Hamiti NCAA seed

[littleguy301]

Hamiti got seeded fifth and he'd have to get by both Carr and KOT to make finals.  That's a terrible draw.  The sixth seed would have been much better as Ramirez and Messenbrink is much easier path to finals.

I don't call it a terrible draw at all. Regardless DJ would to had to beat a combo or tri fecta of KOT, Carr, Mitchel, Ramirez, Amine or some one else that had a tournament. So no matter where your seeded you still have to beat some/several studs to stand on top!

So let's stop worrying about the seed and go out and wrestle above that seed!

BS.  The draw was as horrible as possible and I have heard others complaining about it too.  Hamiti can't beat Carr or KOT.  He hasn't even been in a competitive match with those two.  I think he has a chance against everyone else although he's never beat Cam Amine or Mesenbrink.  Horrible Horrible Draw.  Iowa was gifted an easy draw.  Caliendo isn't a top 4 guy but he got an easy draw in Julian Ramirez who was an incredibly weak 3 seed (Dean destroyed him multiple times and he looked terrible against Caliendo, but he lucked into a three seed by a flukey one point win over Carr who decisively beat Ramirez before).

To make matters worse, Dean will now have to beat Olejnik who he lost to in his last match just to AA.

100% agree. Don't forget that Ramirez ducked Carr in the dual which they did not hold against him in the seeding which is awful. I think DJ beats Olejnik fairly handily tonight. He has beat him every time with the exception of the exhibition match and Olejnik stalled and wrestled the edge really badly. I do not think he will get away with that again. Either way 1 of those 2 will not AA which is a shame because I think they are both top 8 guys. If this was seeded correctly it would be Ramirez Olejnik in the blood round.

DJ has a decent path to the 3rd place match and a rematch with Carr. At least Amine is on the other side so we will not have to see that stall fest until possibly in a placement match. If I have to watch anymore Will Lewan or Cam Amine I think I will start watching soccer or bowling! 

Rooting for Hall to take out Ramirez in the blood round too!

Man, in order to win a natty your going to have to beat some one. Whine and complain all you want but where was he going to be seeded.

22 and 2
Second in big ten

10 seed?

Well, realistically Dean was never going to win it all if that meant beating KOT or Carr, but if he got the right draws he could have made finals.  So yes, he got as bad a draw as possible for Dean. Matchups do MATTER or don't you understand.  Sometimes Guy A (Hamiti) beats Guy B (Ramirez) who can beat Guy C someone Dean always loses too. Would you rather face Guy B or Guy C if placing as high as possible matters.  What ticks me off is how easy a draw Caliendo of Iowa got.  If Dean got Ramirez, I would expect he would have beat him again and get into the semis and face Mesenbrink who he was able to score on.  Then he got the worst draw on his first match on the backside, the only guy who had beaten him before that was waiting in the blood rounds.  So bad draw again. So it sucks twice because I wanted Dean to improve on his 6th place finishes the past two years and I hate Iowa.  So there!

I get about match ups!

Did any hear what Cael said about Carter S draw?

That is the additude I love to hear! I get match ups so well but bottom line if your going to be the best you need to beat the best, do you understand that?

Don't even compare Dean with Carter!  Carter has multiple titles and is the best 174 pounder and was knocked in seeding because of injury defaults.  Carter can beat anyone and has proven it.  Unfortunately, Dean hasn't shown he can beat the elite guys at his weight.  Again, it was a horrible draw for Dean and Dean didn't overcome his bad draw.

Not comparing DJ to Carter just what Cael said.

Just go out and wrestle the matches one by one, do it at the best of your ability and let the chips fall. Gomez got a much worse seed and he seemed to wrestle well.

DJ is a treasure for the Badgers, has to win to get the better seeds, that is the bottom line!

Carr got a bad seed in my mind but he got it done.

Of course, you wrestle who is ever in front of you and try to get it done.  There has never been any argument from me about that.  But you said Dean didn't get a bad draw, and I 100% disagree with that.  People in various different wrestling forums discuss whether someone got a bad or good draw.  I guess you think they are all delusional.

Like I asked before what should he have been? Simple question, in your eyes what should he have been?

