Nice to see the Badgers are peaking in march
Rough round, but still have 1 in the semis, 2 in the round of 12, and 3 in the round of 16...
Quote from: Brett Favre on March 20, 2015, 01:05:35 PM
Nice to see the Badgers are peaking in march
I can see the sarcasm dripping from your statement.
Bucky seems to have trouble finishing the close ones. Traditionally, 2nds, 4ths, 6ths, 8ths, vs 1,3,5,7. Love to see that change this weekend.
So frustrating to be denied having 3 in the semis by losing to 2 guys Bucky beat at Big 10s!! I know the athletes and coaches always talk about one match at a time... but you wonder how many of the upsets (not just our two that just lost) happen because a guy is just the tiniest bit looking forward in the bracket or resting on - I've beaten him twice this year. You would expect that with the difference in talent at that level being so thin, the smallest little lack of mental focus could cost you big.
Tonight - Round of 12
Taylor vs Montoya
Jordan v Moreno
McCall vs Huntley
Semis
Medbery vs Gwiazodowski
I don't think it has to do with looking ahead at all. It's tough to beat guys consistently at this level. RT got the better of Gulibon at Big Tens in a tight match. He made a mistake rolling around and gave up back points that cost him the match. He did a similar roll against Gulibon at Big Tens and got away. Zeke was what 4-0 against Walsh lifetime going into this match, with basically all wins being 1 or 2 points? Walsh is super tough to finish on and is a leech on top. Zeke was all over the legs but just couldn't finish the last time but was so close to 2 and 2. The only guy who can't/hasn't wrestle to seed is RT. All other guys have wrestled to or can wrestle to their seed. It's s tough tournament. Just look at all of the top guys going down. We just happened to be on the unfortunate end of 2 of those. Good thing is these 2 are sophomores and aren't in a situation like Kokesh taking his first loss and having to win 1 more just to AA.
It sucks - everyone is disappointed because we have big expectations. That's a good thing - it says a lot about the guys we have. Just gotta take the tournament as it goes - get these 3 wins on the backside and finish with 4 AA's. They all have tough bouts coming up, Zeke in particular with #2 Moreno. Let's see if Zeke can turn the result the other way around for his second AA finish in as many years. And let's see Connor find that motor again and knock off the returning champ!
I don't think we are getting to our tie's enough, or attacking the legs enough.
4 guys left.
285-Medberry in semis and is guaranteed AA
These guys need to win to be come All-Americans
133- #2 Taylor has Montoya from Nebraska- Taylor beat him 12-4 in dual
165- #3 Jordan has #2 Moreno with winner becoming All-American and one goes home empty- Hope he is pumped. Moreno pinned him in their only match
197- #12 McCall has #8 Huntley from Michigan- Huntley beat McCall 9-6 in dual
Isn't that rolling around stuff what cost Graff last year and something Barry specifically said "we need to stop rolling around"?
I didn't see Taylors match, but reading on a few other places, it sounds kind of similar...
Stinks. Hope everyone keeps pulling forward. It could be easy for Jordan to fold after winning the big 10's, lots of other guys have done it in the same situation. Hope that isn't the case and he comes all the way back.
I know that we all tend to focus on the results of the "big dogs," but geezzz, Cousins' win over Massa was pretty sweet and worthy of note.
Quote from: npope on March 20, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
I know that we all tend to focus on the results of the "big dogs," but geezzz, Cousins' win over Massa was pretty sweet and worthy of note.
And Top 16 is a great finish for Frank Cousins !!
Quote from: npope on March 20, 2015, 02:50:42 PM
I know that we all tend to focus on the results of the "big dogs," but geezzz, Cousins' win over Massa was pretty sweet and worthy of note.
It was good to see him come back after a dud of a match against Welch. Welch's only win of tourney.
Ricky Robertson had a great season also... In fact, an awesome year for the redshirt freshman... Top 16 as well...
After awhile, it was easy to take for granted how good he was ... he was solid and consistent all year long !!
