly floating through the year, but not unnoticed by me, they are loaded with talent - two Anderson's, two Fanning's, Godbout (By the way coach do you know that is Dave Godbout's from Barron - son), Schindler, Busby is having a nice year, Hatch is having a good year. This past weekend they didn't score less than 63 points in a dual.
Menomonie's Sam S"Killings" is having a nice freshman year in the upper weights - man I'm going to love misusing that name in the years to come.
EC North you have of course Phillips and Carruth, also little Duerkop ............
Riverfalls - any team coached by Black is going to be fun to watch, there you got Fuller, Williamson,
Memorial you got Smith
Ricelake you got Schmidt
I'm sure I missed a team or some talent, but there something to start some talk and for you guys to chew on. :)
When I saw the name Godbout, I did wonder if that might be Dave's boy. Cool!
Quote from: imnofish on February 02, 2017, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 30, 2017, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: imnofish on January 29, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 28, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: imnofish on January 28, 2017, 09:31:35 PM
They must be doing something right (very consistently) in Hudson. Congrats and good luck!
Once Massie graduated, it just left a vacuum with nothing further to talk about. We could talk about his Dad and Chetek's glory years, but that would be the HON thread.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Trying to stir something, or just reliving your childhood dream of becoming a plumber? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Probably a little of both ;)
But coach - notice the cause and effect - no Massie the BRC thread turns to crickets! ;D
It's not like the BRC doesn't still have it's star power....
Even a Badger conference fan can see the conference has some of the top talent.
Take Hudson - quietly floating through the year, but not unnoticed by me, they are loaded with talent - two Anderson's, two Fanning's, Godbout (By the way coach do you know that is Dave Godbout's from Barron - son), Schindler, Busby is having a nice year, Hatch is having a good year. This past weekend they didn't score less than 63 points in a dual.
Menomonie's Sam S"Killings" is having a nice freshman year in the upper weights - man I'm going to love misusing that name in the years to come.
EC North you have of course Phillips and Carruth, also little Duerkop ............
Riverfalls - any team coached by Black is going to be fun to watch, there you got Fuller, Williamson,
Memorial you got Smith
Ricelake you got Schmidt
I'm sure I missed a team or some talent, but there something to start some talk and for you guys to chew on. :)
When I saw the name Godbout, I did wonder if that might be Dave's boy. Cool!
Fish,
Gobout is a very good football player and has many D1 schools recruiting him. He has really got big over just the last year. And he has improved a lot from last year to this year on the Wrestling mat. He won't be at 220 next year.
Quote from: The Last Ride on February 02, 2017, 12:09:40 PM
Quote from: imnofish on February 02, 2017, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 30, 2017, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: imnofish on January 29, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: ElectricGuy on January 28, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: imnofish on January 28, 2017, 09:31:35 PM
They must be doing something right (very consistently) in Hudson. Congrats and good luck!
Once Massie graduated, it just left a vacuum with nothing further to talk about. We could talk about his Dad and Chetek's glory years, but that would be the HON thread.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Trying to stir something, or just reliving your childhood dream of becoming a plumber? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Probably a little of both ;)
But coach - notice the cause and effect - no Massie the BRC thread turns to crickets! ;D
It's not like the BRC doesn't still have it's star power....
Even a Badger conference fan can see the conference has some of the top talent.
Take Hudson - quietly floating through the year, but not unnoticed by me, they are loaded with talent - two Anderson's, two Fanning's, Godbout (By the way coach do you know that is Dave Godbout's from Barron - son), Schindler, Busby is having a nice year, Hatch is having a good year. This past weekend they didn't score less than 63 points in a dual.
Menomonie's Sam S"Killings" is having a nice freshman year in the upper weights - man I'm going to love misusing that name in the years to come.
EC North you have of course Phillips and Carruth, also little Duerkop ............
Riverfalls - any team coached by Black is going to be fun to watch, there you got Fuller, Williamson,
Memorial you got Smith
Ricelake you got Schmidt
I'm sure I missed a team or some talent, but there something to start some talk and for you guys to chew on. :)
When I saw the name Godbout, I did wonder if that might be Dave's boy. Cool!
Fish,
Gobout is a very good football player and has many D1 schools recruiting him. He has really got big over just the last year. And he has improved a lot from last year to this year on the Wrestling mat. He won't be at 220 next year.
I have heard he's a great athlete. I coached his father in football, many years ago. No disrespect to Dave (who had good athleticism), but his boy has surpassed him already. I'm sure Dave is (rightfully) quite proud of him.
Paul Harvey--
BRC champs with an average score of 62.5 to 11.
BRC/D-SC Challenge champs over Team State qualifier SV/E by 84 points.
Regional champs (without Logan Hatch) by 75 points.