22 and 2
2nd in Big Ten

10 seed would that have been better, what should he have been?

I've never argued against his seeding.  Seeds aren't necessarily based on who is best, but are decided by forumula or criteria established by committee. Nobody thinks Carter Starocci is only 9th best guy at his weight. And I don't think many would say Ramirez is third best.  I continue to say Dean ended up having to go thru Carr, KOT and the winner of the bottom bracket to win it all and that was an incredibly tough road.  And when he lost to Carr, he had to face the one guy waiting in consolations who beat him.  This was a horrible draw.  As I said before, Dean would have likely done better with a worse seeding that put him on the bottom half of the bracket.  He'd have a better chance against Ramirez (who he's never lost to) than Carr (who he's never beaten).  If he made it past Ramirez, he'd get Mesenbrink, who I think he wrestled much closer than KOT.  He'd still have to face a stud in the finals, but at least he had a viable path to the finals if he avoided KOT and Carr.  Instead, his terrible draw and his inability to overcome Carr and Olejnik, caused him to not even AA.  It's still on Dean for not AAing, but the draws didn't help him at all.

Never argue his seed but go on and on about a bad draw! Seriously!

If hamiti is.back.next year have the coaching staff sit him out a couple of top duals matches and maybe cut his match total down to like 14. That should be able to maybe get the draw that has a path to the finals!

Everyone has a tough path, think Carr had fans out there complaining that he got a bad draw having to beat both Hamiti and KOT to get to the finals?

You win, it is all about the seed so let's complain about the seed.

[Numbers]

Well DJ lost two key matches this year.

He was not able to close out the Big Ten Championship match.

He was not able to close out periods on top vs Oklahoma State.

Sucks that many will remember the lows when he is such a talented and exciting wrestler.

[BadgerOne]

Hamiti got seeded fifth and he'd have to get by both Carr and KOT to make finals.  That's a terrible draw.  The sixth seed would have been much better as Ramirez and Messenbrink is much easier path to finals.

I don't call it a terrible draw at all. Regardless DJ would to had to beat a combo or tri fecta of KOT, Carr, Mitchel, Ramirez, Amine or some one else that had a tournament. So no matter where your seeded you still have to beat some/several studs to stand on top!

So let's stop worrying about the seed and go out and wrestle above that seed!

You don't think its a "terrible draw at all".  My only gripe with your posts in this thread is that statement.  If you think Dean's draw wasn't terrible, then fine, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

[BadgerOne]

Hamiti got seeded fifth and he'd have to get by both Carr and KOT to make finals.  That's a terrible draw.  The sixth seed would have been much better as Ramirez and Messenbrink is much easier path to finals.

I don't call it a terrible draw at all. Regardless DJ would to had to beat a combo or tri fecta of KOT, Carr, Mitchel, Ramirez, Amine or some one else that had a tournament. So no matter where your seeded you still have to beat some/several studs to stand on top!

So let's stop worrying about the seed and go out and wrestle above that seed!

BS.  The draw was as horrible as possible and I have heard others complaining about it too.  Hamiti can't beat Carr or KOT.  He hasn't even been in a competitive match with those two.  I think he has a chance against everyone else although he's never beat Cam Amine or Mesenbrink.  Horrible Horrible Draw.  Iowa was gifted an easy draw.  Caliendo isn't a top 4 guy but he got an easy draw in Julian Ramirez who was an incredibly weak 3 seed (Dean destroyed him multiple times and he looked terrible against Caliendo, but he lucked into a three seed by a flukey one point win over Carr who decisively beat Ramirez before).

To make matters worse, Dean will now have to beat Olejnik who he lost to in his last match just to AA.

100% agree. Don't forget that Ramirez ducked Carr in the dual which they did not hold against him in the seeding which is awful. I think DJ beats Olejnik fairly handily tonight. He has beat him every time with the exception of the exhibition match and Olejnik stalled and wrestled the edge really badly. I do not think he will get away with that again. Either way 1 of those 2 will not AA which is a shame because I think they are both top 8 guys. If this was seeded correctly it would be Ramirez Olejnik in the blood round.