Agreed! He was so tough I kind of just assumed he'd be an all american this year.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 20, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Ricky Robertson had a great season also... In fact, an awesome year for the redshirt freshman... Top 16 as well...
After awhile, it was easy to take for granted how good he was ... he was solid and consistent all year long !!
Quote from: stbird on March 20, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Agreed! He was so tough I kind of just assumed he'd be an all american this year.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 20, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Ricky Robertson had a great season also... In fact, an awesome year for the redshirt freshman... Top 16 as well...
After awhile, it was easy to take for granted how good he was ... he was solid and consistent all year long !!
Not trying to be a jerk but might I ask why?
Did he beat any wrestler ranked in the top 8 or 9 this season?
I was just being optimistic that he'd have a breakout tournament.
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 20, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
Quote from: stbird on March 20, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Agreed! He was so tough I kind of just assumed he'd be an all american this year.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 20, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Ricky Robertson had a great season also... In fact, an awesome year for the redshirt freshman... Top 16 as well...
After awhile, it was easy to take for granted how good he was ... he was solid and consistent all year long !!
Not trying to be a jerk but might I ask why?
Did he beat any wrestler ranked in the top 8 or 9 this season?
Quote from: hammen on March 20, 2015, 02:25:37 PM
I don't think it has to do with looking ahead at all. It's tough to beat guys consistently at this level. RT got the better of Gulibon at Big Tens in a tight match. He made a mistake rolling around and gave up back points that cost him the match. He did a similar roll against Gulibon at Big Tens and got away. Zeke was what 4-0 against Walsh lifetime going into this match, with basically all wins being 1 or 2 points? Walsh is super tough to finish on and is a leech on top. Zeke was all over the legs but just couldn't finish the last time but was so close to 2 and 2. The only guy who can't/hasn't wrestle to seed is RT. All other guys have wrestled to or can wrestle to their seed. It's s tough tournament. Just look at all of the top guys going down. We just happened to be on the unfortunate end of 2 of those. Good thing is these 2 are sophomores and aren't in a situation like Kokesh taking his first loss and having to win 1 more just to AA.
It sucks - everyone is disappointed because we have big expectations. That's a good thing - it says a lot about the guys we have. Just gotta take the tournament as it goes - get these 3 wins on the backside and finish with 4 AA's. They all have tough bouts coming up, Zeke in particular with #2 Moreno. Let's see if Zeke can turn the result the other way around for his second AA finish in as many years. And let's see Connor find that motor again and knock off the returning champ!
Drew,
Right on as usual. I think as fan/supporters we always assume that our 4 seeds and above will always make the semis, our lower seeds will wrestle above their seed, and that our guys will always beat the guys they have beaten before. What is easy to forget is how tight the margin of error is for most of these guys and sometimes really good wrestlers end up on the wrong side of an upset. There has been a staggering amount of upsets (by seed) in every round so far and we should be used to it. No school has been immune. It was certainly tough to have RT, JT, and IJ lose back to back to back but all in all today has gone pretty well. CM had a huge win, Frank finished his career on a high note and probably wrestling the best matches of his career, Ricky was in there in the mix, wrestled to his seed and has a bright future, and Timmy needs a win to AA. Below is just quick snap shot of what is going on with the top big ten teams and other high seeds:
Ohio St
#4 DiJulius out
#6 Demas out
H Stieber out (inj)
#10 Martin lost in first round now out
Tavanello out
Iowa
#5 Dziewa out
#4 Sorenson beat in quarters needed SV to still be alive
Kelly out
#3 Telford beat in first round
Penn State
#12 Beitz out
#2 McIntosh beat in Quarters
Minnesota
Lizak out
#6 N Dardanes out
#11 Pfarr 0-2 and out
Illinois
Delgado out (inj)
#5 Richards out
Rodrigues out
Langenderfer out
Reyes out
Koepke out
Black out
Other schools
125
#9 Peters out
#2 Garrett beat in first round
#8 Cox out
141
#4 Carter beat in quarters
#3 Mayes beat in 2nd round
149
#6 Pantaleo out
#8 Moreno 0-2 and out
157
#9 LaVallee out
165
#8 Walsh (Navy) out
#4 Sulzer lost in 2nd round
#7 Harger lost in quarters (inj)
#2 Moreno lost in 1st round
174
#1 Kokesh beat in quarters
#4 Eblen beat in 1st round now out
#5 Butler beat in 2nd round
184
#4 Dechow beat in 2nd round now out
#3 Stauffer beat in 2nd round
#2 Thomusseit beat in Quarters
#6 Zilmer beat in first round
197
#9 Bennett beat in first round now out
#7 Ayala out
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 20, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
Quote from: stbird on March 20, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Agreed! He was so tough I kind of just assumed he'd be an all american this year.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 20, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Ricky Robertson had a great season also... In fact, an awesome year for the redshirt freshman... Top 16 as well...
