Good write up.
http://www.nj.com/rutgers/index.ssf/2016/01/a_more_meaningful_challenge_how_donny_pritzlaff_finally_made_it_to_rutgers.html?hootPostID=48564a8da485d7a961735190727d8788
This looks like it will be Barry's chance to prove to everyone that he is a better coach and recruiter than
Pritzlaff. Good article.
Do we wrestle Rutgers at home this year?
Michigan beats Ohio St today, more St Donny's recruits coming through.
Which ones?
Hammen, don't comment about Donny. Remember, you're still in love with Barry
Just looking for some insight on those in love with Donny
Hammen, it has to do with his success. Everywhere he goes teams are successful, this cannot be denied. People get upset when they see teams having success they think their team could have if they still had that player/coach.
If the teams stunk it up at all his stops nobody would care.
I also think the way things went down between Barry and Donny play a role.
What success? Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure during his 3 year stint at Michigan they team finished behind Wisconsin at the NCAAs in 2 out of the 3 years, and never had a top 10 finish. And certainly last year Wisconsin finished way ahead of Rutgers.
Just want it to be said that I respect the inappropriate term3 out of Donny, and he is most certainly the one person I would want on my side in a fight to the death. He cares as much as anyone about his guys, and would take a bullet for them. Coaches and mentors with a lot of passion, and wants what's best for his guys. A lot of coaches have those same attributes, they just deliver it in different ways that may not be as visible to the public.
Quote from: leg turk on January 08, 2016, 09:53:45 AM
Do we wrestle Rutgers at home this year?
Jan 22 at Rutgers, 6:00 pm
I think a lot of people attribute where MI is now partially to Donny. That program was on a downturn and now they have group of good young wrestlers. You can't use results from his first year there it takes 2-3 years to build something up.
I guess you can look at a guys first year at a program and say see the results aren't good and statistically you are right. Even though every knows his recruits and wrestlers have not hit the lineup yet.
I am not a Donny lover and don't really care where he coaches. But to say everywhere he goes those programs don't get better is just plain false.
Wisconsin- best years under Barry were when Donny was an assistant.
Michigan - was trending towards bottom of B10 before Donny, he is there three years and now top 5 in B10 and they are loaded with lots of underclassmen.
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
One thing in common at each stop is Donny. Not to admit it is being obtuse.
I know Barry and Donny had a huge falling out and no matter what side you pick one has to admit Donny has a positive influence everywhere he goes.
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
I think a lot of people attribute where MI is now partially to Donny. That program was on a downturn and now they have group of good young wrestlers. You can't use results from his first year there it takes 2-3 years to build something up.
I guess you can look at a guys first year at a program and say see the results aren't good and statistically you are right. Even though every knows his recruits and wrestlers have not hit the lineup yet.
I am not a Donny lover and don't really care where he coaches. But to say everywhere he goes those programs don't get better is just plain false.
Wisconsin- best years under Barry were when Donny was an assistant.
Michigan - was trending towards bottom of B10 before Donny, he is there three years and now top 5 in B10 and they are loaded with lots of underclassmen.
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
One thing in common at each stop is Donny. Not to admit it is being obtuse.
I know Barry and Donny had a huge falling out and no matter what side you pick one has to admit Donny has a positive influence everywhere he goes.
The season after Donny left we finished last in the Big Ten. None of his recruits other than Cody Caldwell would have wrestled for the Badgers that year, and Caldwell would have redshirted. I think it is also fair to say Pritzlaff contributed to the lack of depth we had on that team. Ben Jordan, Cole Schmitt, and Cole Tobin were the only National Qualifiers. To pretend everything he did was great is also false.
The overall depth we have on this year's roster in another Olympic year 4 years later is much stronger.
Sean Bourmet is a very big reason why Michigan is doing well.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on January 10, 2016, 02:41:35 PM
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
I think a lot of people attribute where MI is now partially to Donny. That program was on a downturn and now they have group of good young wrestlers. You can't use results from his first year there it takes 2-3 years to build something up.
