Sorry if I missed a post or discussion, Can someone clarify the seeds for the D1,2,3 team state tourney? Who's got who?
Coaches are getting together this morning(sunday)to seed teams
Why would they want to seed it????? They should just use the random draw matrix the individual tournament uses and have them wrestle. The first round matchups could be really exciting!!! Just think Mukwonago and Stoughton first round so one of them can avoid making weight the second day and can beat the traffic home because they can leave early. Sounds like a win. It works really well for the individual state tournament.
SUNDAY, MARCH 1, 2020
Team Wrestling Seeds Determined
D1
1. Mukwonago
2. Kaukauna
3. Stoughton
4. Arrowhead
5. Holmen
6. Neenah
7. Hudson
8. Brookfield East
D2
1. Wrightstown
2. Prairie du Chien
3. GET-Mel-Min
4. Port Washington
D3
1. Coleman
2. Fennimore
3. Stratford
4. Random Lake
What a Joke !!!!!!!!!! DIV 3 Coleman # 1 😂😂😂😂😂Thanks I needed a good laugh today
I can think of 3 team that deserve a #1 in D1 and none of them start with M
Why is DI the only division to get eight teams in the tourney?!?!?
Quote from: jdwrestle on March 01, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
SUNDAY, MARCH 1, 2020
Team Wrestling Seeds Determined
D1
1. Mukwonago
2. Kaukauna
3. Stoughton
4. Arrowhead
5. Holmen
6. Neenah
7. Hudson
8. Brookfield East
D2
1. Wrightstown
2. Prairie du Chien
3. GET-Mel-Min
4. Port Washington
D3
1. Coleman
2. Fennimore
3. Stratford
4. Random Lake
proportionality
Basically...
The number of schools (128 D1 sends 8 schools, D2 = about 100*, D3 = about 100*) represents the approximate number of students enrolled and represented in those schools.
There are twice as many students 'total' in the D1 schools as there are in each of D2 and D3.
If this were not the case, and the 328 wrestling schools were divided into three equal groups by enrollment all D2 and D3 schools would be in 'D3'. The D2 schools would be the lower enrolled schools currently in D1.
This is all approximately correct and i may be off some, but this is the basic set up.
*I'm not certain these are 105 and 105 and also not exactly certain on the 328 total.
Quote from: MNbadger on March 01, 2020, 09:01:57 PM
Why is DI the only division to get eight teams in the tourney?!?!?Quote from: jdwrestle on March 01, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
SUNDAY, MARCH 1, 2020
Team Wrestling Seeds Determined
D1
1. Mukwonago
2. Kaukauna
3. Stoughton
4. Arrowhead
5. Holmen
6. Neenah
7. Hudson
8. Brookfield East
D2
1. Wrightstown
2. Prairie du Chien
3. GET-Mel-Min
4. Port Washington
D3
1. Coleman
2. Fennimore
3. Stratford
4. Random Lake
would love to see 16 from each.
take top 2 at regional and wrestle them at team sectional, 16 team sectional winners go to state.
bring it to the kohl center or dane county coliseum, 8 mats and start at 10am on friday by 3pm you would be down to 8 teams in each division then one more round friday to get it down to 4 teams each.
6 mats saturday morning at 11 am, wrestle the finals at 4 pm
92champ45 what school were you a champ ?
I have watched the discussion for years in regard to the WI state wrestling series.
There have been many complaints about low numbers in weight brackets of regionals.
I had never paid much attention until this year....... I believe the problem is that you have too many regionals......
8 Sections for each division (divisions roughly equal numbers)
Weekend I Section Team Duals (We do a pigtail on Wednesday) Friday three rounds
Section champs go to state (8 team state bracket)
Weekend II Section Individual Tournament (Friday/Saturday). This could be done in one day, some do.
Top two per weight go to state (16 man state bracket)
Weekend III "State"
Thursday Team Dual Championships
Friday/Saturday Individual Championships
This seems much simpler than the suggestions for changing the present WI. System than the ones I have seen mentioned (especially with some getting byes, etc.).
I have tons of discussions bout seeding they use criteria to seed with coaches input and sure enough still people crying and complaining. I guess it just doesn't matter what the WIAA does there will be people crying and complaining......just a joke. I would guess even in a so called perfect system some would be unhappy.
"A sure formula for failure is trying to please everyone."
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 01, 2020, 08:25:22 PM
What a Joke !!!!!!!!!! DIV 3 Coleman # 1 😂😂😂😂😂Thanks I needed a good laugh today
Lol at this
I would love to hear any argument that anyone would have to defend Coleman of getting #1 the truth is Random Lake is the only team they could beat Fennimore and Stratford would both Agree Coleman only had that many qualifiers because Stratford got moved from that sectional. Coleman don't Evan make it to state if Stratford is still in that sectional period.
The seeding was based off specific criteria that's they way seeding goes. So now you don't like seeding? I have heard tons and tons of talk about seeding and how great it is but if it goes contrary to someone's feelings then it's no good. Ummmm interesting.