After awhile, it was easy to take for granted how good he was ... he was solid and consistent all year long !!
Not trying to be a jerk but might I ask why?
Did he beat any wrestler ranked in the top 8 or 9 this season?
Since you aren't being a jerk I'll give you a non-sarcastic answer.
I think RR's final record was 27-10. Winning 27 matches is huge. He had several wins over Bernstein, who is a former AA. He knocked off Dudley several times, who can be very dangerous and is currently just 1 win away from becoming an AA. He also beat Niko Reyes, who is no slouch. He lost a SV victory to Avery, who has secured AA status this year, and he lost a 8-7 match to Zillmer, who also is just 1 win away from being a '15 AA.
And, even though it's not part of the college season, RR is the reigning National JR Fila champion. He won that with a bracket that included Brooks and Pfarr.
So, by any measure, RR had a great season. I think once he adds a little more muscle, he'll be a beast.
Good job rt.
Boy has Brewer looked tough!
AA for RT now it is IJ and TM time to shine. Brewer looked tough as nails. He really took it to Dardanes.
And what about that Moisey kid from WVU! Somebody forgot to tell him these guys he's beating are better than him.
Evidently his coach showed him a thing or two about how to beat the studs!
Quote from: neutral on March 20, 2015, 07:59:51 PM
And what about that Moisey kid from WVU! Somebody forgot to tell him these guys he's beating are better than him.
Awesome job Taylor and Jordan! It would have been a terrible shame for them not to make AA after the great year they both had! McCall is next. Let's go Timmy!\
Quote from: Manty77 on March 20, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 20, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
Quote from: stbird on March 20, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Agreed! He was so tough I kind of just assumed he'd be an all american this year.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 20, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Ricky Robertson had a great season also... In fact, an awesome year for the redshirt freshman... Top 16 as well...
After awhile, it was easy to take for granted how good he was ... he was solid and consistent all year long !!
Not trying to be a jerk but might I ask why?
Did he beat any wrestler ranked in the top 8 or 9 this season?
Since you aren't being a jerk I'll give you a non-sarcastic answer.
I think RR's final record was 27-10. Winning 27 matches is huge. He had several wins over Bernstein, who is a former AA. He knocked off Dudley several times, who can be very dangerous and is currently just 1 win away from becoming an AA. He also beat Niko Reyes, who is no slouch. He lost a SV victory to Avery, who has secured AA status this year, and he lost a 8-7 match to Zillmer, who also is just 1 win away from being a '15 AA.
And, even though it's not part of the college season, RR is the reigning National JR Fila champion. He won that with a bracket that included Brooks and Pfarr.
So, by any measure, RR had a great season. I think once he adds a little more muscle, he'll be a beast.