I guess you can look at a guys first year at a program and say see the results aren't good and statistically you are right. Even though every knows his recruits and wrestlers have not hit the lineup yet.
I am not a Donny lover and don't really care where he coaches. But to say everywhere he goes those programs don't get better is just plain false.
Wisconsin- best years under Barry were when Donny was an assistant.
Michigan - was trending towards bottom of B10 before Donny, he is there three years and now top 5 in B10 and they are loaded with lots of underclassmen.
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
One thing in common at each stop is Donny. Not to admit it is being obtuse.
I know Barry and Donny had a huge falling out and no matter what side you pick one has to admit Donny has a positive influence everywhere he goes.
The season after Donny left we finished last in the Big Ten. None of his recruits other than Cody Caldwell would have wrestled for the Badgers that year, and Caldwell would have redshirted. I think it is also fair to say Pritzlaff contributed to the lack of depth we had on that team. Ben Jordan, Cole Schmitt, and Cole Tobin were the only National Qualifiers. To pretend everything he did was great is also false.
The overall depth we have on this year's roster in another Olympic year 4 years later is much stronger.
Where does he say everything Donny did was great?
Quote from: Brett Favre on January 10, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
Hammen, don't comment about Donny. Remember, you're still in love with Barry
It's ok for Hammen to Hijack a thread, but heaven's don't say anything he doesn't agree with.
Quote from: The Angry Fish on January 10, 2016, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on January 10, 2016, 02:41:35 PM
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
I think a lot of people attribute where MI is now partially to Donny. That program was on a downturn and now they have group of good young wrestlers. You can't use results from his first year there it takes 2-3 years to build something up.
I guess you can look at a guys first year at a program and say see the results aren't good and statistically you are right. Even though every knows his recruits and wrestlers have not hit the lineup yet.
I am not a Donny lover and don't really care where he coaches. But to say everywhere he goes those programs don't get better is just plain false.
Wisconsin- best years under Barry were when Donny was an assistant.
Michigan - was trending towards bottom of B10 before Donny, he is there three years and now top 5 in B10 and they are loaded with lots of underclassmen.
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
One thing in common at each stop is Donny. Not to admit it is being obtuse.
I know Barry and Donny had a huge falling out and no matter what side you pick one has to admit Donny has a positive influence everywhere he goes.
The season after Donny left we finished last in the Big Ten. None of his recruits other than Cody Caldwell would have wrestled for the Badgers that year, and Caldwell would have redshirted. I think it is also fair to say Pritzlaff contributed to the lack of depth we had on that team. Ben Jordan, Cole Schmitt, and Cole Tobin were the only National Qualifiers. To pretend everything he did was great is also false.
The overall depth we have on this year's roster in another Olympic year 4 years later is much stronger.
Howe and Rutt transferred/defected. Kinda blows up your theory doesn't it. McCauley bailed also. Why did these wrestlers make that decision? Because DP was no longer part of the program.
We all know who stayed/who left, etc. Compare the rosters for the 2011-12 season and the 2015-16 season. Pritzlaff played a big part of not recruiting enough depth.
Quote from: The Angry Fish on January 10, 2016, 03:39:39 PM
Lol @ Wisconsin wrestling fan attempting to discredit St. Donny.
And congratulations to you for discrediting Barry, Trevor, and Kyle every chance you get and being a consistent negative voice.
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on January 10, 2016, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: Brett Favre on January 10, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
Hammen, don't comment about Donny. Remember, you're still in love with Barry
It's ok for Hammen to Hijack a thread, but heaven's don't say anything he doesn't agree with.
The topic is about Donny. Someone is a little butt hurt for getting called out.
Quote from: hammen on January 10, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on January 10, 2016, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: Brett Favre on January 10, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
Hammen, don't comment about Donny. Remember, you're still in love with Barry
It's ok for Hammen to Hijack a thread, but heaven's don't say anything he doesn't agree with.
