Looking forward to 165. Can Dean pull off the win vs Carr? A great early season test!
What do you guys think, any predictions?
125 - #5 Barnett vs. #17 Kysen Terukina - 4-0
133 - Rivera vs. #18 Evan Frost - 4-3
141 - Lettini vs. #27 Jacob Frost - 4-6
149 - #14 Zargo vs. #15 Anthony Echemendia - 4-9 This one is going to be a good match-up.
157 - Mechler/Goebel vs. #19 Cody Chittum - 4-13
165 - #4 Hamiti vs. #2 David Carr - 4-16
174 - #25 Maylor vs. #22 MJ Gaitan - 7-16
184 - Liegel vs. #5 Will Feldkamp - 7-20
197 - Talshahar vs. #25 Julien Broderson - 7-23
285 - Christensen (Wishing Copass would have stuck around) vs. Yonger Bastida - 7-27
I think it's going to be a long trip back to Madison after this one. I don't think the Badgers match-up very well at all.
WS had it close the other day when I looked at it but now it is 23 - 12 with UW winning at 25, 49, 57 and 65. Unfortunately I do not see it that close. Barnett is favored but Terukina did beat him last year. I see EB getting this one. Echemendia is a wild card. He can be really good and explosive but have also seen him gas so hopefully Joey can weather the storm and wear him out. Chittum is a straight up stud. Mechler is going to have his hands full to keep this one close. DJ/Carr is the match of the dual and hopefully he can turn this one around.
As far as the other 6 I do not see anything particularly competitive so probably going to be a pretty lopsided dual.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on November 15, 2023, 11:16:58 AMWS had it close the other day when I looked at it but now it is 23 - 12 with UW winning at 25, 49, 57 and 65. Unfortunately I do not see it that close. Barnett is favored but Terukina did beat him last year. I see EB getting this one. Echemendia is a wild card. He can be really good and explosive but have also seen him gas so hopefully Joey can weather the storm and wear him out. Chittum is a straight up stud. Mechler is going to have his hands full to keep this one close. DJ/Carr is the match of the dual and hopefully he can turn this one around.
As far as the other 6 I do not see anything particularly competitive so probably going to be a pretty lopsided dual.
Once caveat. I am not sure who is going at 74 but that certainly could be competitive regardless of who the Badgers put out there. I would love to see what Condon can do against better competition. Did not learn much from the MSU open and in retrospect would have liked to have seen him in the open division.
On a related note. I am surprised to see Frost in at 41 over Redding and Echemndia in a 49 over Swiderski. Seemed like they were the expected starters with Johnson out with the gambling issues and both moving up. They were both round of 12 guys last year. Swiderski was up and down but he had great match again Joey and went right down to the wire with Woods in the Iowa dual.
Echemendia is going down to 141 and Swiderski will be 149. Might not be for the dual, but sounds like what their lineup may look like in the future.
Anthony beat Swiderski 4-3 in the wrestle-off about 3 weeks ago. If that is the case and Echimendia does make the cut, he will be a huge 141 lber. That will be a tough 4 guys to get through from 141-165. I think Chittum is under ranked at #19 as well.
Might just have to lick your wounds and get ready for Bucknell.
100% agree on Chittum. He may actually be a title contender.
Dean Hamiti might be the most consistent wrestler in NCAA history so far. He is undefeated against everyone he is favored to win and has lost every match as an underdog. His collective record against Marinelli, Griffith, Cam Amine, David Carr, Quincy Monday and Keegan O'Toole is 0-10 (0-11 if you count All-star match vs OToole), and he is 58-0 against everyone else. Can Dean break this streak and finally beat an elite wrestler that is better than Patrick Kennedy, Carson Kharchla or Julian Ramirez?
Quote from: BadgerOne on November 15, 2023, 02:16:59 PMDean Hamiti might be the most consistent wrestler in NCAA history so far. He is undefeated against everyone he is favored to win and has lost every match as an underdog. His collective record against Marinelli, Griffith, Cam Amine, David Carr, Quincy Monday and Keegan O'Toole is 0-10 (0-11 if you count All-star match vs OToole), and he is 58-0 against everyone else. Can Dean break this streak and finally beat an elite wrestler that is better than Patrick Kennedy, Carson Kharchla or Julian Ramirez?
That is a pretty special group! It does seem like he is not same wrestler against that group which is interesting and hopefully he can get over that hump. Granted they are all very good which makes it harder to get to his stuff that works on everyone else. I definitely feel like he can beat Amine. Those matches have been too tight imo and more activity and exchanges would benefit DJ against him. I do feel like once he beats Amine the first time the future matches will not be that close.
I also feel like he could have beaten Marinelli or Monday but the other 3 I am not as sure. O'Toole and Carr present a different challenge because they negate a lot of the advantages that DJ has although he did have Carr in a cradle last time and if he is not near the boundary who knows. Griffith is just a flat out gamer. He is not flashy but in the big matches he generally finds a way. Probably not going to see that match again in college.
That being said DJ's ceiling is so high that nothing would surprise me!