DJ has a decent path to the 3rd place match and a rematch with Carr. At least Amine is on the other side so we will not have to see that stall fest until possibly in a placement match. If I have to watch anymore Will Lewan or Cam Amine I think I will start watching soccer or bowling! 

Rooting for Hall to take out Ramirez in the blood round too!

Man, in order to win a natty your going to have to beat some one. Whine and complain all you want but where was he going to be seeded.

22 and 2
Second in big ten

10 seed?

Well, realistically Dean was never going to win it all if that meant beating KOT or Carr, but if he got the right draws he could have made finals.  So yes, he got as bad a draw as possible for Dean. Matchups do MATTER or don't you understand.  Sometimes Guy A (Hamiti) beats Guy B (Ramirez) who can beat Guy C someone Dean always loses too. Would you rather face Guy B or Guy C if placing as high as possible matters.  What ticks me off is how easy a draw Caliendo of Iowa got.  If Dean got Ramirez, I would expect he would have beat him again and get into the semis and face Mesenbrink who he was able to score on.  Then he got the worst draw on his first match on the backside, the only guy who had beaten him before that was waiting in the blood rounds.  So bad draw again. So it sucks twice because I wanted Dean to improve on his 6th place finishes the past two years and I hate Iowa.  So there!

I get about match ups!

Did any hear what Cael said about Carter S draw?

That is the additude I love to hear! I get match ups so well but bottom line if your going to be the best you need to beat the best, do you understand that?

Don't even compare Dean with Carter!  Carter has multiple titles and is the best 174 pounder and was knocked in seeding because of injury defaults.  Carter can beat anyone and has proven it.  Unfortunately, Dean hasn't shown he can beat the elite guys at his weight.  Again, it was a horrible draw for Dean and Dean didn't overcome his bad draw.

Not comparing DJ to Carter just what Cael said.

Just go out and wrestle the matches one by one, do it at the best of your ability and let the chips fall. Gomez got a much worse seed and he seemed to wrestle well.

DJ is a treasure for the Badgers, has to win to get the better seeds, that is the bottom line!

Carr got a bad seed in my mind but he got it done.

Of course, you wrestle who is ever in front of you and try to get it done.  There has never been any argument from me about that.  But you said Dean didn't get a bad draw, and I 100% disagree with that.  People in various different wrestling forums discuss whether someone got a bad or good draw.  I guess you think they are all delusional.

Like I asked before what should he have been? Simple question, in your eyes what should he have been?

22 and 2
2nd in Big Ten

10 seed would that have been better, what should he have been?

I've never argued against his seeding.  Seeds aren't necessarily based on who is best, but are decided by forumula or criteria established by committee. Nobody thinks Carter Starocci is only 9th best guy at his weight. And I don't think many would say Ramirez is third best.  I continue to say Dean ended up having to go thru Carr, KOT and the winner of the bottom bracket to win it all and that was an incredibly tough road.  And when he lost to Carr, he had to face the one guy waiting in consolations who beat him.  This was a horrible draw.  As I said before, Dean would have likely done better with a worse seeding that put him on the bottom half of the bracket.  He'd have a better chance against Ramirez (who he's never lost to) than Carr (who he's never beaten).  If he made it past Ramirez, he'd get Mesenbrink, who I think he wrestled much closer than KOT.  He'd still have to face a stud in the finals, but at least he had a viable path to the finals if he avoided KOT and Carr.  Instead, his terrible draw and his inability to overcome Carr and Olejnik, caused him to not even AA.  It's still on Dean for not AAing, but the draws didn't help him at all.

Never argue his seed but go on and on about a bad draw! Seriously!

If hamiti is.back.next year have the coaching staff sit him out a couple of top duals matches and maybe cut his match total down to like 14. That should be able to maybe get the draw that has a path to the finals!

Everyone has a tough path, think Carr had fans out there complaining that he got a bad draw having to beat both Hamiti and KOT to get to the finals?

You win, it is all about the seed so let's complain about the seed.

I would never advocate that and I've never said what you posted.  I don't like it when guys sit to preserve seeding.  No, Carr fans love when Carr faces Hamiti (its a good draw for him), he's gotten a win every time. 

[hammer]

Let's look at the 165 bracket.