The topic is about Donny. Someone is a little butt hurt for getting called out.
Nope not at all, 4 some reason you think this is your personal forum, I will continue to call it as I see it and call you out when you do exactly the same things other poster do but for some reason it is ok 4 you
I called you out for being off topic. I discussed Donny in these posts, which evidently is the topic. Interesting concept, staying on topic. Now you're getting me off topic like a troll. Now to get back on. Donny is a good dude.
Never been a troll. Yes he is and I am sure plenty of former BD athletes think BD is as well, I am entitled to my opinion as well.
I am done with this bantering, good luck to all the Badgers this year!!
Quote from: The Angry Fish on January 10, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on January 10, 2016, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: The Angry Fish on January 10, 2016, 03:39:39 PM
Lol @ Wisconsin wrestling fan attempting to discredit St. Donny.
And congratulations to you for discrediting Barry, Trevor, and Kyle every chance you get and being a consistent negative voice.
I have actual facts Amigo? Facts that support the Badgers under Davis, as being mediocre at best. Facts also support St.Donny as being one heck of an assistant coach. Again, we both want the same thing. I get it. Your pals with good ole' Uncle Barry. I have no such relationship with the man. Therefore I judge his job performance based on actual data that exists. Not how I feel for him personally. Donny Pritzlaff is a heck of a coach. You're attempt to discredit his accomplishments are beneath you.
We both know the facts. We clearly disagree on the interpretation of those facts ! ;D
Wi wrestling fan. You say this years team has depth. What the heck are you talking about.
Most of our starters will finish in the bottom half of the big ten which means their backups would finish even lower.
The only depth this team has is how close to the bottom they will finish. They will be deep in the standings
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on January 10, 2016, 03:41:59 PM
We all know who stayed/who left, etc. Compare the rosters for the 2011-12 season and the 2015-16 season. Pritzlaff played a big part of not recruiting enough depth.
What? Not enough depth?
The 2011-12 team results without Howe, Rutt, and Graff on ORS, also one of the top recruiting classes in the country was signed to redshirt that year WITH A PLAN for a 2012-13 NCAA trophy run. Of course this did not happen since DP departed. Almost that whole recruiting class never came. Bo Jordan even mentioned last year that Wisconsin was the plan for the Jordans now at Ohio State as well until the DP fallout.
2015-16 Medberry and JT on ORS (not nearly as many NCAA points sitting out as 4 years earlier).
As far as 2015-16 compared to four years ago, both cycles now have Olympic redshirts wrestlers that don't return to wrestle for the Badgers.
Every program DP has been associated with has improved by a wide margin within a few years of his arrival. The numbers don't lie. It might not be all DP but with a three college program track record developing, pretty sure this is something about DP's ability to recruit and coach. Don't see how DP is anything but an asset for any D1 wrestling program. But as others have pointed out, what could have been did not and will not happen with DP. We can just hope the Badgers get back to that level at some point in the future. When the Wicks finally wear the W (assume they redshirt next year), there will not be Taylor, Jordan, and Medbery on the team so I think there is some big holes to fill yet.
Quote from: Brett Favre on January 10, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
Wi wrestling fan. You say this years team has depth. What the heck are you talking about.
Most of our starters will finish in the bottom half of the big ten which means their backups would finish even lower.
The only depth this team has is how close to the bottom they will finish. They will be deep in the standings
We scored 9 points at the Big Ten tournament the year after Donny Pritzlaff left.
When Pritzlaff was at Wisconsin the team was visible better.
If you went to the wrestling matches in person, there was no doubt the team
was vastly better with him there.
It was a huge blow for Wisconsin to see him go, short term and long term and
a darn shame for the current guys on the team to miss out on his coaching.
Circle the Rutgers match on the calendar.