Not a bad prediction Charteroak. I'll counter and say Badgers will win 49, 65, and 74.
Quote from: wrastle63 on November 15, 2023, 12:03:51 PMEchemendia is going down to 141 and Swiderski will be 149. Might not be for the dual, but sounds like what their lineup may look like in the future.
I pretty sure he will be going down to 141 for the dual.
WiscFan, I did take Maylor, just by experience only. I do think Zargo can hang with Echemendia, especially if he can control the pace. With the new 3pt, of Anthony gets a quick takedown or two it could be over. At 165 until I see DJ beat a highly ranked opponent, as you see in the 0-11 vs. guys ranked ahead of him, I have to go with Carr.
Quote from: BadgerOne on November 15, 2023, 02:16:59 PMDean Hamiti might be the most consistent wrestler in NCAA history so far. He is undefeated against everyone he is favored to win and has lost every match as an underdog. His collective record against Marinelli, Griffith, Cam Amine, David Carr, Quincy Monday and Keegan O'Toole is 0-10 (0-11 if you count All-star match vs OToole), and he is 58-0 against everyone else. Can Dean break this streak and finally beat an elite wrestler that is better than Patrick Kennedy, Carson Kharchla or Julian Ramirez?
Sounds like a pretty good job by those rank wrestlers at that weight ;)
Indeed you did Charteroak1, my bad.
Looking forward to the tough competition on Sunday.
Does the match start at 1:00?
According to the Badger website and the UFC Fightpass website it starts at 2pm central.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on November 18, 2023, 09:52:40 PMAccording to the Badger website and the UFC Fightpass website it starts at 2pm central.
Thanks
How many matches does everyone think the Badgers will win? It's looking pretty tough.
two
just checked on the match, Not a good start:
Barnett 3-14
Rivera 6-11
Lettini TF 4:15
Zargo 4-9 (ISU 15-0)
Not good
not good at all!
Mechler 2-15
now what we are waiting for, Go Dean!
Hamiti can't get out from the bottom. lost 0-2
Condon pinned (0-28)
Ugly!
Good news, Wisconsin favored in the next three according to Wrestle Stat (Bucknell 19-17; Rider 19-16; Drexel 23-13)
Liegel pinned (0-34)
WOW, just WOW this is going to be a long ugly season and not see a future right now to get out of the hole Bono has dug. Yup I said it. Go ahead...
Otto downed 2-5
42-0. Ouch
Christensen lost TF 2:57
Badgers blown out 0-42
Thanks Dad for the updates! Ya it is tough for sure but I usually put the bigger number first even in a loss lol
Going to be a long season for sure. Not being negative just honest. We will have some bright spots during the year. Hopefully let's look for the bright spots which will be there, just probably have to wade through some negative to get there. I hope people know that!
I don't think that they'll be favored in any duel no matter what any computer says 🤔
Ugly
Tough loss, Iowa St. is a good team and while I know nothing as an outsider (and didn't see the dual) it seems like WI did not come in at it's best. They are going to have to wear this one. That being said, it's a long and winding season with low points and hopefully high points. In my mind, the best way to move forward is to get back in the room and work your nuts off - wrestlers and coaches. Days like this suck, but they can be used as fuel for motivation and continued growth. Go Badgers!
Ouch!
Can anyone tell me the last time that the Badgers were shut out?
Badgers get beat down badly. Embarrassing. Bono will get things turned around!!!! NOT.
I'd like to give Coach Dresser and staff a ton of credit for putting together one solid line-up. On the reverse side, I would have loved to have been on the UW bus ride home. Maybe Dec 3rd. we'll see more Hustle, Effort and Attitude. ;)
42-0 is a shockingly bad result but not a complete surprise. EB was really the only favorite and while I would have expected him to win he did lose to Terukina last year. Certainly would not have expected him to get majored and the pins at 74 and 84 make a mis matched dual look even worse.
If you dig into this a little deeper the dual did have some bright spots for the Badgers
125 – EB did not look good. Not sure what is going on there
133 – Nicolar actually did some very good things against a good opponent. The takedown he got in the 3rd was very slick
141 – Lettini was completely over matched. Not a much else to say here
149 – Joey wrestled well and was in this match until late against a round of 12 guy who beat him last year and gave Real Woods everything he wanted last year
157 – Tough matchup for Mechler but he was a game opponent. Had some decent defense and fought off a few things but Chittum is just too good. Be surprised if a healthy Chittum is not an AA
165 – DJ had great defense on this feet and was very close to a counter TD in first. Would have liked to see him put a tougher ride on Carr and he needed an in match adjustment against Carr's ride. Probably should have stopped coming to his feet because that was just a setup to trap the arm, trip and work for a tilt. Probably should have worked a quad pod and not come to his feet without controlling the hands. Could have also worked his switch on the mat and tried to create an exchange that way
174 – Condon was game, took a nice shot and was going in for a go ahead takedown when he got hit with the kick through. Painful but important learning experience. Will know what that feels like now and will be less inclined to drive in next time
184 – Liegel was just outmatched. Does not look completely healthy either
197 – Otto did a really nice job up 2 weight classes. Really appreciated the effort here
285 – Pete is not wrestling well and Bastida is a stud!