Agree 45 champ. Never heard anybody say a word from Coleman and Stratford when they were in the same sec and team sec. And didn't hear anyone asked to separate them. They wrestled each other for many of years and both teams took 7 or 8 to Madison. Guess what champ we will find out Saturday. Coaches voted for the teams talk to them. What team did you wrestle for. Good luck to all teams.
Can not make all of us happy at the same time about this rant.
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
I would love to hear any argument that anyone would have to defend Coleman of getting #1 the truth is Random Lake is the only team they could beat Fennimore and Stratford would both Agree Coleman only had that many qualifiers because Stratford got moved from that sectional. Coleman don't Evan make it to state if Stratford is still in that sectional period.
What is the argument for Stratford over Coleman? If it is such a no brainer as you say there should be an easy explanation. ::)
Quote from: Luke Louison on March 02, 2020, 03:20:08 PM
--One less placewinner than Stratford, with nothing from Blanchard
--2nd at Pulaski (to Kaukauna) by a whisker
--Won On the Water by over a 100.
I don't really think the case for any of those three teams is very strong vis-a-vis the other two. They're all pretty close. To throw a fit, like that isn't the case just looks silly.
(https://i.imgur.com/yTUyZrl.png)
See what you're missing for Fennimore 145 Mason Lull who took 3rd and beat Kuchta 8-2.
92 45 champ. Haven't seen your school at team state in years no dog in the fight for you.
Quote from: Luke Louison on March 02, 2020, 03:20:08 PM
--One less placewinner than Stratford, with nothing from Blanchard
--2nd at Pulaski (to Kaukauna) by a whisker
--Won On the Water by over a 100.
I don't really think the case for any of those three teams is very strong vis-a-vis the other two. They're all pretty close. To throw a fit, like that isn't the case just looks silly.
(https://i.imgur.com/yTUyZrl.png)
This is good shows potential match ups nicely.
Quote from: The wrestler on March 01, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
92champ45 what school were you a champ ?
Athens. Does that help clear up who I am. Or do you want me to tell you
Yes I looked you up. Now I know why you are ranting. Like I said Stratford must be with you now.
Take your turn. Good luck at Team state
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 02, 2020, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
I would love to hear any argument that anyone would have to defend Coleman of getting #1 the truth is Random Lake is the only team they could beat Fennimore and Stratford would both Agree Coleman only had that many qualifiers because Stratford got moved from that sectional. Coleman don't Evan make it to state if Stratford is still in that sectional period.
What is the argument for Stratford over Coleman? If it is such a no brainer as you say there should be an easy explanation. ::)
No. It's not about Stratford over Coleman. My opinion is Fennimore the defending state champs that didn't lose much from last should have best case for #1 seed and Stratford and Coleman should be 2 or 3 respectively and for argument sake Coleman can be #2 Let them hash it out in first Round. Then the 2 Best teams will be competing for championship.
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 06:45:41 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 02, 2020, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
I would love to hear any argument that anyone would have to defend Coleman of getting #1 the truth is Random Lake is the only team they could beat Fennimore and Stratford would both Agree Coleman only had that many qualifiers because Stratford got moved from that sectional. Coleman don't Evan make it to state if Stratford is still in that sectional period.
What is the argument for Stratford over Coleman? If it is such a no brainer as you say there should be an easy explanation. ::)
No. It's not about Stratford over Coleman. My opinion is Fennimore the defending state champs that didn't lose much from last should have best case for #1 seed and Stratford and Coleman should be 2 or 3 respectively and for argument sake Coleman can be #2 Let them hash it out in first Round. Then the 2 Best teams will be competing for championship.
Coleman had more state qualifiers and state place winners than Fennimore. Including outplacing them at 3 weights. Sound logic.
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 02, 2020, 07:40:07 PM
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 06:45:41 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 02, 2020, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
I would love to hear any argument that anyone would have to defend Coleman of getting #1 the truth is Random Lake is the only team they could beat Fennimore and Stratford would both Agree Coleman only had that many qualifiers because Stratford got moved from that sectional. Coleman don't Evan make it to state if Stratford is still in that sectional period.
What is the argument for Stratford over Coleman? If it is such a no brainer as you say there should be an easy explanation. ::)
No. It's not about Stratford over Coleman. My opinion is Fennimore the defending state champs that didn't lose much from last should have best case for #1 seed and Stratford and Coleman should be 2 or 3 respectively and for argument sake Coleman can be #2 Let them hash it out in first Round. Then the 2 Best teams will be competing for championship.
Coleman had more state qualifiers and state place winners than Fennimore. Including outplacing them at 3 weights. Sound logic.
Sound logic. 10 = 66 points that's good for 4th place team wise by sound logic 10 wrestlers should have easily won team score at the state meet Not the case why. Oh yah. Easy sectional. And it showed So 10 wrestlers at state is not fair representation of how good your team is Stratford had 7 they scored 96 and if I remember correctly Fennimore and Cadott outscored Coleman as well with less. Sound logic 😂
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 08:46:40 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 02, 2020, 07:40:07 PM
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 06:45:41 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 02, 2020, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
I would love to hear any argument that anyone would have to defend Coleman of getting #1 the truth is Random Lake is the only team they could beat Fennimore and Stratford would both Agree Coleman only had that many qualifiers because Stratford got moved from that sectional. Coleman don't Evan make it to state if Stratford is still in that sectional period.