KOT seeded 1st and got 3rd
Mitchell seeded 2nd got 2nd
Ramirez seeded 3rd DNP
iowa seeded 6th got 4th
OK ST seeded 7th got 5th
Garvin seeded 20th got 6th
Hall seeded 9th got 7th
Taylor seeded 8th got 8th

5 of the players in the top half and 3 in the bottom half.

[bigoil]

Lg and Badger - ever hear the adage two things can be true..... you are both right.

[littleguy301]

Hamiti got seeded fifth and he'd have to get by both Carr and KOT to make finals.  That's a terrible draw.  The sixth seed would have been much better as Ramirez and Messenbrink is much easier path to finals.

I don't call it a terrible draw at all. Regardless DJ would to had to beat a combo or tri fecta of KOT, Carr, Mitchel, Ramirez, Amine or some one else that had a tournament. So no matter where your seeded you still have to beat some/several studs to stand on top!

So let's stop worrying about the seed and go out and wrestle above that seed!

BS.  The draw was as horrible as possible and I have heard others complaining about it too.  Hamiti can't beat Carr or KOT.  He hasn't even been in a competitive match with those two.  I think he has a chance against everyone else although he's never beat Cam Amine or Mesenbrink.  Horrible Horrible Draw.  Iowa was gifted an easy draw.  Caliendo isn't a top 4 guy but he got an easy draw in Julian Ramirez who was an incredibly weak 3 seed (Dean destroyed him multiple times and he looked terrible against Caliendo, but he lucked into a three seed by a flukey one point win over Carr who decisively beat Ramirez before).

To make matters worse, Dean will now have to beat Olejnik who he lost to in his last match just to AA.

100% agree. Don't forget that Ramirez ducked Carr in the dual which they did not hold against him in the seeding which is awful. I think DJ beats Olejnik fairly handily tonight. He has beat him every time with the exception of the exhibition match and Olejnik stalled and wrestled the edge really badly. I do not think he will get away with that again. Either way 1 of those 2 will not AA which is a shame because I think they are both top 8 guys. If this was seeded correctly it would be Ramirez Olejnik in the blood round.

DJ has a decent path to the 3rd place match and a rematch with Carr. At least Amine is on the other side so we will not have to see that stall fest until possibly in a placement match. If I have to watch anymore Will Lewan or Cam Amine I think I will start watching soccer or bowling! 

Rooting for Hall to take out Ramirez in the blood round too!

Man, in order to win a natty your going to have to beat some one. Whine and complain all you want but where was he going to be seeded.

22 and 2
Second in big ten

10 seed?

Well, realistically Dean was never going to win it all if that meant beating KOT or Carr, but if he got the right draws he could have made finals.  So yes, he got as bad a draw as possible for Dean. Matchups do MATTER or don't you understand.  Sometimes Guy A (Hamiti) beats Guy B (Ramirez) who can beat Guy C someone Dean always loses too. Would you rather face Guy B or Guy C if placing as high as possible matters.  What ticks me off is how easy a draw Caliendo of Iowa got.  If Dean got Ramirez, I would expect he would have beat him again and get into the semis and face Mesenbrink who he was able to score on.  Then he got the worst draw on his first match on the backside, the only guy who had beaten him before that was waiting in the blood rounds.  So bad draw again. So it sucks twice because I wanted Dean to improve on his 6th place finishes the past two years and I hate Iowa.  So there!

I get about match ups!

Did any hear what Cael said about Carter S draw?

That is the additude I love to hear! I get match ups so well but bottom line if your going to be the best you need to beat the best, do you understand that?

Don't even compare Dean with Carter!  Carter has multiple titles and is the best 174 pounder and was knocked in seeding because of injury defaults.  Carter can beat anyone and has proven it.  Unfortunately, Dean hasn't shown he can beat the elite guys at his weight.  Again, it was a horrible draw for Dean and Dean didn't overcome his bad draw.

Not comparing DJ to Carter just what Cael said.

Just go out and wrestle the matches one by one, do it at the best of your ability and let the chips fall. Gomez got a much worse seed and he seemed to wrestle well.

DJ is a treasure for the Badgers, has to win to get the better seeds, that is the bottom line!

Carr got a bad seed in my mind but he got it done.