I guess we now know what Bono meant when he said embrace the suck!
Quote from: vsmf2010 on November 20, 2023, 12:57:36 PM42-0 is a shockingly bad result but not a complete surprise. EB was really the only favorite and while I would have expected him to win he did lose to Terukina last year. Certainly would not have expected him to get majored and the pins at 74 and 84 make a mis matched dual look even worse.
If you dig into this a little deeper the dual did have some bright spots for the Badgers
125 – EB did not look good. Not sure what is going on there
133 – Nicolar actually did some very good things against a good opponent. The takedown he got in the 3rd was very slick
141 – Lettini was completely over matched. Not a much else to say here
149 – Joey wrestled well and was in this match until late against a round of 12 guy who beat him last year and gave Real Woods everything he wanted last year
157 – Tough matchup for Mechler but he was a game opponent. Had some decent defense and fought off a few things but Chittum is just too good. Be surprised if a healthy Chittum is not an AA
165 – DJ had great defense on this feet and was very close to a counter TD in first. Would have liked to see him put a tougher ride on Carr and he needed an in match adjustment against Carr's ride. Probably should have stopped coming to his feet because that was just a setup to trap the arm, trip and work for a tilt. Probably should have worked a quad pod and not come to his feet without controlling the hands. Could have also worked his switch on the mat and tried to create an exchange that way
174 – Condon was game, took a nice shot and was going in for a go ahead takedown when he got hit with the kick through. Painful but important learning experience. Will know what that feels like now and will be less inclined to drive in next time
184 – Liegel was just outmatched. Does not look completely healthy either
197 – Otto did a really nice job up 2 weight classes. Really appreciated the effort here
285 – Pete is not wrestling well and Bastida is a stud!
Appreciate the summary vsmf. I'm just surprised that things hasn't worked out for this coaching staff. Granted I'm not in the room with the team, but from an outsider's perspective Bono seemed to bring to the program everything you were looking for. Development of wrestlers, coaching success, excitement, energy, good coaching staff, high level transfers. I wonder where it went wrong? Is there something internal going on that we aren't privy to? Does this ultimately tie back to missed opportunities building a relationship with AWA?
I'm not saying one way or another that Bono should go, but it will be interesting to see if the Wisconsin AD will step in and make a coaching change. McIntosh has been quick to make changes in football and men's hockey. Not that wrestling is in the same category as those two programs as far as profile and revenue, but there is a precedence established from the current administration.
If a coaching change is made, who would the "experts" on this forum recommend?
Askren
Reader
Gross
Burroughs (Sanderson part 2?)
Other?
Quote from: Gutwrench on November 21, 2023, 10:30:13 AMQuote from: vsmf2010 on November 20, 2023, 12:57:36 PM42-0 is a shockingly bad result but not a complete surprise. EB was really the only favorite and while I would have expected him to win he did lose to Terukina last year. Certainly would not have expected him to get majored and the pins at 74 and 84 make a mis matched dual look even worse.
If you dig into this a little deeper the dual did have some bright spots for the Badgers
125 – EB did not look good. Not sure what is going on there
133 – Nicolar actually did some very good things against a good opponent. The takedown he got in the 3rd was very slick
141 – Lettini was completely over matched. Not a much else to say here
149 – Joey wrestled well and was in this match until late against a round of 12 guy who beat him last year and gave Real Woods everything he wanted last year
157 – Tough matchup for Mechler but he was a game opponent. Had some decent defense and fought off a few things but Chittum is just too good. Be surprised if a healthy Chittum is not an AA
165 – DJ had great defense on this feet and was very close to a counter TD in first. Would have liked to see him put a tougher ride on Carr and he needed an in match adjustment against Carr's ride. Probably should have stopped coming to his feet because that was just a setup to trap the arm, trip and work for a tilt. Probably should have worked a quad pod and not come to his feet without controlling the hands. Could have also worked his switch on the mat and tried to create an exchange that way
174 – Condon was game, took a nice shot and was going in for a go ahead takedown when he got hit with the kick through. Painful but important learning experience. Will know what that feels like now and will be less inclined to drive in next time
184 – Liegel was just outmatched. Does not look completely healthy either
197 – Otto did a really nice job up 2 weight classes. Really appreciated the effort here
285 – Pete is not wrestling well and Bastida is a stud!
Appreciate the summary vsmf. I'm just surprised that things hasn't worked out for this coaching staff. Granted I'm not in the room with the team, but from an outsider's perspective Bono seemed to bring to the program everything you were looking for. Development of wrestlers, coaching success, excitement, energy, good coaching staff, high level transfers. I wonder where it went wrong? Is there something internal going on that we aren't privy to? Does this ultimately tie back to missed opportunities building a relationship with AWA?
I'm not saying one way or another that Bono should go, but it will be interesting to see if the Wisconsin AD will step in and make a coaching change. McIntosh has been quick to make changes in football and men's hockey. Not that wrestling is in the same category as those two programs as far as profile and revenue, but there is a precedence established from the current administration.