What is the argument for Stratford over Coleman? If it is such a no brainer as you say there should be an easy explanation. ::)
No. It's not about Stratford over Coleman. My opinion is Fennimore the defending state champs that didn't lose much from last should have best case for #1 seed and Stratford and Coleman should be 2 or 3 respectively and for argument sake Coleman can be #2 Let them hash it out in first Round. Then the 2 Best teams will be competing for championship.
Coleman had more state qualifiers and state place winners than Fennimore. Including outplacing them at 3 weights. Sound logic.
Sound logic. 10 = 66 points that's good for 4th place team wise by sound logic 10 wrestlers should have easily won team score at the state meet Not the case why. Oh yah. Easy sectional. And it showed So 10 wrestlers at state is not fair representation of how good your team is Stratford had 7 they scored 96 and if I remember correctly Fennimore and Cadott outscored Coleman as well with less. Sound logic 😂
Computer based seeding then the coaches voted. Not sure the value of the voting was compared to the seeding criteria but it had some impact or why do it ? Fennimore can still be the State Champion if they win two right? I think Coleman matches up better against Fennimore than they do Stratford on the head to head. Plus let's give Random Lake some respect they loosing without wrestling is not fair to them. In the end it will all play out.
Great point RamJet Rondom Lake could beat Coleman Just asking where did Codott and Athens fall in points
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 08:46:40 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 02, 2020, 07:40:07 PM
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 06:45:41 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 02, 2020, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 02, 2020, 02:22:01 PM
I would love to hear any argument that anyone would have to defend Coleman of getting #1 the truth is Random Lake is the only team they could beat Fennimore and Stratford would both Agree Coleman only had that many qualifiers because Stratford got moved from that sectional. Coleman don't Evan make it to state if Stratford is still in that sectional period.
What is the argument for Stratford over Coleman? If it is such a no brainer as you say there should be an easy explanation. ::)
No. It's not about Stratford over Coleman. My opinion is Fennimore the defending state champs that didn't lose much from last should have best case for #1 seed and Stratford and Coleman should be 2 or 3 respectively and for argument sake Coleman can be #2 Let them hash it out in first Round. Then the 2 Best teams will be competing for championship.
Coleman had more state qualifiers and state place winners than Fennimore. Including outplacing them at 3 weights. Sound logic.
Sound logic. 10 = 66 points that's good for 4th place team wise by sound logic 10 wrestlers should have easily won team score at the state meet Not the case why. Oh yah. Easy sectional. And it showed So 10 wrestlers at state is not fair representation of how good your team is Stratford had 7 they scored 96 and if I remember correctly Fennimore and Cadott outscored Coleman as well with less. Sound logic 😂
State Individual scoring is our measure of how good a team is? Arrowhead outscored everyone but yet they are a 4 seed why?
Your valuing just the top wrestlers of each team. At 106 Lemieux scored 0 points at state but in a dual who are you taking a state qualifier or wrestler who hasn't even won a match this year? That's why they used a seeding criteria.
D3 is a a circus! You move Stratford west and in doing so prevent Cadott the #3/#4 team in the state from getting there. Yes I think they beat Random Lake and give Coleman all they can handle. You further blow things by issuing Coleman the #1 seed leaving the State Championship to occur in the Simi-Finals between Fennimore and Stratford. Ahhh!
So much turmoil. . .
shouldvewrestled posted [D3 Seeding Team State thread 2-19-20], "I think Random Lake should get a bye to the finals. Stratford, Coleman, and Fennimore wrestle a round robin to see who gets to try and beat them :P"
Seems rather logical
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 01, 2020, 08:25:22 PM
What a Joke !!!!!!!!!! DIV 3 Coleman # 1 😂😂😂😂😂Thanks I needed a good laugh today
Looking foolish as usual. ::)
Quote from: 1992statechamp145 on March 01, 2020, 08:25:22 PM
What a Joke !!!!!!!!!! DIV 3 Coleman # 1 😂😂😂😂😂Thanks I needed a good laugh today
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So many funny posts on here ;D
Congrats to Coleman and Fennimore for an outstanding competitive dual.
I don't know who put Coleman as #1 seed but what were they thinking?
What a Joke !!!!!!!!!! DIV 3 Coleman # 1 😂😂😂😂😂Thanks I needed a good laugh today
D3 is a a circus! You move Stratford west and in doing so prevent Cadott the #3/#4 team in the state from getting there. Yes I think they beat Random Lake and give Coleman all they can handle. You further blow things by issuing Coleman the #1 seed leaving the State Championship to occur in the Simi-Finals between Fennimore and Stratford. Ahhh!
I agree but where has Cadott been when Stratford and Colemen wrestled on Tuesday nights the last 5 years.