Of course, you wrestle who is ever in front of you and try to get it done.  There has never been any argument from me about that.  But you said Dean didn't get a bad draw, and I 100% disagree with that.  People in various different wrestling forums discuss whether someone got a bad or good draw.  I guess you think they are all delusional.

Like I asked before what should he have been? Simple question, in your eyes what should he have been?

22 and 2
2nd in Big Ten

10 seed would that have been better, what should he have been?

I've never argued against his seeding.  Seeds aren't necessarily based on who is best, but are decided by forumula or criteria established by committee. Nobody thinks Carter Starocci is only 9th best guy at his weight. And I don't think many would say Ramirez is third best.  I continue to say Dean ended up having to go thru Carr, KOT and the winner of the bottom bracket to win it all and that was an incredibly tough road.  And when he lost to Carr, he had to face the one guy waiting in consolations who beat him.  This was a horrible draw.  As I said before, Dean would have likely done better with a worse seeding that put him on the bottom half of the bracket.  He'd have a better chance against Ramirez (who he's never lost to) than Carr (who he's never beaten).  If he made it past Ramirez, he'd get Mesenbrink, who I think he wrestled much closer than KOT.  He'd still have to face a stud in the finals, but at least he had a viable path to the finals if he avoided KOT and Carr.  Instead, his terrible draw and his inability to overcome Carr and Olejnik, caused him to not even AA.  It's still on Dean for not AAing, but the draws didn't help him at all.

Never argue his seed but go on and on about a bad draw! Seriously!

If hamiti is.back.next year have the coaching staff sit him out a couple of top duals matches and maybe cut his match total down to like 14. That should be able to maybe get the draw that has a path to the finals!

Everyone has a tough path, think Carr had fans out there complaining that he got a bad draw having to beat both Hamiti and KOT to get to the finals?

You win, it is all about the seed so let's complain about the seed.

I would never advocate that and I've never said what you posted.  I don't like it when guys sit to preserve seeding.  No, Carr fans love when Carr faces Hamiti (its a good draw for him), he's gotten a win every time. 

Then what are you saying? Where did you want Hamiti seeded to have a 'easier path to the finals?

Where? Where? Where? If you want him lower better sit him out some and maybe FF a somewhere in there or for a high seed then sit him out against a for sure loss or have Dean beat someone you feel he shouldn't.

Never said you were saying those things. I am showing you your options for a different seed! So you can say what seed Hamiti should have been!

[littleguy301]

Hamiti I just heard is in portal.

[hornbuckleb]

Hamiti I just heard is in portal.

with a do not contact

[harley25]

It is confirmed that Hamati has entered the portal

[onwisconsin]

All credit to Eric Barnett for staying. He did have a great practice partner with Seth Gross. I thank Eric for being able to watch him for 6 years.

That being said having your #1 and/or #2 wrestler leave in 2023 (Gomez) and now having your #1 wrestler leave in 2024 is unacceptable. Extremely disappointing. 

[BadgerOne]

Hamiti got seeded fifth and he'd have to get by both Carr and KOT to make finals.  That's a terrible draw.  The sixth seed would have been much better as Ramirez and Messenbrink is much easier path to finals.

I don't call it a terrible draw at all. Regardless DJ would to had to beat a combo or tri fecta of KOT, Carr, Mitchel, Ramirez, Amine or some one else that had a tournament. So no matter where your seeded you still have to beat some/several studs to stand on top!

So let's stop worrying about the seed and go out and wrestle above that seed!

BS.  The draw was as horrible as possible and I have heard others complaining about it too.  Hamiti can't beat Carr or KOT.  He hasn't even been in a competitive match with those two.  I think he has a chance against everyone else although he's never beat Cam Amine or Mesenbrink.  Horrible Horrible Draw.  Iowa was gifted an easy draw.  Caliendo isn't a top 4 guy but he got an easy draw in Julian Ramirez who was an incredibly weak 3 seed (Dean destroyed him multiple times and he looked terrible against Caliendo, but he lucked into a three seed by a flukey one point win over Carr who decisively beat Ramirez before).

To make matters worse, Dean will now have to beat Olejnik who he lost to in his last match just to AA.