If a coaching change is made, who would the "experts" on this forum recommend?
Askren
Reader
Gross
Burroughs (Sanderson part 2?)
Other?
I also am not advocating a change, but if one is made I would love to see Nick Becker get a shot. Other than that, there are many great coaches out there that could have success in Madison.
I also think like other UW sports, Bono may be having trouble getting some of his athletes admitted to the school.
Blaming "having trouble getting athletes admitted" has got to be one of the worst takes of all takes on this forum.
Unlike "other sports", some of the best wrestling programs in the nation have the same to higher academic standards.
Cornell is one of the best academic and wrestling school in the nation. Columbia has more ranked wrestler then UW. Harvard has kids ranked every year. Princeton and Penn and their RTC's are some of the most respected in the nation schools and programs.
Delve into admission rates, GPA and ACTs and in the Big Ten alone UW has same to minimally at most academics standards as Mich, Minn, NW, and Purdue. All those schools are out recruiting UW.
You got kids from WI going to Bucknell, Stanford, HOfstra grad school, NW, and other elite academic schools that have much higher standard then UW.
I could name 10-15 schools that have higher standards for admission then UW that are doing better recruiting then Bono.
Also-blaming academics standards is a backhanded way to imply kids don't go to UW because they aren't smart enough.
Plenty of schools have tough academic standards and they have coaches that can recruit great with it. Bono/Reader/Gross can't.
If a coaching change is made, who would the "experts" on this forum recommend?
Askren
Reader
Gross
Burroughs (Sanderson part 2?)
Other?
Cary Kolat
Michigan also has high academic standards. They don't seem to have a problem getting their guys in. Just saying.
I'm not sure what to think of the whole situation, as we are only three weeks into the season. My initial thought was that Bono and Co.(w/McDonough)might be the right guys for the job. However looking at the recruits that they have brought in other than Hamiti and Barnett, who has been a standout? And Hillger is a Davis guy BTW. Thank God and Bono for the transfer portal as this is quite the list: Escobar, Breske, Moran, Connor Brown, Gross, Sebastian, Watkins, Weiler, Gomez, McNally, LaMont, Liegel, Maylor, Mechler, and I might be missing one or two. Without these guys it would be interesting to see where the program would be. Will McIntosh make a change. I think that will all depend on where we end up at the Big Ten's. You look at what happened to Barry and his last season. I believe that decision was announced after BigTen's if I recall.
Gutwrench, you mentioned coaches. Who would I like to see???
Option 1- HC: Taylor AHC:Kennedy AC:Nick Lee AC: Eric Barnett
Option 2- HC: Max Askren AHC: Logan Steiber AC: Alex Dieringer AC: Eric Barnett
Will any of these options come true...Nope!
BTW, and chance of including a new wrestling facility in the new football indoor practice facility(former shell)? A new facility is needed ASAP
BTW, and chance of including a new wrestling facility in the new football indoor practice facility(former shell)? A new facility is needed ASAP
Yes! a new wrestling room is the first thing that needs to happen, UW has one of the worst facilities in the Big 10 and maybe the country. I have seen a ton of high school rooms that are way better than UW. If we want to recruit top level kids then we need to provide them with top level facilities.
I would probably agree with you Fish on the facilities. I would say maybe Purdue, Northwestern and I'm not sure about Maryland's are worse. Iowa and Illinois are getting new stand alone locations and you look at what Penn St, Minnesota, Michigan, Rutgers, and Nebraska have to work with and you see where wrestling ranks on the AD's list of priorities. I just can't imagine you are building a new football facility next door and you can't figure out a way to include a new wrestling room. It's much more cost effective to include it now vs. add it in the future. Maybe we need to go back to the day of having a bowl-a-thon to raise funds for a new room.
2023 has been a tough year for this program, I think most of us would agree with that. However, when I see stuff about aging facilities and no plans to keep up with other programs in the conference (not including the ones at the very top) it is definitely worrisome. A year or two blip is one thing, but these seem like potentially generational decisions which might relegate the program to second or even third tier status for a long, long time. That wrestling could become an after-thought to an after-thought in a department which will always emphasize the big sports but which also has other very successful high-profile programs to "feed". It would be a shame, a disaster really, if UW sunk to the bottom of the conference indefinitely. It seems like the program is at a cross-roads on the mat and especially off of it. I sure hope I'm way off base....
I can't say that Bono is a bad coach but for whatever reason(s) they've lost all momentum and clearly can't recruit the top in state kids. Probably need new facility, new coach or both. NIL (or lack of) may be a factor too.
Quote from: PAUL on November 24, 2023, 08:29:38 AM2023 has been a tough year for this program, I think most of us would agree with that. However, when I see stuff about aging facilities and no plans to keep up with other programs in the conference (not including the ones at the very top) it is definitely worrisome. A year or two blip is one thing, but these seem like potentially generational decisions which might relegate the program to second or even third tier status for a long, long time. That wrestling could become an after-thought to an after-thought in a department which will always emphasize the big sports but which also has other very successful high-profile programs to "feed". It would be a shame, a disaster really, if UW sunk to the bottom of the conference indefinitely. It seems like the program is at a cross-roads on the mat and especially off of it. I sure hope I'm way off base....