I wasn't saying he didn't have a very good year, I wouldn't say great as a great season for a fresh is an AA or better in my book. He did have a very good year, but to be an AA you generally need to beat the top guys and he hasn't really done that so far this year he is beating the 12-20 ranked guys on a somewhat regular basis and that is very good but that doesn't make you an AA. So many thought he had a real shot this season and I really though he was at least a year out unless he really turned it up big time this weekend. He has a very bright future but is still a step behind but being a step behind as a freshman is very good because many are 3-4 steps behind. iMart is having a great year for a freshman... that is great in my book. I guess it just seems to be a term that is tossed around a little to easy. Funny thing, JT had a similar record last year and people cracked him for not being able to adjust to the college style. He was like 21-13 but he wrestled pretty much every top 10 guy along the way, I think RR has wrestled 2 or 3 of them.
What does everybody think about the no TD points for Miller vs. Realbuto ... and the committee's failure? to correct it.
Personally - I think it's bunk. I realize the coaching staff should have recognized the points weren't awarded & questioned it ... but no more than the referee should have awarded the points - the TD was unquestionable.
The committee official said that they could have rendered any number of decisions - but felt there was a system for the coaches to use to challenge ... but they did not. I think the purpose of the challenge is for the coach to ask the referee to see if he missed seeing something the coach did (or hoped he did) - the point being that there should be some action on the part of the wrestlers that is in question ... not on the accuracy of the scoring. If the committe couldn't correct that ... what might they correct. The kid that clearly won ... lost.
Quote from: neutral on March 20, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
What does everybody think about the no TD points for Miller vs. Realbuto ... and the committee's failure? to correct it.
Personally - I think it's bunk. I realize the coaching staff should have recognized the points weren't awarded & questioned it ... but no more than the referee should have awarded the points - the TD was unquestionable.
The committee official said that they could have rendered any number of decisions - but felt there was a system for the coaches to use to challenge ... but they did not. I think the purpose of the challenge is for the coach to ask the referee to see if he missed seeing something the coach did (or hoped he did) - the point being that there should be some action on the part of the wrestlers that is in question ... not on the accuracy of the scoring. If the committe couldn't correct that ... what might they correct. The kid that clearly won ... lost.
Saw an interview with the coach, he said he questioned if the score was right and both refs told him yes, sit down and start the OT. He said he didn't push it but apparently he should have. The NCAA Committee guy I saw interviewed by FLO sounded like a politician and FLO wasn't cutting him any slack, flat out saying this makes no sense, he just kept repeating that there was a system in place for the coach to challenge it and he didn't.
Quote from: Goat Roper on March 20, 2015, 07:25:38 PM
Jag,
Please find another avenue of enjoyment than bashing the Badgers. Why don't you paint the bathroom and watch the paint dry. Your posts are getting old.
show me where in this thread I really bashed the badgers? Is it because I question things that bothers you? It is because I don't blindly follow the direction of the team? Is it because I question the coach? Is it because I want them to be better? I really don't bash them, I talk about real thoughts and ideas and I don't sugarcoat it. I don't see how I have bashed them except to say I don't want to except the same finish we averaged for the last 20 years, if that is bashing you have very thin skin.
Quote from: imwi on March 20, 2015, 08:55:21 PM
Quote from: neutral on March 20, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
What does everybody think about the no TD points for Miller vs. Realbuto ... and the committee's failure? to correct it.
Personally - I think it's bunk. I realize the coaching staff should have recognized the points weren't awarded & questioned it ... but no more than the referee should have awarded the points - the TD was unquestionable.
The committee official said that they could have rendered any number of decisions - but felt there was a system for the coaches to use to challenge ... but they did not. I think the purpose of the challenge is for the coach to ask the referee to see if he missed seeing something the coach did (or hoped he did) - the point being that there should be some action on the part of the wrestlers that is in question ... not on the accuracy of the scoring. If the committe couldn't correct that ... what might they correct. The kid that clearly won ... lost.
Saw an interview with the coach, he said he questioned if the score was right and both refs told him yes, sit down and start the OT. He said he didn't push it but apparently he should have. The NCAA Committee guy I saw interviewed by FLO sounded like a politician and FLO wasn't cutting him any slack, flat out saying this makes no sense, he just kept repeating that there was a system in place for the coach to challenge it and he didn't.
far as Im concerned once they move on in the match it is over, once the next match starts it is really over. the time to question the call is during the match.