St. Croix Falls champs (without Cole Godbout) over #8 Totino-Grace by 32.5.
2nd at Stillwater (without Jake Midby) behind #10 Eagan, a team Hudson split with as Hudson beat them at Lakeville.
2nd at Lakeville behind #2 and still undefeated Scott West.
6th out of 60 at the Bi-State (without Logan Hatch) and 2nd in D1. Two teams Hudson beat at Bi-State are Team State qualifiers – Holmen and Lodi.
Hudson had two dual losses -- #1 ranked Ellsworth and #7 ranked Hutchinson, who is currently 24-3 in duals.
Hudson beat #5 ranked Marshfield, without Logan Hatch and Zeke Schwarz, who got hurt at Regionals.
Hudson has one blemish on their body of work that apparently your entire spewing of vitriol came from – a 4 point loss to Bay Port. A dual in which Hudson sent every single JV kid they have to the JV state qualifier, including their JV state champ, who is inserted into Varsity in most tough duals.
Boy, a lot of tough criticism for just the Bay Port dual!
You stated Hudson is going through a cycle????? What cycle is that?
And now you know...... the rest of the story........
spewing of vitriol ..... :o :o :o
Quote from: Nice to be a winner! on February 15, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Paul Harvey--
BRC champs with an average score of 62.5 to 11.
BRC/D-SC Challenge champs over Team State qualifier SV/E by 84 points.
Regional champs (without Logan Hatch) by 75 points.
St. Croix Falls champs (without Cole Godbout) over #8 Totino-Grace by 32.5.
2nd at Stillwater (without Jake Midby) behind #10 Eagan, a team Hudson split with as Hudson beat them at Lakeville.
2nd at Lakeville behind #2 and still undefeated Scott West.
6th out of 60 at the Bi-State (without Logan Hatch) and 2nd in D1. Two teams Hudson beat at Bi-State are Team State qualifiers – Holmen and Lodi.
Hudson had two dual losses -- #1 ranked Ellsworth and #7 ranked Hutchinson, who is currently 24-3 in duals.
Hudson beat #5 ranked Marshfield, without Logan Hatch and Zeke Schwarz, who got hurt at Regionals.
Hudson has one blemish on their body of work that apparently your entire spewing of vitriol came from – a 4 point loss to Bay Port. A dual in which Hudson sent every single JV kid they have to the JV state qualifier, including their JV state champ, who is inserted into Varsity in most tough duals.
Boy, a lot of tough criticism for just the Bay Port dual!
You stated Hudson is going through a cycle????? What cycle is that?
And now you know...... the rest of the story........
Hmmm, there are only two people on this forum that can or would take the time to cite statistics of this detail...... 8)
I'm impressed but it does not change my mind as to the overall state of the BRC or the theme of my initial post in reference to it.
Quote from: Nice to be a winner! on February 15, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Paul Harvey--
BRC champs with an average score of 62.5 to 11.
BRC/D-SC Challenge champs over Team State qualifier SV/E by 84 points.
Thanks for making my point about the BRC!
Quote from: Nice to be a winner! on February 15, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
You stated Hudson is going through a cycle????? What cycle is that?
2015-2016 = Motorcycle
2016-2017 = Bicycle
2017-2018 = Tricycle??? Let's hope not
It's just a Cyclical thing.... ;D
Quote from: Nice to be a winner! on February 15, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Paul Harvey--
BRC champs with an average score of 62.5 to 11.
BRC/D-SC Challenge champs over Team State qualifier SV/E by 84 points.
Regional champs (without Logan Hatch) by 75 points.
St. Croix Falls champs (without Cole Godbout) over #8 Totino-Grace by 32.5.
2nd at Stillwater (without Jake Midby) behind #10 Eagan, a team Hudson split with as Hudson beat them at Lakeville.
2nd at Lakeville behind #2 and still undefeated Scott West.
6th out of 60 at the Bi-State (without Logan Hatch) and 2nd in D1. Two teams Hudson beat at Bi-State are Team State qualifiers – Holmen and Lodi.
Hudson had two dual losses -- #1 ranked Ellsworth and #7 ranked Hutchinson, who is currently 24-3 in duals.
Hudson beat #5 ranked Marshfield, without Logan Hatch and Zeke Schwarz, who got hurt at Regionals.
Hudson has one blemish on their body of work that apparently your entire spewing of vitriol came from – a 4 point loss to Bay Port. A dual in which Hudson sent every single JV kid they have to the JV state qualifier, including their JV state champ, who is inserted into Varsity in most tough duals.
Boy, a lot of tough criticism for just the Bay Port dual!
You stated Hudson is going through a cycle????? What cycle is that?
And now you know...... the rest of the story........
You failed to mention that "GRINDER" of a Quad Meet in Mondovi. What were the stats on that one again????