Well said Paul and with the annual push for baseball (I'm not one of those guy, not a baseball fan at all!) it is dangerous ground indeed.
Honestly if I was Bono I would find another school to coach at and save what was left of my reputation. Because if nothing is being done on the facilities question i.e. a new wrestling room or NIL and I simply cannot reconcile with Askren or the other club coaches in the state then why stick around? Why continue to ruin your reputation? You may have to go to a program outside the Big Ten but so what? Better to be far away from Madison and have a chance to be successful than to stay and keep pushing the stone up the hill until retirement. It's not worth it.
I wasn't surprised by the loss but was taken aback at how uncompetitive UW was (especially Barnett). This certainly wasn't what people were expecting at this point in Bono's tenure. It's really disappointing and really sickening to think some petty dispute with a club coach can do this but that's reality. I will also point out Reader was on the same bench as Bono against ISU so why anyone would think he would be ready to be head coach right now is beyond me. I mean, are people mentioning Becker because at least he gets a long with Ben and Max? Fine then. He can be their puppet I guess. I don't know what good it will do and the same problems with roster numbers, facilities and funding will still be there no matter who the hetman is and unless the Askrens have answers for those questions, UW probably won't be any better. I mean you can say "They'll recruit more in-state talent" and I'm sure they will. But putting that talent in the same situation that's existed for UW wrestling since time immemorial, just wastes it and we've seen all to often over many, many years.
Dad, I did not bring up Baseball but you definitely could guess where I was heading - people should not think that couldn't happen to wrestling. Again, I hope I'm wrong but I fear that the new schools coming into the conference might present a convenient opportunity to "examine" or "study" existing programs which could be educational bureaucracy code-speak for "something is going to get cut"....
Reader has tied himself to Bono. Bono's issues are his issues. That's going to be an issue going forward for him.
Like it or not, any new coach is going to have to kiss the ring, or at least be acceptable to AWA.
Getting shut out is a problem.
Quote from: Ghetto on November 25, 2023, 10:05:22 PMReader has tied himself to Bono. Bono's issues are his issues. That's going to be an issue going forward for him.
Like it or not, any new coach is going to have to kiss the ring, or at least be acceptable to AWA.
Getting shut out is a problem.
Say it ain't so Joe.
Thankfully, I think as long as McIntoch is AD you will not see the wrestling team be cut, especially with his background.
Start a Womens Program if you want a new facility.
Next Head Coach (https://gophersports.com/sports/wrestling/roster/coaches/trevor-brandvold/3033)
Baby steps hornbuckleb. I'd be happy with a heated shed that can house at least three + full mats without posts in the middle of the room.
I do like where you're going with that though.
Quote from: Fish on November 21, 2023, 01:57:19 PMBTW, and chance of including a new wrestling facility in the new football indoor practice facility(former shell)? A new facility is needed ASAP
Yes! a new wrestling room is the first thing that needs to happen, UW has one of the worst facilities in the Big 10 and maybe the country. I have seen a ton of high school rooms that are way better than UW. If we want to recruit top level kids then we need to provide them with top level facilities.
I heard from a Dad whose sone recently took an official at UW, they were told a new room is planned as part of the new Football facility.
That kid committed elsewhere due to the current room and his club affiliation.
Quote from: hornbuckleb on November 27, 2023, 11:56:40 AMStart a Womens Program if you want a new facility.
Next Head Coach (https://gophersports.com/sports/wrestling/roster/coaches/trevor-brandvold/3033)
Why do you think Brandvold would leave MN for WI? He has put down roots with his young family and his outside opportunities are better in the TC. MN was lucky to get him and they know it.
Quote from: MNbadger on November 29, 2023, 06:59:57 AMQuote from: hornbuckleb on November 27, 2023, 11:56:40 AMStart a Womens Program if you want a new facility.
Next Head Coach (https://gophersports.com/sports/wrestling/roster/coaches/trevor-brandvold/3033)
Why do you think Brandvold would leave MN for WI? He has put down roots with his young family and his outside opportunities are better in the TC. MN was lucky to get him and they know it.
I agree, but what makes you think that he would not leave. I am sure it would be a tough decision, but if he was to get offered the HC position at Wisconsin I would assume he would have a hard time turning it down.
He could even bring Troy back to Wisconsin and revitalize a defunct WRTC. I believe Troy's daughter is a freshman at UW Parkside.
Alumni
Knows Wisconisn Youth
Knows Wisconsin HS
Knows WWF
Knows Wisconsin Club Coaches
Get's along with Askren's
Deringer as an assistant....
If Chris decides to make a change I would expect Trevor to be in the short list
Trevor would be a great fit. Class human and great coach. He is a fantastic recruiter. I also think Reader's energy is very infectious in the recruiting process.
Do you think wrestling coaches need to take more of a business approach to their programs now with NIL? really sell to certain kids that have specific interests and intentions on what they want from their experience.