Anxious to see what Jordan brings here. If he wins he has to face cousin Bo
Seems like guys were getting in on his legs all day.
16th place now. 3 All Americans
133 #2 Taylor wrestles Bruno from Michigan for 7th
165 #3 Jordan wrestles #10 Wilson from Stanford for 7th
285 #5 Medbery wrestles #3 Telford with win getting him to wrestle for 3rd. Other guys lefts in consolations are #2 McMullan from Northwestern and #8 Lawson from Penn St so all Big Ten guys. Coon of Michigan made the finals
All three of our all Americans won by sudden victory, for which I brought them luck.
Thank you Sudden Victory !! ;D
After looking at the bracket this morning, if Ricky is on the other side of the bracket he is probably an all-american this morning like Dudley who he beat a couple times. That side of the bracket was just easier. Luck can have a lot to do with who is an all american and who isn't.
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 20, 2015, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Manty77 on March 20, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 20, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
Quote from: stbird on March 20, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Agreed! He was so tough I kind of just assumed he'd be an all american this year.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on March 20, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Ricky Robertson had a great season also... In fact, an awesome year for the redshirt freshman... Top 16 as well...
After awhile, it was easy to take for granted how good he was ... he was solid and consistent all year long !!
Not trying to be a jerk but might I ask why?
Did he beat any wrestler ranked in the top 8 or 9 this season?
Since you aren't being a jerk I'll give you a non-sarcastic answer.
I think RR's final record was 27-10. Winning 27 matches is huge. He had several wins over Bernstein, who is a former AA. He knocked off Dudley several times, who can be very dangerous and is currently just 1 win away from becoming an AA. He also beat Niko Reyes, who is no slouch. He lost a SV victory to Avery, who has secured AA status this year, and he lost a 8-7 match to Zillmer, who also is just 1 win away from being a '15 AA.
And, even though it's not part of the college season, RR is the reigning National JR Fila champion. He won that with a bracket that included Brooks and Pfarr.
So, by any measure, RR had a great season. I think once he adds a little more muscle, he'll be a beast.
I wasn't saying he didn't have a very good year, I wouldn't say great as a great season for a fresh is an AA or better in my book. He did have a very good year, but to be an AA you generally need to beat the top guys and he hasn't really done that so far this year he is beating the 12-20 ranked guys on a somewhat regular basis and that is very good but that doesn't make you an AA. So many thought he had a real shot this season and I really though he was at least a year out unless he really turned it up big time this weekend. He has a very bright future but is still a step behind but being a step behind as a freshman is very good because many are 3-4 steps behind. iMart is having a great year for a freshman... that is great in my book. I guess it just seems to be a term that is tossed around a little to easy. Funny thing, JT had a similar record last year and people cracked him for not being able to adjust to the college style. He was like 21-13 but he wrestled pretty much every top 10 guy along the way, I think RR has wrestled 2 or 3 of them.
Some general comments ... not (necessarily) specific to the Badgers.
I'm getting tired of watching so many matches going into the 2nd period 0-0, 2-0, 2-1.
They give the guys 3 minutes on their feet ... during which (in many cases ... nothing much happens) - then they exchange escapes ... and head to overtime.
Unless they are going to be more aggresive with warning/calling stalling in the first period ... I see no reason for it being 3 minutes. Go 2-2-2 and get on with overtime.
I'd also like to see more aggressive warning/calling stalling on the top guy. I see much more of guys working to get out ... than guys working to turn. I know some of the refs do a good job of calling stalemates - but a good rider will take that all day long ... it still amounts to riding time. Maybe getting rid of riding time would help. You want to score from the top ... turn the guy.