100% agree. Don't forget that Ramirez ducked Carr in the dual which they did not hold against him in the seeding which is awful. I think DJ beats Olejnik fairly handily tonight. He has beat him every time with the exception of the exhibition match and Olejnik stalled and wrestled the edge really badly. I do not think he will get away with that again. Either way 1 of those 2 will not AA which is a shame because I think they are both top 8 guys. If this was seeded correctly it would be Ramirez Olejnik in the blood round.

DJ has a decent path to the 3rd place match and a rematch with Carr. At least Amine is on the other side so we will not have to see that stall fest until possibly in a placement match. If I have to watch anymore Will Lewan or Cam Amine I think I will start watching soccer or bowling! 

Rooting for Hall to take out Ramirez in the blood round too!

Man, in order to win a natty your going to have to beat some one. Whine and complain all you want but where was he going to be seeded.

22 and 2
Second in big ten

10 seed?

Well, realistically Dean was never going to win it all if that meant beating KOT or Carr, but if he got the right draws he could have made finals.  So yes, he got as bad a draw as possible for Dean. Matchups do MATTER or don't you understand.  Sometimes Guy A (Hamiti) beats Guy B (Ramirez) who can beat Guy C someone Dean always loses too. Would you rather face Guy B or Guy C if placing as high as possible matters.  What ticks me off is how easy a draw Caliendo of Iowa got.  If Dean got Ramirez, I would expect he would have beat him again and get into the semis and face Mesenbrink who he was able to score on.  Then he got the worst draw on his first match on the backside, the only guy who had beaten him before that was waiting in the blood rounds.  So bad draw again. So it sucks twice because I wanted Dean to improve on his 6th place finishes the past two years and I hate Iowa.  So there!

I get about match ups!

Did any hear what Cael said about Carter S draw?

That is the additude I love to hear! I get match ups so well but bottom line if your going to be the best you need to beat the best, do you understand that?

Don't even compare Dean with Carter!  Carter has multiple titles and is the best 174 pounder and was knocked in seeding because of injury defaults.  Carter can beat anyone and has proven it.  Unfortunately, Dean hasn't shown he can beat the elite guys at his weight.  Again, it was a horrible draw for Dean and Dean didn't overcome his bad draw.

Not comparing DJ to Carter just what Cael said.

Just go out and wrestle the matches one by one, do it at the best of your ability and let the chips fall. Gomez got a much worse seed and he seemed to wrestle well.

DJ is a treasure for the Badgers, has to win to get the better seeds, that is the bottom line!

Carr got a bad seed in my mind but he got it done.

Of course, you wrestle who is ever in front of you and try to get it done.  There has never been any argument from me about that.  But you said Dean didn't get a bad draw, and I 100% disagree with that.  People in various different wrestling forums discuss whether someone got a bad or good draw.  I guess you think they are all delusional.

Like I asked before what should he have been? Simple question, in your eyes what should he have been?

22 and 2
2nd in Big Ten

10 seed would that have been better, what should he have been?

I've never argued against his seeding.  Seeds aren't necessarily based on who is best, but are decided by forumula or criteria established by committee. Nobody thinks Carter Starocci is only 9th best guy at his weight. And I don't think many would say Ramirez is third best.  I continue to say Dean ended up having to go thru Carr, KOT and the winner of the bottom bracket to win it all and that was an incredibly tough road.  And when he lost to Carr, he had to face the one guy waiting in consolations who beat him.  This was a horrible draw.  As I said before, Dean would have likely done better with a worse seeding that put him on the bottom half of the bracket.  He'd have a better chance against Ramirez (who he's never lost to) than Carr (who he's never beaten).  If he made it past Ramirez, he'd get Mesenbrink, who I think he wrestled much closer than KOT.  He'd still have to face a stud in the finals, but at least he had a viable path to the finals if he avoided KOT and Carr.  Instead, his terrible draw and his inability to overcome Carr and Olejnik, caused him to not even AA.  It's still on Dean for not AAing, but the draws didn't help him at all.

Never argue his seed but go on and on about a bad draw! Seriously!

If hamiti is.back.next year have the coaching staff sit him out a couple of top duals matches and maybe cut his match total down to like 14. That should be able to maybe get the draw that has a path to the finals!