Quote from: hornbuckleb on November 29, 2023, 09:37:01 AMQuote from: MNbadger on November 29, 2023, 06:59:57 AMQuote from: hornbuckleb on November 27, 2023, 11:56:40 AMStart a Womens Program if you want a new facility.
Next Head Coach (https://gophersports.com/sports/wrestling/roster/coaches/trevor-brandvold/3033)
Why do you think Brandvold would leave MN for WI? He has put down roots with his young family and his outside opportunities are better in the TC. MN was lucky to get him and they know it.
I agree, but what makes you think that he would not leave. I am sure it would be a tough decision, but if he was to get offered the HC position at Wisconsin I would assume he would have a hard time turning it down.
He could even bring Troy back to Wisconsin and revitalize a defunct WRTC. I believe Troy's daughter is a freshman at UW Parkside.
Alumni
Knows Wisconisn Youth
Knows Wisconsin HS
Knows WWF
Knows Wisconsin Club Coaches
Get's along with Askren's
Deringer as an assistant....
If Chris decides to make a change I would expect Trevor to be in the short list
Defunct RTC??? I mean aren't they raising money for athletes??? You know...all those RTC athletes.
Its sarcasm. I would love to support the RTC and their 1/20 fundraiser but where does that money go? Who are we supporting? I would love to follow the money on this one.....
Quote from: Dmiller133 on November 29, 2023, 11:03:46 AMTrevor would be a great fit. Class human and great coach. He is a fantastic recruiter. I also think Reader's energy is very infectious in the recruiting process.
Do you think wrestling coaches need to take more of a business approach to their programs now with NIL? really sell to certain kids that have specific interests and intentions on what they want from their experience.
Completely agree on Trevor. I was sad to see him go when Barry left. I knew him and Kyle a bit when they were here and I thought very highly of both of them.
As far as the business approach and the NIL I think it really depends on the wrestler and the family. For some a full scholarship and the NIL money is a huge deal for others not as much. Just like the quality of the education and the major. Clearly if you are heading to the Ivy league or 1 of the service academies playing a D1 sport is not the only thing that was part of your college decision. If you are not planning to wrestle after college, want to have a career in business, you are good enough, have the grades and the money. Hard not to choose Cornell.
For others the goal may be world teams and/or Olympic medals. If your goal is an Olympic FS medal and PSU is interested hard not to choose that option regardless of everything else. No doubt the transfer portal and the NIL have required coaches to re-evaluate how they recruit and retain. Personally I preferred the landscape of college wrestling better without the NIL and the portal but it does not seem like there is much momentum to change anything soon.
Trevor or Hahn would be my 2 short list guys. Look at what Hahn did at sdsu. Remember when Bono left there was very few left on the roster at sdsu and the state support was very low. [Hmmmmmmm] now sdsu is a top 15 program who's needle is pointing up! Doubt he would come and fix up another Bono problem.
Trevor has done wonders as a big guy coach at Minnesota. Has settled in real well in the metro and both his and his wife's family is just minutes away. Still very young and very possible he desires to be a head coach. Though, for the time being I believe he is in a great situation at Minnesota. Family is right there, well respected within the wrestling community. I think it would take alot to lure him away but maybe Madison could!
Some time ago I believe another poster said to the negative Davis quotes, to be careful what you wish for. It is ringing true at this point. Sure Bono has raised attendance but there still is very little communication around the state with the Badger program. I hear way more Parkside news and from the WIAC than from the Badgers.
I still hope the Badger do well but this year I will be digging for positive Badger news.
Go Badgers!
Good stuff, little - it will be interesting to see how the attendance plays out this season.
This is my first post on this website, and want to preface that I have been and will always be a huge supporter of Wisconsin wrestling. However, I am disappointed as I thought Bono would be a great recruiter, coach and hype man. I do think he started strong and increased the hype surrounding wrestling in the state in his first year, but that has quickly fizzled. I see two main issues:
1. We cannot recruit top tier in or out of state talent. This starts with the relationship with AWA.
2. Bono does not develop wrestlers to get them to make the jump to the next tier in their career. Our wrestlers come into the program and never seem to improve at a rapid enough pace, which is an issue.
Whether people like him or not, Ben is a proven winner, not only as a wrestler but at developing wrestlers as a coach. I have seen threads where people have bashed him and his program but like it or not AWA is producing top tier D1 college wrestling talent. He lives an hour away from Madison and has built deep connections throughout the state and country. Why more people are not talking about him as the Badger's coach is surprising, if he would even want it at this point.
Bono seems like a nice guy and I am only critiquing from afar what I have seen as a season ticket holder and avid wrestling supporter throughout my life.
Hard to disagree, again like you from an outsider's limited perspective. I think if I were the AD, assuming they don't already have some type of relationship, I'd meet with BA surreptitiously and feel out his thoughts for this job and what it might take to get him. And if things seem good, I'd look to make the move. I'm not thrilled about how all of this seemed (again, to an outsider) to play out, but it's a tough business and sharp elbows are needed sometimes.
All that being said, I'd love to be proven wrong and have the team totally turn things around this weekend and go on to have a great season.