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
Why would you not expect Rutgers to be really good? As soon as they announced they were coming to the Big Ten I expected them to have a nice surge. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York are HS wrestling hot beds and Rutgers is located in a very good spot.
As far as Donny, I know him a little bit and I think he is great guy. His passion for the sport and the athletes he coaches is fantastic and great for the sport. However the question does have to be asked of why does he continues to make lateral moves. If I am not mistaken did he not go to MI to be the head coach in waiting? If so why was he only there for 3 years? Is it possible that he wears out his welcome with the head coach and the administration? I do not know the answer I am just asking the question.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on January 10, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
Why would you not expect Rutgers to be really good? As soon as they announced they were coming to the Big Ten I expected them to have a nice surge. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York are HS wrestling hot beds and Rutgers is located in a very good spot.
As far as Donny, I know him a little bit and I think he is great guy. His passion for the sport and the athletes he coaches is fantastic and great for the sport. However the question does have to be asked of why does he continues to make lateral moves. If I am not mistaken did he not go to MI to be the head coach in waiting? If so why was he only there for 3 years? Is it possible that he wears out his welcome with the head coach and the administration? I do not know the answer I am just asking the question.
Did you read the article.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on January 10, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
As far as Donny, I know him a little bit and I think he is great guy. His passion for the sport and the athletes he coaches is fantastic and great for the sport. However the question does have to be asked of why does he continues to make lateral moves. If I am not mistaken did he not go to MI to be the head coach in waiting? If so why was he only there for 3 years? Is it possible that he wears out his welcome with the head coach and the administration? I do not know the answer I am just asking the question.
Good question. I sure don't know the answer. We should know the answer in the next 3-4 years.
I'll guess Donny stays at Rutgers unless another school makes a huge offer for him to be a head coach.
Maybe Donny is more happy on the east coast. Maybe he stays there longer.
Good luck to Donny.
Quote from: leg turk on January 10, 2016, 09:12:17 PM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on January 10, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
Why would you not expect Rutgers to be really good? As soon as they announced they were coming to the Big Ten I expected them to have a nice surge. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York are HS wrestling hot beds and Rutgers is located in a very good spot.
As far as Donny, I know him a little bit and I think he is great guy. His passion for the sport and the athletes he coaches is fantastic and great for the sport. However the question does have to be asked of why does he continues to make lateral moves. If I am not mistaken did he not go to MI to be the head coach in waiting? If so why was he only there for 3 years? Is it possible that he wears out his welcome with the head coach and the administration? I do not know the answer I am just asking the question.
Did you read the article.
I did
A lot of talk about depth? Can you really have depth, especially if your starting ten are not ranked? If you have one good guy at each wait and then you have red shirts to replace seniors and recruit to replace juniors, isn't that about all you can do? That is why it is nice to get WI kids to come and be able to step in when/where you need them.
Quote from: vsmf2010 on January 10, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
Why would you not expect Rutgers to be really good? As soon as they announced they were coming to the Big Ten I expected them to have a nice surge. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York are HS wrestling hot beds and Rutgers is located in a very good spot.
As far as Donny, I know him a little bit and I think he is great guy. His passion for the sport and the athletes he coaches is fantastic and great for the sport. However the question does have to be asked of why does he continues to make lateral moves. If I am not mistaken did he not go to MI to be the head coach in waiting? If so why was he only there for 3 years? Is it possible that he wears out his welcome with the head coach and the administration? I do not know the answer I am just asking the question.
What makes you think joining the B10 would automatically send them on a rise? It has not done much for Maryland. Indiana, Purdue, and MSU have been in the B10 forever and most years would not compete in the MAC. That talent has always been there but had not been taken advantage of til recently. I don't think it has anything to do with joining the B10. Plenty of East coast teams are competitive and not in the B10.
I have no idea why he only stays 3 years and leaves and honestly don't care. I was just pointing out that he makes programs better. WI finished last in B10 when he left because all his recruits also left.
Hammer, I do agree SB has helped MI and it was not all DP.