Also, also - the way to grow interest in the sport is to make it (well) more interesting. Nobody who is not a wrestler can comprehend our interest in NCAA championship caliber wrestling. Anybody can sit down to any NCAA basketball game understand the attraction.
Lastlly - I wish they'd cut out the hand to the head poking - it serves no purpose other than distraction ... and possible eye injuries. It is not an offensive, defensive, or neutral activity. Otherwise - why not allow spitting an well ... it has no less relavance to wrestling than the head poke.
I said it last year and I will say it again. They need to reward offensive action. If you initiate a shot that ends in a stalemate you should be awarded a point. This would push the defensive wrestler to try harder to get out of stalemate situation rather than just hanging and would likely lead to some exciting scrambles and taking chances.
Rather than only looking at penalizing the inactive wrestler with stalling, reward the active offensive wrestler.
One other crazy idea is to reward action at end of periods rather than just wasting the last 15-20 seconds of every period watching the clock. Maybe you get a bonus point for finishing a takedown in the last 15 seconds!
It seems as though the overwhelming majority of wrestling fans agree that rules need to be changed to reward offense. I can only speculate that the powers that be are simply traditionalist who don't want to consider change. I am not even sure that those with the power to enact rule changes are even having these discussions. What I do know is our sport has never had a better opportunity to attract new fans as wrestling is more available than ever before. ESPN is now covering every single match via the Internet, & every session of action on their actual channels. I was at a BW3s last night & wrestling was on multiple TVs. Granted it was most likely due to the fact they simply left ESPN on & no one asked them to change it, but it was still available to all of the eyes in the place. If the casual fan saw more throws, shots, scrambles I am sure it would appear as a more exciting competition to an outsider. The reality is, even wrestling fans are bored by many college matches which have more in common with slow dancing than freestyle wrestling.
Freestyle has already solved the problem of stalling on feet: award 1 point for a pushout. It works. It forces the wrestling action to center of mat, rewards aggression. Why not just adopt that freestyle rule? Maybe there is a good reason, but I tend to think it is clinging to the old ways.
So much of this tournament was guys playing the edge of the mat when they got ahead.
Telling refs to just call stalling more hasn't work. This year was supposed to be different, with more points awarded with guys backing out. The stalling rule places too much burden on refs to decide matches in ambiguous situations. You need a more fundamental and objective change to the rules.
Looks like a 17th place finish for the Badgers assuming NC State HWT will win title tonight. There certainly was not much talk on here prior to the tournament in regards to the possibility of finishing that low.
17th may not seem that disappointing to some when they try to compare to other sports but I certainly do not like too look at the names of some of the programs finishing higher than the Badgers. They really should not be able to compete at the level of Wisconsin. I am not smart enough to figure out whether the people inside the program need adjustment or whether the university itself needs to invest more into the program.
Doc, if you go back to the beginning of the season you would have seen several predictions for a 16-20 finish. Some people got a bit over excited based on dual meet record, and some quality wrestling at B1G. So we probably finished about where we belong.
After watching the tournament, I think you can throw out seeds, you have a good idea how each individual wrestler compared to the competition.
Can't be disappointed about Medberry's finish. Sure, he coulda finished as high as 2, but he is not significantly better than a couple guys behind him either.
Zeke and Taylor slightly underperformed, they coulda shoulda been a couple notches higher.
Ricky Robertson could have all-Americaned if had gotten better draws, he's better than a couple of the AAs.
So .... not a great performance. But also not that far from their ceiling. A lot of good wrestling from the Badgers, not a flop at all. I'm impressed with the talent level across the final 16, some wrestlers are far better than their record, they are peaking. Zeke losing to Taylor Walsh sucked, but it's not like Walsh isn't a top tier guy.
Badgers have only 1 senior qualifier, right? Cousins. So should be more progress next year.
edit: forgot about McCall
So we are all good with 16th? When our seeds said 8th?
Really looking forward to next year with the great recruiting class we have.
I do not think the Badgers finish in 16th place.
I will predict 17th place.