I think Wi. Is too Liberal For Askren. I would love to see it happen! He makes wrestlers better in all aspects of the sport. on & off the mat.
I mean this respectfully as possible because for good or bad, I enjoy all crosstalk about wrestling, especially the Badgers.
But to all the Bono hatin' SOBs, I cannot wait for the day the Badgers are back in full force! Not saying that will happen this year. But ain't no way Bono and team are getting written off that easily in my book.
Quote from: WiscFan on December 02, 2023, 01:04:15 AMI mean this respectfully as possible because for good or bad, I enjoy all crosstalk about wrestling, especially the Badgers.
But to all the Bono hatin' SOBs, I cannot wait for the day the Badgers are back in full force! Not saying that will happen this year. But ain't no way Bono and team are getting written off that easily in my book.
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Quote from: WiscFan on December 02, 2023, 01:04:15 AMI mean this respectfully as possible because for good or bad, I enjoy all crosstalk about wrestling, especially the Badgers.
But to all the Bono hatin' SOBs, I cannot wait for the day the Badgers are back in full force! Not saying that will happen this year. But ain't no way Bono and team are getting written off that easily in my book.
I really, really hope you are 100% right!!!
Quote from: WiscFan on December 02, 2023, 01:04:15 AMI mean this respectfully as possible because for good or bad, I enjoy all crosstalk about wrestling, especially the Badgers.
But to all the Bono hatin' SOBs, I cannot wait for the day the Badgers are back in full force! Not saying that will happen this year. But ain't no way Bono and team are getting written off that easily in my book.
How do you think he will do this? My follow up question is why hasn't he done this already?
Good questions but hellifIknow! Bono and Reader didn't get to where they are because they like to lose. They and team are the clear underdogs under the big microscope but damnif
that doesn't make me like'm more.
Quote from: Wrestling Guru on December 02, 2023, 09:58:08 AMQuote from: WiscFan on December 02, 2023, 01:04:15 AMI mean this respectfully as possible because for good or bad, I enjoy all crosstalk about wrestling, especially the Badgers.
But to all the Bono hatin' SOBs, I cannot wait for the day the Badgers are back in full force! Not saying that will happen this year. But ain't no way Bono and team are getting written off that easily in my book.
How do you think he will do this? My follow up question is why hasn't he done this already?
I think Nicolar Rivera can step into the rankings with a couple big wins. Luke Mechler already beat a ranked opponent.
Luke Condon, Zan Fugitt, Dylan Russo and Julian George are top recruits.
Next year's class also has top recruits, including Dillan Johnson, Colin Kelly and Wyatt Ingham
Braxton Amos returns from Olympic Redshirt next year, probably to wrestle heavyweight.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on December 03, 2023, 11:02:28 AMQuote from: Wrestling Guru on December 02, 2023, 09:58:08 AMQuote from: WiscFan on December 02, 2023, 01:04:15 AMI mean this respectfully as possible because for good or bad, I enjoy all crosstalk about wrestling, especially the Badgers.
But to all the Bono hatin' SOBs, I cannot wait for the day the Badgers are back in full force! Not saying that will happen this year. But ain't no way Bono and team are getting written off that easily in my book.
How do you think he will do this? My follow up question is why hasn't he done this already?
I think Nicolar Rivera can step into the rankings with a couple big wins. Luke Mechler already beat a ranked opponent.
Luke Condon, Zan Fugitt, Dylan Russo and Julian George are top recruits.
Next year's class also has top recruits, including Dillan Johnson, Colin Kelly and Wyatt Ingham
Braxton Amos returns from Olympic Redshirt next year, probably to wrestle heavyweight.
Luke Mechler was pinned by his own teammate, also.
Quote from: No One Cares on December 03, 2023, 11:08:02 AMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on December 03, 2023, 11:02:28 AMQuote from: Wrestling Guru on December 02, 2023, 09:58:08 AMQuote from: WiscFan on December 02, 2023, 01:04:15 AMI mean this respectfully as possible because for good or bad, I enjoy all crosstalk about wrestling, especially the Badgers.
But to all the Bono hatin' SOBs, I cannot wait for the day the Badgers are back in full force! Not saying that will happen this year. But ain't no way Bono and team are getting written off that easily in my book.
How do you think he will do this? My follow up question is why hasn't he done this already?
I think Nicolar Rivera can step into the rankings with a couple big wins. Luke Mechler already beat a ranked opponent.
Luke Condon, Zan Fugitt, Dylan Russo and Julian George are top recruits.
Next year's class also has top recruits, including Dillan Johnson, Colin Kelly and Wyatt Ingham
Braxton Amos returns from Olympic Redshirt next year, probably to wrestle heavyweight.
Luke Mechler was pinned by his own teammate, also.
Yes, and hopefully he learns from that.
Quote from: gwmiller44 on December 01, 2023, 06:39:30 PMI think Wi. Is too Liberal For Askren. I would love to see it happen! He makes wrestlers better in all aspects of the sport. on & off the mat.
what would that have to do with wrestling?
"Why do you think Brandvold would leave MN for WI?"
