WEGA and WB???

matman · January 20, 2017, 01:53:01 PM

Heard the dual got a little ROWDY last night, any truth to this? Track made it look close, the dual could have went either way. Appeared to be a lot of coaching going on with wrestlers moving around compared to past duals this year, typical for these two teams over the years!

Congrats to WB on the 41-36 win.

Match that decided the dual.
126
Zach Johnson (Wittenberg-Birnamwood) over Logan Kicherer (Weyauwega-Fremont) (Dec 11-9)

Also, any-word on WB'S HWT?
285
Dylen Kicherer (Weyauwega-Fremont) over Unknown (For.)

It looks like someone was there all season, loosing the hwt may hurt them in the team race at the conference tourney.

matman · January 20, 2017, 02:24:31 PM

ALSO WHERE WAS KEMPF???

Gizmo6 · January 20, 2017, 02:55:13 PM

W-B coach chose not to wrestle their hwt. Kempf weighed in at 129.3 so his weight was 132.The question with Kempf was brought up by W-B coach that Kempf was not eligible to wrestle 138 because he was listed at 126 on the weigh-in sheet and there is a rule in place that allows you only to move a wrestler up 1 weight class from their lowest eligible weight. The referee and W-B coach were wrong according to the WIAA officials handbook, the listing of the weight has no factor on the wrestlers eligible weight and it was an OFFICIALS ERROR and he should have been able to wrestle. I'm sure that referee will be getting a call from the WIAA. Great dual though, the 126 match started the dual with a bang, wegas 106 pounder has been extremely impressive also.

matman · January 20, 2017, 03:16:13 PM

Thanks Gizmo!
By the sounds of it, WEGA should have won the dual; if that is how the weighing in of Kempf went. None the less, still sounded like a great dual. As to the HWT, why not? That ruins the duals and hurts the sport, parents, friends, and family come to watch their son or daughter wrestle.... Why give up 6 without a fight? I wonder if there was more too it? It seems odd to sit a kid, it's not like the WEGA kid was some incredible wrestler, but this isn't the first time EITHER team has done this or something similar in the past.

padre · January 21, 2017, 12:17:25 AM

No doubt an officials error. Was a good dual with mistakes made by both teams on and off the mat. Had the wrestler that wasn't able to wrestle been able to that doesn't necessarily mean a Wega win. WB got pinned after that in a 4-4 match...a 3-2 match and also leading 12-3 at another. Can argue it for days but no one will ever know what the outcome would have been had circumstances changed.

As far as heavyweight that is s coaches decision and no other. WB got left with a senior graduating early having his last match end in an odd forfeit which Wega decided to wrestle Peplinski over him and there was no animosity.

WB has taken major hits off the mat to end up with the line-up they have now and in the future weeks.. The team that will wrestle at conference and regionals is unrecognizable compared to what we thought it would be 8 months ago. To even have a chance to win a conference title with all the hits taken is a little surprising. Regionals should be very close Also with Wega.

Wrestlologist · January 21, 2017, 06:23:26 PM

We all saw the W-B Coach begging the official to not let Kempf wrestle. Despite the Wega Coach calmly trying to explain to the official why Kempf was eligible to wrestle at that weight, the official gave in to the W-B Coach's rants and made the decision to disallow Wega's wrestler. It was definitely a game changer. Kempf's points would have more than changed the outcome of the dual. Too bad for Wega. How can W-B's Coach sleep at night?
Sorry to hear about W-B's off mat problems. I wondered what happened to their "Honorable Mentioned" team that didn't seem overwhelming on the mat. Hope the problems go away before Regionals.

matman · January 21, 2017, 08:17:27 PM

Quote from: padre on January 21, 2017, 12:17:25 AM

WB has taken major hits off the mat to end up with the line-up they have now and in the future weeks.. The team that will wrestle at conference and regionals is unrecognizable compared to what we thought it would be 8 months ago. To even have a chance to win a conference title with all the hits taken is a little surprising. Regionals should be very close Also with Wega.

Just goes to show how light the conference is this year depth wise IMO.

padre · January 21, 2017, 09:33:09 PM

Quote from: Wrestlologist on January 21, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
We all saw the W-B Coach begging the official to not let Kempf wrestle. Despite the Wega Coach calmly trying to explain to the official why Kempf was eligible to wrestle at that weight, the official gave in to the W-B Coach's rants and made the decision to disallow Wega's wrestler. It was definitely a game changer. Kempf's points would have more than changed the outcome of the dual. Too bad for Wega. How can W-B's Coach sleep at night?
Sorry to hear about W-B's off mat problems. I wondered what happened to their "Honorable Mentioned" team that didn't seem overwhelming on the mat. Hope the problems go away before Regionals.

How can he sleep at night? The question was asked before the dual even started what weight he could wrestle as he didn't make the weight he attempted(if he was intentionally missing 126 why didn't he just weigh in at 132?). The ref said 132 was all he could go up to. No one really thought that he was bumping to 138 as there was already a JV match set up for after the dual with the kid that ended up going out and wrestling 132(you cannot wrestle JV and varsity). Troy then went with what the ref said and he feels bad Kempf was not able to wrestle....while we are a competitive team we are more than a fair team in every aspect. Do not imply that in some way we were trying to cheat as that was not the case....if Wega felt that strongly they should have had a rule book taken out but Im guessing even they were a little unsure due to the circumstances of the weigh in after it was brought to their attention.