Quote from: billymurphy on March 21, 2015, 05:11:33 PM
I do not think the Badgers finish in 16th place.
I will predict 17th place.
ooops I forgot we could lose a spot.
Quote from: Huckfinn on March 21, 2015, 04:37:39 PM
After watching the tournament, I think you can throw out seeds, you have a good idea how each individual wrestler compared to the competition.
Can't be disappointed about Medberry's finish. Sure, he coulda finished as high as 2, but he is not significantly better than a couple guys behind him either.
Zeke and Taylor slightly underperformed, they coulda shoulda been a couple notches higher.
Ricky Robertson could have all-Americaned if had gotten better draws, he's better than a couple of the AAs.
So .... not a great performance. But also not that far from their ceiling. A lot of good wrestling from the Badgers, not a flop at all. I'm impressed with the talent level across the final 16, some wrestlers are far better than their record, they are peaking. Zeke losing to Taylor Walsh sucked, but it's not like Walsh isn't a top tier guy.
Badgers have only 1 senior qualifier, right? Cousins. So should be more progress next year.
edit: forgot about McCall
I really don't disagree with you at all. But you speak of how we could have done better and I agree. But both Taylor and Jordan also needed overtime victories to become All-Americans and Medbery got an overtime victory in quarterfinals. The badgers were just as close to having no All-Americans. Things could have been better but also could have been worse. That is the NCAA tourney. Wrestle it next weekend and results would be different for everyone (unless you are stieber or Dieringer ;)). To get into the top 10 you need depth because it always happens where some underperform and others out-perform. Ohio St has had both
Oh boy those two are something else.
Quote from: Brett Favre on March 21, 2015, 05:01:44 PM
Really looking forward to next year with the great recruiting class we have.
Last year was the year we where waiting for, then that didn't work out so it turned into this year was our year... no we finished lower in both B1G and maybe lower in NCAA's and we are now talking about looking forward to next year as our year.... people give me a hard time because I want to be better, they can feel great about 16th or 17th or 18th or whatever we will be, I think we could have been better, I believe half our team did not perform at or above their potential and that is on the coaches if you ask me. PSU lost like 5 or 6 AA's from last year and are still 6th because they get the most out of their talent.
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 21, 2015, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: Brett Favre on March 21, 2015, 05:01:44 PM
Really looking forward to next year with the great recruiting class we have.
Last year was the year we where waiting for, then that didn't work out so it turned into this year was our year... no we finished lower in both B1G and maybe lower in NCAA's and we are now talking about looking forward to next year as our year.... people give me a hard time because I want to be better, they can feel great about 16th or 17th or 18th or whatever we will be, I think we could have been better, I believe half our team did not perform at or above their potential and that is on the coaches if you ask me. PSU lost like 5 or 6 AA's from last year and are still 6th because they get the most out of their talent.
I don't think anybody is happy with a 16th-17th place finish ... especially not the team. If they are ...
then we have something to worry about - but they're the only ones who can do something about it ... so what difference does it make if we're happy with it or not.
We can either support them ... and look for the positives - or nit-pick them ... and pretend that focusing on the negatives is supporting them. Everything is not rosy. They could have done better. Everything is not bleak. They could have done worse. There is reason to look forward to next year with optimism ... which is what fans do.
Jag, I agree with you...which I usually do.
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 21, 2015, 06:12:29 PMThe badgers were just as close to having no All-Americans. Things could have been better but also could have been worse. That is the NCAA tourney. Wrestle it next weekend and results would be different for everyone (unless you are stieber or Dieringer ;)).
Ya, this is kinda what I was getting at. Taylor and Zeke were 2 seeds, if memory serves. But all that really meant was they were among about about 6 elite wrestlers. Those guys wrestle a round robin, and they knock each other off unpredictably.
Was listening to Billy Baldwin remark during NCAAs tonight that the talent gets better every year, and there is MUCH more parity than back in 70s. This in line with my comment of how consistently good the first cut of 16 guys were, and especially the round of 12.