He wouldn't. He's already been on the staff. He was supposed to be BD's heir apparent then the whole staff got dumped when Davis stepped down. That ship has sailed.
"Bono does not develop wrestlers to get them to make the jump to the next tier in their career."
Seth Gross says hello.
I heard the same complaints about Davis. I mean, come on, when is it going to sink in around here there are deeper problems with UW wrestling than who coach is and what they may or may not be doing? Hmm?
Remember how excited everyone was when Bono was hired? He was the hot up-n'coming coach at the time for what he did at SDSU. Now UW wrestling was going to go big time, right? Season tickets, promotions, great recruiter and motivator, hired Askren for the RTC, hopefully get more money, all those things. When did it suddenly all go away and why? Did he just become stupid all of a sudden? What gives?
If anyone says Askren I will tell you right now that Ben pulled the same crap on BD, so the bottom line is no matter who coaches at UW unless they kiss Ben's backside, he's not going to be very supportive. And why would he be? He's not an alumn and it's no skin off his nose how the Badgers do one way or the other. So maybe a new coach might get his indifference (unless they're totally a puppet, which it sounds like what he and Max want) but probably nothing more than that hopefully, at least that.
And as for in-state talent, well it is nice but it's no guarantee of anything. Past UW teams have been littered with in-state kids who either really didn't do much in Madison, did not live up to expectations or washed out completely. Because no matter how talented you are, if you're being fed into the same meat grinder of a program, all the promise you showed on the high school or cadet level just goes away. Is that the wrestler's fault? A lot of people want to believe that but they can't be all bums! If the program is not set up for big success why would you expect it from those same wrestlers, because they won a state title in high school? Doesn't work that way.
Here's what I worry about: The new additions to the B1G all don't have wrestling. This will be the first time that not every school in the league has the sport. I wonder if this fact may entice schools that are struggling in the sport to drop their programs as well. I mean obviously wrestling doesn't cost UW a lot of money in comparison to other sports but that really isn't the issue in spite of what savings they could get, which wouldn't be a lot. The issue is whether UW feels it can find the resources to have a competitive program without going the way of the top schools in the sport which are heavily booster funded. Apparently UWAD is still anal about booster contact with and funding for its sports even under new management. If they believe it's not possible or realistically feasible, they may very well conclude that wrestling is not worth their time and or money as terrible a decision as it would be. I do believe McIntosh wrestled in high school if I'm right, but he strikes me someone not really at that sentimental. Otherwise Paul Chryst would still have a job at UW.
I agree wrestlemania. It definitely isn't just Bono, if it's him at all.
I think the UW has it problems with a below average room and such but over all the Badgers do have alot of good things going also.
It is Bono program and he has a big enough personality to tell Askren it is his state! Ii get it that Ben runs one of the best clubs in the nation but it isn't a top 20 ncaa d1 program which Bono runs. Nation wide their is some really good programs with top flight coaches that maybe are better than the college program in the state.
I think for many Minnesota people that wanted some one other that eggum as the gopher coach. You don't hear the up heaval that we have in Wisconsin.
I wanted Bono as the coach, though at this time I am not a fan of what he has done so far. Until the Badgers get interestffom others I will.still go with Bono as the coach.
I still support the team and hopefully they have more bright spots than grey spots during the season.
Quote from: littleguy301 on December 07, 2023, 07:56:56 AMI think the UW has it problems with a below average room and such but over all the Badgers do have alot of good things going also.
It is Bono program and he has a big enough personality to tell Askren it is his state! Ii get it that Ben runs one of the best clubs in the nation but it isn't a top 20 ncaa d1 program which Bono runs. Nation wide their is some really good programs with top flight coaches that maybe are better than the college program in the state.
I think for many Minnesota people that wanted some one other that eggum as the gopher coach. You don't hear the up heaval that we have in Wisconsin.
I wanted Bono as the coach, though at this time I am not a fan of what he has done so far. Until the Badgers get interestffom others I will.still go with Bono as the coach.
I still support the team and hopefully they have more bright spots than grey spots during the season.
I am gonna tell my kids this wonderfully written soliloquy was generated from CHAT GPT.
Quote from: No One Cares on December 07, 2023, 07:59:48 AMQuote from: littleguy301 on December 07, 2023, 07:56:56 AMI think the UW has it problems with a below average room and such but over all the Badgers do have alot of good things going also.
It is Bono program and he has a big enough personality to tell Askren it is his state! Ii get it that Ben runs one of the best clubs in the nation but it isn't a top 20 ncaa d1 program which Bono runs. Nation wide their is some really good programs with top flight coaches that maybe are better than the college program in the state.
I think for many Minnesota people that wanted some one other that eggum as the gopher coach. You don't hear the up heaval that we have in Wisconsin.
I wanted Bono as the coach, though at this time I am not a fan of what he has done so far. Until the Badgers get interestffom others I will.still go with Bono as the coach.
I still support the team and hopefully they have more bright spots than grey spots during the season.
I am gonna tell my kids this wonderfully written soliloquy was generated from CHAT GPT.
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