Quote from: Nice to be a winner! on February 15, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Hudson has one blemish on their body of work that apparently your entire spewing of vitriol came from – a 4 point loss to Bay Port. A dual in which Hudson sent every single JV kid they have to the JV state qualifier, including their JV state champ, who is inserted into Varsity in most tough duals.
I almost forgot this one....
Please tell me that you don't really believe our JV would have made a difference in this match or that their absence was the reason we did not win?
All kidding aside,
I am very happy for the Hudson kids and coaches for making another Team State Tournament!
Well done!
Best of Luck this weekend at Individual Sectionals....
Oh boy... Here we go... Paul, your perceived weakness in the Brc is based on one fact. That fact is that the second place team wasn't quite as strong this year as normal. The margin of victory in conference duals is the exact same accept that Hudson wasn't pushed by a second place team. Since you're a numbers guy, I'll get the numbers later. 4 seniors in the line up, 4 freshman, 2 sophomores, 7 juniors all with significant varsity time. How short our memories are. Team state qualification was never believed to be within reach and now the Hudson kids made it during their "down" year. I'll take that down year anytime.
Quote from: Paul Harvey on February 15, 2017, 11:13:25 PM
Quote from: Nice to be a winner! on February 15, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Hudson has one blemish on their body of work that apparently your entire spewing of vitriol came from – a 4 point loss to Bay Port. A dual in which Hudson sent every single JV kid they have to the JV state qualifier, including their JV state champ, who is inserted into Varsity in most tough duals.
I almost forgot this one....
Please tell me that you don't really believe our JV would have made a difference in this match or that their absence was the reason we did not win?
Winner wont respond to this but I will. Yes, having 3 JV guys with quality varsity time not being available did cost Hudson the Bay Port dual. Forfeit at 113, no options for movement for Hudson from 138 to 170.
In regards to conference parity, I looked at 10-11, 14-15, 15-16. The average margin of victory was 56-15. How different is that from the 62 -11 margin from this year? Not a statistics guy but that seems to be a fairly small difference. 1 match per dual? ::) Don't make me call Kensbud76! ;D
I think what the zebra is trying to say is that your perception has been derived from the fact that this year, there is no 2nd place team.
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th are the same as always.
The reality is the BRC has rarely been a 3-team race. But is it always a 2-team race. This year being the exception. Menomonie, Chippewa Falls, ECN, etc. have all taken their turns at being the top dog with Hudson.
Aside from that, things are pretty much the same.
Spiral Ride just predicted the state qualifiers and he has 11 from our half. He doesn't list Fanning, Levi Smith, Draveling, Busby, Kamrowski, etc. so there is room for error and still get 11-12. Truth be told, that is a historically correct number.
So getting 12 state qualifiers plus the Team sectional champs from our half is more of the rule than the exception.
Paul - I actually think you are correct in your belief.
But strangely enough, you can't get to that belief through numbers.
Paul Harvey ... Good day!
Quote from: Nice to be a winner! on February 16, 2017, 09:48:34 AM
Paul - I actually think you are correct in your belief.
But strangely enough, you can't get to that belief through numbers.
I guess my data points don't lead to the same conclusion as yours? ???
I liked it better when you Hudson guys had Menononie to pick on and worry about :-* ....at least I had a horse in the race back then and had allot more fun reading the forums. Good luck to the BRC teams this weekend in River Falls!!
Quote from: Mustang Fan on February 16, 2017, 07:17:16 PM
I liked it better when you Hudson guys had Menononie to pick on and worry about :-* ....at least I had a horse in the race back then and had allot more fun reading the forums. Good luck to the BRC teams this weekend in River Falls!!
I know I miss KingFish2 from another town... :o :o :o
Stillwater, MN made it to Team State is the Class AAA (D1). 8-team field just like us. They won the sectional finals 47-23.
Hudson beat them 33-24.
Now that the smoke and mirrors have cleared up, there are some interesting numbers available from the individual sectional. Hudson brought 11 wrestlers. Marshfield brought 12. Hudson scored 115. Marshfield 59.5. I'm not a numbers guy but a ballpark estimate tells me that Hudson nearly doubled them. Won the team sectional dual on Tuesday night (by using depth and 3 guys who were not available for the Bay Port SNAFU) and followed that up by scoring the most points in the individual sectional. I don't say winning because nobody really keeps track of that, it just provides some useful data.
Furthermore, when adding the west side regional, the east side's regional results were totally scrambled. Could that reflect that, although the number of state qualifiers were not equal from the two regionals, the parity and depth from the west side was greater than the east? I'm really not sure... Some more thought needs to into that.
Anyway, one poster was correct on this thread. This is a DOWN year for Hudson. Back DOWN to Madison for the next two weekends.