You are right they didn't seem overwhelming and of that team two seniors will not be there for conference and regionals for different reasons. But with all that said I think we will still be in the race.

padre · January 21, 2017, 09:36:51 PM

Quote from: matman on January 21, 2017, 08:17:27 PM
Quote from: padre on January 21, 2017, 12:17:25 AM

WB has taken major hits off the mat to end up with the line-up they have now and in the future weeks.. The team that will wrestle at conference and regionals is unrecognizable compared to what we thought it would be 8 months ago. To even have a chance to win a conference title with all the hits taken is a little surprising. Regionals should be very close Also with Wega.

Just goes to show how light the conference is this year depth wise IMO.

No doubt not deep this year.

Many of the usual top teams have really lost some good kids over the last couple years due to off-the-mat issues and injuries. I'm hoping that will turn around. The addition of Pittsville next year will toughen it up as they are very junior strong and have a very good team next year. WB has a strong junior high and youth program which will create good teams in the coming years.

That being said 160, 170 and 285 will have some depth at the weights.

Wrestlologist · January 22, 2017, 01:47:07 PM

Good respectful conversations about an area of disagreement. No name calling and no bad mouthing. Much better than the latest protests in Washington D.C.

bkraus · January 25, 2017, 09:07:14 AM

Weigh in rules are as follows (and I will use these weight classes for simplicity)

If a wrestler weighs in at 126 and is over, they then qualify for 132 and 138 since their scale weight qualifies them for those weights. Usually the coach just arrows them up to the next block on the weigh in sheet, or could scratch them out and rewrite it.

If a wrestler is on the sheet at 132 and weighs in with the 132 wrestlers, but weighs 125 he is then locked into the 132 lb class because 126 would have been closed at the weigh ins. He would not be allowed to go up because his qualified weight would qualify him for 126 and 132.

This was definitely an error, and the official is human and makes errors. I guarantee you the official made a decision based on what they thought was the right call and did not curb to any of the teams. It's unfortunate if it changed the outcome of the dual. No official wants to do that.

Wrestlologist · January 25, 2017, 01:20:09 PM

I was sitting just a couple rows above the scorer's table. The W-B coach approached the table and called the official over. The W-B coach insisted to the official that the WF wrestler couldn't wrestle. The WF coach showed the official and the W-B coach where the arrow was on the weigh-in sheet. According the previous post, BOTH the W-B coach and the official were wrong.

Yes, it affected the final results of the dual.

It turned out that the three best wrestler's on the WF team didn't wrestle, two received forfeits from W-B and one the W-B coach convinced the official to make an error.

Too bad for WF team. Too bad for us wrestling fans.

Unrecoverable error that feels like a punch in the gut.

wrastle63 · January 25, 2017, 02:00:22 PM

Been to a lot of weigh ins. If he was 129.3 what is the point of even trying for 126. It isn't like your going to lose over a pound since weigh ins started. Would have been avoided by just weighing in at the correct weight class.

padre · January 26, 2017, 01:15:44 AM

Quote from: Wrestlologist on January 25, 2017, 01:20:09 PM
I was sitting just a couple rows above the scorer's table. The W-B coach approached the table and called the official over. The W-B coach insisted to the official that the WF wrestler couldn't wrestle. The WF coach showed the official and the W-B coach where the arrow was on the weigh-in sheet. According the previous post, BOTH the W-B coach and the official were wrong.

Yes, it affected the final results of the dual.

It turned out that the three best wrestler's on the WF team didn't wrestle, two received forfeits from W-B and one the W-B coach convinced the official to make an error.

Too bad for WF team. Too bad for us wrestling fans.

Unrecoverable error that feels like a punch in the gut.

Maybe it would have changed the match outcome...maybe not. Everything would have been different as the dual was basically locked up after the 160 match. Kids would have wrestled a little more cautiously. Remember to make it close 3 WB kids got pinned...one tied...one ahead 12-3 and one behind 3-2...all after the 160 match...can guarantee that doesn't happen if kids know they have to stay off their back.

If the senior wega 220 stays where he's at he gets a match. If the wrestler that didn't make weight intentionally is told by the coach to get on the scale at 132 no issues arise.

Don't blame a coach for confirming what the ref told him. It was a mistake and had he known no argument would have been made.

Wega will have the next two weeks to show they are the better team.

Gizmo6 · January 26, 2017, 02:59:27 PM

Quote from: wrastle63 on January 25, 2017, 02:00:22 PM
Been to a lot of weigh ins. If he was 129.3 what is the point of even trying for 126. It isn't like your going to lose over a pound since weigh ins started. Would have been avoided by just weighing in at the correct weight class.

Weyauwega hadn't had school or practice since Monday leading up to the dual so there was an additional pound given for all weight classes, the weight 126 was then 129. Just to clarify