Everyone has a tough path, think Carr had fans out there complaining that he got a bad draw having to beat both Hamiti and KOT to get to the finals?

You win, it is all about the seed so let's complain about the seed.

I would never advocate that and I've never said what you posted.  I don't like it when guys sit to preserve seeding.  No, Carr fans love when Carr faces Hamiti (its a good draw for him), he's gotten a win every time. 

Then what are you saying? Where did you want Hamiti seeded to have a 'easier path to the finals?

Where? Where? Where? If you want him lower better sit him out some and maybe FF a somewhere in there or for a high seed then sit him out against a for sure loss or have Dean beat someone you feel he shouldn't.

Never said you were saying those things. I am showing you your options for a different seed! So you can say what seed Hamiti should have been!

I said he had a tough draw and you said "not at all".  You keep changing the discussion to seeding. 

[littleguy301]

Hamiti got seeded fifth and he'd have to get by both Carr and KOT to make finals.  That's a terrible draw.  The sixth seed would have been much better as Ramirez and Messenbrink is much easier path to finals.

I don't call it a terrible draw at all. Regardless DJ would to had to beat a combo or tri fecta of KOT, Carr, Mitchel, Ramirez, Amine or some one else that had a tournament. So no matter where your seeded you still have to beat some/several studs to stand on top!

So let's stop worrying about the seed and go out and wrestle above that seed!

BS.  The draw was as horrible as possible and I have heard others complaining about it too.  Hamiti can't beat Carr or KOT.  He hasn't even been in a competitive match with those two.  I think he has a chance against everyone else although he's never beat Cam Amine or Mesenbrink.  Horrible Horrible Draw.  Iowa was gifted an easy draw.  Caliendo isn't a top 4 guy but he got an easy draw in Julian Ramirez who was an incredibly weak 3 seed (Dean destroyed him multiple times and he looked terrible against Caliendo, but he lucked into a three seed by a flukey one point win over Carr who decisively beat Ramirez before).

To make matters worse, Dean will now have to beat Olejnik who he lost to in his last match just to AA.

100% agree. Don't forget that Ramirez ducked Carr in the dual which they did not hold against him in the seeding which is awful. I think DJ beats Olejnik fairly handily tonight. He has beat him every time with the exception of the exhibition match and Olejnik stalled and wrestled the edge really badly. I do not think he will get away with that again. Either way 1 of those 2 will not AA which is a shame because I think they are both top 8 guys. If this was seeded correctly it would be Ramirez Olejnik in the blood round.

DJ has a decent path to the 3rd place match and a rematch with Carr. At least Amine is on the other side so we will not have to see that stall fest until possibly in a placement match. If I have to watch anymore Will Lewan or Cam Amine I think I will start watching soccer or bowling! 

Rooting for Hall to take out Ramirez in the blood round too!

Man, in order to win a natty your going to have to beat some one. Whine and complain all you want but where was he going to be seeded.

22 and 2
Second in big ten

10 seed?

Well, realistically Dean was never going to win it all if that meant beating KOT or Carr, but if he got the right draws he could have made finals.  So yes, he got as bad a draw as possible for Dean. Matchups do MATTER or don't you understand.  Sometimes Guy A (Hamiti) beats Guy B (Ramirez) who can beat Guy C someone Dean always loses too. Would you rather face Guy B or Guy C if placing as high as possible matters.  What ticks me off is how easy a draw Caliendo of Iowa got.  If Dean got Ramirez, I would expect he would have beat him again and get into the semis and face Mesenbrink who he was able to score on.  Then he got the worst draw on his first match on the backside, the only guy who had beaten him before that was waiting in the blood rounds.  So bad draw again. So it sucks twice because I wanted Dean to improve on his 6th place finishes the past two years and I hate Iowa.  So there!

I get about match ups!

Did any hear what Cael said about Carter S draw?

That is the additude I love to hear! I get match ups so well but bottom line if your going to be the best you need to beat the best, do you understand that?

Don't even compare Dean with Carter!  Carter has multiple titles and is the best 174 pounder and was knocked in seeding because of injury defaults.  Carter can beat anyone and has proven it.  Unfortunately, Dean hasn't shown he can beat the elite guys at his weight.  Again, it was a horrible draw for Dean and Dean didn't overcome his bad draw.