Quote from: Micah on January 11, 2016, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on January 10, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
Why would you not expect Rutgers to be really good? As soon as they announced they were coming to the Big Ten I expected them to have a nice surge. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York are HS wrestling hot beds and Rutgers is located in a very good spot.
As far as Donny, I know him a little bit and I think he is great guy. His passion for the sport and the athletes he coaches is fantastic and great for the sport. However the question does have to be asked of why does he continues to make lateral moves. If I am not mistaken did he not go to MI to be the head coach in waiting? If so why was he only there for 3 years? Is it possible that he wears out his welcome with the head coach and the administration? I do not know the answer I am just asking the question.
What makes you think joining the B10 would automatically send them on a rise? It has not done much for Maryland. Indiana, Purdue, and MSU have been in the B10 forever and most years would not compete in the MAC. That talent has always been there but had not been taken advantage of til recently. I don't think it has anything to do with joining the B10. Plenty of East coast teams are competitive and not in the B10.
I have no idea why he only stays 3 years and leaves and honestly don't care. I was just pointing out that he makes programs better. WI finished last in B10 when he left because all his recruits also left.
Hammer, I do agree SB has helped MI and it was not all DP.
To reiterate, the only recruit that left that could have wrestled the year after DP was Cody Caldwell. And he would have redshirted. The Olympic redshirts and Olympic Training Center attendees were not on the roster that year.
Quote from: Micah on January 11, 2016, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on January 10, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: Micah on January 10, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
Rutgers - never thought I would see the day they would be ranked ahead of WI. Now they are on a meteoric rise.
Why would you not expect Rutgers to be really good? As soon as they announced they were coming to the Big Ten I expected them to have a nice surge. Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York are HS wrestling hot beds and Rutgers is located in a very good spot.
As far as Donny, I know him a little bit and I think he is great guy. His passion for the sport and the athletes he coaches is fantastic and great for the sport. However the question does have to be asked of why does he continues to make lateral moves. If I am not mistaken did he not go to MI to be the head coach in waiting? If so why was he only there for 3 years? Is it possible that he wears out his welcome with the head coach and the administration? I do not know the answer I am just asking the question.
What makes you think joining the B10 would automatically send them on a rise? It has not done much for Maryland. Indiana, Purdue, and MSU have been in the B10 forever and most years would not compete in the MAC. That talent has always been there but had not been taken advantage of til recently. I don't think it has anything to do with joining the B10. Plenty of East coast teams are competitive and not in the B10.
I have no idea why he only stays 3 years and leaves and honestly don't care. I was just pointing out that he makes programs better. WI finished last in B10 when he left because all his recruits also left.
Hammer, I do agree SB has helped MI and it was not all DP.
As I stated because of their location and joining the big ten I expected them to make a really nice surge. Tons of talent right in their back yard. Proximity to talent and joining the best wrestling conference seemed to me like a recipe to be really good.
I think conference affiliation has a lot less to do with it and more about the coaching. PSU was in the B10 under Sunderland and were just a little better than the Badgers are now. Fire him bring in Cael and boom PSU starts wrecking people. All about the coaching.
EIWA is a good conference and could compete with B10. I don't think the conference a team competes in is that big of a difference maker for a recruit. If it was there would not be 3 MAC teams ranked ahead of WI.
I think it could help if a program is suddenly given more money and better facilities due to conference affiliation. But we are talking wrestling here and we all know how athletic depts. like to give wrestling money.
Bourmet was a big reason why Donny came to UW.
Did Hammen just say that Barry is NOT the only reason wrestlers go to UW
Prtizlaff was going home, that's why he went to Rutgers. Michigan move was probably just to get the heck out of Madison and they had a job opening.
How much influence did Jared Fryar have in the room? I keep hearing everything about Donny but nothing about Fryar. Didn't Fryar set up and run most of the practices? Asking anyone who might have some information on this. Hammen?