Not comparing DJ to Carter just what Cael said.

Just go out and wrestle the matches one by one, do it at the best of your ability and let the chips fall. Gomez got a much worse seed and he seemed to wrestle well.

DJ is a treasure for the Badgers, has to win to get the better seeds, that is the bottom line!

Carr got a bad seed in my mind but he got it done.

Of course, you wrestle who is ever in front of you and try to get it done.  There has never been any argument from me about that.  But you said Dean didn't get a bad draw, and I 100% disagree with that.  People in various different wrestling forums discuss whether someone got a bad or good draw.  I guess you think they are all delusional.

Like I asked before what should he have been? Simple question, in your eyes what should he have been?

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10 seed would that have been better, what should he have been?

I've never argued against his seeding.  Seeds aren't necessarily based on who is best, but are decided by forumula or criteria established by committee. Nobody thinks Carter Starocci is only 9th best guy at his weight. And I don't think many would say Ramirez is third best.  I continue to say Dean ended up having to go thru Carr, KOT and the winner of the bottom bracket to win it all and that was an incredibly tough road.  And when he lost to Carr, he had to face the one guy waiting in consolations who beat him.  This was a horrible draw.  As I said before, Dean would have likely done better with a worse seeding that put him on the bottom half of the bracket.  He'd have a better chance against Ramirez (who he's never lost to) than Carr (who he's never beaten).  If he made it past Ramirez, he'd get Mesenbrink, who I think he wrestled much closer than KOT.  He'd still have to face a stud in the finals, but at least he had a viable path to the finals if he avoided KOT and Carr.  Instead, his terrible draw and his inability to overcome Carr and Olejnik, caused him to not even AA.  It's still on Dean for not AAing, but the draws didn't help him at all.

Never argue his seed but go on and on about a bad draw! Seriously!

If hamiti is.back.next year have the coaching staff sit him out a couple of top duals matches and maybe cut his match total down to like 14. That should be able to maybe get the draw that has a path to the finals!

Everyone has a tough path, think Carr had fans out there complaining that he got a bad draw having to beat both Hamiti and KOT to get to the finals?

You win, it is all about the seed so let's complain about the seed.

I would never advocate that and I've never said what you posted.  I don't like it when guys sit to preserve seeding.  No, Carr fans love when Carr faces Hamiti (its a good draw for him), he's gotten a win every time. 

Then what are you saying? Where did you want Hamiti seeded to have a 'easier path to the finals?

Where? Where? Where? If you want him lower better sit him out some and maybe FF a somewhere in there or for a high seed then sit him out against a for sure loss or have Dean beat someone you feel he shouldn't.

Never said you were saying those things. I am showing you your options for a different seed! So you can say what seed Hamiti should have been!

I said he had a tough draw and you said "not at all".  You keep changing the discussion to seeding. 

Everyone has a tough seed and draw. Carr had to beat DJ and KOT. Everyone is good at that level. DJ was a 5 seed and had a 7th seed in the blood round. 7th seed came through and I looked on OK state board and didn't catch anyone saying he got a bad draw.

I understand you may think he got a bad draw but just go out and wrestle the freaking matches! Place above your seed. Why is it before tournaments people pick out the bad draws instead of looking at getting it done.

I said on another post I didn't think Shane would win his firat round match up because of a 2 time world medalist. Boy did Shane make me look like a turd and good for him.

Just wrestle the matches item of excuses of a bad draw!

Does that make any sense?

[BadgerOne]

"Everyone has a tough seed and draw".  I disagree with that statement. Some guys have easier paths than others.  That's our disagreement and that's it.  I understand the rest of what you are staying as your other stuff isn't controversial. But anyway, its ok you don't have to agree with me and I don't agree with your statement that I quoted.  We both keep saying the same stuff so this discussion is stagnant.

[littleguy301]

I believe I said "I don't believe it is a terrible draw at all" never said it was great.

Stagnant is a great word! I will continue to coach every kid to be better than there seed, who cares who is out there, wrestle the best you can wrestle.and don't make excuses!